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Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on May 18, 2006, 12:52:51 AM
Starting a new thread for Dyno runs on the FLHTCUSE..Those that have had yours done post them here.


Posting this one for SanJoseDuke. (Freedom FCC9 cams, PCIII, Stage 1 AC, Freedom Exhaust)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: thehaze on May 18, 2006, 06:47:54 PM
At the risk of sounding uninformed, can someone help explain what I'm looking at with the dyno sheets?  I know it is showing torque and HP but am not sure how to read the graph.  Thanks  :-/
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 2up on May 31, 2006, 05:35:28 PM
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At the risk of sounding uninformed, can someone help explain what I'm looking at with the dyno sheets?  I know it is showing torque and HP but am not sure how to read the graph.  Thanks  :-/
Great article in July American Iron magazine on Dyno tuning and how the numbers can be manipulated by crooked tuners
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: twincam on June 25, 2006, 08:09:34 PM
93 hp 100 torque
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: magicl1 on June 28, 2006, 10:59:00 AM
Super Trapp 2:1, SE Air & SERT.  Can't post the scan (too big?) so you will need to open the Word Doc attached with scan inserted.
[highlight]97 HP and 99.5 TQ.[/highlight]

My original baseline (performed by dealer) before the Pipes and Air Cleaner were added was 87.2 Max HP and 90.4 Max TQ.
Max TQ range is now starting a little lower around 3300+ RPM vs 4200+ before the mods.  
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on July 13, 2006, 12:46:16 AM
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H-D
Running into some major problem getting my 06 SCUC dialed in with my new Freedom pipes, Power Commander and Air Filter Kit.
My dealer has installed everything and followed all the instructions, on the dyno the bike is only pulling 1 to 2 hp & tq over stock.
Called Freedom discussed events with Brad.
A second Power Commander was over nighted and still the same numbers.
Once again discussed all the installation with Brad at Freedom and everything is installed and dialed to Freedoms specs.
Bike pulls hard in 1st, 2nd & 3rd gear, then falls on its nose when the 4th gear pull is attempted.    
Any ideas ?
This is driving me crazy      
Thanks  

The first thing that comes to mind is the engine may be wet sumped. If the oil pump is going south or there is a tear in the pump o-ring it can cause the pump not to pull the excess oil from the case. This would create a low power situation.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on July 21, 2006, 09:33:06 AM
dyno results: SERT, SE AC, V&H oval slip ons
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Mike103 on July 25, 2006, 10:33:02 PM
S&S SPO slip on mufflers, Stage 1 download, PCIII, Stage 1 AC

96.2 HP, 97.47 Torque.  Smooth and reasonably quiet.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Doobie on August 01, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
Rienhart true duals and racetuner. 103hp.   108 tq.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on August 02, 2006, 04:36:11 PM
Here are my dyno results with D and D Fatcats with Ghost Pipe, SERT, and K & N high flow filter.  I'm pleased with the results considering that I've had no engine work (cams, heads, etc.).
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on August 02, 2006, 04:41:50 PM
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Here are my dyno results with D and D Fatcats with Ghost Pipe, SERT, and K & N high flow filter.  I'm pleased with the results considering that I've had no engine work (cams, heads, etc.).
As you should be those are nice numbers and should feel really nice when you twist the throttle. :)

 [smiley=pumpkin.gif]
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 [smiley=fireman.gif]
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on August 02, 2006, 04:52:32 PM
I'm not sure why, but I didn'n know if I'd break into triple digits.  I was sort of hoping for high 90's.  
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on August 02, 2006, 05:47:20 PM
Posting this for CigarMike; He had his tune done at RC Cycles yesterday.
Mods are stage 1 AC, Freedom Pipes, PCIII with rev extend
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: GC_Super on August 03, 2006, 08:56:22 AM
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Posting this for CigarMike; He had his tune done at RC Cycles yesterday.
Mods are stage 1 AC, Freedom Pipes, PCIII with rev extend

Not to be negative here, just a comment. After reading the article in AIM about all the dyno do's and dont's, on Mikes bike, they used the first run for the baseline. The article warns that a lot of dyno operators use that first run to make thier improvements look better as a warmed up bike would produce a better base line after 4 or 5 runs. As much as 4 to 6 hp.  Still good final numbers though.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on August 03, 2006, 10:11:43 AM
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Not to be negative here, just a comment. After reading the article in AIM about all the dyno do's and dont's, on Mikes bike, they used the first run for the baseline. The article warns that a lot of dyno operators use that first run to make thier improvements look better as a warmed up bike would produce a better base line after 4 or 5 runs. As much as 4 to 6 hp.  Still good final numbers though.

You are correct however, that was only the first "recorded" run. The dyno operator (Bob)does 3-4 "pulls" on the dyno to get the bike up to temp. If he had recorded each pull the "baseline" run number would be a higher number. You can't just go by the run number.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: cigarmike on August 03, 2006, 11:00:33 AM
That is true, the first run numbers were much lower then what is posted, the first run you se posted on the chart, was done when bike was warmed up. He explained everything as he went, he was most anal, and spent over 2 hours tweaking it till it was just right at all levels. At 1 point in the dyno, my numbers were higher, but not consistent in 4 to 5 runs, the final numbers you see posted, he did 4 runs in a row, and they all were identical. Whatever my numbers are, the bike is running like melted butter now compared to before, Im most happy.....except I want the '07 with the 110 too now.  :)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: GC_Super on August 03, 2006, 11:49:41 AM
Mike, sounds like you got a pretty good dyno guy.  Wished I could say the same.  I wasn't present when they did mine and my numbers are lower than most.  I talked to them prior to the tuning and he mentioned how much they didn't like V&H true duals,  and guess what I have on mine. It does run good though and when I hear of a good, competent tuner around here I'll probably re do it.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: michael06se on September 05, 2006, 07:26:17 PM
my dyno numbers are 106 hp 116tq this was done with a race tuner v-h 2 into1 air cleaner and new cams to match the way harley originally desingned the moter most dont know it was designed to have a dome top piston but changed there thought of compression problems and went to a flat top piston leaving the same cam so by putting in a smaller duration cam i went from 100hp and 105 tq before cam change to 106hp and 116tq what a difference but still have a moter as dependable as stock :)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: GC_Super on September 06, 2006, 10:55:34 AM
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my dyno numbers are 106 hp 116tq this was done with a race tuner v-h 2 into1 air cleaner and new cams to match the way harley originally desingned the moter most dont know it was designed to have a dome top piston but changed there thought of compression problems and went to a flat top piston leaving the same cam so by putting in a smaller duration cam i went from 100hp and 105 tq before cam change to 106hp and 116tq what a difference but still have a moter as dependable as stock :)

Those are great numbers for sure. What cam did you use and what is your cranking comp and comp ratio?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: michael06se on September 06, 2006, 08:49:06 PM
i used a redshift 575 with s&s geardrive to eliminate chain and shoe. like i said i did not do anything with comp its stock it might build some dynamic comp but none at starting to even speak of it really makes a big differece especialy the torq gain with such a heavy bike
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Cerdo on September 26, 2006, 10:45:22 AM
 [smiley=worthless.gif]  Had my pure stock 2007 FLHTCUSE-2 on a dyno at a dealer party lat week. Pulled 82.3 HP; however, thay did not give a print out nor the torque number. What do you expect for free.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: kbiforce on October 01, 2006, 10:24:30 PM
michael06se, Would you post a copy of your dyno sheet? Thanks.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hawgwash on October 02, 2006, 01:15:36 AM
SE 2:1 pipes, SEAC, SERT
HP 91.66 & torque 93.58
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on October 10, 2006, 07:13:41 PM
THIS BIKE HAS SE AIRCLEANER,KERKER SUPER TRAP MUFFLERS,PRO TUNNER
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on October 10, 2006, 09:18:23 PM
JDO;
Good looking torque curve, That's the first i've seen of an 07

(PS, I resized and rotated the pic for you)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JOYRDZ on October 14, 2006, 02:41:22 AM
Hey JDOFLHRIDER- As the proud owner of a brand new Blue 07 Screamin Eagle Ultra, I've been looking for a pipe/air cleaner/ECU tuner to open it up a little, and it looks like you've got the perfect combo- you've got some great numbers. Can you tell me more about the muffers (slip-on?, part number?) and the 'Pro Tuner' (is this Harley, what is the part number?).

I would also like to know if you like the sound of the pipes- are they loud enough, not loud enough, too loud- would you buy the same ones again?

I'm really jazzed about the numbes you got- I hope to be at the same place in a couple of weeks!

P.S. This is my first post- Hi everybody!

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: jeffj on October 14, 2006, 10:02:10 AM
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Hey JDOFLHRIDER- As the proud owner of a brand new Blue 07 Screamin Eagle Ultra, I've been looking for a pipe/air cleaner/ECU tuner to open it up a little, and it looks like you've got the perfect combo- you've got some great numbers. Can you tell me more about the muffers (slip-on?, part number?) and the 'Pro Tuner' (is this Harley, what is the part number?).

I would also like to know if you like the sound of the pipes- are they loud enough, not loud enough, too loud- would you buy the same ones again?

I'm really jazzed about the numbes you got- I hope to be at the same place in a couple of weeks!

P.S. This is my first post- Hi everybody!


Welocme to the site Jman

Take a look at the Freedom Exhaust package as the may be ready for the 2007 Cuse's
Here is the link  http://www.dynasite.net/dynaweb/1000441/explore.cfm?p=N&store=Y&U=1&SS=1&S=1000441
and phone # (775) 358-3500 - Reno NV
Ask for Brad (good guy) and I am sure he can hook you up

jeffj
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: ultraboy on October 16, 2006, 05:16:47 PM
2006 CUSE

First attempt at 100 ft-lbf at rear wheel:

SE slip-ons, SE high flow, SERT.
Disappointing, 82hp / 90.88 ft-lbf. The sound was somewhat better and the power was useable in that 2500 and 4000 range. The constant "tinging" sound, like a small chain dragging behind the bike was somewhat annoying though.

Then...the race...then more changes...

Installed Rinehart true duals, raced tuned again, then I get a respectable 95 hp / 96 ft-lbf. But all the peak power is between 4500 and 5500 rpm. It's not real world useable, except for hard riding, like this past weekend on the Dragon. The "tinging" was gone, but a rattle has started.

The bottom end power from idle up to 2000 in first gear is almost non-existant. It's so bad that my clutch is heating up in traffic and shuttering, and burning, but not slipping -- yet. Before the Rineharts I never had this problem.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed in the Rineharts. I installed then myself and had them on in about 2 hours, but the rear cylinder pipe is so close to the clutch cover (3/16") clearance that all the exhaust pipe heat next to the chrome clutch cover, and the clutch concerns me. The lack of bottom-end power is disappointing, but they look GREAT, and the bike runs hard between 3500 and 4500 rpm, then it runs real STRONG between 4500 and 5500 rpm. It's set up great for a high bank oval! LOL or those 70 mph roll-on drag races on the interstate with riding buddies, or with my wife who jumped on me 4 weeks ago, (while running the SE setup) with the whole crew riding behind us, with her race tuned softail Deluxe at 80 mph, and I couldn't pull away from her all the way up to 115 mph. That's when this whole Rinehart thing started. When your wife jumps on you in front of the whole gang, and your on a slight uphill grade so everyone behind you has a clear view of the race, and you can't pull away from her, well, your under a lot of pressure! Then when you look over and she won't look at you and you see a big grin on her face like "got-cha" and as you both back off,  you see her saying over and over again, "yes, yes, yes" as she blasts by, well, then you know that 83 hp and 90.88 ft-lbf ain't gonna cut it. Man, the ragging I took over that, was horrible, but the pride I had in her was awesome!

And to make matter worse, her new main bike is an 06 SE Fat Boy that has yet to be race tuned! So, heck, I'm under alot of pressure here!

