Topic: CVO patch and MC clubs (Read 9111 times)

Paulsmerc · « **on:** December 16, 2013, 03:07:15 PM »

Has anyone on here ever had any problems wearing the CVO patch while riding, in my area certain MC clubs will challenge a new patch on the scene and I am not sure whether to chance it or not.

owl893 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:19:37 PM »

typically "Bikers" as opposed to "motorcycle enthusiasts" claim geographical territories. A CVO is a hybrid Harley Davidson, I would think they would claim your bike before your patch. During Bike Week in Daytona, Boot Hill Saloon used to require customers to turn their vests inside out, even if they were not "Club" related. "No names, no colors, no weapons, no attitudes." Things seem less confrontational now, everyone just wants to have a good time. Our CVO patches shouldn't "threaten" anyone, anywhere, including the UK.

OWL

naitram · « **Reply #2 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:20:28 PM »

as a single patch with no separated top or bottom rocker and no MC cube you should not be bothered by anyone

Digital · « **Reply #3 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:25:54 PM »

What CVO Patch? - Like a dumb ass I should have just searched first. Found it.

Paulsmerc · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:31:18 PM »

I belong to a car club and a few of us with bikes were wearing our car club jackets and were told by local chapter of a worldwide MC club not to wear them while riding our bikes. So now I like to check first.

naitram · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:32:44 PM »

what was on the car club jacket that they did not like?

StrokedRider · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:41:01 PM »

I don't believe there is a "One Rule" on "Flying Colors". I have never had a firm "Take it off". Last time I was asked not to fly I was in the local VFW and it was mentioned that the Commander would prefer to not see my colors worn. The time before that I was given a support shirt and told to "Wear That"! I guess it's how the idea of "Colors" is perceived.

Paulsmerc · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:51:42 PM »

Our jacket has 2 hotrod cars with the club name in an arch over the top with the words- "Classic, Custom & American" under it, there is no mention of motorcycles or bikers anywhere yet the told us there would be trouble if they saw us wearing them while riding, I even offered to go to their club house to explain what our club was all about but they weren't interested.

naitram · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2013, 03:53:14 PM »

could have been the top rocker bothered them

porthole · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2013, 04:09:38 PM »

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 16, 2013, 03:51:42 PM

Our jacket has 2 hotrod cars with the club name in an arch over the top with the words- "Classic, Custom & American" under it, there is no mention of motorcycles or bikers anywhere yet the told us there would be trouble if they saw us wearing them while riding

"club" colors with issues should be the 3 piece design.
Top rocker (club name)
main patch (club graphic)
bottom rocker (locale, typically)

And we are an "internet" "group". Group being the key word. And it specifically states we are a group on the patch.

Our CVO patch does not come close to meeting that criteria.

Harley and the HOG has a two patch color for a riding "group" so it fails the MC 3 piece patch issue as well.

Now if you went and put a state rocker under the HOG patch ......................

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 16, 2013, 03:51:42 PM

I even offered to go to their club house to explain what our club was all about but they weren't interested.

That is not surprising and is a lot more difficult to arrange then you would think.

For your area, if you really wanted to get a clarification, try and get in touch with the CoC for your area.
Confederation of Clubs.

Good luck with that though.

Paulsmerc · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2013, 04:56:03 PM »

Don't want to get into it anymore, we have just told our members it is better not to wear car club jackets while riding and left it at that.

Does anyone combine hog with CVO, say the CVO patch with a HOG chapter top rocker ??

gadgetz · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2013, 05:15:11 PM »

Disclaimer! I'm no expert

That said, I've never seen a H.O.G. Chapter name above anything other than the approved H.O.G. National patch. You might wear a small CVO patch somewhere on your clothing other than the center of the back.

The large patches in the center of the back typically by themselves aren't as big a deal as the rockers people place above or below them.

As mentioned H.O.G. went through a great deal in the U.S. getting their patch accepted by the MC's. You should never see a lower rocker with a H.O.G. patch.

FLHTCUSE7 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2013, 05:49:40 PM »

HOG has the chapter and city on the top rocker. (Picture is not me, it's from the www)

OlDog · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2013, 06:14:55 PM »

HOG does indeed have "bottom" rockers such as road captain, photographer, membership officer, etc. I have 3 under my HOG patch with the local top rocker.

Fired00d · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2013, 07:22:06 PM »

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 16, 2013, 04:56:03 PM

Don't want to get into it anymore, we have just told our members it is better not to wear car club jackets while riding and left it at that.

Does anyone combine hog with CVO, say the CVO patch with a HOG chapter top rocker ??

Don't think I've seen that... then again I've never heard of the situation you are describing. I own/wear a CVO Large patch on one of my vests and have never had any problems. Best I can tell you if you are experiencing problems in your area and you want to avoid them then don't wear one of the CVO patches.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

grayghost731 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2013, 08:00:43 PM »

Maybe they just don't like the way you guys roll

Maybe one of your guys started some chit one night and has a short memory

Maybe they think your mocking them wearing your hot rod vests

who no's

Good Luck!

