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[rayson56]

i found the interesting part to be where he calls the stock dunlop, the 'american elite'.  two different tires, two different tread patterns.  i would have like a direct comparison on the actual american elite vs the michelin, as opposed to the stock dunlop vs michelin.

Yeah he is clearly comparing Michelins with the current D407s and D408s and not the American Elites, but in the video that is made pretty obvious.

[J.D.]

Last thing you'd want is a radial tire LOL.

My rear Avon was worn out at 12k.  It ran and wore well, but just didn't last.  I'll surely get more miles out of the Michelin based on the current mileage vs wear, likely 15k or more.

[longlast]

Yeah he is clearly comparing Michelins with the current D407s and D408s and not the American Elites, but in the video that is made pretty obvious.

Well I'm not an aggressive rider and my Dunlops would slip in the wet it made me nervous on the leaning when in wet weather.
I think he was saying the American Elites are a better weather and aggressive tyre but lower mileage than the Commander 2's

He also said he wouldn't ride the Michelins in wet like he would with Dunlops yet he says the Michelins tread design is great for displacing water in wet weather. Not putting him down or anything but he kind of comes across like a fast talking smooth pitching telemarketer salesman

[skratch]

see, that's the thing.  he was talking about the 'wet weather' performance of the dunlops vs the wet weather performance of the c2's, but he was obviously talking about the stock dunlops.  so if he can't get the name of the tire correct, how much stock can you put in the rest of his 'opinion'?

and yes, it was obvious that he was talking about the stock tires.  but, what i, and probably many others, would like to know, is how do the michelins stack up against the american elites.  that would be something i would care about.  not compared to stock.

[iski]

MC magazines & product reviewers have a very long history of this. Goes back to when I was a kid riding dirt bikes and probably farther than that.  Compare apples to oranges & then claim one is better than the other because. 

[fastfreddy]

im on my third C2 in 20k miles (rear)  ...first one took a 5/16 bolt at 9k , next one cracked, about 2 inch long to me it looked to be where the two compounds are bonded. it had 10k on it and lots of tread and very little cupping on both. had 16k on the front, it started to cup. so I think they will run longer than the Dunlop's and they don't make much noise when they start cupping like the Dunlop's. for me the Dunlop's are a better wet tire.... just me 2 cents your result may vary   PS they both handle great on hot dry pavement, have pipes  and pegs all ground up on both sides of the bike to prove it 

[ScottAL]

Pretty much agree with FastFreddy. I typically get 18-20k miles from the stock Dunlops. I tried the Commander II's once and was not happy with wet traction, otherwise a good tire.

[skratch]

i've got 23k on this set of american elites, still lot of tread left.  think i'll change them in the spring.  i think i'm just gonna stop looking for the greener grass and stick with what i know works.  i get good mileage out of the elites, we weather performance has never let me down, and they are definitely available for a good price.

[longlast]

The Elites being a tyre that suits an aggressive riding style in turn sacrificing mileage and is also suited for aggressive handling in wet conditions.
(I did notice in the video when he was saying he wouldn't think of doing the aggressive type cone riding in the wet with any other tyre,...they didn't show the cone manoeuvring being preform in the wet only a very quick flash of straight wet riding.)

Then the Commander 2's being praised for its handling in wet conditions and higher mileage but not so good for the aggressive rider.
(Yet in the video he says they're not so good in the wet) I'd assume he's being paid for the promotion of the Elites.

It would go to reason if the Elites are cracked up to all that they say then for those none aggressive riders the Elites should have a good mileage life.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Pretty much agree with FastFreddy. I typically get 18-20k miles from the stock Dunlops. I tried the Commander II's once and was not happy with wet traction, otherwise a good tire.

I use to get that out of the Stock Dunlops, until my 17 CVO Street Glide, rear worn out at 13,000 miles.  Second rear shot at 12000 miles.  My 18 CVO Road glide the rear made it 12,500 miles and the second was 12,000 miles.  Not sure what changed, as it was supposedly the same tire on the 09, the 12, the 13 and the 15.  All of which I was close to 20K miles on the rear.

i've got 23k on this set of american elites, still lot of tread left.  think i'll change them in the spring.  i think i'm just gonna stop looking for the greener grass and stick with what i know works.  i get good mileage out of the elites, we weather performance has never let me down, and they are definitely available for a good price.

I just put an elite on the back of my 13 CVO King.  Going to find out how it does,  Was panning on putting on on my 18 CVO Road glide, but just traded it.