So, anyway, I'm thinking about either...

a.) Removing the baffles in the Rineharts (I have to do that anyway to bend the tabs to stop the rattling sound) and installing a 1/2 inch stainless steel bolt at the front of the baffle to create some back pressure.

b.) Reinstalling the factory header pipes and useing the Rinehart slip ons.

c.) Race tuning it again, as is, and asking for more bottom end power --if possible. The lack of bottom end almost feels like a timing issue.

I'm told (haven't measured yet) that the HD stock header pipes are larger in diameter than the Rineharts so they flow better right out of the engine. I do know that the cross-over tube on the stock header pipes creates the much needed back pressure for torque, and the stock header pipes clear the clutch cover by and inch or so. An engine builder told me that Rinehart's mythic performance drops off as the cubic inches go up. He said that Rineharts perform great on the TC88, but not near as well on the 103 HD engines.

Has anyone else had the same bottom end issue with Rineharts????????????? Any clutch problems??????????
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: txbear55 on October 17, 2006, 12:19:17 AM
ultraboy,  I have an 06 with SERT, Zippers hi-flow A/C, and Rinehart slip-ons.  Got 94hp-99tq. No major tq dip down low vs stock, but the stock cams really do not like it much below 2500.  Probably need to get with Zippers or Freedom to really wake up the bottom end.  Oh yeah,  looks impressive with one black Rinehart tip and one purple one!  >:(
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: GC_Super on October 17, 2006, 07:52:53 AM
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2006 CUSE

First attempt at 100 ft-lbf at rear wheel:

SE slip-ons, SE high flow, SERT.
Disappointing, 82hp / 90.88 ft-lbf. The sound was somewhat better and the power was useable in that 2500 and 4000 range. The constant "tinging" sound, like a small chain dragging behind the bike was somewhat annoying though.

Then...the race...then more changes...

Installed Rinehart true duals, raced tuned again, then I get a respectable 95 hp / 96 ft-lbf. But all the peak power is between 4500 and 5500 rpm. It's not real world useable, except for hard riding, like this past weekend on the Dragon. The "tinging" was gone, but a rattle has started.

The bottom end power from idle up to 2000 in first gear is almost non-existant. It's so bad that my clutch is heating up in traffic and shuttering, and burning, but not slipping -- yet. Before the Rineharts I never had this problem.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed in the Rineharts. I installed then myself and had them on in about 2 hours, but the rear cylinder pipe is so close to the clutch cover (3/16") clearance that all the exhaust pipe heat next to the chrome clutch cover, and the clutch concerns me. The lack of bottom-end power is disappointing, but they look GREAT, and the bike runs hard between 3500 and 4500 rpm, then it runs real STRONG between 4500 and 5500 rpm. It's set up great for a high bank oval! LOL or those 70 mph roll-on drag races on the interstate with riding buddies, or with my wife who jumped on me 4 weeks ago, (while running the SE setup) with the whole crew riding behind us, with her race tuned softail Deluxe at 80 mph, and I couldn't pull away from her all the way up to 115 mph. That's when this whole Rinehart thing started. When your wife jumps on you in front of the whole gang, and your on a slight uphill grade so everyone behind you has a clear view of the race, and you can't pull away from her, well, your under a lot of pressure! Then when you look over and she won't look at you and you see a big grin on her face like "got-cha" and as you both back off,  you see her saying over and over again, "yes, yes, yes" as she blasts by, well, then you know that 83 hp and 90.88 ft-lbf ain't gonna cut it. Man, the ragging I took over that, was horrible, but the pride I had in her was awesome!

And to make matter worse, her new main bike is an 06 SE Fat Boy that has yet to be race tuned! So, heck, I'm under alot of pressure here!

So, anyway, I'm thinking about either...

a.) Removing the baffles in the Rineharts (I have to do that anyway to bend the tabs to stop the rattling sound) and installing a 1/2 inch stainless steel bolt at the front of the baffle to create some back pressure.

b.) Reinstalling the factory header pipes and useing the Rinehart slip ons.

c.) Race tuning it again, as is, and asking for more bottom end power --if possible. The lack of bottom end almost feels like a timing issue.

I'm told (haven't measured yet) that the HD stock header pipes are larger in diameter than the Rineharts so they flow better right out of the engine. I do know that the cross-over tube on the stock header pipes creates the much needed back pressure for torque, and the stock header pipes clear the clutch cover by and inch or so. An engine builder told me that Rinehart's mythic performance drops off as the cubic inches go up. He said that Rineharts perform great on the TC88, but not near as well on the 103 HD engines.

Has anyone else had the same bottom end issue with Rineharts????????????? Any clutch problems??????????

If you go through the numerous dyno sheets on these bikes, one constant is that for overall numbers, the Rinehart bikes produce the biggest numbers, but, you are correct that they don't shine below 3 or 4K RPM.  On my bike, I didn't want to go into the motor, at least not during the 2 yr warranty period, so I've opted for the 3.37 gearing to help this bike make what feels like more power in the lower rpm range. I've been very happy with this set up for one and two up touring in the mountains, and it climbs hills like a tractor from 2500 rpm up.  I just recently changed from V&H true duals to a 2 into 1  Fat Cat and gained 5% over the true duals. In stock form, these bikes will never win many races from low rpm roll ons. My riding buddy has a very well tuned SERG, Fat Cat, 95/203 cams, and he will win most drag races between us as he always gets the jump, but given a little more room, I pass him as his small cam plays out. So, my advice would be to gear it down and go with a 2 into one, or buy your wife a slower bike.  ;D
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: skyglide on October 17, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
Dyno run on 10-14-06 on my 07 Lighting cuse2. With D&D Fat cats,SE one piece air cleaner with K&N and SERT.110lbs trq at 3000 rpm and 94hp at 5300 rpm.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 110tHunDer on October 17, 2006, 07:57:45 PM
 
Wow!  Looks like there's some good power inside those 110's when you open them up and let 'em breathe a little!  Nice numbers! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: ultraboy on October 18, 2006, 04:41:20 PM
Skycuse,

You're kill'n me! YOU'RE KILL"N ME!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on October 24, 2006, 10:48:21 AM
I was going to leave this thread alone for a while, but i just cant.

Guys when you get the dyno sheets get them to post the Fuel Curve with the dyno run also ask for smoothing at 2 / 3 not 5.   There is one back on page 2 that is a horrid example of a professional tune you can look at the fuel curve which isnt flat and tell for yourselves which it is.  In other cases they are popping a pull at high 2k range only issue with that is that without a fuel curve you cant see what the effects are to your engine, such as super lean / overly rich.   I would also ask them when they feel they are finished with the tune to show you 3 to 4 pulls to show consistency of the dyno tune.

Please make sure they have the bike at operating temperature before they pull your baseline pull.  It is going to take a few to bring the temps up if they make a pull while your bike is cold the comparison is useless.  Also make sure you have 40 lbs of air in your rear tire not 50 not 35 .... this all plays into the numbers.

Also make sure if you have a 2 into 1 that they remove the muffler and put the sniffer up into each cylinder for testing.  The rear cylinder runs cooler than the front cylinder and if you have a 2 into 1 and only put the sniffer int he collector your not going to get the most out of the tune.

With True duals you should expect them to tune each cylinder independently with either race tuner or the power commander.

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: displacing air on October 24, 2006, 09:48:07 PM
Harry,,

I had no idea that you should pull the muffler for the 2n1 and put the sniffer up each pipe.

I know my dealer didnt do that when they dynoed the bike. My numbers where at 96tq and 96hp.  D&D fatcat,pc3 usb, and SE airfilter. I made them do it twice as the air to fuel was all over the place. After they tuned more I just said it was good enough for them. I plan to have it dynoed someday by someone better. I think Bumpus down near JR would be a good choice. I am thinking about adding the tc575 cams this winter.

Barry
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on October 27, 2006, 03:34:06 PM
Barry,

The cam is great as many on this site can attest.

The issue with not tuning each cyclinder is and you can pull your spark plugs right now and see a difference in them if your needing to prove it.  The rear will run cooler hence it needs to be tuned independently and if tuned right you can then put back on the muffler for your back pressure and get your final numbers.

Look at the spark plugs with a jewelers glass / magnifying glass :)

-harry
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JOYRDZ on October 30, 2006, 02:59:38 PM
Question for JDOFLHRIDER- Hi, I see you are thinking about the D&D Fatcat- what is you don't like about the Kerker/Supertrapp mufflers you already have? It looks like you've got great numbers with you setup now. I'm getting ready to buy mufflers or a pipe along with the AC and Racetuner and am just wondering which way to go- mufflers or Fatcat.

Thanks, Jeff 'Jman Ultra110'
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on October 30, 2006, 05:53:50 PM
I'M JUST CHECKING MY OPTIONS.WHEN I PUT MY MUFFLERS ON D AND D PIPES WEREN'T OUT YET.I LIKE THE SOUND OF MY MUFFLERS AND D AND SOUND ALSO .I JUST BEEN LOOKING TO SEE IF NUMBERS FROM D AND D'S ARE INCREASED ENOUGH TO CHANGE.RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS TO CLOSE TO CALL.MY LOCAL HD SHOP IS MOUNTING A SET OF BORZILLA'S ON A 110 THIS WEEK  SO THAT MIGHT ANSWER FAT CAT OR BORZILLA'S CHOICE.LOL         GOOD LUCK   JDOFLHRIDER
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PMG1 on October 30, 2006, 09:38:09 PM
We have a 2007 Ultra SE. According to my sheet which was done by Smokey Mountain Harley on a DynaJet system (9/14/2006) 88.07 hp, 103.69 max torque. That is with K&N Filters and SE Tuner, 1.75 Stage 1 Rush Pipes.  
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on November 03, 2006, 08:08:35 PM
PMG,

Are you sure they aren't just rush Mufflers (slip ons)?    
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on November 03, 2006, 08:10:11 PM
The borezilla will open up the pipe for WOT, but damn what a price to pay for it on a cruising bike you and anyone you ride with will be deaf and you will have to run the stereo at Full volume just to be able to hear it.   Not a  recommendation I would ever make except to get a dyno sheet for a test.

-harry
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JOYRDZ on November 08, 2006, 03:22:06 PM
Hey PMG1- How do you like the Rush Mufflers- sound, fit and finish?
I'm still deciding which mufflers to get for my 07 SEEG and I like the idea of different baffles like the Rush has- would you get the same ones again or maybe louder ones?

thanks, Jman Ultra110
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on November 18, 2006, 04:43:53 PM
I JUST RODE MY SE ULTRA HOME FROM GETTING D+D FAT CATS WITH THE HP BAFFLE 98.22 HP AND 113.36 TQ 3000 RPM.I ALSO HAVE A SE PRO TUNNER,AND AC
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: jfh on November 24, 2006, 05:48:46 PM
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I JUST RODE MY SE ULTRA HOME FROM GETTING D+D FAT CATS WITH THE HP BAFFLE 98.22 HP AND 113.36 TQ 3000 RPM.I ALSO HAVE A SE PRO TUNNER,AND AC

How is the sound of the D&Ds compared to your previous Kerker Slip-Ons?  Are the D&Ds significantly louder?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on November 24, 2006, 07:35:17 PM
I WOULD SAY THE SOUND IS DIFFERENT BOTH SOUND GOOD .I HAVE HAD KERKERS ON LAST 2 BIKES SO GETTING USED TO NEW SOUND IS LIL DIFFERENT.IF LOOKING FOR KERKERS I HAVE A PAIR WITH 4000 MILES ON THEN FOR SALE $250 PLUS SHIPPING.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: jfh on December 02, 2006, 09:51:30 AM
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I WOULD SAY THE SOUND IS DIFFERENT BOTH SOUND GOOD .I HAVE HAD KERKERS ON LAST 2 BIKES SO GETTING USED TO NEW SOUND IS LIL DIFFERENT.IF LOOKING FOR KERKERS I HAVE A PAIR WITH 4000 MILES ON THEN FOR SALE $250 PLUS SHIPPING.

