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Title: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on April 13, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
It sure has been quiet regarding the 2017's?? Changes???  Models??  Will they add more liquid cooled bikes? Will there be a SG?? Should be fun to watch what happens this year. Maybe a 120R ??
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on April 13, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
The pool boy must have quit his job...  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SSTuner on April 13, 2016, 12:56:43 PM
Is the 120ST motor to become a reality in the 2017 CVO's?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: CVODON on April 13, 2016, 02:26:17 PM
Someone starts this or a similar thread every year. NO body ever gets it right, why ask.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Smellymo on April 13, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
No one knows until the dealer show. Even dealers. MOCO employees sign non-disclosure agreements at risk of their job, you will know when everyone else does...late August.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bigchuck on April 14, 2016, 08:25:54 AM
Someone starts this or a similar thread every year. NO body ever gets it right, why ask.
X100 (I took the liberty of replying for a few other members of this site. I'm sure I underestimated.)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on April 14, 2016, 10:08:37 AM
 
Wonder who that "someone" is? ::)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on April 14, 2016, 10:25:46 AM
The story in this thread is not what is expected from Harley Davidson in 2017 but that most all of our local dealers still have new 2015's along side the unsold 2016's on their showroom.

So, I predict no new 2017 models....the MoCo takes a year off from manufacturing.  Hey Chevy did it with the Corvette in 1983.. :nixweiss:

Expanding on that prediction, the MoCo will be focusing on motorclothes/accessories/wall prints for the 2017 model year..... ::)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: *58Vette on April 14, 2016, 02:22:38 PM
Chevy really didn't take a year off.  The 1984 were ready early and passed the emissions.  So you just bought the 1984 when the 1983 would have normally been out.  They did it again in 1987 with the pickups; you could buy a brand new 1987 or the newer 1988 body style.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on April 14, 2016, 02:25:46 PM
Chevy really didn't take a year off.  The 1984 were ready early and passed the emissions.  So you just bought the 1984 when the 1983 would have normally been out.

I know, I were jus attempting to be phuny.... ;D

But you can't buy a 1983 Corvette..... :)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on April 14, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
The story in this thread is not what is expected from Harley Davidson in 2017 but that most all of our local dealers still have new 2015's along side the unsold 2016's on their showroom.

So, I predict no new 2017 models....the MoCo takes a year off from manufacturing.  Hey Chevy did it with the Corvette in 1983.. :nixweiss:

Expanding on that prediction, the MoCo will be focusing on motorclothes/accessories/wall prints for the 2017 model year..... ::)

 :2vrolijk_21:  They have a better chance of getting those right than the bikes.  Although now that I rethink that statement, most of the accessories and clothes and other crap all comes from China, so I guess the odds aren't that great on those items either.  What we do know is that prices will go up and customer service will continue to decline.  Everything else is just conjecture.  Since the pool boy retired along with Willy G, the insider information has dried up.  Not that I ever gave a chit.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on April 14, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
I know, I were jus attempting to be phuny.... ;D

But you can't buy a 1983 Corvette..... :)
Wasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on April 14, 2016, 05:36:03 PM
Wasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?

I think '84 and '85 were the only two years with the Cross Ram TB's.  I know in the Camaro with the hood scoops and cross ram, they would fill with water directly when running through car washes.  We had to do a campaign on the hood louvers and stop them from working.  What a fix that was...

I actually saw and drove a '83 when I was down in Warren at the tech center.  It was a training car and it had an '83 VIN.  I also have a couple original Vette brochures with the cutaways and all.  Quite the car in its day.  I much preferred the '80 thru '82 body, but the '84 was certainly slippery in the air.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WVHoop on April 14, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
Every year it's the same thing & the same speculative dribble!! :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on April 14, 2016, 09:08:03 PM
The story in this thread is not what is expected from Harley Davidson in 2017 but that most all of our local dealers still have new 2015's along side the unsold 2016's on their showroom.

So, I predict no new 2017 models....the MoCo takes a year off from manufacturing.  Hey Chevy did it with the Corvette in 1983.. :nixweiss:

Expanding on that prediction, the MoCo will be focusing on motorclothes/accessories/wall prints for the 2017 model year..... ::)

Oh I like where this is going. They shutdown for a year and concentrate on taking the 750cc Adventure Concept Bike to production and compete with the Germans, Japanese and Italians.
  :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on April 14, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
The pool boy must have quit his job...  ;D

It's been a kind of hush hush thing; but the little f&^(er died.  He needed a heart transplant.  Nothing could be found in time to help him so the decision was made to go an artificial heart.  Harley engineers did the R&D.  'nuff said.....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MIKEYTEE on April 14, 2016, 10:33:59 PM
Now y'all keep this real quite and don't pass it on, but the pool boy is back and he  has all the scoop.
You ask how I know, my neighbor across the street has a 3rd cousin who's sister dated the pool boy's 4th cousin 3 times removed. They said The Motor Company had a surprise for the 2017 model year and as soon as they got a hold of the pictures they would forward them to my neighbor' 3rd cousin. I look to have the pictures sometime in May2017 so keep your eyes glued to this thread.
Mike
 :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on April 18, 2016, 07:32:00 AM
Wasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?
Pretty sure the 82 had the crossfire injection.  82 and 84 I am pretty sure were the only years corvette used it. 

There is one 1983 corvette, its in Bowling Green KY at the Corvette museum,  They ran production of the 82 longer than normal, and started the 84 earlier than normal.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Chains on April 18, 2016, 09:31:58 AM
I heard the Chinese are buying MOCO and they will be available at Wallmart in 2017. :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on April 18, 2016, 01:41:13 PM
I heard the Chinese are buying MOCO and they will be available at Wallmart in 2017. :huepfenlol2:

The Walmart near me already has one. It sits out front, you can ride it for a quarter.  :D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on April 18, 2016, 02:00:37 PM
The Walmart near me already has one. It sits out front, you can ride it for a quarter.  :D

I will attest to that (although it's now $.50)....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Bobs14Limited on April 19, 2016, 09:02:13 PM
I think '84 and '85 were the only two years with the Cross Ram TB's.



I had an 85 Vette and it didn't have Cross Fire, it had tuned port injection.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on April 19, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Pretty sure the 82 had the crossfire injection.  82 and 84 I am pretty sure were the only years corvette used it. 

There is one 1983 corvette, its in Bowling Green KY at the Corvette museum,  They ran production of the 82 longer than normal, and started the 84 earlier than normal.

My little grey cells will have to agree with you on '82, now that my mind has been jogged a bit...  Because the "new" F body came out in '82 and the cowl induction was on the first model year new 3rd gen Camaro and it was a crossfire TB setup.

Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on April 19, 2016, 09:22:59 PM
(http://www.ride-ct.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Cartoon.png)
Marketing prototypes
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: RedNose44 on April 25, 2016, 11:06:35 PM

I had an 85 Vette and it didn't have Cross Fire, it had tuned port injection.

Yep. I had both an 84 and an 85. 84 had Crossfire, 85 had Tuned Port. Tuned port was much better BTW.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: KC2GIW on May 02, 2016, 09:52:05 PM
The Walmart near me already has one. It sits out front, you can ride it for a quarter.  :D

Probably a few things out front of wal mart you can ride for a quarter....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: brassspike on May 02, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
I will attest to that (although it's now $.50)....
That's some good stuff right there  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Burgundy Blaze CVO on May 03, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
 :orange: And still nothing new! Guess what boys, I don't care! I am just going to ride what I have!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on May 03, 2016, 10:53:22 AM
:orange: And still nothing new! Guess what boys, I don't care! I am just going to ride what I have!