FLHTCUSE7 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2013, 08:03:16 PM »

Quote from: OlDog on December 16, 2013, 06:14:55 PM

HOG does indeed have "bottom" rockers such as road captain, photographer, membership officer, etc. I have 3 under my HOG patch with the local top rocker.

But not on the back patch? That's just on the front of the HOG "Costume" if I recall correctly.

2k · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2013, 08:03:30 PM »

1% clubs started the support T shirts to get around the "No Colors" rule. Didn't work for long as most places just added "No Colors" "No Attitudes" "No Support Shirts" to their list. As someone stated earlier, this is becoming less & less an issue.

Steve_G · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2013, 09:00:12 PM »

What percentage of the biker universe are CVO riders?
Maybe we could wear 2% patches?

deldago · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2013, 09:51:49 PM »

Quote from: Steve G on December 16, 2013, 09:00:12 PM

What percentage of the biker universe are CVO riders?
Maybe we could wear 2% patches?

I like that,I want to be a 2%er!

StrokedRider · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2013, 10:59:30 AM »

I have one of these I wear from time to time. In the 99% world it is hilarious. In the 1% world it has been described as an insult and a "Wanna Be".

http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server5200/bpkxa/products/30/images/118/DSC_0113__16559.1345313179.1280.1280.jpg

Just sayin!

Rooster · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2013, 11:02:45 AM »

Nice shirt

owl893 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2013, 11:03:40 AM »

I CAN DEFINATELY RELATE. Too funny, thanks,

OWL

Steve_G · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2013, 12:09:20 PM »

OK, sure there's the 1% deal, but how about the Fat Free Skim 0% Chapter!

Paulsmerc · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2013, 03:55:10 PM »

Seeing as it originates from "99% of bikers are decent, law abiding citizens" (the balance is where the 1% comes from) maybe we should be wearing 99% patches.

OlDog · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2013, 05:37:18 PM »

Quote from: Rotarywing on December 16, 2013, 08:03:16 PM

But not on the back patch? That's just on the front of the HOG "Costume" if I recall correctly.

There is no requirement to place them on the front, they are shaped to match with the bottom of the HOG patch. Granted I don't have the large HOG patch and the bottom rockers are sized for the small one. just the same they are available.

Beemer · « **Reply #26 on:** December 18, 2013, 08:27:40 AM »

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 16, 2013, 03:07:15 PM

Has anyone on here ever had any problems wearing the CVO patch while riding, in my area certain MC clubs will challenge a new patch on the scene and I am not sure whether to chance it or not.

If your local rumor is indeed true, it's possible whoever was offended was not up to date with the intricacies of biker gang patch etiquette.

Pick any group and no matter how exclusive or how thorough the group is when vetting prospective members, there will always be a small percentage of idiots that slip through.

Beemer

WVHoop · « **Reply #27 on:** December 18, 2013, 06:28:04 PM »

Like a bunch of kids whining about patches? I mean come on, if they're that chickensh!t about what someone wears, I can promise ya that I've got no time for that BS or the ones that are spreading it. I'll wear what I want to wear.

2018_FLTRXSE · « **Reply #28 on:** December 18, 2013, 06:59:44 PM »

Quote from: gadgetz on December 16, 2013, 05:15:11 PM

Disclaimer! I'm no expert

That said, I've never seen a H.O.G. Chapter name above anything other than the approved H.O.G. National patch. You might wear a small CVO patch somewhere on your clothing other than the center of the back.

The large patches in the center of the back typically by themselves aren't as big a deal as the rockers people place above or below them.

As mentioned H.O.G. went through a great deal in the U.S. getting their patch accepted by the MC's. You should never see a lower rocker with a H.O.G. patch.

Exactly...

Quote from: OlDog on December 16, 2013, 06:14:55 PM

HOG does indeed have "bottom" rockers such as road captain, photographer, membership officer, etc. I have 3 under my HOG patch with the local top rocker.

There are no bottom rockers... they are all curved in the top fashion.

I have seen remakes from some chapters with peoples names, etc. These are not official HOG patches.

This screeshot is off the norscot website (supplier for HOG)

dlaws01 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 18, 2013, 07:09:20 PM »

Quote from: WVHoop on December 18, 2013, 06:28:04 PM

Like a bunch of kids whining about patches? I mean come on, if they're that chickensh!t about what someone wears, I can promise ya that I've got no time for that BS or the ones that are spreading it. I'll wear what I want to wear.

X2

the jacobite · « **Reply #30 on:** December 18, 2013, 07:46:14 PM »

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 16, 2013, 03:07:15 PM

Has anyone on here ever had any problems wearing the CVO patch while riding, in my area certain MC clubs will challenge a new patch on the scene and I am not sure whether to chance it or not.

yip same up here not allowed patch on the back with or without rockers, the exception being Hog chapters

FLHTCUSE7 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 18, 2013, 09:40:10 PM »

They don't have bottom rockers. A bottom rocker is u-shaped.

Quote from: OlDog on December 16, 2013, 06:14:55 PM

HOG does indeed have "bottom" rockers such as road captain, photographer, membership officer, etc. I have 3 under my HOG patch with the local top rocker.