JDOFLHRIDER - I may be interested. I'll PM you with my email address for pics of the Kerkers.

Thanks
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Rhino on December 07, 2006, 07:19:57 PM
Dyno Dun.   Stock FLHTCUSE2, except, RT, AC, Sampson Rolled Slip Ons...
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on December 17, 2006, 09:34:14 PM
Has anyone had a stock '07 SE dyno tested?  The HD literature claims 115 on the torque at 3000 RPM.  I'm seeing that folks have added, pipes, filters, tuners, etc. just to get less than 110 ft. lbs.  What's the story here?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on December 17, 2006, 09:48:01 PM
Where are you referencing, are the referencing Crank or Rear wheel?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 110tHunDer on December 17, 2006, 09:49:41 PM
 
Numbers that H-D quotes are always at the crank.

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on December 18, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
What kind of drives losses would you normally expect from the crank to the rear wheel?  Is it greater than 10%?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on December 18, 2006, 05:13:26 PM
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What kind of drives losses would you normally expect from the crank to the rear wheel?  Is it greater than 10%?
Found a couple of posts that speak of this...

16G shotgun mufflers for 06 SEVROD (http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1151554303/17#17)

Horsepower and torque (http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1148719289/3#3)

120 HP ? (http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1136594283/34#34)

The above threads were found using "crank hp rear wheel hp" as the search criteria (searching all threads/all posts). There were some others if you wish to use that search criteria.

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Ride Safe,
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Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on December 19, 2006, 02:02:31 PM
Thanks Fired00d!  Good info!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on December 19, 2006, 04:40:23 PM
WELL I'M SORRY THIS HAS SPEED ON IT INSTEAD OF RPM .I WASN'T LOOKING WHEN SERVICE MGR PRINTED IT UP.THIS 07 SEUC HAS D-D FAT CATS(HP BAFFLE),SE AC AND SE PT AND OWNER GRINNING EAR TO EAR LOVE'H HIS BIKE.   RUN FILE 1 IS SE AC,RUN FILE 027 IS SE AC ,KERKER SLIP ON'S,AND SE PT   RUN FILE 51 IS SE AC,D-D FAT CATS (HP BAFFLE)AND SE PT. RIDES GREAT  JDO  ONE OF THESE DAYS I'LL LEARN HOW TO MAKE SMALL PIC'S
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Deuce-Bag on January 10, 2007, 10:21:46 AM
Just a comment here for those that are interested.  I have been poking around on this site for several months looking at what people are doing with engine / exhaust mods and dyno numbers.  I see a lot of variations from one bike to the next with similar setups.  What I do notice is that there are definitely variations in how each tuner sets up his "correction factor" and "smoothing" (someone else had already broght this up).  More so I see some tuners take some liberties with their A/F ratios to a point that I believe is risky, IE A/F ratios at or around stochiometric of 14.7 :1.  Sure it bumps the numbers but I don't believe such A/F ratios are a wise idea for WOT on the street, especially once an engine reaches a compression ratio of 9 or 9.5:1.  Increased cylinder head temps and potential detonation issues would be my concern.  It would also be interesting to see some of these curves with a knock sensor plot and timing curve included (fat chance right?).

What I would be curious to see are various 103 setups dynoed at the same tuner under the same A/F and timing conditions.  Does anyone know of such a place or has any of the magazines ever tackled such a task?  Unlikely I know but I thought it's worth a try.

Thanks,  Bob
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: displacing air on January 10, 2007, 11:11:18 AM
Bob,

Maybe a bunch of guys can get together at the dyno truck in Datona or Myrtle...this would be very good to see.

I just put some Zippers stuff in my bike and all I told the dyno guy was make the air/fuel flat @ 12.8 to 13.3. I guess some might like it higher for better gas milage and better numbers...but I dont know the effect on the motor when running the bike at 14.7 for long periods of time? To me the numbers are just a reference to the improvement of the mods. and the flatness of the air fuel curve. I dont care much for my bike has more than your bike numbers game...but I would like my correction numbers and a/f numbers to be the same as well as the same dyno to see what my personal gains are for the mods. I just spent a pretty penny on.

Barry
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Deuce-Bag on January 10, 2007, 11:33:43 AM
Yes Barry I would agree, it would be nice to compare apples to apples.  By the way, I am sure all of the dyno runs are at WOT and gas mileage is typically not an issue here because the economy comes from the part throttle settings.  Cars and now the 07 CUSE use O2 sensors to keep the A/F ratio at ~ 14.7:1 (give or take) at part throttle and that's ok because the load on the engine in this range is fairly low.  That's how they get the better fuel economy.  I don't think many tuners play much with the part throttle stuff.  I asked my guy to tweak mine and he has my mileage up to about 40mpg from about 35 on my 06' CUSE.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bikerdude on January 18, 2007, 09:00:38 AM
I have a 2007 black and Orange ultra That I have installed Rienhart true duals air cleaner and a set of Carls Speed shop in Daytona cams. My bike produced 99 hp 113 ft lbs of tk.
Now my bike runs good and runs a lot cooler. I added Amsoil in the motor and regular primary oil and regular Trans fluid and almost all of the noise has went away.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: GasRat on January 23, 2007, 10:55:59 PM
Well just had the bike dyno'd this evening  and have to say what a difference in seat of the pants test. Red line is the pcIII 96" w/rineharts download, close but extremly rich at 2000 to 3000 rpm. after tuning I have to say that there is a pretty noticable difference in driveability. Have to say over all I am very pleased so far. And God I love that Rinehart sound!! [smiley=jalapeno.gif] [smiley=orange.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_20.gif] First time trying attachment. Hope I get it right.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on January 24, 2007, 01:23:34 AM
Quote
Well just had the bike dyno'd this evening  and have to say what a difference in seat of the pants test. Red line is the pcIII 96" w/rineharts download, close but extremly rich at 2000 to 3000 rpm. after tuning I have to say that there is a pretty noticable difference in driveability. Have to say over all I am very pleased so far. And God I love that Rinehart sound!! [smiley=jalapeno.gif] [smiley=orange.gif] [smiley=2vrolijk_20.gif] First time trying attachment. Hope I get it right.

Numbers look good! nice flat AFR as well [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bikerdude on February 25, 2007, 08:25:14 PM
I HAD Carl's SPEED SHOP INSTALL Rinehart EXAUST AND A Carl's CAM AND DYNO NUMBERS ARE 99 HP  113 TORQ.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JOYRDZ on February 26, 2007, 01:49:34 AM
Got the bike back from Latus Motors after they installed a SE A/C, Rush Slip-Ons 1.75, Y-pipe mod, Race Tuner and Dyno tune, and also changed fork oil to the SE Heavy which I think is 20wt. WOW!! What a difference! 96 hp and 113 ft/lbs. Now it runs like my idea of how aHarley should run. It pulls HARD and sounds great! The fork oil change was amazing too- now the fork feels like a european sports sedan instead of a '57 Ford with broken shocks! Before I felt all the bumps, big and small- now I don't feel ANY!

I also did a 'Jeff's Road Test Dyno'- before and after runs from 60-80 mph in 6th, 60-80 mph in 5th, and 2000-5000 rpm in 3rd. I just snapped open the throttle and timed how long it took to do the run I did the 60-80 runs because that's what the bike magazines do, usually in top gear, but I'll usually be in 5th going 60, so that's why I did that one. I did the 3rd gear run because that works the bike more, but there is no shifting so it a easy run to do, and it's the rpm band I'll do most of my riding in. By the way it was very hard to get consistent times so these are all the average of about 5 runs.

So did the motor work make a difference?

                                   Before       After
60-80 6th gear               6.3 sec.     5.9 sec.  Stills seems a liitle slow- I think it doesn't like pulling 6th at this low rpm
60-80 5th gear               5.0            4.3        Very nice improvement, right in the band I'll be riding in at 60 mph
2000-3000 3rd gear         6.1            5.6       Runs a lot harder now, this is fun!

Thanks to everybody who made posts of this site about the mods- different exhaust, fork oil, heated seat (mine was plugged into the accessory connector, and dealer didn't know about this issue before).

Thanks to everybody who said 'HI' in the new member section also!

Now- I got some requests to post some pictures, but I don't know where- it looks like the gallery is just for full members, and you can only put one picture in each post? Can anybody tell me how to post 4-5 picutes at one time?

Thanks and happy riding, Jeff

PS On the dyno chart the base line run has to be wrong- there is no way it was making 88 hp and 106 ft/lbs stock. This is probably before the dyno tune but after the other mods were installed.


Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on February 26, 2007, 01:59:19 AM
Sometimes random thoughts appear from seeminly nowhere.  Saw this thread with a new active post.  Then the thought occurs:

"Is the guy that runs a dyno a dynocologist?"  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RJ749 on February 26, 2007, 02:17:07 AM
Jman, thanks for the PM and the numbers look great.  I hear you about the rain in Eugene, same up here north of Seattle, it has to stop sometime.

Looks like your dynocologist did a great job with the set up.  Hope to catch you on the road this summer.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on February 26, 2007, 02:25:06 AM
Jman,
The dyno looks great, and the butt test proves it. :2vrolijk_21: Nothing like having your scooter run to its potential. Don't worry the weather will break soon and you'll really be able to get out and enjoy some time in the wind.

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Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: twincam on February 26, 2007, 08:46:22 AM
jman, thanks for the heads up, looks great!!! twincam
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rmarion on March 21, 2007, 11:47:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/rmarion/scan.jpg?t=1174534990)

SERT, SEAC, 595 Cams/Gear drive, SEII S/O

I'm taking her in Monday to dyno tune her with my RB Racing Black Holes.......... :bananarock:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RJ749 on March 22, 2007, 09:42:43 AM
SERT, SEAC, 595 Cams/Gear drive, SEII S/O
I'm taking her in Monday to dyno tune her with my RB Racing Black Holes.......... :bananarock:

Aren't those numbers low for the cam/mods you've done?  Or is that just a baseline before you get the RB's?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: djkak on March 22, 2007, 12:03:03 PM
Sometimes random thoughts appear from seeminly nowhere.  Saw this thread with a new active post.  Then the thought occurs:

"Is the guy that runs a dyno a dynocologist?"  :nixweiss:

Doctor Wayne King here; step into my wheel chocks!

djkak
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rmarion on March 22, 2007, 12:34:47 PM
Aren't those numbers low for the cam/mods you've done?  Or is that just a baseline before you get the RB's?

I agree, everyone kept pointing to the exhaust as holding her back (SE II slip ons).......thats why the RB exhaust install......but.....the black holes are not there free flowing pipes either (sound restrictive)

RB Racing told me these pipes can get 3-4 more HP, by drilling out the opening..........but then it defeats the sound issue. :confused5:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 12:04:22 AM
Well the results are in.. I want to hear what you guys think about the looks of the power band. Also look at where the Tourque starts 1500 not bad!

110 Stage 1,  SE 251 Cams, SE Valve Springs , Adjustable Push Rods, SERT,  Dual Reinharts

NOTE FOR THE WRENCHES: Up garade the push rods the first set tried on this motor bent, bent bad! The wrench has them on the magnet in his tool box.

Click on the photo it will open up full size:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 12:12:37 AM
Click on the photo it will open up full size:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 12:14:25 AM
Click on the photo it will open up full size:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on March 31, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
Well the results are in.. I want to hear what you guys think about the looks of the power band. Also look at where the Tourque starts 1500 not bad!

110 Stage 1,  SE 251 Cams, SE Valve Springs , Adjustable Push Rods, SERT,  Dual Reinharts

NOTE FOR THE WRENCHES: Up garade the push rods the first set tried on this motor bent, bent bad! The wrench has them on the magnet in his tool box.

