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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2018, 09:14:27 PM »

Mne was.009 and .011 in the hole, fixed that real quick

I'll see that .009 and .011 and raise you a .008 and a .012... :bananarock:
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2018, 01:22:17 PM »

I'll see that .009 and .011 and raise you a .008 and a .012... :bananarock:

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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2018, 04:18:16 PM »

KB has some nice forged pistons now for the 117 and 110 bolt on and it allows honing +.001 to achieve clearance. Trues them right up plus with a small dome adds compression to help.
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2018, 06:07:04 PM »

Quality pistons. I switched to KB a while ago. They have pistons for just about anything you could want.  ;)
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2018, 04:54:46 PM »

Just had my 2016 limited fitted with SE 585 cams, lifters and adjustable push rods, dyno'd at 110hp and 130tq, very happy with results.
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2018, 09:44:45 AM »

That is an unusually high result. Was the correction factor SAE? Can you post the sheet?
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2018, 02:39:24 PM »

I guess I should have mentioned that it has Fullsac DX header, RC 4" mufflers and KN air filter, I had posted on earlier post. But will post dyno sheet when I get back in town.
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2018, 02:41:49 PM »

Oh it's tuned with the now illegal SE race tuner
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2019, 04:20:03 PM »

Forgot about posting my dyno sheet
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2019, 10:09:10 AM »

So there is another approach that will net you the same or more torque even down low and about 125/130. Use the kit cam, 259E, and fix the squish, zero deck, head work. Use a pipe that is conducive to power and torque and a custom tune with a flash tuner. The 259E is not my favorite but does OK when the compression is as it should be with this 46° intake close.  Want a little more torque and power, advance it 4°.
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2019, 10:57:43 AM »

Certainly nothing wrong with 259 cams if you want to correct the insufficient compression of the 117 kit. Personally, i didn't want to up the compression and decided to change out the cam in the kit instead. For my riding style, i have more than enough power now and compression is a mild 9.93:1
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2019, 03:58:54 PM »

Is it worth the expense though? My stock block 110 makes 105/110 with less than the best cam change, andrews 54, a pipe and tune. Comes on right off idle, a function of the pipe, fulsack dx with 2.0 baffles. The compression number is relative to the intake close. Many guys set on a compression limit number then build around that. Not my approach but not saying their method won't get them down the road and is horribly wrong. My opinion is, if modified, I want to be at the 1hp and tq  per cube or more or I  don't bother, on my own bike.
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2019, 01:22:05 AM »

Is it worth the expense though? My stock block 110 makes 105/110 with less than the best cam change, andrews 54, a pipe and tune. Comes on right off idle, a function of the pipe, fulsack dx with 2.0 baffles. The compression number is relative to the intake close. Many guys set on a compression limit number then build around that. Not my approach but not saying their method won't get them down the road and is horribly wrong. My opinion is, if modified, I want to be at the 1hp and tq  per cube or more or I  don't bother, on my own bike.

Only you can answer that for yourself. I have owned about a dozen or so Harleys and this is only my 2nd build. Most of them I did a Stage 1 and that was it. The first one I had built i did a high compression build with a horsepower cam and heads and got tired of the hard starting, compression releases, soft bottom end and high strung feeling when idling around. It was fun when I wanted to hot rod but most of my riding is country roads and weekend trips. If I am being completely honest I would say no, the cost of a build is not worth it. There are diminishing returns and it doesn't take a 117 to  enjoy the scenery and the ride. I could do the same rides on my 88s. So, if value or money is an issue don't do a build. Its money you wont get back and largely an extravagance. Having said that, I would do it again. I have the coin and don't mind the extravagance of it. I would not do another high compression build on a twin cam or a high HP cam. I didn't enjoy riding it nearly as much and the noisy top end got on my nerves. YMMV
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2019, 08:02:49 AM »

I'm considering this kit for my CVO Breakout and was wondering if there are any additional parts / gaskets that will be required that don't come with the kit??  Considering a local indy doing it to possibly save some cash on the install but want to make sure I am supplying all the components..
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Re: 110 t0 117 259 Cam vs 585 Cam
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2019, 08:52:32 AM »

I'm considering this kit for my CVO Breakout and was wondering if there are any additional parts / gaskets that will be required that don't come with the kit??  Considering a local indy doing it to possibly save some cash on the install but want to make sure I am supplying all the components..

The kit includes all gaskets and everything you need. The problem is the cams that come in the kit are not optimum for the compression and you end up with a soft bottom...right where you ride. Thats why a lot of guys, me included, swapped the cams out of the kit for a little less cam. I ended up selling the new 259s that came with the kit and all my 110 parts that were replaced. You will need a tuner and exhaust setup...those aren't included.

As far as labor for the install, my dealer was running a wintertime special and did the install and tune for $600 labor. He also knocked 20% off the kit price. My point is don't assume your indy is less expensive...some small dealers have excellent wintertime specials.

Good luck...please keep us posted.
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