MEEEEEEE TOOOOOOO unless they come out with a _________________ OH never mind!!!!! This is all Twolanes fault. I think he killed the pool boy!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!


Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on May 03, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
MEEEEEEE TOOOOOOO unless they come out with a _________________ OH never mind!!!!! This is all Twolanes fault. I think he killed the pool boy!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!


Be Safe

THE DAWG

That little bi-atch is dead.  Yeap.   :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on May 03, 2016, 07:55:14 PM
That little bi-atch is dead.  Yeap.   :drink:


Oh crap, but his name was Snow, Juan Snow....  ???
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on May 03, 2016, 09:27:36 PM

Oh crap, but his name was Snow, Juan Snow....  ???

Seance time?   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on May 03, 2016, 09:45:39 PM
Seance time?   :nixweiss:

I don't know.  But if you see a red witch I'm not going in the pool.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on May 03, 2016, 11:15:43 PM
I don't know.  But if you see a red witch I'm not going in the pool.

Coroner said cause of death was the pool boy's compensator failed and then his lifters dropped after he was frustrated with trying to get his Infotainment system GPS to find the nearest HD Kool-aide stand.
Title: CVO 2017
Post by: anzac on July 08, 2016, 05:28:26 PM
Anyone here anything about the 2017 CVOs?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mano on July 08, 2016, 06:11:21 PM
Nope, have not heard anything but what I would like to see is NO MORE FLAMES.

They have put the flames on the CVO SG since 2012. Would like to see something different other than flames.

Oh...and a 120 would be nice.
Title: Re: CVO 2017
Post by: Para Bellum on July 08, 2016, 06:33:16 PM
No flames?  No CVOs.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 08, 2016, 08:57:15 PM
Nope, have not heard anything but what I would like to see is NO MORE FLAMES.

They have put the flames on the CVO SG since 2012. Would like to see something different other than flames.

Oh...and a 120 would be nice.


Puppies are nice!      ;)

Mike
 :drink:


Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 08, 2016, 09:16:02 PM
Nope, have not heard anything but what I would like to see is NO MORE FLAMES.

They have put the flames on the CVO SG since 2012. Would like to see something different other than flames.

Oh...and a 120 would be nice.

Would you prefer skulls instead?  I understand they have a lot of skull stuff leftover from Willy G.'s days.

Jerry ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 08, 2016, 10:15:06 PM

Puppies are nice!      ;)

Mike
 :drink:


Asshole.  That made me spit a little beverage up my nose.  :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on July 08, 2016, 10:51:55 PM
Maybe some baby kittens or bunnies.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 09, 2016, 08:41:18 AM

Puppies are nice!      ;)

Mike
 :drink:

 ;D

Funny enough to be true or vice versa. Dammit. 2 confirmed coffee spews on 1 post.  3 more & you are an Ace.



Add in the kittens and bunnies and the MoCo can have a whole new nursery rhyme line of Mother Goose bikes for the ....nevermind, too depressing, they might actually do this someday.

(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2009/12/imagesbunny-20riding-20motorcycle.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: VaEagle on July 09, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
I'm sure some design expert would say something like the flames convey a sense of motion......but I would rather have a great working drivetrain to convey motion!  :huepfenlol2:

Maybe the flames indicate that the motor runs hot and skulls indicate it will die on you at some point?  :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 09, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
I did hear that the puppies will only be available on the Full Dress CVO Touring Bikes so you will feel all warm and fuzzy. All other models will have as an option bat skin covered mirrors and seats so you can ride " Batchit Crazy ".
Mike
 :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 09, 2016, 04:03:59 PM
I did hear that the puppies will only be available on the Full Dress CVO Touring Bikes so you will feel all warm and fuzzy. All other models will have as an option bat skin covered mirrors and seats so you can ride " Batchit Crazy ".
Mike
 :drink:

 ;D :drink:

??
(http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/batcycle.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 08glide on July 09, 2016, 05:10:01 PM

Puppies are nice!      ;)

Mike
 :drink:
can't believe Jimmy (aka 2k) hasn' chimed in on the puppy mill
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 09, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
Jimmy may be trying to order one!      :o

Mike
 :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on July 09, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: dp on July 09, 2016, 08:17:35 PM
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor  :2vrolijk_21:

Ditto
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 09, 2016, 09:17:05 PM
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor  :2vrolijk_21:

Me too! I want a 17 SERG, with a 117 from the MOCO with some really nice paint and graphics.  MY SERGU doesn't have paint that stands out like the customs do.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SDCVO on July 09, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor  :2vrolijk_21:
God I hope not, would be hard to pass on that..
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 10, 2016, 02:41:21 AM
God I hope not, would be hard to pass on that..

No worries, it won't outrun your bike!  I'm pretty sure about that! :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on July 10, 2016, 09:19:21 AM
standard will be a 110, SE 117
Title: 2017 CVO model lineup, colors and engines !!
Post by: Twolanerider on July 10, 2016, 10:50:52 AM
Just wanted to let everyone know I don't know anything either.  Y'all have a good Sunday.   :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO model lineup, colors and engines !!
Post by: Mr D on July 10, 2016, 10:57:49 AM
Just wanted to let everyone know I don't know anything either.  Y'all have a good Sunday.   :drink:

Don,

News flash... There maybe a Black & they will be V Twins.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO model lineup, colors and engines !!
Post by: Twolanerider on July 10, 2016, 10:59:40 AM
Don,

News flash... There maybe a Black & they will be V Twins.



Sweet !   :drink: :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Nicky Pass on July 10, 2016, 12:36:34 PM
I heard 110s in all touring models and CVOs get 117"s....who knows!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO model lineup, colors and engines !!
Post by: iski on July 10, 2016, 01:13:13 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know I don't know anything either.  Y'all have a good Sunday.   :drink:

Good to know.  My anticipation drops each succeeding year, just like Carly Simon's.....nevermind.   :drink:

(http://www.locatealawyer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/carly_simon.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 10, 2016, 01:23:54 PM
I do know for sure true real straight from the Motor Company. " The tires will be round and not square, as some rumors have stated, and they will be mostly black.  ;D
Mike
 :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 10, 2016, 01:34:49 PM

Tires will be inflated with pure nitrogen at the factory, for an additional charge of course, and only official Harley-Davidson nitrogen must be used to top them off or as a replacement when changing the official Harley-Davidson tires.  Failure to only use official Harley-Davidson nitrogen will be grounds for voiding the warranty and ESP, and if a tire fails the non-use of official Harley-Davidson nitrogen will be blamed for the failure and any resulting crash.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: brassspike on July 11, 2016, 09:46:20 AM
I heard 110s in all touring models and CVOs get 117"s....who knows!
I understand they want the current supply of touring models cleared out. That would support your theory. I'm waiting to see if/what the new street glide will look like. Citrus would be nice. lol  :orange:
No '17 cvo street glide = 117 going in mine.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: jpdchicago on July 22, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
I find it amazing that nothing has leaked yet about new models. How do they do that? We know more about Russia's future nuclear programs than  a bunch of CVO's being released in about a month?
Where do they keep those bikes away from spy shots? Fort Knox?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 22, 2016, 10:37:54 AM
Past HD employees who leaked info on new models have been fired.  MoCo suppliers sign non disclosures that prevent them from leaking info.  Some years a picture or 2 has leaked out of a HD photographer taking brochure pics of the new models.  HD employees sometimes have future changes incorporated into their bikes a year or more prior to release to the public - like the hydraulic clutches. Not that they would share that info. 

