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Harley reducing production
« on: April 24, 2015, 02:27:34 PM »

Harley just announced it was reducing production during the next few quarters to preserve their "premium brand" and keep the prices up (Wall Street Journal April 21st, 2015.) Supposedly their new strategy to fight large discounts by Polaris (Indian) and other competitors.
I wonder how that is going to impact CVO production...and value...
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2015, 02:36:25 PM »

Interesting, I can't wait to see how this effects the brand.
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2015, 02:50:38 PM »

Harley just announced it was reducing production during the next few quarters to preserve their "premium brand" and keep the prices up. Supposedly their new strategy to fight large discounts by Polaris (Indian) and other competitors.
I wonder how that is going to impact CVO production...and value...

Could you post the source of your information JP?  I would like to read the entire deal. 
I'm sure the MoCo's press line explanation of reduced production states what you posted.  However, let me read between the line just a bit here.  How many of us here on the site know one, two or more dealers with LOTS of leftover new 2014 bikes not to mention unsold 2015s sitting right beside them?  My guess is one of the main reasons of reduced production is to let sales of current inventory catch up a bit.... :nixweiss:
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2015, 02:58:54 PM »

Just modified my post to include the source. Article from the Wall Street Journal from April 21, 2015. You should be able to google it. For sure there is a need to reduce inventory...and quickly... before 2016 models come in...
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2015, 03:04:10 PM »

thank you sir
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2015, 03:08:12 PM »

You are Welcome!
I think you are right as well...they need to sell those bikes quickly before 2106 models hit us!
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2015, 03:42:03 PM »

Harley just announced it was reducing production during the next few quarters to preserve their "premium brand" and keep the prices up (Wall Street Journal April 21st, 2015.) Supposedly their new strategy to fight large discounts by Polaris (Indian) and other competitors.
I wonder how that is going to impact CVO production...and value...



Please remember that the Annual Dealer meeting usually takes place in late July to early August.
 This is where the new models are rolled out and shipments start the following week or two. Of course CVO's may or may not show up in the initial shipments.
SO, to reduce production now means that there really is only 1 more 2015 production quarter remaining. So, slowing down is really a normal process every year. They will start changing over the production line in early July to start making 2016's and staging them for shipping.

Clearing out inventory is a normal process too. How many of us went into our dealers and saw $2,000 or at least $1,500 discounts on the 2014's last year after the 2015's hit the floor?

The "spread" is still large enough to allow the dealers to make a good profit even with that kind of discount.

I think the important thing is that Harley realizes that it is better to closely match production to dealer inventory and customer demand than it is to continue making as many motorcycles as they can, jamming them down the dealers preverbial throats only to see lots and lots of last years models sitting on the floor and not selling.

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Re: Harley reducing production
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2015, 05:31:58 PM »

Well they can't put a Tariff against Polaris LoL but seriously is Vic/Indian selling any even with the discounts???
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2015, 05:53:58 PM »

Since we're running on speculation......it's so they can ramp up early for the 120ST......coupled with letting them get rid of the new 110s sitting on the floor right now.  :P
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2015, 06:43:49 PM »

Since we're running on speculation......it's so they can ramp up early for the 120ST......coupled with letting them get rid of the new 110s sitting on the floor right now.  :P


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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2015, 06:53:33 PM »

Since we're running on speculation......it's so they can ramp up early for the 120ST......coupled with letting them get rid of the new 110s sitting on the floor right now.  :P
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Nah,,,, they're slowing down the line to catch the stupid mistakes like upside shocks and loose bolts along with screwed up paint.
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2015, 11:27:50 PM »

I suspect that much of this is inventory management. The motor trade runs on manufactures financing bikes/cars whilst it's on dealers shop floors for up to 90 days. After that, the dealer will be expected to pay the manufacturer and get their floor stock financed through a bank or other credit facility (a stocking facility). Whilst interest rates are low, not too much of an issue but with the Fed signalling a potential rate rise in the coming quarters, dealers do not want to be stuck with a large stocking facility and see their debt servicing costs go up.

The big challenge for Harley is that their core franchise is getting older and less is being spent on P&A. The Street is clearly a response to that, but will harley be able to move first time Harley buyers up their value chain to the larger engined models and spending on 'customization'. I think the x-wire is a side show, a good one which they can spin off into their twin models, for example, the brakes on a Chevy now are far better because they developed electric powered cars that had no engine breaking, so brakes had to last longer and be more powerful. Good trickle down technology to more traditional vehicles.

Harley still have the time to make the required changes, Rushmore part of that granted. The brand and whole lifestyle is an incredibly valuable asset as I am sure that Polaris is understanding and with over 50% of the US market, Harley have a delicate balancing act to on board the next generation without alienating the cash flow attached to their legacy market place.

Which is why CEO's (good ones anyway) deserve to b rewarded for making long term strategic decisions rather than short term revenue generation to keep the scribblers (analysts and investors) happy.

Just my 2 cents worth to an interesting debate.
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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2015, 07:40:47 AM »



Please remember that the Annual Dealer meeting usually takes place in late July to early August.
This is where the new models are rolled out and shipments start the following week or two. Of course CVO's may or may not show up in the initial shipments.
SO, to reduce production now means that there really is only 1 more 2015 production quarter remaining. So, slowing down is really a normal process every year. They will start changing over the production line in early July to start making 2016's and staging them for shipping.

Clearing out inventory is a normal process too. How many of us went into our dealers and saw $2,000 or at least $1,500 discounts on the 2014's last year after the 2015's hit the floor?

The "spread" is still large enough to allow the dealers to make a good profit even with that kind of discount.

I think the important thing is that Harley realizes that it is better to closely match production to dealer inventory and customer demand than it is to continue making as many motorcycles as they can, jamming them down the dealers preverbial throats only to see lots and lots of last years models sitting on the floor and not selling.

Jerry

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If the 120 ST is going to be introduced. I'm sure it will be on the CVO Models only. With that being said ALL of the 110 models that are sitting on the floor MUST be sold before they roll out the 120. If not they will be sitting a long time. Hell I know a Dealer that had a 2008 CVO that was sitting on the floor for over 2 years. He finally put it in his warehouse and decided to keep it. It still has no miles on it.  So again this is all speculation. But IF the 120 ST is going to be introduced that would not explain the decision to cut back production. Less bikes will mean a lot of bikes no longer sitting on the showroom floor. It will also mean less to choose from. I'm not exactly sure when the Factory shuts downs to retool for the next model year, but it coming up real soon!!!!

Just my thoughts!!!!

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Re: Harley reducing production
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2015, 09:00:47 AM »

HD is cutting back production because their sales are sliding.  I don't think it has anthing to do with a 120.
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