Click on the photo it will open up full size:

I think it's excellent. Looks like it's all right where you want it. And stays there too. I just can't get past staying with the chain drive. But that thing's gotta pull like a mutha! Man, have fun with it 3z's! :2vrolijk_21: Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 12:28:18 AM
I think it's excellent. Looks like it's all right where you want it. And stays there too. I just can't get past staying with the chain drive. But that thing's gotta pull like a mutha! Man, have fun with it 3z's! :2vrolijk_21: Hoist! 8)

Thanks Hoist, yes it pulls hard! It really does have a forgiving power band..

Thanks for your input  :)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on March 31, 2007, 12:35:29 AM
Thanks Hoist, yes it pulls hard! It really does have a forgiving power band..

Thanks for your input  :)

Looks great Steven.  In where you want it, stays in for the duration and gives all you'd want for regular highway riding.  Got to feel sweet going down the road.  How's your engine feel on the heat side where so many are so concerned?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 01:16:10 AM
Looks great Steven.  In where you want it, stays in for the duration and gives all you'd want for regular highway riding.  Got to feel sweet going down the road.  How's your engine feel on the heat side where so many are so concerned?

Thank you :2vrolijk_21:

It is hotter than my 04 the 04 was 95" 211 cams sert reinharts.

I feel when summer hits Dealers are going to be flooded with over heated motors, that is just my humble opinion..

MOCO knows these run way 2 hot. They tried to get around it with the software that shuts off the rear cylinder if it gets too hot. The soft ware has the potential of being dropped during a re-flash.. I think this issue is going to HEAT up!  :)

This may sound too GEEKISH but hang in there... The cooling fans used for computers can move up to 250 CFM they are 12V DC brushless which means water will not affect them. Weather or not I can blame MOCO for their problem I intend to keep my bike enjoyable/running until this all gets worked out. Anyway. There is more than enough room behind the rear jug to do a stand off surface mount with one of these fans. When stuck in traffic it will blow much needed air directly on the rear jug. This is my personal fix, I like my ride and want to keep it ridable no matter what MOCO does for /to the rest of the world.

TTYL
Steven
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on March 31, 2007, 01:22:03 AM

This may sound too GEEKISH but hang in there... The cooling fans used for computers can move up to 250 CFM they are 12V DC brushless which means water will not affect them. Weather or not I can blame MOCO for their problem I intend to keep my bike enjoyable/running until this all gets worked out. Anyway. There is more than enough room behind the rear jug to do a stand off surface mount with one of these fans. When stuck in traffic it will blow much needed air directly on the rear jug. This is my personal fix, I like my ride and want to keep it ridable no matter what MOCO does for /to the rest of the world.

TTYL
Steven

That's funny.  I've used those fans, or things similar, in a few weird and unexpected places.  Never thought of using one as a jug cooler though.  I recognize that every little bit helps.  But you really think that little bugger will move enough air to do any (real) good?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 01:26:10 AM
I know it wont hurt :drink:

12 Volt DC Cooling Fan.
120mm x 120mm x 38mm.
Rated at 12 Volt DC at 900 Ma.
Brushless. Size Approx.: 4 11/16" square x 1 7/16".
RPM: 3200. CFM: 130. Noise: 48 dB.
Delta part number: AFB1212VHE.
With 6" wire leads.
(Stock #: FN14)

This one is rated at 130 CFM that is a lot of air.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on March 31, 2007, 01:34:45 AM
I know it wont hurt :drink:

12 Volt DC Cooling Fan.
120mm x 120mm x 38mm.
Rated at 12 Volt DC at 900 Ma.
Brushless. Size Approx.: 4 11/16" square x 1 7/16".
RPM: 3200. CFM: 130. Noise: 48 dB.
Delta part number: AFB1212VHE.
With 6" wire leads.
(Stock #: FN14)

This one is rated at 130 CFM that is a lot of air.

Biggest handicap to its effectiveness will be that it's not shrouded in any way.  A fair percentage will just bounce off.  Would be easy enough to hook up though.  And, like you say, every little bit helps  :2vrolijk_21: .
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 01:39:19 AM
Thanks, We will see what happens, Yes it is an easy one 15$ for a fan 2$ worth of serews and a little plug into my battery tender

That will be the cheapest Blow Job I ever got :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:

I thought about heat taping my rear pipe also, any thoughts?????
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on March 31, 2007, 02:12:25 AM
That will be the cheapest Blow Job I ever got :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:


Unexpected beverage expulsion all over the keyboard!



I thought about heat taping my rear pipe also, any thoughts?????

Personally I'd ceramic coat the pipes first.  Will get more benefit without acquiring something that's ugly as FireDood's scar.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hard10 on March 31, 2007, 02:19:09 AM

Personally I'd ceramic coat the pipes first.  Will get more benefit without acquiring something that's ugly as FireDood's scar.

Now that's Diet Pepsi spew!!!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on March 31, 2007, 02:39:52 AM
Quote
Personally I'd ceramic coat the pipes first.  Will get more benefit without acquiring something that's ugly as FireDood's scar.

Have you been under the covers again! :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on March 31, 2007, 03:25:31 AM
Have you been under the covers again! :huepfenjump3:


You mean you missed the pictures  :nixweiss: ?!?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on March 31, 2007, 08:20:51 AM

Unexpected beverage expulsion all over the keyboard!



Personally I'd ceramic coat the pipes first.  Will get more benefit without acquiring something that's ugly as FireDood's scar.
Don't make me show you the darkside of the moon. :P I'll have you know I had a good surgeon and he didn't butcher me. ;D

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Ride Safe,
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Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on March 31, 2007, 02:01:40 PM
Well the results are in.. I want to hear what you guys think about the looks of the power band. Also look at where the Tourque starts 1500 not bad!

110 Stage 1,  SE 251 Cams, SE Valve Springs , Adjustable Push Rods, SERT,  Dual Reinharts

NOTE FOR THE WRENCHES: Up garade the push rods the first set tried on this motor bent, bent bad! The wrench has them on the magnet in his tool box.

Click on the photo it will open up full size:
Steven,
Looks good. :2vrolijk_21: I bet you have a :vrolijk_4: everytime you ride it and twist the throttle.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on April 01, 2007, 01:56:46 PM
I rode with JC this weekend and he said my profile name SJPZZZ was not to easy to say or remember. So I have switched to my given and earned road name IronButt.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on April 01, 2007, 01:58:59 PM
I rode with JC this weekend and he said my profile name SJPZZZ was not to easy to say or remember. So I have switched to my given and earned road name IronButt.

Hey IronAss, you'll always be 3z's to me! ;D Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: IronButt on April 01, 2007, 08:40:13 PM
Hey IronAss, you'll always be 3z's to me! ;D Hoist! 8)

You and tolanerider are on the same page :2vrolijk_21:

Hoist you can call me anything except BI*CH, That is unless you are pulling my hair :bananarock:

3z's
AKA
Iron
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RJ749 on April 03, 2007, 11:14:39 AM
That will be the cheapest Blow Job I ever got
I thought about heat taping my rear pipe also, any thoughts?????

Doesn't that chit have fiberglass in it, seems like the ol' pipe might get some splinters during the BJ. :nervous:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on April 03, 2007, 11:37:49 PM
I changed the standard D&D muffler to the quiet baffle muffler.  I've got the K&N high flow filter and SERT.  The tuning was done by Brian Rose at Bumpus Memphis.  The curve shows the original dyno chart from last August and the new curve (slightly lower) with the quiet baffle.  The fact that the bike has another 5000 miles on it probably helped me stay up there with the quiet baffle (in Brian's opinion).
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on April 03, 2007, 11:40:34 PM
Sorry, but I failed to get the chart in the post.  It ended up attached.  Here's the chart.  The red curves are from last August with standard baffle and the blue are the new curves with the quiet baffle.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on April 03, 2007, 11:42:52 PM
OK, so maybe I goofed and posted the curves twice.  I was pleased with the results and thought that everyone would want to see them twice.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: UltraPolecat on April 04, 2007, 05:33:12 AM
Was absolutely worth a second look ;D

Love them Fat Cats! :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Viper on April 15, 2007, 10:51:34 AM
Just got these yesterday. I gave my compliments to the chef when I saw the curves. I called and gave them again after I rode it! Wow!

FLHTCUSE2 with Reinharts.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: PHAZE on April 15, 2007, 12:47:53 PM
I know that the torque is really what you want and what you feel when you twist the throttle and the 110s are making great numbers.  Has anybody got a simple explanation for why the 110s don't seem to be making more impressive horsepower numbers?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hard10 on April 15, 2007, 05:24:39 PM
I figured I'd put the numbers here to make it easier to find:

Here are the numbers: Run #4 TQ = 92.62, HP = 78.4 Run #8 TQ = 103.7, HP = 84.6.

Rhinharts TD, PC III, RYO
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bikerdude on April 23, 2007, 08:54:00 PM
With Rinehart exhaust air cleaner and a Carl's speed shop cam and a power commander I am getting 99HP and 110 ft pounds of tk.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Sgt072 on May 02, 2007, 12:06:53 AM
Hey, Viper I just seen your sheet from Topeka Harley.  I take mine in to Topeka Harley next week for 1k and Dyno Tune.   I bought a Red/Black SECU2 from Topeka March.  I currently have V&H Oval, Duals with PCIII.  HD will putthe High flow air on next week, then I will put in on the Dyno.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 07SEUC_KC on May 03, 2007, 05:49:08 PM
From Stock  78 HP 94 Torque to 90.6 to 102.4

RH Tru Duals, PCIII, SE Air. Looks like my head temps are down considerable also
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:15:08 AM
On one of the other thread on zipper 575 cams I had expressed concern on performance numbers achieved after install and dyno tuning,so not to bias anyone please review following sequence and tell what you think about the numbers, the dyno tune quality, etc.:First is done SERT, SE AC, V&H slip ons (Dealer) HP89 torque 93
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:18:06 AM
scenario 2:zippers 575, fueling oil pump etc. Doherty PP AC, V&H true duals with slips (same dealer)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:21:57 AM
sorry lost attachment
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:23:15 AM
AF numbers for above
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:24:15 AM
last dyno ( after market shop) only change with PCIII:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:24:58 AM
more same dyno tune #3
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:25:43 AM
last for dyno #3
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:27:53 AM
have discussed the result in number form with others here (more experience than I) so I wanted the actual grafts. Bottom line are these good jobs, should I let it be, or do I need to find someone who actually knows what they are doing? thanks for everyones input  JOHN
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on May 04, 2007, 10:34:18 AM
John

Your AF ratio's are all over the place. Take a look at some of the other dyno sheets posted in the SEEG forum and see how flat the AF ration is. A good tuner will flatten that line out right at 13.2-13.5. This bike will produce lots more if they tune it properly.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on May 04, 2007, 10:37:07 AM
John,
The A/F ratio's on the first dyno sheet look pretty flat, but the other ones they are all over the place (up/down). Maybe someone that knows more about them can help explain that.

Also I noticed that you have a six speed and had wondered if doing the dyno in the wrong gear (if there is such a thing) would cause the numbers to be low. :nixweiss: However it appears that most of your HP/TQ numbers are consistent no matter who did the dyno.

I've attached a copy of my dyno below w/a before and after run. My numbers aren't among the highest that have been shown here, but I'm happy w/the tune, and if the chance comes along I would like to run it on one/some of the dyno's that are putting out higher numbers w/the same build.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5892.0;attach=6191;image)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
Gary and Jim,
My dissatisfaction with the numbers was that I thought these were not the best "tune" jobs in the world from what I had learned from many of you here about what constitutes a good dyno tune. The bike ran better after dyno #3, but still feels like there is more beast to be had. My impression from others here that number of HP in high90, low 100's with torque 105 to 115 range would constitute what can be achieved. (I know Gary don't worship the numbers but it is an ego thing). But I honestly felt that I did not get quality dyno tuning now having spent considerable coin. If i lived in CA or in Memphis area I would have been okay with numbers knowing the quality of work done, but here north of Jax,FL there don't seem to be many quality dyno tuners. Next trip will be to Jim Brown of bragging rights in Clermont, FL since had him recommended by others here unless any knows somene closer. Thanks for input you reaffirmed my impression, John
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on May 04, 2007, 11:07:35 AM
Otophile,

Depending on when you do this there might be someone for you to go to.   The dyno is just about finished at Seminole Harley and the shop steward just got back from Harley.   I am going to let him dyno tune my bike and I can let you know how it goes.