The biggest obstacle to not getting good intel on 2017 models has been the silence of The Pool Boy.  Willie G. retired and it appears The Pool Boy is in seclusion these days.  Was hopeful a Mole would emerge but so far, they appear to remain buried.

The new 2017 adjustable windshields and bigger motors and/or a new SOHC motor and 8 speed tranny rumors abound in spite of the dearth of reliable information. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on July 22, 2016, 11:13:49 AM
I find it amazing that nothing has leaked yet about new models. How do they do that? We know more about Russia's future nuclear programs than  a bunch of CVO's being released in about a month?
Where do they keep those bikes away from spy shots? Fort Knox?

Maybe they are following Apple's protocol, they can build millions of iphones with numerous companies involved all over the globe and keep it under wraps somehow.
 
Come to think of it, a lot of Apple's work is done in China, a country that can get away with stricter ultimatums than the US.   :whip:

That would lead one to surmise that HD's are now being built in China, a globalist move to attract more liberal riders.  :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: VaEagle on July 22, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
I find it amazing that nothing has leaked yet about new models. How do they do that? We know more about Russia's future nuclear programs than  a bunch of CVO's being released in about a month?
Where do they keep those bikes away from spy shots? Fort Knox?
Or it may be easier to hide in plain sight when the basic design hasn't changed since 1936..... If seen it could be passed off as a one of custom bike.
Now it would be much harder to make a touring model with a big brother v-rod type motor and changes to the frame and suspension etc. and to keep that hidden.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on July 24, 2016, 01:48:40 AM
The CARB report should be available soon to identify 2017 models and engine sizes; though likely only a few days before the dealer meeting.  The lead time used to be longer, but has been reduced significantly.

H-D area reps recently hinted simply that there would be "more power".  I interpret that to mean more 110s in various standard models, and the likelihood of 117s for CVOs.  We'll know soon.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: greglyon on July 24, 2016, 11:52:17 AM
If you leak new models or new features, you kill the sales of the present model year. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 24, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
I'm still hopin' for a new Servicar......
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 24, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
If you leak new models or new features, you kill the sales of the present model year.

From the amount of inventory on some showroom floors, appears the killing already started without the leaks.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on July 24, 2016, 12:58:52 PM
From the amount of inventory on some showroom floors, appears the killing already started without the leaks.
For sure.  And you'd think there would be discounting to move 'em out but I've not noticed any.

It'll be interesting to see what the 17s look like and come equipped with.  I've sworn more than once that 'this is my last new Harley' so 'never say never' but it would take quite a bit to push me in that direction.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 24, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
On HDForum, rumors of a Sport Glide"?


I would love one!


 :2vrolijk_21:



YB




http://www.autoevolution.com/news/harley-davidson-rumored-to-bring-back-the-sport-glide-108075.html
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 24, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
For sure.  And you'd think there would be discounting to move 'em out but I've not noticed any.

It'll be interesting to see what the 17s look like and come equipped with.  I've sworn more than once that 'this is my last new Harley' so 'never say never' but it would take quite a bit to push me in that direction.

Same thing I have seen.  Used bikes sales seem to be ok some places.  New sales are slow.  The "deal" offered is low or no interest and/or delayed payments.  With interest rates already cheap it reminds me of when bubble gum was a penny and sometimes you got 2 for a penny.  In truth for me is less exciting than that because back then I really liked bubble gum.

If there is a new motor for 2017 that would be of real interest.  Something innovative that has been tested and actually works like it is supposed to when you ride off - might be of real interest too.  If it's gee golly whiz bang spiffy new paint colors with a stripe variation on the same tin - yawn. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 24, 2016, 02:12:32 PM
.............................................................................
If there is a new motor for 2017 that would be of real interest.  Something innovative that has been tested and actually works like it is supposed to when you ride off - might be of real interest too.

:zroflmao:  :zroflmao:

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 24, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
:zroflmao:  :zroflmao:

Jerry

 :huepfenlol2:

Yeah, explains why I have been test riding Indians.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mr D on July 24, 2016, 05:17:35 PM
On HDForum, rumors of a Sport Glide"?


I would love one!


 :2vrolijk_21:

 FXRT ?



YB




http://www.autoevolution.com/news/harley-davidson-rumored-to-bring-back-the-sport-glide-108075.html
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 24, 2016, 06:29:57 PM
There's plenty of pictures and information circulating around the Harley forums, coupled with the fact the Twin Cam is 17 years old, so we know it coming in August.  Really it's a shame, because Moco was just starting to work out all the kinks in the twin cam! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

The Twin Cam is the new Evo! ;D  Hey, what am I laughing about, my CVO is going to be worth two dead flies, come September! :nervous:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 25, 2016, 04:44:14 PM
Well here the latest info on the 2017 models.

We know all about the 107 CI motor. How about the 114 CI motor! Might even have a 131 CI coming too!

Talks about it being kinda half Evo & half Twin cam. Oil cooled on the back half of the heads and water cooled on the front half of the head.

The pictures that I took are too big to upload for some reason. However, if you view from the right side of the motor, you notice NO Oil dipstick, and a steering stablizer n the folks.

Don't believe me, it's all on the site below!

All this is on the Revzilla website.


 :2vrolijk_21:


YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 25, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
 Hope this works!

YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 25, 2016, 04:55:22 PM
Left side of the motor.

YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on July 25, 2016, 09:40:15 PM
A 107 with 4 valves per head, dual plugs, single cam, oil cooling between rockers like my shovel and water cooling? Sounds like Harley put everything in a barrel from the last 40+ years shook the **ll out of it and poof, Milwaukee 8.
Should be interesting to see if the stock 114" version puts out more hp and tq than our 117's.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: motor1 on July 25, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
If you look at the photos, the steering stabilizer is there because it is a Tri-Glide, (the front brake calipers confirm this). Also there is still a dipstick, it just sits lower, and further to the rear.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 25, 2016, 10:43:38 PM
If you look at the photos, the steering stabilizer is there because it is a Tri-Glide, (the front brake calipers confirm this). Also there is still a dipstick, it just sits lower, and further to the rear.
d

Yep

Looks like a Free Wheeler front fender and no engine guard needed...
Looks like a MUCH wider oil/water cooler shroud nearly as wide as inside measurement from floorboard to floorboard , with a flat bottom parallel to the ground....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on July 26, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
No more Cowbell? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bikerboy53 on July 26, 2016, 03:13:55 PM
Just so you don't have to read it from the photo above, here's the path to the Revzilla page:

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/exclusive-leaked-pictures-of-the-new-harley-107-milwaukee-eight-engine
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 26, 2016, 08:31:01 PM
I'm trying to figure out what the highlighted line is going to. Can't tell from the other side of engine.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 26, 2016, 08:52:04 PM
A very uneducated guess would be an oil line related to the oil cooled heads that have been rumored. The Revzilla guy said that the oil feeds from one head to another like last seen in the old shovel head design, so maybe a feed line from the sump to the rear head first, from there to the front head to the filter, cooler and back to the sump. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: NORSEMAN on July 26, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
A very uneducated guess would be an oil line related to the oil cooled heads that have been rumored. The Revzilla guy said that the oil feeds from one head to another like last seen in the old shovel head design, so maybe a feed line from the sump to the rear head first, from there to the front head to the filter, cooler and back to the sump. :nixweiss:
  Yes, I think so.  I wonder if the solid piece between the finned jugs and the chrome rocker cover is a fuel rail? 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 26, 2016, 09:30:31 PM
  Yes, I think so.  I wonder if the solid piece between the finned jugs and the chrome rocker cover is a fuel rail?

