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Twin Cool or Not
« on: August 21, 2018, 10:29:57 PM »

Does anyone know the reason some of the M-8 bikes have twin cool and some do not. I have a 2015 CVO twin cam with twin cool and think it works very ( that is when the water pump is not craped out). Even some of the new CVO's do not
 have it. My local dealership told me the reasoning is front tire diameter and lower fitment but it doesn't make sense the factory would build some with it some without.

I have been thinking of trading for new bike but the RG model I am looking at does not have twin cooled.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2018, 01:54:49 AM »

Only a guess:  Oil cooling keeps the visuals clean; no lower fairings needed.  Also, in the past (most years), only the models with stock Tour-Pak came with lowers.

When compared to twin-cooled, the oil-cooled bikes reduce weight and complexity.  That saves HD money on assembly line.  It saves consumers money on maintenance, too, although we know HD doesn't care about us, lol.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2018, 08:12:39 AM »


Twin Cooled is more complex and more expensive than oil cooled.  I'd love to see some third party testing to see which system is most effective at keeping head temps in a tightly controlled range, but so far I haven't seen anything.  I'm pretty sure Twin Cooled would be a clear winner.  Btw, if you wind up buying one of the oil cooled models, I highly recommend you add the oil cooler fan if it doesn't come standard.  It should have been standard from the beginning, but as we all know it wasn't.  Oil coolers don't do much for you in stop and go traffic or plodding along at low speeds.

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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2018, 02:47:13 PM »

Thank you for the resposes. I had theory the M-8 had more valve seat area to carry heat to the heads and the twin cooling wasn t needed but since they make both depending on model it doesn’t make sence.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 02:56:27 PM »

The only twin cooled bikes appear to be the Ultras and the CVO Street Glide. All have lower fairings required for the radiators. Heavier bikes... greater engine load... more heat.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2018, 10:47:41 AM »

The only twin cooled bikes appear to be the Ultras and the CVO Street Glide. All have lower fairings required for the radiators. Heavier bikes... greater engine load... more heat.
The 18-19 street glides are not twin cooled just oil cooled they claim they don’t need them because the new bikes run cooler.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2018, 10:56:52 AM »

The whole concept of adding coolant to a Harley v-twin, this hybrid air/water cooled engine, is just bizarre (not to mention unreliable).  Either go all in on water cooling (V Rod) or keep it off.  Just seems like an afterthought.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2018, 11:21:57 AM »

The 18-19 street glides are not twin cooled just oil cooled they claim they don’t need them because the new bikes run cooler.

The 2019 CVO Street Glide is Twin Cooled according to the HD Site. It has lowers for certain, and what looks to be a water pump cover instead of the oil cooler. Could be a misprint as that has happened before......
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »

The 18-19 street glides are not twin cooled just oil cooled they claim they don’t need them because the new bikes run cooler.
I see that the 2018`s were not twin cooled. But the Harley website lists the new, 2019 CVO Street Glide as being twin cooled. I have not seen one yet.

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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2018, 12:14:26 PM »


The specs page does not call the 2019 SESG Twin Cooled, and the photo from the site I've cropped and attached to this post clearly shows the oil cooler of an oil cooled model.

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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2018, 12:16:31 PM »

I see that the 2018`s were not twin cooled. But the Harley website lists the new, 2019 CVO Street Glide as being twin cooled. I have not seen one yet.

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Unless they have completely redesigned the radiators/fans/plumbing and have them vented different, I don't see any evidence of twin cooling on the '19 CVO Street Glide.  There are speakers in the lowers on the SG, however.  The '19 CVO Road Glide doesn't have lowers.  There is the old, familiar venting on the CVO Limited so twin cooling there for sure.

Don't know what's going on there, Greg.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2018, 12:49:01 PM »

Me too neither but seeing the area grc blew up it does look like a cooler to these tired eyes..

I was going by what is clearly listed right below that picture on their site...

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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2018, 01:47:35 PM »

Looking at the pics, if they are twin cooled (wet heads) there is no side vent from the lower fairings to by the speakers to allow air flow over a radiator.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 06:42:24 PM »

No vents in this one.
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Re: Twin Cool or Not
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 08:00:47 PM »

Is oil routed through passages around the exhuast valves luke the coolent is on wet heads?
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