Jim @ seminole and I have had many conversations on the topic and I am willing to give him a shot with a clean map and see how his tuning does against my own tune with the Twin Tec / baseline dyno that he is willing to do to compare the two.

-harry

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hd-dude on May 04, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
Gary and Jim,
My dissatisfaction with the numbers was that I thought these were not the best "tune" jobs in the world from what I had learned from many of you here about what constitutes a good dyno tune. The bike ran better after dyno #3, but still feels like there is more beast to be had. My impression from others here that number of HP in high90, low 100's with torque 105 to 115 range would constitute what can be achieved. (I know Gary don't worship the numbers but it is an ego thing). But I honestly felt that I did not get quality dyno tuning now having spent considerable coin. If i lived in CA or in Memphis area I would have been okay with numbers knowing the quality of work done, but here north of Jax,FL there don't seem to be many quality dyno tuners. Next trip will be to Jim Brown of bragging rights in Clermont, FL since had him recommended by others here unless any knows somene closer. Thanks for input you reaffirmed my impression, John

John;
If it were me I would ask the tuner to TUNE your bike or give you a refund. You paid good money for a dyno tune and from the AF ration you did not get what you paid for. You expectations for the final numbers are not out of line.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Fired00d on May 04, 2007, 03:59:06 PM
.... My impression from others here that number of HP in high90, low 100's with torque 105 to 115 range would constitute what can be achieved. (I know Gary don't worship the numbers but it is an ego thing). But I honestly felt that I did not get quality dyno tuning now having spent considerable coin. .... John
John,
I agree with you totally on the range of numbers (that would give allowance for dyno's and motor differences) that should be expected from the mods you have done, and I would say that would be reasonable expectations. I just feel that some people expect because so and so got the highest numbers that theirs should also get that, and it just doesn't happen like that. You can have two motors built the same day by the same people and one might do better then the other that is just the nature of the beast. My thought if your numbers fall somewhere in the ballpark of what is expected out of your particular build/mod and your A/F ratio is flat/constant and "seat of the pants" dyno puts a smile on your face then enjoy the ride. After seeing your dyno run sheets there is definitely room for improvement.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HWYMAN1 on May 04, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
Otophile,

Depending on when you do this there might be someone for you to go to.   The dyno is just about finished at Seminole Harley and the shop steward just got back from Harley.   I am going to let him dyno tune my bike and I can let you know how it goes.

Jim @ seminole and I have had many conversations on the topic and I am willing to give him a shot with a clean map and see how his tuning does against my own tune with the Twin Tec / baseline dyno that he is willing to do to compare the two.

-harry
Harry,
I appreciate the offer. You originally recommended Jim Brown with Bragging rights to me in December. Big lesson i should have listened then, it would have saved me alot of time , frustration, and money. I had planned on going to him in Leesburg but unexpected family issue came up. If your happy with what you get at Seminole HD let me know, I just want to go to someone who others trust and have experience with. thanks, John


Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 16HD117 on May 07, 2007, 09:15:38 AM
I recently had Rinehart Preformance baffles installed.  Here is the before/after dyno sheet.  Other mods include SERT and Stage I.

Before:  91.28HP    108.87 Torque
After:    94.92HP    113.46 Torque
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bikersander on May 08, 2007, 04:41:17 PM
Just put Vance and Hines oval slip-ons, free flow air filter, and dyna power commander. Dyno at 92 HP and 107 torque. Sounds, looks, and feels just right.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Gunn Runner on July 25, 2007, 01:13:30 PM
83 HP   105 Torque on my 110 w/ Rinehardt Tru Dual
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 02, 2007, 05:24:07 PM
I recently had Rinehart Performance baffles installed.  Here is the before/after dyno sheet.  Other mods include SERT and Stage I.

Before:  91.28HP    108.87 Torque
After:    94.92HP    113.46 Torque

I have a quick question based on your dyno chart.

I know, I know, I shouldn't assume anything, but I'll go out on a limb on this one and assume the the more peaked bell curve in your dyno chart is for torque as that goes along with the legend stating torque on the right side of the chart.  That torque curve looks very peaky though.  The other upward to the right is the max power curve.

Torque is what a dyno records and hp is a calculation formula of torque and rpms.

That being said, ALL torque/power curves cross at 5250 rpms as a rule of this math formula.  Your chart shows that happening way down around 4,000 rpms.  I'm not sure how this can be.

I'll probably be going through all this later after my new '08 SERK gets in my hands.

Just thought I'd bring this up and see if anyone else has an answer for this.

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: grc on August 02, 2007, 07:58:14 PM
I have a quick question based on your dyno chart.

I know, I know, I shouldn't assume anything, but I'll go out on a limb on this one and assume the the more peaked bell curve in your dyno chart is for torque as that goes along with the legend stating torque on the right side of the chart.  That torque curve looks very peaky though.  The other upward to the right is the max power curve.

Torque is what a dyno records and hp is a calculation formula of torque and rpms.

That being said, ALL torque/power curves cross at 5250 rpms as a rule of this math formula.  Your chart shows that happening way down around 4,000 rpms.  I'm not sure how this can be.

I'll probably be going through all this later after my new '08 SERK gets in my hands.

Just thought I'd bring this up and see if anyone else has an answer for this.

Dan,

For some unknown reason, the dyno chart you referenced has unequal scales for torque and horsepower.  Not sure why some places do that, but normally the scales are equal and the torque and hp curves cross at 5252 rpm as the formula dictates.

Jerry
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on August 02, 2007, 09:50:08 PM
Some dyno charts are set up differently than in the conventional manner. Just look at the scales on the chart and read it accordingly for Tq and HP. They always cross at 5252, as Jerry said, by formula, regardless how the charts are set up. Sometimes they're also plotted seperately. Don't worry about the appearance of the chart. Just look at the curve for each. ;) Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on August 04, 2007, 07:36:27 AM
I'M JUST CHECKING MY OPTIONS.WHEN I PUT MY MUFFLERS ON D AND D PIPES WEREN'T OUT YET.I LIKE THE SOUND OF MY MUFFLERS AND D AND SOUND ALSO .I JUST BEEN LOOKING TO SEE IF NUMBERS FROM D AND D'S ARE INCREASED ENOUGH TO CHANGE.RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS TO CLOSE TO CALL.MY LOCAL HD SHOP IS MOUNTING A SET OF BORZILLA'S ON A 110 THIS WEEK  SO THAT MIGHT ANSWER FAT CAT OR BORZILLA'S CHOICE.LOL         GOOD LUCK   JDOFLHRIDER

boarzilla is too much pipe. you need 117 inch or more for it to work well. try the fatcat with quiet baffle for more power and a nicer exhaust tone, almost pleasant at cruise. another note, even tho you may see close numbers between other pipes and the fatcat, the bike with the fatcat spins up faster----hence quicker acceleration.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rlavigna on August 04, 2007, 11:12:31 AM
Put a few miles on my bike yesterday and love the way it rides compared to before.  Just installed D&D Fatcats w/ quiet baffle, PCIII, SE 50MM, Throttle Body, SE 251 Cams, K&N AF.  See my Dyno attached.  I plan to get a better tune in the comings months...right now just going to ride.  Any advice to get better performance without too much $$ is welcome.  Thanks, Rich
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on August 06, 2007, 09:13:47 AM
Put a few miles on my bike yesterday and love the way it rides compared to before.  Just installed D&D Fatcats w/ quiet baffle, PCIII, SE 50MM, Throttle Body, SE 251 Cams, K&N AF.  See my Dyno attached.  I plan to get a better tune in the comings months...right now just going to ride.  Any advice to get better performance without too much $$ is welcome.  Thanks, Rich

not much $$$$$? have you considered the 30 tooth motor sprocket?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on August 06, 2007, 09:34:30 AM
not much $$$$$? have you considered the 30 tooth motor sprocket?

I've already spoken to him about that. When he sees how my bike flies out of the hole, he'll be changing that sprocket right after Sturgis! ;) Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rlavigna on August 06, 2007, 09:36:03 AM
not much $$$$$? have you considered the 30 tooth motor sprocket?

I like the way the bike comes off the line now compared to before.  In the near future I do not plan to use the 30 tooth motor sprocket but will make my mind up after putting a bunch more miles on the current setup.  It now has a significantly better low end torque curve and rides and feels great.  
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rlavigna on August 06, 2007, 09:37:54 AM
I've already spoken to him about that. When he sees how my bike flies out of the hole, he'll be changing that sprocket right after Sturgis! ;) Hoist! 8)

Howie, I did not get my work stuff completed and did not leave for Sturgis and will not be going.  Looks like I will miss "No Panties Wednesday" in Hullet.  R
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on August 06, 2007, 10:02:04 AM
Howie, I did not get my work stuff completed and did not leave for Sturgis and will not be going.  Looks like I will miss "No Panties Wednesday" in Hullet.  R

That's a bummer Rich. I know how you were looking forward to "Wednesday"! Maybe you want to take a ride up to the Adirondaks this weekend? After we ride together, you can start thinking about  that 30 tooth engine sprocket again! ;) Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: UglyJohn on September 10, 2007, 10:03:46 PM
Well here's my Dyno map. Very slight mods are as follow: SERT, SE Mufflers, SE A/C. Pretty plain, but it works for me. Any recommendations or comments are welcomed.

I didn't get a copy of the Air/Fuel ratio, but shop said it wouldn't print out in it's entirety. If anyone knows of a program out there that I could download, buy etc.. let me know. I would like to be able to print out the dyno sheet in full.
UglyJohn
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on September 13, 2007, 11:48:42 PM
I have a quick question based on your dyno chart.

I know, I know, I shouldn't assume anything, but I'll go out on a limb on this one and assume the the more peaked bell curve in your dyno chart is for torque as that goes along with the legend stating torque on the right side of the chart.  That torque curve looks very peaky though.  The other upward to the right is the max power curve.

Torque is what a dyno records and hp is a calculation formula of torque and rpms.

That being said, ALL torque/power curves cross at 5250 rpms as a rule of this math formula.  Your chart shows that happening way down around 4,000 rpms.  I'm not sure how this can be.

I'll probably be going through all this later after my new '08 SERK gets in my hands.

Just thought I'd bring this up and see if anyone else has an answer for this.



Dan,

This is simply an oversight by the tuner when printing out the dyno that your referencing.  The tuner did not click the box that forces the program to use force scale.  By not forcing the scale you notice that the left vertical column numbers do not match the right side vertical column numbers.  If they did you would see the lines intersecting at 5252.   If you  go along the dyno sheet and take numbers from it accurately and plug the numbers into this formula you see below you will see the numbers are accurate just the intersection of the lines is skewed due to the oversite.

(Torque x Engine speed) / 5,252 = Horsepower

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on October 13, 2007, 08:10:11 PM
Freedom FCC 14SEC-07 Gear Drive 110" Rineharts True Duals, SE A/C
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on October 13, 2007, 08:12:21 PM
110" Rinehart True Dual, HP Inc A/C, 58mm Throttlebody, Cycle-Rama Headwork, 595 Cycle Rama Cam
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on October 13, 2007, 08:37:42 PM
some dyno software does not have forced scaling.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on October 13, 2007, 09:13:27 PM
Rednectum,

In my case the forced scaling was specific to DynoJet Software as was the comment to the Dynojet dyno sheet that Dan questioned on the previous page.

Just curious which dyno software your referring to that does not have/utilize forced scaling?   