Maybe,  :nixweiss:

It could be that oil line between heads. If you look at the picture of the other side you can see a line running out from the front head and going over toward the left front frame down tube. Then in the clearer picture OBB posted you see a line running down that down tube toward the cooler/filter area....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Don't know what the line is (says Captain Obvious) but it looks to be only held on with a squeeze type spring wire clamp.  So whatever it is it enjoy only minimal clamping.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 09:45:54 PM
The line up front appears to have a crimp type wire clamp (like used to be used on the oil lines between the engine and oil pan on the early Twin Cams).  So something with more pressure being maintained.  With the line attached to it going on down the downtube as Shrader pointed out that's very likely oil under pressure.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 09:48:54 PM
That first line discussed behind the rear head goes on after over the starter and on top of the transmission housing. At least that general area.  Maybe to an emissions canister?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 26, 2016, 09:56:32 PM
Boy it's fun to speculate ain't it Don!!! Wish the ol Poolboy was alive cause I'm sure you would have the Scoop!!!!

At least one thing is clear...Those hoses are connected to something' and that something is Nipples, so I'm going to name this engine the "Nipple Head"
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Boy it's fun to speculate ain't it Don!!! Wish the ol Poolboys was alive cause I'm sure you would have the Scoop!!!!

At least one thing is clear...Those hoses are connected to something' and that something is Nipples, so I'm going to name this engine the "Nipple Head"

Amen to that Shrader!  It's weird (a little) when the nipples are in opposition like that.  But I'm still diggin' it; the Harley Nipple Head new for 2017.  I can see the advertising pitch now:

"It's got shapely little bumps on its rockers, four strong valves, one BIG cam and a pair of NiPPles to keep you interested on those long days in the saddle.  The new Harley Nipple Head."   :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
...and at this moment some advertising/copyrighting schmuck at the MoCo is bitch slapping his own bald head and looking for his bottle of adult beverage....  :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 26, 2016, 10:11:01 PM
You wanna be the beta tester!!!! If them Nipples leak you can have your very own personal Wet T shirt Contest, all while riding down your favorite Two Lane road, or you can Pull a Hubbard and do it on your favorite interstate..

For a mere 3K you can augment your Nipple Head with Genuine Screamin Eagle Supersize Nipples for that extra measure of performance and appeal!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 26, 2016, 10:14:53 PM
I'm trying to figure out what the highlighted line is going to.

From what I read, I thought it was a oil line cooling the rear of the heads. And there is a water (antifreeze) line cooling the front of the heads.


Time will tell.


YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2016, 10:17:42 PM
You wanna be the beta tester!!!! If them Nipples leak you can have your very own personal Wet T shirt Contest, all while riding down your favorite Two Lane road, or you can Pull a Hubbard and do it on your favorite interstate..

For a mere 3K you can augment your Nipple Head with Genuine Screamin Eagle Supersize Nipples for that extra measure of performance and appeal!!!!


Oh my gawd I'd not even considered the later availability at egregious extra cost of the "Screamin' Eagle Nipple Enhancement Package."  It boggles the mind!!

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 26, 2016, 10:32:51 PM
Truly Mind Boggling!!!

Will the owners of the new 2017 Nipple Heads collect beads for showing their Nipples???

Will you not be allowed to ride these bikes in certain areas, like within a half mile of a church or school unless you cover your Nipples from view??? Will HD offer Pasties???

Can these Nipples be Pierced with jewelry from the Motorclothes collection????





Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on July 26, 2016, 10:49:12 PM
On another forum, they are called the new camel toe heads.


 :o


YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on July 27, 2016, 09:05:23 AM
I am wondering what kind of special screamin' eagle tool you will need to change those center plugs?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 27, 2016, 10:29:14 AM
I am wondering what kind of special screamin' eagle tool you will need to change those center plugs?

You won't have to change those center plugs, Harley will use the super duper long life plugs tipped with unobtainium that will last 100,000 miles, or twice as long as the rest of the engine.  Changing plugs during overhauls will be recommended.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on July 27, 2016, 11:32:58 AM
You won't have to change those center plugs, Harley will use the super duper long life plugs tipped with unobtainium that will last 100,000 miles, or twice as long as the rest of the engine.  Changing plugs during overhauls will be recommended.

Jerry ;)

Yeah you are correct. most of us cant leave our engines alone long enough to worry about changing plugs. including myself.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: aclass on July 27, 2016, 12:31:08 PM
The line up front appears to have a crimp type wire clamp (like used to be used on the oil lines between the engine and oil pan on the early Twin Cams).  So something with more pressure being maintained.  With the line attached to it going on down the downtube as Shrader pointed out that's very likely oil under pressure.

I see stitches from knuckle to wrist after the first wash job on that clamp. :'(
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: NORSEMAN on July 27, 2016, 12:43:16 PM
From what I read, I thought it was a oil line cooling the rear of the heads. And there is a water (antifreeze) line cooling the front of the heads.


Time will tell.


YB
The article says, “These engines are set up to have the heads both oil- and water-cooled. Oil feeds from the rear rocker box up to the front." 
On the bikes without lowers, no coolant due to no radiators.  I'm thinking the one pictured in the Revzilla article had no lowers, so it illustrates the oil cool only version.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on July 27, 2016, 07:24:26 PM
I guess now that Deeley (prior exclusive Canadian importer for H-D) is gone and dealers in Canada are now working directly with the MoCo, the rumour mill is heating up north of the 49th...

Recently I heard that for 2017 we can look forward to oil cooled heads and a move from 103 to 107 for the standard models, with the CVO's going to 117.

Just wondered if anyone else has heard the same.  :nixweiss:

 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on July 27, 2016, 07:53:12 PM
I guess now that Deeley (prior exclusive Canadian importer for H-D) is gone and dealers in Canada are now working directly with the MoCo, the rumour mill is heating up north of the 49th...

Recently I heard that for 2017 we can look forward to oil cooled heads and a move from 103 to 107 for the standard models, with the CVO's going to 117.

Just wondered if anyone else has heard the same.  :nixweiss:

Go back a page or two. All they've been talking about "nipple" this and "nipple" that.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on July 27, 2016, 08:10:39 PM
Go back a page or two. All they've been talking about "nipple" this and "nipple" that.

Thanks for the direction.

After posting I went back to read the whole thread and figured out that I have old news... I guess all that nipple talk got to me and fogged my mind.  :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Pan1 on July 27, 2016, 11:20:19 PM
So silly. HD makes a lot of money on their SE upgrade kits. They have a significant investment in the wet head technology and will not be moving to a new engine design anytime soon. The engine in the pic is actually a milking machine and the line doesn't carry oil. So sit back and relax and let's just listen to our noisy ticking engines and wait for those awsome lifters to fail! 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 28, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
These pics were posted on the "Rushmore" Harley thread.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 28, 2016, 12:22:29 AM
Another.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 28, 2016, 12:24:55 AM
107ci.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 28, 2016, 12:59:02 AM
These pics were posted on the "Rushmore" Harley thread.
Another SESG I wonder? Speakers in the bag lids, rear footpegs and a two piece seat.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on July 28, 2016, 01:14:00 AM
Without a doubt a SESG.  I noticed how the exhaust exits the rear cylinder, similar to the Thunderstroke 111.  I also noticed that contrary to my opinion, that the Twin Cooled engines are still utilized for 2017.

I can't vouch for the authenticity either! :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 06:00:38 AM
The street glide CVO has a 114 badge. In case someone missed it. And it looks like there is a less clearly defined break between the case and cylinder. Could these cases split horizontally like the Vrod with the cylinder cast into the top half????

