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CVO Social => In The News => Topic started by: AMEDD_SFC on August 24, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
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With the rumors of equipping new CVOs with the forthcoming 120 ST, I thought this article was interesting.
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-harley-davidson-2016-lineup-20150821-story.html?ref=yfp (http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-harley-davidson-2016-lineup-20150821-story.html?ref=yfp)
At best, maybe it's a sign that they will upgrade. At worst, it's just another example of how CVOs are no longer that "special".
M
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The next CVO will be a 116 CI not a 120 . it will be a late intro. The 120 is just to much of a 110 with quality parts. A company that has cam problems to save 50 cents on a bearing will not use quality parts on any bike not even a CVO. The new motor will have variable cam timing and maybe even direct injection 11.5 compression. All of the changes will be for EPA and carb. The motor will not pass Carb testing yet and will be dalayed maybe a early 2017
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Either you know something we don't, but I sure hope your correct! I never really understood this 120 cu/in thing. Harley needs to move forward with something NEW!!!
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Just adding more cubic inches isn't a viable answer. The 110 is already beyond the original Twin Cam design limits, and just punching it out even more to win a cubic inch war with the competition isn't going to be a good thing for the consumers, especially with Harley's penchant for ever cheaper parts and processes already killing reliability at the current size.
As for the rumor of direct injection, high compression, variable cam timing, etc., I'll believe it only if someone other than H-D actually designs and builds it. H-D doesn't have the talent to pull it off; they haven't even been able to copy the stuff that the auto industry has had for decades without creating huge problems for the consumers. And I seriously doubt they would spend the money for a top notch engine filled with that kind of technology, if they won't even spend fifty cents for better bearings in the current design.
Jerry
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The next CVO will be a 116 CI not a 120. [Citation Needed]
it will be a late intro. [Citation Needed]
The 120 is just too much of a 110 with quality parts. [?]
The new motor will have variable cam timing [Citation Needed]
maybe even direct injection 11.5 compression. [Citation Needed]
The motor will not pass Carb testing yet and will be delayed maybe a early 2017 [Citation Needed]
:bs flag:
A lot of declarative statements presented as statements of fact.
I believe this is just your wish list.
I'd be interested to see (any) back up for any of your claims?
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Just adding more cubic inches isn't a viable answer. The 110 is already beyond the original Twin Cam design limits, and just punching it out even more to win a cubic inch war with the competition isn't going to be a good thing for the consumers, especially with Harley's penchant for ever cheaper parts and processes already killing reliability at the current size.
As for the rumor of direct injection, high compression, variable cam timing, etc., I'll believe it only if someone other than H-D actually designs and builds it. H-D doesn't have the talent to pull it off; they haven't even been able to copy the stuff that the auto industry has had for decades without creating huge problems for the consumers. And I seriously doubt they would spend the money for a top notch engine filled with that kind of technology, if they won't even spend fifty cents for better bearings in the current design.
Jerry
I agree with your second paragraph. H-D has gone "All In" on the low-cost parts sourcing (China) along with cheap labor (temps/ casuals). So we got junk parts assembled by people that don't care because they aren't employees of the company and can be dumped at any time. What a business model! We are seeing the result. The CVO moniker is becoming meaning less. Just a way of ripping off the consumer. Not this guy. I'm keeping my '10 FLSTSE. If they don't have the talent to design a powerplant with the latest technology then all they can do is just punch out the current mill. Or go back to a single cam motor???
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Just adding more cubic inches isn't a viable answer. The 110 is already beyond the original Twin Cam design limits, and just punching it out even more to win a cubic inch war with the competition isn't going to be a good thing for the consumers, especially with Harley's penchant for ever cheaper parts and processes already killing reliability at the current size.
As for the rumor of direct injection, high compression, variable cam timing, etc., I'll believe it only if someone other than H-D actually designs and builds it. H-D doesn't have the talent to pull it off; they haven't even been able to copy the stuff that the auto industry has had for decades without creating huge problems for the consumers. And I seriously doubt they would spend the money for a top notch engine filled with that kind of technology, if they won't even spend fifty cents for better bearings in the current design.
Jerry
I was wondering, I know I have the 2006 Ultra CVO with the 103 cubic inch. I understand people wanting bigger cubic inches to brag about this and hp that, but my bike flys!! I can barely hold on when I get on it.. I tell yo what Id rather sacrifice cubic inches for reliability.
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:bs flag:
A lot of declarative statements presented as statements of fact.
I believe this is just your wish list.
I'd be interested to see (any) back up for any of your claims?
X2
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So the new "Street" line is credited with the companies latest success??? Bull Excreta!! I wonder how many they have sold?
I am less and less inclined to buy any more Harleys. My next bike will be a Cheiftain for the wife. CVO is nice and all but if I buy another I'd rather spend the extra $15k for one off paint and real motor work and i am over the everything has to be chromed thing.
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Where are all of these "street" models. I am out riding all the time and frequent the bike nights and I never see them. Are they all broke down??
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Where are all of these "street" models. I am out riding all the time and frequent the bike nights and I never see them. Are they all broke down??
Go visit a stealer... You just MIGHT find a few (or a LOT) sitting on the floor. Or maybe they still have them in the back in their shipping crates...
Ken