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on October 14, 2007, 06:59:34 AM
dont remember the software names, but dayton dyno, some mustang dynos, and IIRC, the early dynojet dont allow forced scaling.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Pitsquid on November 07, 2007, 02:36:50 PM
I was fortunate enough to hang out in the dyno room with my tech during the tune due to the fact that I work for an HD dealer. Once I gain some computer literacy and access to a scanner I will post the actual printout. My stock runs,yes after the bike had warmed up, were as follows: 85HP and 102ft-lbs TQ. I added a SERT and Rinehart 2-1 exhaust and with tune ended up with 93HP and 114ft-lbs TQ. Not a huge gain in HP, however peak TQ is at 3200 RPM and the bike is just an animal out of the gate. Air/fuel mix is a nice even line also-very smooth and adjusted throttle response as well. Redline is now 6200 RPM. I've seen some other very impressive numbers and wouldn't mind trying to squeeze a little more- but the bike runs so good now I don't know if it's really necessary- but you're alway's left looking for just a little more!!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Speedneed on November 13, 2007, 10:53:29 AM
06 103 CI- Thunderheader, K & N Hi flow AC, SERT.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on November 15, 2007, 08:19:40 PM
06 103 CI- Thunderheader, K & N Hi flow AC, SERT.

there lies your problem.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Speedneed on November 16, 2007, 09:44:15 AM
Red-  Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on November 16, 2007, 01:10:43 PM
thunderheader on a stock bagger. tis why your not making anything untill midrange.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on November 16, 2007, 02:04:14 PM
thunderheader on a stock bagger. tis why your not making anything untill midrange.

Dennis, do you see any problems using the TH on the 110" RevTech carb'd Evo Motor w/6-speed RT Trans, I'm putting in my Wide Glide? Thanks.

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on November 16, 2007, 09:19:20 PM
Dennis, do you see any problems using the TH on the 110" RevTech carb'd Evo Motor w/6-speed RT Trans, I'm putting in my Wide Glide? Thanks.

Hoist! 8)

thunderheader seems to work better on evo motors. if you are gonna spin it up to make power---- you will not be riding in the famouse dip area. speedneed is cammed to where his tq curve is right at the t-header dip, negating any performance he may have had. kinda like putting big radius pipes on a motor that signs off at 4000 rpm.


i think the t-header will work well with your combo hoist!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Hoist! on November 16, 2007, 09:25:40 PM
thunderheader seems to work better on evo motors. if you are gonna spin it up to make power---- you will not be riding in the famouse dip area. speedneed is cammed to where his tq curve is right at the t-header dip, negating any performance he may have had. kinda like putting big radius pipes on a motor that signs off at 4000 rpm.


i think the t-header will work well with your combo hoist!

Thanks for the consideration and your response Dennis! :2vrolijk_21:

I was hoping you'd say that. I wanted to use it on this build. ;)

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bearammus on December 08, 2007, 04:04:10 PM
Just removed V&H Fuel Pak from 07 CUSE with V&H Duels and ovals, Dorety AC with Power Paks and had bike dyno'd with SERT.  No changes to config. other than SERT.  Tuner set a perfectly flat AFR at 13.5.  I gained 5 lbs of torque (105lbs ) but nothing on HP (only 83.5hp).  Is it possible that the Fuel Pak was producing the same HP with no tuning required.  This was done on the same dyno with only about 10 degrees temp difference.  I was expecting a bump in hp from the SERT and tune.  Bike seems to running good and I'm hoping for a little improvement in mileage but would like to see more ponies for the $600 investment.  Any thoughts on this are appreciated.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Boatman on December 08, 2007, 06:41:56 PM
Sometimes I believe we put too much emphasis in the numbers.  I'd rather have the low numbers and a fun rideable/driveable bike in the hot/cold and any riding conditions.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on December 08, 2007, 10:14:31 PM
Just removed V&H Fuel Pak from 07 CUSE with V&H Duels and ovals, Dorety AC with Power Paks and had bike dyno'd with SERT.  No changes to config. other than SERT.  Tuner set a perfectly flat AFR at 13.5.  I gained 5 lbs of torque (105lbs ) but nothing on HP (only 83.5hp).  Is it possible that the Fuel Pak was producing the same HP with no tuning required.  This was done on the same dyno with only about 10 degrees temp difference.  I was expecting a bump in hp from the SERT and tune.  Bike seems to running good and I'm hoping for a little improvement in mileage but would like to see more ponies for the $600 investment.  Any thoughts on this are appreciated.

your pipes are holding hp back, as well as the cams. also, as a rule of thumb------if you see a perfectly flat afr, the dyno guy is suspect.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bearammus on December 13, 2007, 07:59:27 PM
The AFR is not "perfectly" flat, but there is not much deviation.  Also, I'm not overly concerned about the numbers unless a problem is indicated.  My question is more related to realizing no gain in hp from the SERT and dyno from what was previously reported on the same dyno, same temp range with Fuel Pak.  Is this possible?  I gained 5 lbs of torque, why no hp gain?There were some bumps at the high point of hp, is it likely that they indicate some slippage on the dyno drum that would account for no gains in hp?  If anyone has an answer, please jump in here.  All input is appreciated.

Bearammus
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: rednectum on December 15, 2007, 07:03:58 AM
The AFR is not "perfectly" flat, but there is not much deviation.  Also, I'm not overly concerned about the numbers unless a problem is indicated.  My question is more related to realizing no gain in hp from the SERT and dyno from what was previously reported on the same dyno, same temp range with Fuel Pak.  Is this possible?  I gained 5 lbs of torque, why no hp gain?There were some bumps at the high point of hp, is it likely that they indicate some slippage on the dyno drum that would account for no gains in hp?  If anyone has an answer, please jump in here.  All input is appreciated.

Bearammus

your cams and pipes are keeping horsepower from developing. change those and you would see a world of difference between the fuel pak and SERT tune.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: mmbraun on December 21, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
Max Torque 118.23
Max Power  100.52

Bub 7 (w/o crossover), SE A/C, SE High Comp Pistons, Wood TW7H cams, SERT
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: amigo Jorge on January 07, 2008, 10:03:06 AM
FLHTCUSE 06 : 85.78HP & Torque=91.69 from 78.96HP & Torque=86.44
- Vance & Hines True Dual
- SE Air Cleaner
- SE Pro Slip-Ons

Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hdctss on January 31, 2008, 12:15:42 PM
hopefully this will work
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on January 31, 2008, 12:19:46 PM
hopefully this will work

HD, I just emailed you your dyno sheet converted from the PDF to a JPG file.  Modify your post to use the JPG file instead and it will display.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: miker on January 31, 2008, 12:29:14 PM
hopefully this will work

Nice flat afr...Not all folks like that but on these dino air cooled siamesed rod bikes, it should keep it cool...
Mine is se ac/ rh 2-1/ sert.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hdctss on February 01, 2008, 07:15:58 PM
how the heck do I post it instead of attaching it?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hdctss on February 01, 2008, 07:16:33 PM
answered my own question huh...what do you know
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: hdctss on February 01, 2008, 07:17:08 PM
so here is the run in jpg
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RedRider on February 19, 2008, 03:41:05 PM
I dynoed my FLHTCUSE3 BEFORE any mods and after.  I have 3,800 miles on it.  The first dyno resulted in 77.74 HP and 98.98 ftlbs torque.  This isnt what the H-D sales/material says!

I added on Rhinehart True Duals exhaust and a PCIII resulting in 86.74 HP and 110.70 or about an 11% overall improvement. 

I also dynoed my 08 Night Rod and posted those results over on the Revolution motors.

What do you think about these results?

 
Title: Dyno sheet with V & H ovals
Post by: newseultra07 on March 06, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
The first is with the stock headers & v&h oval slipons. Race tuner
Title: Dyno with fatcats 2-1 w/quiet baffle
Post by: newseultra07 on March 06, 2008, 01:54:43 PM
Here is the dyno sheet with the D & D fatcats with quiet baffle.
Running the race tuner..
Title: Re: Dyno with fatcats 2-1 w/quiet baffle
Post by: jfh on March 07, 2008, 04:34:49 PM
Here is the dyno sheet with the D & D fatcats with quiet baffle.
Running the race tuner..

newseultra07 - I'd be interested in what the curve looks like below 3k.
Title: Re: Dyno with fatcats 2-1 w/quiet baffle
Post by: sadunbar on March 07, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
newseultra07 - I'd be interested in what the curve looks like below 3k.

I'd be curious as to the A/F ratio...
Title: Re: Dyno with fatcats 2-1 w/quiet baffle
Post by: miker on March 07, 2008, 10:41:31 PM
I'd be curious as to the A/F ratio...

As low as you can go!   Plugs are cheap!  Ring it high enough, long enough, you'll burn it off!
Title: New map and the new ride
Post by: Gav on March 21, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
hopefully, Things are coming around for me and my bike.
Title: Re: New map and the new ride
Post by: Hoist! on March 21, 2008, 01:37:24 PM
hopefully, Things are coming around for me and my bike.

Holy crap Gav, no wonder you've been MIA for a bit! :o :D

What did you wind up doing in the end? Looks like Scotty did a nice job with it. Great looking flat curve. I guess Joe hooked you up man! And it looks like I might be chasing you next time. We'll sure have fun though!!! ;)

Best of luck with it! :2vrolijk_21:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RedDevil on March 21, 2008, 01:39:40 PM
I dynoed my FLHTCUSE3 BEFORE any mods and after.  I have 3,800 miles on it.  The first dyno resulted in 77.74 HP and 98.98 ftlbs torque.  This isnt what the H-D sales/material says!

I added on Rhinehart True Duals exhaust and a PCIII resulting in 86.74 HP and 110.70 or about an 11% overall improvement. 

I also dynoed my 08 Night Rod and posted those results over on the Revolution motors.

What do you think about these results?

 

Those are about normal numbers for the mods you did Red.  Remember, the 115 TQ that the brochures stated for the 110" engine is at the crank.  The TQ value that your bike achieved on the base run is at the rear wheel.  Can be a significant, as you can see, difference in values.

     :devil:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Gav on March 21, 2008, 01:41:09 PM
Yea , things started to come around, we aren,t as fortunate as the southern folks with gettin out and riding but I,m goin any ways.  :coolblue:Shiver me timbers :coolblue:
Gav
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: miker on March 21, 2008, 01:42:47 PM
It must pull nice, good job   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: REGGAB on April 23, 2008, 11:01:24 PM
As of last Friday.
107ci
R&R Heads
R&R 525 cams
R&R plate and cover
SE A/C with 8" AF and cover
V&H Dresser Duals with Rush Mufflers

THUMPER!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: megavolt17 on May 01, 2008, 08:33:08 PM
Here is my Dyno run.  Not as exciting as I had hoped, but seems respectable to me.  Does this seem to be in line with what I should expect with slip on mufflers and the air intake modification?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BaggerDave on May 23, 2008, 03:08:52 PM
Does anyone know how to take the dyno run file and convert it to a jpg? I don't have a scanner, and I don't know how to view the dyno file I have. Thanks!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Talon on May 23, 2008, 03:59:54 PM
You are correct however, that was only the first "recorded" run. The dyno operator (Bob)does 3-4 "pulls" on the dyno to get the bike up to temp. If he had recorded each pull the "baseline" run number would be a higher number. You can't just go by the run number.


Also watch the SAE correction, some tuners will run a different correction setting before and after to make it look like they got you more than they really did. The SAE should be on the sheet make sure they all have the same setting on them.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Talon on May 23, 2008, 04:08:23 PM
Does anyone know how to take the dyno run file and convert it to a jpg? I don't have a scanner, and I don't know how to view the dyno file I have. Thanks!

What type of file is it in now? To change it do the following.
- Right click on the file.
- Click on Edit.
- It will open another window, go to File at the top, click on Save As.
- Change the select save as type to JPEG.

Now you'll have two files with the same name, but one will be a JPEG, if you want to could also change the name at the same time you do the save as.