Looking at that picture again and there is no case split visible like in every other non-Vrod since 1903 so yeah, these cases split the other way I think...Could just be the picture...If that is true it will make any type of big bore kit a LOT more problematic.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 28, 2016, 07:32:14 AM
The street glide CVO has a 114 badge. In case someone missed it. And it looks like there is a less clearly defined break between the case and cylinder. Could these cases split horizontally like the Vrod with the cylinder cast into the top half????

Looking at that picture again and there is no case split visible like in every other non-Vrod since 1903 so yeah, these cases split the other way I think...Could just be the picture...If that is true it will make any type of big bore kit a LOT more problematic.
I see the 114 in the second pix now that I went back and looked again. Really seems like an anemic attempt to one-up the other bikes in the displacement category. Seems like history shows the CVO always jumped at least 7 CID when the engine went bigger.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 28, 2016, 08:22:43 AM
These pics were posted on the "Rushmore" Harley thread.

Moving away from motor talk a bit here....I like the painted on tank badging... :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 28, 2016, 08:27:16 AM

I seriously doubt Harley is going to invest a bunch of money in a new engine design and then go backward by eliminating water cooling.  For those who seem to think oil cooling the heads is some magical system that will let them avoid those nasty ugly radiators, think again.  A true oil cooling system will need a large radiator, otherwise called an oil cooler, so all you do is swap one ugly heat exchanger for a different ugly heat exchanger, unless they plan to hide it under the seat and duct air to it.  Built in heated seat, whether you want it or not.  Probably work wonders on the electronics also.

Personally, I still think it's really just an electric motor underneath a plastic mock-up of a traditional looking engine.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on July 28, 2016, 08:31:03 AM

OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 09:18:13 AM
Moving away from motor talk a bit here....I like the painted on tank badging... :2vrolijk_21:

Looks like the one on my 2004 Huckleberry. Oh Jez, I hope they don't do an Black/Blue in this one ;), I may have trade Betsy and Orange Crush in and learn to love lowers...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on July 28, 2016, 10:41:16 AM
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry

I think I'll pass this time and just ride my 117''. Done that in 07 with a brand new cuse. Head gaskets..... :-\
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on July 28, 2016, 10:51:15 AM
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry

I was one, it was not fun.

On the brighter side, when the new motors fail, the air bubble problems in the 2017 hydraulic clutches will be a minor issue in comparison. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 11:38:44 AM
Back to the 114 motor for a second...

I cant make out the line that Twolane and I were talking about with the FreeWheeler, Revzilla pictures. Maybe the bikes with lowers remain to have liquid cooled heads, while the bikes without lowers have oil cooled heads.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: NORSEMAN on July 28, 2016, 12:31:20 PM
Back to the 114 motor for a second...

I cant make out the line that Twolane and I were talking about with the FreeWheeler, Revzilla pictures. Maybe the bikes with lowers remain to have liquid cooled heads, while the bikes without lowers have oil cooled heads.
They appear to; at least the SESGS
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 28, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Back to the 114 motor for a second...

I cant make out the line that Twolane and I were talking about with the FreeWheeler, Revzilla pictures. Maybe the bikes with lowers remain to have liquid cooled heads, while the bikes without lowers have oil cooled heads.

At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference.  In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head.  It's hard to miss.  See no such extension on the other pic.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 01:09:17 PM
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference.  In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head.  It's hard to miss.  See no such extension on the other pic.

Thanks for the clarification pictures Don!!!

No lines from rear head means no Nipple Head CVO!!! ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: NORSEMAN on July 28, 2016, 01:12:25 PM
 :2vrolijk_21:
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference.  In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head.  It's hard to miss.  See no such extension on the other pic.

Great observation!  We don't know if the Freewheeler was just a test mule in a non-production configuration, and/or if the SESGS has more stuff to be assembled on it, but it's fun to speculate. 

Radiator fluid is twice as efficient at extracting heat, compared to oil.  I remember all the stories of leaking radiators and hoses when the twin-cool just came out.  Hope the owners of these M8's don't suffer a similar fate, with this new plumbing. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 28, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference.  In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head.  It's hard to miss.  See no such extension on the other pic.
What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 28, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.
Look at the clamp right by the end of the arrow and you'll see it's definitely not a plug wire.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 28, 2016, 01:44:10 PM
What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.
The are two views of the rear cylinder in the picture. The left side of the picture is taken from the cam side and the right side of the picture is from the primary side. If you look at the picture from the cam side it looks more like a plug wire coming from top of the rocker box. Just thought it looked odd.
Look at the clamp right by the end of the arrow and you'll see it's definitely not a plug wire.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
Like I said...

The Freewheeler in the Revzilla pictures does not have lowers so it has the extra hoses that are likely used with the oil cooled system with a BIG oil cooler on the front....

The CVO Streetglide 114 has no such extra lines visible, and they would be very visible, given the clarity of the picture...So maybe its just liquid cooled like current production bikes with lowers.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on July 28, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
The are two views of the rear cylinder in the picture. The left side of the picture is taken from the cam side and the right side of the picture is from the primary side. If you look at the picture from the cam side it looks more like a plug wire coming from top of the rocker box. Just thought it looked odd.

I believe that is a plug wire you are seeing on the cam side. These M8's supposedly have dual plug heads.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on July 28, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry
NOPE
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 28, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry
Got a deposit in at the dealership.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 28, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Got a deposit in at the dealership.
How many miles do you have on your '15 now Joe? Any particular model you'll be interested in? I'm guessing no SERG for next year as there's pix of a new SESG out there.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 28, 2016, 04:45:23 PM


How many miles do you have on your '15 now Joe? Any particular model you'll be interested in? I'm guessing no SERG for next year as there's pix of a new SESG out there.

46k on it now. Been riding the Skunk more lately trying to get miles on the new build. I don't think there'll be a SERGU in 17 but I'm hoping they do a SERG. If they don't I'll probably add the extended warranty on the 15 and keep it for now.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 28, 2016, 07:39:25 PM
I sent the picture to my dealership and told the GM to call me from the Dealer Meeting if there is a black/ blue one.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HarleyJeffOregon on July 28, 2016, 09:03:52 PM
when is the dealer meeting?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 28, 2016, 09:19:32 PM
when is the dealer meeting?
August 22nd
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on July 28, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time?  I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.

Jerry

Not if they gave me one for free.....

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Pan1 on July 28, 2016, 11:17:50 PM
When is the dealer meeting?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 29, 2016, 01:07:17 AM
Not if they gave me one for free.....

For free?  I'd be all over it for free.  Test mule / guinea pig on someone else's dime.  Then when it inevitably suffered some alpha testing level failure break the thing down and sell all the good bits online.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on July 29, 2016, 05:27:40 AM
 
For free?  I'd be all over it for free.  Test mule / guinea pig on someone else's dime.  Then when it inevitably suffered some alpha testing level failure break the thing down and sell all the good bits online.

Dang it Don, remember this is a HD we're talking about....what would you consider to be good bits? The horn cover and the primary chain?? From what I read that's about all that doesn't catch grief on here... :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on July 29, 2016, 05:37:12 AM

Dang it Don, remember this is a HD we're talking about....what would you consider to be good bits? The horn cover and the primary chain?? From what I read that's about all that doesn't catch grief on here... :P
You forgot the chrome valve caps. Mine's held up pretty good. :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 29, 2016, 06:53:01 AM
When is the dealer meeting?