Paulsmerc · « **Reply #32 on:** December 19, 2013, 03:35:33 AM »

Quote from: Beemer on December 18, 2013, 08:27:40 AM

If your local rumor is indeed true, it's possible whoever was offended was not up to date with the intricacies of biker gang patch etiquette.

Pick any group and no matter how exclusive or how thorough the group is when vetting prospective members, there will always be a small percentage of idiots that slip through.

Beemer

The person offended was the president of the local HA, I am not going to argue with them as I have seen the results (another club shut down by them)

2018_FLTRXSE · « **Reply #33 on:** December 27, 2013, 12:05:48 AM »

Quote from: Paulsmerc on December 19, 2013, 03:35:33 AM

The person offended was the president of the local HA, I am not going to argue with them as I have seen the results (another club shut down by them)

I notice you're in the UK. Thats probably where the difference is... I know in Australia it is the same... the outlaw clubs dont let anyone ride with any kind of patch.

HOG went to great lengths to get the 1% clubs to agree to leave the HOG's alone, and in return there is no bottom rocker with HOG patches. Any bottom rocker you see is not sanctioned by HOG and the rider wears it at his/her own risk.

spada84 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 27, 2013, 12:50:52 AM »

Quote from: 2012_FLTRXSE on December 27, 2013, 12:05:48 AM

I notice you're in the UK. Thats probably where the difference is... I know in Australia it is the same... the outlaw clubs dont let anyone ride with any kind of patch.

HOG went to great lengths to get the 1% clubs to agree to leave the HOG's alone, and in return there is no bottom rocker with HOG patches. Any bottom rocker you see is not sanctioned by HOG and the rider wears it at his/her own risk.

A local HOG member made a patch with his nick-name for a matching bottom rocker. He was told in no uncertain terms to remove it.

2018_FLTRXSE · « **Reply #35 on:** December 27, 2013, 01:48:31 AM »

Quote from: spada84 on December 27, 2013, 12:50:52 AM

A local HOG member made a patch with his nick-name for a matching bottom rocker. He was told in no uncertain terms to remove it.

Exactly...

kraut · « **Reply #36 on:** December 28, 2013, 12:00:07 PM »

Club habits and attitudes can be very different even within one country, additionally they are subject to constant changes. Whereas in Saxony - today! - nobody will be challenged for whatever he cares to wear on his back, already 100 m further north in Brandenburg or around Magdeburg you can get in real trouble for any sort of patch some local club chooses to dislike. And just some years ago some crazy kids even around here used a shotgun to disposess an uncooperative patch holder.

As I travel much and in several countries, I don't wear any patch. I don't need any dispute about such things, especially not in a foreign country. When visiting a church in spanish or polish countryside I would not go topless either

If you are not a MC member why would you want to look even remotely like one, btw?

owl893 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 28, 2013, 12:38:08 PM »

Hans,

The phrase "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand" comes to mind, but since you asked the question I will attempt a response. Our vests, pins, patches, etc. are about pride. Pride in our choice of motorcycle, pride in the years we have owned, pride in the many places we have gone, pride in our common bond which is the motorcycle experience. Given your level of participation here, I can see you too share these values.

I do not wear my vest(s) to intimidate or threaten others, I wear them to show this pride and (hopefully) to introduce myself to others. Many times I've had someone (I don't know) say "Hey I see you went to the Maggie Valley State Rally" or remark about one of my destination pins or patches that I have. Why hardcore MC clubs would find this a threat I do not understand, but then bullies in groups do irrational things all the time with or without club affiliation; reference our recent incident involving a bunch of thrill riders beating up a guy in front of his wife and daughter.

A vest or jacket that displays these values are not an attempt to look like a Gang Member, and to tell you the truth, the Gang Members that I know, could care less. As previously noted, add bottom rockers and/or a territory, then yes, you are asking for trouble.

OWL

Chains · « **Reply #38 on:** December 28, 2013, 01:45:32 PM »

Maybe Clay could fill us in on protocol. Oh crap I forgot he got waisted.

1sharprdkg · « **Reply #39 on:** December 29, 2013, 07:21:58 PM »

Quote from: StrokedRider on December 17, 2013, 10:59:30 AM

I have one of these I wear from time to time. In the 99% world it is hilarious. In the 1% world it has been described as an insult and a "Wanna Be".

http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server5200/bpkxa/products/30/images/118/DSC_0113__16559.1345313179.1280.1280.jpg

Just sayin!

I'm in this club, just don't have the T-shirt!!lol

T-Roy · « **Reply #40 on:** December 29, 2013, 08:58:28 PM »

Quote from: WVHoop on December 18, 2013, 06:28:04 PM

Like a bunch of kids whining about patches? I mean come on, if they're that chickensh!t about what someone wears, I can promise ya that I've got no time for that BS or the ones that are spreading it. I'll wear what I want to wear.

X3

Author Topic: CVO patch and MC clubs (Read 9111 times)

FLHTCUSE7

FLHTCUSE7

FLHTCUSE7