Also this isn't the best way, but if you have the paper printout, you can use your digital camera to take a picture and save the picture as a file.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BaggerDave on May 23, 2008, 04:30:06 PM
Ok, well here it is via a photo.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Banana man on May 25, 2008, 10:52:23 PM
S E air cleaner, k&n filter, stage 1 download, pcIII, V&H dresser duals with Rush
mufflers and 2.5 inch baffles. Dyno tuned by Rolling Thunder Dyno in Joplin MO.
Stock 103 inch engine.

102hp and 107tq.  Makes it much more fun to ride.


                                       Mark
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 04se103 on May 26, 2008, 01:33:17 AM
These are the mods I have made Jet Scream with K&N filter SS Gear drive 570g cams Bub7s T/D Fueling oil pump &cam plate& lifters SS adjustable push rods.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BayouBiker on May 28, 2008, 11:05:25 AM
Sorry about the poor picture quality... but, how does this look?
'07 SEUC w: V&H TD head-pipes, Reinhart slip-ons, Ness A/C, Zippers TMAT.

max power= 80.16
max torque= 97.74

I've been running this setup for about 8 mos & this is the 1st time on the dyno.
A/F has a dip around 2200rpm.
note- run temp=92, humidity=27%

Does anybody have any suggestions and/or comments? (aside from the Zipppers TMAT  :P)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Talon on May 28, 2008, 11:29:54 AM
Sorry about the poor picture quality... but, how does this look?
'07 SEUC w: V&H TD head-pipes, Reinhart slip-ons, Ness A/C, Zippers TMAT.

max power= 80.16
max torque= 97.74

I've been running this setup for about 8 mos & this is the 1st time on the dyno.
A/F has a dip around 2200rpm.
note- run temp=92, humidity=27%

Does anybody have any suggestions and/or comments? (aside from the Zipppers TMAT  :P)

That's a pretty big dip, running pretty rich right there.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BayouBiker on May 28, 2008, 12:34:41 PM
Should I flatten the curve?
I figured if it was rich, it'd run cooler in Louisiana's hot summer.

Not real familiar w/ all this electronic tuning. Gimme a carb anytime~
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Talon on May 28, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
Should I flatten the curve?
I figured if it was rich, it'd run cooler in Louisiana's hot summer.

Not real familiar w/ all this electronic tuning. Gimme a carb anytime~

I'm no expert, I'd talk to someone like HD-Dude, or one of the other guys that make their living working on this stuff!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on May 28, 2008, 03:23:47 PM
Does anyone know how to take the dyno run file and convert it to a jpg? I don't have a scanner, and I don't know how to view the dyno file I have. Thanks!

Go to dynojets web site download the winpep viewer software.   Install the software then open up your run files

You will be able to configure them a bit as to how you want them to look.
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_iii_usb/downloads_general/winpep7runviewer/RunViewer7.0.1.0.zip (http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander_iii_usb/downloads_general/winpep7runviewer/RunViewer7.0.1.0.zip)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bgregston on May 31, 2008, 12:34:22 PM
I just switched from Freedom True Dual to 2 into1 D&D Fat Cats. The motor is stock and I have a SERT and Zippers A/C. My take is that the numbers are slightly better but the difference is the usable range from low 2000's to 4000. The first run I had just over 1000 miles on the bike. The second run I have 17,500. The high SAE for both I think is due to altitude. We're at about 6000 feet.

Bret
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on May 31, 2008, 12:48:41 PM
I just switched from Freedom True Dual to 2 into1 D&D Fat Cats. The motor is stock and I have a SERT and Zippers A/C. My take is that the numbers are slightly better but the difference is the usable range from low 2000's to 4000. The first run I had just over 1000 miles on the bike. The second run I have 17,500. The high SAE for both I think is due to altitude. We're at about 6000 feet.

Bret


Damn Bret, you've got 15 ft pds more torque at about 2800.  The pass-a-truck feeling on the butt dyno has to like that a lot.  The "what and where" of the improvements you've got there are great.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: bgregston on May 31, 2008, 12:53:12 PM
I really haven't got to ride it since the change but it's the weekend. I'll be out there in just a little while.

Bret
Title: Jarz dyno tune
Post by: igofar on July 18, 2008, 01:29:10 AM
110" with Fat Cat quiet baffle
Ported and reworked stock heads(stock valves and springs)
SE257 cam
SE 10.5:1 pistons (approx 10:1)
SERT

Another successful tune up from Jarz Performance in Abbostford BC.
Drove a nice 1500 mile round trip for this tune up.
Sure was nice to get out for a spin.

Brad
Title: Re: Jarz dyno tune
Post by: Twolanerider on July 18, 2008, 01:33:18 AM
110" with Fat Cat quiet baffle
Ported and reworked stock heads(stock valves and springs)
SE257 cam
SE 10.5:1 pistons (approx 10:1)
SERT

Another successful tune up from Jarz Performance in Abbostford BC.
Drove a nice 1500 mile round trip for this tune up.
Sure was nice to get out for a spin.

Brad

You must be very happy Brad.  Losing that nasty dip at the beginning of cruise RPM range is almost enough of a gain by itself to make the work worthwhile.  The pass-a-truck feeling from cruise speed must feel a LOT better.  Hope it's nothing but tons of fun.
Title: dyno
Post by: muddypaws on March 30, 2009, 06:45:58 PM
On my 2009 SEUC I installed the monster ovals and an air cleaner along with the harley race tuner. The dyno results came back with 87.57 HP and 105.96 max torque. Does that sound right
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: tennisman on April 03, 2009, 03:32:28 PM
I am amazed at the variation of of torque values in the usable area (2000-3000 rpm).  AND, if my tuner gave me a dyno sheet that did NOT include values at 2000 revs, I'd tell him go back and do it again.  I want to see those values cause that is the rpm I generally use to pull away from a standing start.  Anyway, here's my curve running Rinehart TDs with quiet baffle, SERT, and AC.  They tuned it well as I have plenty of torque at 2000 revs.  I don't care much about max HP, this is a 900# cruiser, not a sport bike.
T-man
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Coyote. on April 03, 2009, 05:54:34 PM
2007 SE Ultra
Ignore the Red run as it was taken as the bike started after the pipe change.

Bob at RC Cycles did the tune for me.
Title: FLHTCUSE4 Dyno readout - V&H Big Radius 2 into 2
Post by: Jon Seddon on April 25, 2009, 12:38:39 PM
Posted this if you're interested

Jon
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BaggerDave on April 26, 2009, 08:15:28 AM
Ok, well here it is via a photo.


Looking at my Dyno sheet, what Cam would you guys suggest to kick it up a notch?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BaggerDave on April 28, 2009, 09:07:41 AM
Based on a recent post by Dewey, I'm thinking a Woods TW5.
Suggestions, advice?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: skyman on May 20, 2009, 09:52:09 PM
06 SE Ultra

Stage 1
Pro Pipe
heads decked--polished ported
Ss 570 cam
Race Tuner
110 Hp
120 torque

Love the torque!!!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: DanM on June 04, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
Fullsac 1.75, Non-Cat HD Header, Big Sucker Stage I, TTS Master Tune
Title: 2009 SE ultra dyno results
Post by: jiml on March 14, 2010, 11:48:58 AM
Just got her back from the winter sleep all mods are final , I hope.
Heavy Breather air cleaner, stock pipes with cat removed by Fullsac, Fulsac 2 1/4 cores no packing, Andrews 54 cams, stock throttle body and manifold bored to 53mm. Cant wait to ride it!!!!
Title: Re: 2009 SE ultra dyno results
Post by: Tom149 on March 14, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
Just got her back from the winter sleep all mods are final , I hope.
Heavy Breather air cleaner, stock pipes with cat removed by Fullsac, Fulsac 2 1/4 cores no packing, Andrews 54 cams, stock throttle body and manifold bored to 53mm. Cant wait to ride it!!!!

You better hold on tight, awesome torque curve, should be really fun to ride .... congratulations! ;D

Tom
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers 2010 FHLTCUSE5
Post by: KarlG on April 02, 2010, 08:29:48 PM
2010 FHLTCUSE5
Stage 1 with K&N Filter, Vance and Hines Power Duals, Vance and Hines Monster Ovals, SERT
Max Power=95.8
Max Torque=109.55
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 49445CVO on April 03, 2010, 11:17:45 AM
'06 SEUC, Changed out the head pipes to Basanni Power Curve Duals and V&H Ovals for the mufflers. Zippers high flow A/C. Oh and SERT, otherwise stock.

82.35 HP
88.17 Torque
On a WINPEP Dyno

Sound about right?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on April 03, 2010, 03:39:16 PM
'06 SEUC, Changed out the head pipes to Basanni Power Curve Duals and V&H Ovals for the mufflers. Zippers high flow A/C. Otherwise stock.

82.35 HP
88.17 Torque

Sound about right?

49445CVO,

What mechanism was used to tune your bike, SERT, SUPER SERT, TTS, Power Commander ?

To me this sounds about 10 light on both sides.  typically .. pipes, a/c, tune on the 103's was roughly 98 tq / 93 hp give or take a couple on most dyno jet 250i dyno's.   Check out the SEEG Dyno Sheets its pretty consistent.   Could be a super super stingy dyno so, before getting upset about it, I would do another run on another 250i for peace of mind sake.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 49445CVO on April 03, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
49445CVO,

What mechanism was used to tune your bike, SERT, SUPER SERT, TTS, Power Commander ?

To me this sounds about 10 light on both sides.  typically .. pipes, a/c, tune on the 103's was roughly 98 tq / 93 hp give or take a couple on most dyno jet 250i dyno's.   Check out the SEEG Dyno Sheets its pretty consistent.   Could be a super super stingy dyno so, before getting upset about it, I would do another run on another 250i for peace of mind sake.

SERT
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on April 03, 2010, 04:28:10 PM
One other question, was this done in 4th gear?  If it was it could be right on the numbers.

5th gear pull with Rinehart true duals, A/C , SERT all 3 of my CVO 103's have dyno'd within a hp / tq of each other.  The curve looked like this.  
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 49445CVO on April 03, 2010, 05:20:33 PM
I will give him a call and see on Monday. I want to see the before and after too. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on April 08, 2010, 12:09:08 AM
Any Update on this 49445 ?
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 49445CVO on April 08, 2010, 06:07:36 AM
Sorry I got busy and forgot. I will call him today.

Topper
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: 49445CVO on April 08, 2010, 12:07:51 PM
One other question, was this done in 4th gear?   If it was it could be right on the numbers.

5th gear pull with Rinehart true duals, A/C , SERT all 3 of my CVO 103's have dyno'd within a hp / tq of each other.  The curve looked like this.  

Yes it was a fourth gear dyno.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on April 08, 2010, 01:00:17 PM
As a 4th gear pull the numbers sound like they are in line, unfortunately, without seeing a 5th gear to truly compare it, can say definitively.  I would expect to see around 5-7 torque and 5-7 horsepower for the 5th gear / but could be more.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Ed45 on April 29, 2010, 12:26:10 PM
Just got the 2010 Ultra run done on the dyno. The engine is set up with the SE A/C, SERT, V&H Power Duals and the SE 259e cam. The mufflers are Kirkers with Mikuni PAT cores. Sound is polite and classic. This is my first touring bike and I plan to travel and don't want issues with noise level but love the rumble. (I have a highly modified FatBoy for raising hell). I love everything about the Ultra and there is plenty juice to keep me happy. I have done some other mods like the new Windsplitter windshield and I will post a list of those with pics within a few days.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HOGMIKE on April 29, 2010, 12:34:10 PM
Just got the 2010 Ultra run done on the dyno. The engine is set up with the SE A/C, SERT, V&H Power Duals and the SE 259e cam. The mufflers are Kirkers with Mikuni PAT cores. Sound is polite and classic. This is my first touring bike and I plan to travel and don't want issues with noise level but love the rumble. (I have a highly modified FatBoy for raising hell). I love everything about the Ultra and there is plenty juice to keep me happy. I have done some other mods like the new Windsplitter windshield and I will post a list of those with pics within a few days.