Middle of August. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on July 29, 2016, 08:11:13 AM
When is the dealer meeting?
August 22nd
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Skipper on July 30, 2016, 06:16:46 PM
Check out this! 120 ST????
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on July 30, 2016, 06:26:55 PM
I dunno, but it definitely doesn't look like a seat.  :oops:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on July 30, 2016, 07:03:07 PM
I dunno, but it definitely doesn't look like a seat.  :oops:
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Smellymo on July 31, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Not if they gave me one for free.....

Horsechit.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Fltrx143 on August 01, 2016, 07:16:09 AM
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 01, 2016, 07:49:34 AM
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?

Welcome to the Forum.

I just looked back at the picture of the Tank. It does look like a "T", but I think it's just a reflection of some sort. Maybe from overhead bench light.


YB

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mano on August 01, 2016, 07:51:49 AM
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?

Good catch  :2vrolijk_21:

Looks like that to me too. Very creative.

Welcome to the site Fltrx143. Go say hello to everyone on the welcome thread. :bananarock:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 01, 2016, 08:04:28 AM
Welcome to the Forum.

I just looked back at the picture of the Tank. It does look like a "T", but I think it's just a reflection of some sort. Maybe from overhead bench light.


YB


Agree with YB on this one. Now just waiting for my eyes to refocus after staring at the pix to figure it out.  :-X
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gerhard on August 01, 2016, 08:06:28 AM
There's plenty of pictures and information circulating around the Harley forums, coupled with the fact the Twin Cam is 17 years old, so we know it coming in August.  Really it's a shame, because Moco was just starting to work out all the kinks in the twin cam! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

The Twin Cam is the new Evo! ;D  Hey, what am I laughing about, my CVO is going to be worth two dead flies, come September! :nervous:

In the first glance I´ve been with you. But I don´t think it is so true in europe. Here we have pretty harsh changes regarding noise regulations and exhaust emissions with the 2017 model year. So there might come new and fancy engines - but I wonder if they´ll be better Harley-engines. Bit mo´ power and torque vs the sound of vacuum cleaners? We´ll see ...
So what I want to say - in europe - there might be a better position in general for older model years, because of sound and tuning possibilities.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 01, 2016, 08:22:38 AM
New engine?  New features?  New models? Have not seen this much interest in the new HD motorcycle models and changes in at least a year.

 :morningcoffee: :vrolijk_11: 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 01, 2016, 12:25:44 PM
In the first glance I´ve been with you. But I don´t think it is so true in europe. Here we have pretty harsh changes regarding noise regulations and exhaust emissions with the 2017 model year. So there might come new and fancy engines - but I wonder if they´ll be better Harley-engines. Bit mo´ power and torque vs the sound of vacuum cleaners? We´ll see ...
So what I want to say - in europe - there might be a better position in general for older model years, because of sound and tuning possibilities.

Definitely!  I knew sales were stronger in Europe.  I was speaking regarding U.S. sales.

Last fall, I visited France and Switzerland.  The two things that struck me was how expensive the bikes were for Europeans and yet the enthusiasm seems strong for Harley Davidson (and maybe Indian).  I see a lot of Youtube videos from Germany as well, with clubs dedicated to the Softail Breakout.  Here's a few pics I took in Paris.

That will be great if some of the older Harley's can be sent to Asia and Europe, though I imagine there are a lot of restrictions.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 01, 2016, 12:27:11 PM
Another.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 01, 2016, 12:28:54 PM
And.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on August 01, 2016, 01:00:08 PM
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?

I think its just a line extention going backward from the Top of the "D". Just a little flair thingy to give it a sense of movement or flow
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HUBBARD on August 01, 2016, 01:23:41 PM
I think its just a line extention going backward from the Top of the "D". Just a little flair thingy to give it a sense of movement or flow

Yep.  And that's alright.......but I don't cotton much to the new Engine.  Too European, or somethin'!  Like the Tour-Pak, and the Saddle-Bags, now.  But that's just the Ol' School in me.  To me, a Knuckle, and a Pan, and a Shovel are the best lookin' Motors of all ovem'!  Helluva' lot cheaper and easier to work on, too!  That was then, and this is now.  But the memories........priceless.  Later--HUBBARD   
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 01, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
I think its just a line extention going backward from the Top of the "D". Just a little flair thingy to give it a sense of movement or flow

I enlarged it to look closely and I believe the stem of the T is the bottom of the Harley "y". And the top of the T is likely a reflection of an overhead fluorescent tube. IMHO.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Pan1 on August 01, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
How many valves per cylinder does the modern 1000 cc import bike have?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 02, 2016, 08:44:34 AM
In the first glance I´ve been with you. But I don´t think it is so true in europe. Here we have pretty harsh changes regarding noise regulations and exhaust emissions with the 2017 model year. So there might come new and fancy engines - but I wonder if they´ll be better Harley-engines. Bit mo´ power and torque vs the sound of vacuum cleaners? We´ll see ...
So what I want to say - in europe - there might be a better position in general for older model years, because of sound and tuning possibilities.

Not to side rail this thread, but Gerhard, how old does a motorcycle have to be to be excluded from the new noise rules?

In some states here if the bike is older than say, 30 years, it's does not have to comply with current noise rules and can legally run just about any exhaust system without penalty.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on August 02, 2016, 01:26:13 PM
For sure some felt the pains of 07 more than others. If proper time and testing were done very few would have had issues. Instead the MOCO prolly said let em go, deal with the problems as they come up at least the stock holders will be happy. :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on August 02, 2016, 05:59:56 PM
For free?  I'd be all over it for free.  Test mule / guinea pig on someone else's dime.  Then when it inevitably suffered some alpha testing level failure break the thing down and sell all the good bits online.

Most of my riding is long distance now days.  I prefer to get home..  Just saying - I was in Toronto when my head gasket started leaking on my 2007 110...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on August 02, 2016, 06:17:39 PM
I had just left Nelson Canada GTG when my first head gasket/base gasket started leaking and I had spent $$$ at the Dealer just before leaving on the trip so they had installed the first head gasket with the part number I got from this site amongst headwork cams etc. and tune. The dealer didn't have the part number yet.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on August 02, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
I had just left Nelson Canada GTG when my first head gasket/base gasket started leaking and I had spent $$$ at the Dealer just before leaving on the trip so they had installed the first head gasket with the part number I got from this site amongst headwork cams etc. and tune. The dealer didn't have the part number yet.

I had lifters get so noisy once on a long trip that I installed new lifters in the parking lot of a hotel in Jackson, Wyoming.  They were new when we left home and we were about 6000 miles into a trip.  Pump up was taking forever and the rattle was driving me nuts.  Gotta love it, right??   >:(
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gerhard on August 04, 2016, 03:28:28 AM
Not to side rail this thread, but Gerhard, how old does a motorcycle have to be to be excluded from the new noise rules?

In some states here if the bike is older than say, 30 years, it's does not have to comply with current noise rules and can legally run just about any exhaust system without penalty.

Thanks.

Hi Dan,

that differs from year to year. Generally spoken, the older, the louder. It is correlated to the date and then valid regulations, when it got its first traffic allowance from the european authorities. Old Triumphs, Panheads, MV´s etc. can be operated really loud.

But: the biggest leap "into the silence" is happening right now, with the new restrictions for the oncoming 2017. We then will have here in Europe new, restrictive emission regulations, the so called "Euro6", that will castrate the pipes too. Just have a look at the J&H or V&H-websites for european customers - that´s why these enterprises developed this fancy electronically controlled exhaust-systems, to meet the new european test cycles. My FLHXSE has still the stock pipes, and if you open the throttle - they are really loud. Stock! I think this will differ a little next year. And maybe its getting worse (= even more silent). What is bad for new customers - cause a bike, especially a Harley - HAS to be heard ;-) and, well, better for people who are looking for a "new old" bike. For riding or tuning reasons.
And yes, you´re right, also in Europe the so called "Oldtimer-status" is from 30 years on. Then its gettin´ really loud ;-)))

regards, Gerhard.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 04, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Hi Dan,

that differs from year to year. Generally spoken, the older, the louder. It is correlated to the date and then valid regulations, when it got its first traffic allowance from the european authorities. Old Triumphs, Panheads, MV´s etc. can be operated really loud.

But: the biggest leap "into the silence" is happening right now, with the new restrictions for the oncoming 2017. We then will have here in Europe new, restrictive emission regulations, the so called "Euro6", that will castrate the pipes too. Just have a look at the J&H or V&H-websites for european customers - that´s why these enterprises developed this fancy electronically controlled exhaust-systems, to meet the new european test cycles. My FLHXSE has still the stock pipes, and if you open the throttle - they are really loud. Stock! I think this will differ a little next year. And maybe its getting worse (= even more silent). What is bad for new customers - cause a bike, especially a Harley - HAS to be heard ;-) and, well, better for people who are looking for a "new old" bike. For riding or tuning reasons.
And yes, you´re right, also in Europe the so called "Oldtimer-status" is from 30 years on. Then its gettin´ really loud ;-)))

regards, Gerhard.

Gerhard,  Thanks...

So if I'm looking to sell my '76 FLH shovelhead with probably not noise restrictions, the UK or European markets may be a good market to advertise in.

Just thinking out loud.

Are there UK Harley For Sale sites that you know of that I might give it a go in?

Good luck with the '17 restrictions.

Thanks again and have a great day.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Cat Eye on August 04, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
I'm thinking for 2017 bigger engine with 4 spark plugs....2 per cylinder
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gerhard on August 05, 2016, 04:44:05 AM
Gerhard,  Thanks...

So if I'm looking to sell my '76 FLH shovelhead with probably not noise restrictions, the UK or European markets may be a good market to advertise in.

Just thinking out loud.

Are there UK Harley For Sale sites that you know of that I might give it a go in?

Good luck with the '17 restrictions.

Thanks again and have a great day.


thx Dan - according the sites, there are many, try the net; & here are some (including dealers):

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/harley-davidson/

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/harley-davidson?gclid=CPONtYnwqc4CFRYTGwod-GgLsQ&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJ2O3Inwqc4CFe8R0wodZ4QFog

http://www.warrs.com/?gclid=COO2p5jwqc4CFQxmGwodZp0A6A

http://www.lakesideharley-davidson.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes.htm

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list/3316/motorcycles.html?keyword=harley+davidson

thumbs up, Gerhard.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 05, 2016, 03:43:48 PM

thx Dan - according the sites, there are many, try the net; & here are some (including dealers):

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/harley-davidson/

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/harley-davidson?gclid=CPONtYnwqc4CFRYTGwod-GgLsQ&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJ2O3Inwqc4CFe8R0wodZ4QFog

http://www.warrs.com/?gclid=COO2p5jwqc4CFQxmGwodZp0A6A

http://www.lakesideharley-davidson.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes.htm

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list/3316/motorcycles.html?keyword=harley+davidson

thumbs up, Gerhard.

Gerhard,

Thanks a lot for the list of sites.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program, thread that is.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on August 07, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
now the aftermarket people can get back to work,  :2vrolijk_21: 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 14, 2016, 03:24:06 PM
KEEP AN EYE ON THIS WEB SITE THIS WEEK

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php?so=0
It will be our first signal about the models and engines. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 14, 2016, 03:37:32 PM
For when they finally list the 2017 models you may find this helpful.  (thanks Jerry)

( 1 in3  =  16.3871 cc )

107 in3  =  1753 cc
114 in3  =  1868 cc
117 in3  =  1917 cc
120 in3  =  1966 cc
131 in3  =  2147 cc
145 in3  =  2376 cc

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 14, 2016, 03:43:16 PM

This will be the link for the 2017 models.  As of today, the latest update is from 8/1/2017 and it doesn't contain info from Harley yet.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 14, 2016, 03:54:59 PM

This entry for Polaris is interesting.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 14, 2016, 05:00:19 PM
2017 CARB link

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php)

No 2017 HD listed as of today.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 14, 2016, 06:39:54 PM
2017 CARB link

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php)

No 2017 HD listed as of today.

So no new models for 2017.  It sucks when there's so many 2016s left on the floor they have to skip a year.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 14, 2016, 07:29:13 PM
This entry for Polaris is interesting.

Jerry
From what I understand, it's a GM engine that was once used in Pontiacs.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 14, 2016, 07:34:35 PM
That Polaris SLR model has been a known quantity for awhile now.  One link I'd save is here:

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2016/08/01/2017-polaris-slingshot-amps-up-the-options-meet-the-slr/
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on August 14, 2016, 08:48:17 PM
At least they trying to get creative with the rumors here :

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/scoop-harley-davidson-milwaukee-eight.html


Project SWILLMORE  ::)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 14, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Not on the CVO yet but on the 107 there's a Stage III upgrade already on the books for purchase..

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=109136.msg1397520#new
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 14, 2016, 09:20:12 PM
So no new models for 2017.  It sucks when there's so many 2016s left on the floor they have to skip a year.

lol
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 15, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
I'm ready for some news on the 2017 CVOs. My 2010 CVO Ultra has been a terrific bike. Runs incredible. Still surprises me with the power it has on the highway and in the twisties. Always dependable. 129/129. I hate the idea of selling it but I'm heading towards 60K miles and once HD launches their new CVO 114" 8 valve water-cooled engine in an Ultra or RoadGlide Ultra, I'll be heading to my dealing as soon as they get back from the show. If HD is bold enough to launch an upgraded CVO Ultra/Glide with their rumored 131" 8 valve engine, I'll be RUNNING to meet with the dealer when they return from the show!!

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bdcpv on August 15, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
hi Guys, i don't know if you already had these, but it seems that:

1- will be introduced a new touring model
2- regular touring engines will be 107" 8 valves
3- cvo engines will be 114" 8 valves
4- will be the death of twincam engine!

hope u appreciate.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: acevtwin on August 15, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
Can't wait to see if there will be an Orange CVO this year. Iv'e seen the 2017 Color chart and they have a "Laguna Orange" but didn't list CVO colors.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 15, 2016, 03:06:11 PM
... rumored 131" 8 valve engine...
I've thought since I first read about the 107/114/131 line-up from Revzilla, that it's probably 107/114/121.  That would seem like a much more predictable escalation from my point of view.  I think the 131 was just a typo or miscommunication.  I guess we'll see next week.  Actually, I bet we don't see the big one right away, but who knows?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 15, 2016, 03:23:00 PM
I haven't seen any references to a 121 but that would make more sense than a 131... although it was fun imagining a CVO with a 4 valve water-cooled 131!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 15, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
I haven't seen any references to a 121 ...
Nope, just me thunkin' out loud... :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HarleyJeffOregon on August 15, 2016, 04:08:27 PM
I hope they have some good stuff this year my 2010 has 101,000 on it. I want a new bike so bad. but nothing the last few years has made me want to go get it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2016, 09:20:51 PM
I am worried about a motor change even more than no flames.  My experience with a motor improvement in the past has not been good, dating way back to the B balance,   First year is painful especially on the cvo,s.......yuk
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 15, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
Definitely a concern being a new engine design but being an early adopter can be rather exciting.. It will undoubtedly come with numerous hiccups, corrections and adjustments however manufacturing and design techniques have dramatically improved and should result in less issues than with past new technologies. That being said, I imagine that you'll get your money's worth out of an extended warranty!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2016, 10:13:16 PM
Definitely a concern being a new engine design but being an early adopter can be rather exciting.. It will undoubtedly come with numerous hiccups, corrections and adjustments however manufacturing and design techniques have dramatically improved and should result in less issues than with past new technologies. That being said, I imagine that you'll get your money's worth out of an extended warranty!