"POLITE"??
Love it!
 :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Tom149 on April 29, 2010, 05:04:46 PM
06' FLHTCUSE 103CI to 107CI Conversion:

1. NRHS Stage 2 CNC welded & ported TC 88 heads (1.90 intake and 1.615 exhaust) set to 87cc to achieve 10.2:1 static compression (swapped out my 103 heads)
2. Andrews Hydraulic Cam Conversion Kit with Andrews 54N cams
3. Bored Cylinders to 3.938 and installed CP 107FT forged pistons
4. Changed out injectors to SE 4.90 gms/sec
5. SE High Flow Air Cleaner and Rinehart True Duals with Performance Baffles
6. Dyno Tuned - SERT

104PWR  112TRQ   I gained 26.4HP and 29.4TQ over my stock 103CI motor with the original stage 1 upgrades!


UPDATE!!! Switched to "quiet baffles" from "performance baffles" with my Rinehart True Duals plus a retune and I picked up about 25 ft/lbs of torque at 2200 rpm while reaching 100 ft/lbs at that rpm. What an improvement over the "performance baffles" where I didn't reach 100 ft/lbs until about 3250 rpm.

I now have alot more area under the curve with 100 ft/lbs or more of torque from 2200 to 4700 rpm. I lost some at the top end, but with an 885 lb. bagger, I think the overall change in the torque curve was well worth the tradeoff. The bike is alot more responsive and alot more fun to ride. The "seat of your pants dyno" difference is amazing.

I am very surprised at the results with just a baffle change and retune. Any thoughts?

I have attached the new Dyno Chart

PS: I'd like to thank all responders for their input regarding the change I made.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Black Diamond on April 29, 2010, 05:13:09 PM
Switched to "quiet baffles" from "performance baffles" with my Rinehart True Duals plus a retune and I picked up about 25 ft/lbs of torque at 2200 rpm while reaching 100 ft/lbs at that rpm. What an improvement over the "performance baffles" where I didn't reach 100 ft/lbs until about 3250 rpm.

I now have alot more area under the curve with 100 ft/lbs or more of torque from 2200 to 4700 rpm. I lost some at the top end, but with an 885 lb. bagger, I think the overall change in the torque curve was well worth the tradeoff. The bike is alot more responsive and alot more fun to ride. The "seat fo your pants dyno" difference is amazing.

I am very surprised at the results with just a baffle change and retune. Any thoughts?

I have attached the new Dyno Chart

PS: I'd like to thank all responders for their input regarding the change I made.


Nice to see another join those of us making it happen with True Duals! Great increase in the area we ride. JMO

JW
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Black Diamond on April 29, 2010, 06:33:41 PM
Compared your before / after results again. Man, that's a great improvement. Nice that your comp is not too high at 10.2 - 1. Very nice build.

JW
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: dep47 on April 30, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
This is my first time to do any dyno work, or tuners, and I am very satisfied with the results.  Work was done by Victoria Harley Davidson and tuned by the owner Tim,  Installed Arlen Ness AC, V&H True Duals with Monster Ovals and the PC tuner.  My criteria was to improve performance and cool the bike while maintaining my fuel economy at cruising speed.  The bike runs great and my mileage is till 38 to 40 MPG.  Heat on my right leg is gone, and temperature dose not exceed 222 degrees.   The only thing I am still getting used to is the much louder sound of the exhaust.  Turner told me he could do a better job of tuning with the True Duals then the power duals because he could tune each cylinder independently.  I went with his recommendation, and if I lost some torque, I am not missing it.

HP 92.57
Torque 109.29

Title: Just got home from the Dyno.
Post by: smkblwr on August 20, 2010, 08:32:56 PM
Well just got home from the dyno. I am please with the numbers for just adding a Fat Cat, stage1 with Zippers tall air filter, and a Pro Super Tuner, 93.47Hp and 106.26tq. that will keep me happy for a bit hahahah already looking at a stage 4 kit. hahah just wanted to share
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Tom149 on August 21, 2010, 02:08:24 AM
Compared your before / after results again. Man, that's a great improvement. Nice that your comp is not too high at 10.2 - 1. Very nice build.

JW

Thanks Black Diamond, it is very streetable, starts easily, no pinging, with plenty of torque right in the rpm range that we ride most of the time.

Tom
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: firebike on August 23, 2010, 12:22:25 PM
09 110 AMS Head Work, Woods TW-7 Cam, D&D Fat Cat, SE Heavy Breather, SERT
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on August 23, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
this is d-d fatcats,custom cam,ventalator aircleaner,and thundermax  .love the outcome
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Black Diamond on August 23, 2010, 09:37:29 PM
this is d-d fatcats,custom cam,ventalator aircleaner,and thundermax  .love the outcome

Nice! And the custom cam is??  :nixweiss:

JW
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: SBB on August 23, 2010, 10:10:15 PM
Nice! And the custom cam is??  :nixweiss:

JW


What he said?

SBB
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Twolanerider on August 23, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Nice! And the custom cam is??  :nixweiss:

JW


What he said?

SBB

Shhhhhh, it's a secret.  Notice all the redacted info at the bottom of the dyno sheet.  Special chit there.  Oh god..... it'll be on WikiLeaks in a month :o !
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Para Bellum on August 26, 2010, 07:17:30 PM
This is my first time to do any dyno work, or tuners, and I am very satisfied with the results.  Work was done by Victoria Harley Davidson and tuned by the owner Tim,  Installed Arlen Ness AC, V&H True Duals with Monster Ovals and the PC tuner.  My criteria was to improve performance and cool the bike while maintaining my fuel economy at cruising speed.  The bike runs great and my mileage is till 38 to 40 MPG.  Heat on my right leg is gone, and temperature dose not exceed 222 degrees.   The only thing I am still getting used to is the much louder sound of the exhaust.  Turner told me he could do a better job of tuning with the True Duals then the power duals because he could tune each cylinder independently.  I went with his recommendation, and if I lost some torque, I am not missing it.

HP 92.57
Torque 109.29

Looks good--TQ over 100 from 2400 to 4800 rpm--must be fun.


Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: dep47 on August 27, 2010, 11:53:03 AM
Lots of fun, always looking for something to pass.  Pulls great even two up loaded. Did a 7200 mile trip this year, and never missed a beat.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: roadking71865 on August 27, 2010, 12:05:33 PM
99.93 HP
113.42 TQ
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on September 12, 2010, 08:31:09 AM
Shhhhhh, it's a secret.  Notice all the redacted info at the bottom of the dyno sheet.  Special chit there.  Oh god..... it'll be on WikiLeaks in a month :o !
    Cams were a special design for 110,s
Title: Dyno results
Post by: Kansas Old Guy on October 31, 2011, 08:26:27 AM
Picked up my bike Saturday after the tune.  Welcome any comments on the results, really don't know how this compares to other tunes.  I also put the Anderson plate on, moved the tour pak back the shortest distance and took my bsr for a ride.  We need to take a longer trip, but she seemed pleased with the results.  Put the chrome speaker trims on and cleaned up the inner fairing, but now, the radio looks like an after thought!  Sheesh.
Title: 2012 Ultra CVO fresh off the Dyno
Post by: Clone on February 10, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
This is with JUST the power duals and the Vance n Hines Hi Output mufflers, nothing else



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CKwN16FdWM





Did the full Dyno, didnt want to mess around with a canned map

100.4 HP and 121 ft lbs of torque

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a471/JCarver05/dyno2012.jpg)





Only got about 100 miles on her because of the cold, but wow is she a runner
Title: Re: 2012 Ultra CVO fresh off the Dyno
Post by: Skillet on February 10, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Man that was some sweet sounding music.
Title: Re: 2012 Ultra CVO fresh off the Dyno
Post by: Clone on February 10, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
Man that was some sweet sounding music.

thanks I am pretty happy with it!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: CVOThunder on February 14, 2012, 01:28:04 PM
UPDATE!!! Switched to "quiet baffles" from "performance baffles" with my Rinehart True Duals plus a retune and I picked up about 25 ft/lbs of torque at 2200 rpm while reaching 100 ft/lbs at that rpm. What an improvement over the "performance baffles" where I didn't reach 100 ft/lbs until about 3250 rpm.

I now have alot more area under the curve with 100 ft/lbs or more of torque from 2200 to 4700 rpm. I lost some at the top end, but with an 885 lb. bagger, I think the overall change in the torque curve was well worth the tradeoff. The bike is alot more responsive and alot more fun to ride. The "seat of your pants dyno" difference is amazing.

Do these quiet baffles come with the pipes or purchased seperately? Kind of a dumb question since spare parts like that rarely are included. My original pipes are still in the box from when I went to Rineharts and I never opened them to check. I better put that on my list. Glad that these helped.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: petewerner on February 14, 2012, 01:37:40 PM
Here is my 103 with SE 255's V&H Power Duals, V&H H.O. Mufflers, and SE Ventilator...
Non CVO!!!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: crackers on June 01, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
I had them run both the SAE and STD. I will show the SAE which is the lowest and show first run and last.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/Crackers1/2012/carterfirstsae.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/Crackers1/2012/carterfinalsae.jpg)
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on June 01, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Nice numbers, the only concern might be the roughness of the graph even with smoothing 5.   It is a little choppy for my liking and the your a/f drops to 12 at 2500 at WOT.   Tuner worked most of the dip you had there out at 3500 rpm.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: crackers on June 01, 2012, 04:19:53 PM
Tuner is going through a learning curve with the TTS. This will all be worked out as time goes by. I am not being charged for the dyno time so for now I'm cool with it and I have a couple experts helping with working out the kinks
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Cyclegirl on June 02, 2012, 06:31:21 AM
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg488/cyclegirl11/1a51aa5d.jpg)

Improved from 80.07 power to 97.40! But was really happy with the torque going from 95.77 to 113.44. Really throws you back at acceleration
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on June 02, 2012, 06:01:23 PM
Cyclegirl,

Looks great,  bet it's a lot of fun to ride.


Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: crackers on June 15, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
New dyno and new guy running it. Trained by Doc.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: HD120R on February 07, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
Here are the #s on my new toy. 2008 FLHTCUSE3 w/ 120R motor. Just got the bike and took the motor off of my 08 FXDF. The HP isn't as high on this one but the Torque is close.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: TechMerc on February 18, 2013, 02:24:41 AM
Absolutely stock 2013 FLHTCUSE8 -

HP 85
Torque 102


Title: Re: Dyno Numbers?
Post by: Teemo Supremo on November 15, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
Fuel Moto just finished my 113 built. Yee Ha!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: RayK on November 16, 2016, 10:11:16 AM
2013 CVO Ultra, stock except for Fullsac DX pipe with 2.0 cores with screens and TTS tuner.
Max torque 110.75 max power 93.27.   Goes good.
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: BADRDE on February 24, 2017, 03:34:27 AM
My numbers on my bike, 2011 flhtcuse6, when I got it in end of August.  94hp,114 ftlbs. Torque. She going in tonight to have the 117 kit put on her but with 10.7:1 pistons. My True duals will hurt my final numbers but I bet she sound beast!
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: Unbalanced on February 24, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
New dyno and new guy running it. Trained by Doc.

Crackers,

Dyno looks better than the first one, it looks like you may have either some small clutch slippage or wheel hop going on.   If the tuner has the files from your runs you may ask that he print out a run to show how the clutch was holding up.   
Title: Re: Dyno Numbers
Post by: FLTRI on February 24, 2017, 01:26:39 PM
My numbers on my bike, 2011 flhtcuse6, when I got it in end of August.  94hp,114 ftlbs. Torque. She going in tonight to have the 117 kit put on her but with 10.7:1 pistons. My Ture duals will hurt my final numbers but I bet she sound beast!
Rule of thumb... The bigger the engine the less true duals lose over 2into1 exhausts. Also the more cam overlap the worse true duels work at lower rpms as compared to 2into1.
Also, a good true dual will compete directly for max power with a 2into1 design.
Bob