Good point . An extended warranty will be a must just in case...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bdcpv on August 16, 2016, 01:52:42 AM
I am worried about a motor change even more than no flames.  My experience with a motor improvement in the past has not been good, dating way back to the B balance,   First year is painful especially on the cvo,s.......yuk

agre at 100%... and that's why i waited to see news and then i bought the last twin cam.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Para Bellum on August 16, 2016, 04:18:02 AM
once HD launches their new CVO 114" 8 valve water-cooled engine in an Ultra or RoadGlide Ultra, I'll be heading to my dealing as soon as they get back from the show.
I admire your optimism and adventurous spirit, but standing at the side of the road 1000 miles from home, waiting for a tow truck and watching my vacation time tick away, doesn't meet my definition of "first-adopter excitement."  I'm not doing any more beta testing for HD.   :oops:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 16, 2016, 08:14:15 AM
I admire your optimism and adventurous spirit, but standing at the side of the road 1000 miles from home, waiting for a tow truck and watching my vacation time tick away, doesn't meet my definition of "first-adopter excitement."  I'm not doing any more beta testing for HD.   :oops:

That happened to me on my '11 SERGU. No guarantees regardless of your ride.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HarleyJeffOregon on August 16, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
Never Buy a Harley without the warranty if your going to ride it. I am at a little over $12.000.00 in claims. lol :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mano on August 16, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
Never Buy a Harley without the warranty if your going to ride it. I am at a little over $12.000.00 in claims. lol :2vrolijk_21:

Yup. :2vrolijk_21:

I am just over $20.000.00
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 16, 2016, 11:15:26 AM
I've been pretty fortunate with a reliable 2010 CVO but even still I got my money's worth out of the extended warranty with a replacement heated seat, replacement heated grip control and a replacement outer fairing covered under warranty. The seat alone is $1200.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 16, 2016, 01:09:35 PM
Yup. :2vrolijk_21:

I am just over $20.000.00

Yeah, but you're talking Canadian $, so comparable to above.
 ::)

I just renewed for a 3 year warranty last year (after having 7 years of coverage) and the renewal has already paid for itself, and then some.
It is nice that things get covered, but a pain to be without your ride.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on August 16, 2016, 02:04:58 PM
This entry for Polaris is interesting.

Jerry
Isn't the Slingshot the three wheeled car type thing :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 16, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
Isn't the Slingshot the three wheeled car type thing :nixweiss:
Yup.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JCZ on August 16, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Never Buy a Harley without the warranty if your going to ride it. I am at a little over $12.000.00 in claims. lol :2vrolijk_21:

I've been singing that tune for years.  I've never bought an extended warranty that didn't pay for it's self at least two times over.  It's a Harley for God's sake!   :P   And this is even more true if you're somebody that puts more than 10k miles a year.  The more miles you rack up, the more value you'll get out of that extended warranty.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on August 16, 2016, 06:36:37 PM
I'm  learning the hard way and thinking I won't keep an other new one longer than a year or more (give or take a few months) no matter what return on trade is poop and they seem to fall apart around that time so my plans are just keep trading...now hope I can stick to my plan, cause I got one I dumped a bunch in, it's a good bike but will never see any return on it
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 16, 2016, 08:36:44 PM
I have had 5 new HD's starting in 2004 and have not purchased an ESP yet and have had no need for one yet. But I am certain if I had kept that 2012 for more than the 1 year I had it that it would have eventually needed that ESP if not sooner!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 16, 2016, 09:15:15 PM
Ihave only purchased two Cvo's a 2004 SEEG and a 2011 SESG.   In both cases the extended warranty served me well albeit there was some things not covered.  Bottom line if you buy a first year engine bike it's a good value.    BTW.  ITS A GOOD XMAS LIST ITEM.







Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Para Bellum on August 17, 2016, 02:13:12 AM
That happened to me on my '11 SERGU. No guarantees regardless of your ride.
No argument with that, just that, based on HDs recent history (2007, '08) the beta testers discover many of the problems--the hard way.  Plus, there are problems that are generally early, somewhat later, and so on.

How many miles on yours when the problem bit?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 17, 2016, 09:23:10 AM
No argument with that, just that, based on HDs recent history (2007, '08) the beta testers discover many of the problems--the hard way.  Plus, there are problems that are generally early, somewhat later, and so on.

How many miles on yours when the problem bit?

40k, clutch bearing blew out.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 17, 2016, 05:28:22 PM
Looks like it might not be a 4 valve engine they announce next week after all.... http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-to-announce-107ci-and-114ci-milwaukee-eight-engine.html

Although I suspect the article might be wrong since this picture (since pulled from the Harley online parts catalog) shows the new 114" upgrade kits with 8 valve springs....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 17, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Looks like it might not be a 4 valve engine they announce next week after all.... http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-to-announce-107ci-and-114ci-milwaukee-eight-engine.html

Although I suspect the article might be wrong since this picture (since pulled from the Harley online parts catalog) shows the new 114" upgrade kits with 8 valve springs....


Or...... perhaps Harley is getting proactive and with the history of dropped guides and other cylinder head related problems HD is now simply starting to include necessary spare parts in the upgrade kits.....   ???
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 17, 2016, 08:45:55 PM
Looks like it might not be a 4 valve engine they announce next week after all.... http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-to-announce-107ci-and-114ci-milwaukee-eight-engine.html

Although I suspect the article might be wrong since this picture (since pulled from the Harley online parts catalog) shows the new 114" upgrade kits with 8 valve springs....

And 4 valve reliefs in each piston. Oh it will be an 8 valve motor for sure.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 17, 2016, 09:12:00 PM
Wonder what torque....horsepower.....etc will be compared to the 110
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 17, 2016, 09:32:18 PM
Stock 110 is about 80hp / 100 ftlbs. My guess for the new 8v 114 is 100hp and 115 ftlbs. No reason to go through all the design expense if they can't promote getting their top-of-the-line CVO engine over 100hp.

It'll be pretty sad if they can't break 100hp out of the crate. I also guess it'll be pretty easy to bump the power to over 130/130 with aftermarket pipes, larger TB, hi-lift cam and larger injectors then HD uses in the factory setup to meet emissions.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Para Bellum on August 17, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
If the Twin Cam is the Twinkie, is the Single Cam the Sinkie?   :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 17, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
 
Sounds right. Lol
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 17, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Otherwise known as the "Milwalking 8", if past history is any indicator.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 18, 2016, 12:27:54 AM
Heatwave.....I hope you are correct....!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bdcpv on August 18, 2016, 01:22:17 AM
Heatwave.....I hope you are correct....!

me too...

but if i have to say, in my opinion, they will deliver 5/7 hp more than actual....

remember that 107 and 114 will be with new and more restrictive catalyzer.

somebody (who seems to be well informed) says that the engine sound will be much different, and torque will be decreased at low rpm and increased at mid/high rpm (and temperatures will increase a bit)

that's what they told me....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 18, 2016, 08:04:03 AM
We should all know on Monday. I believe the grand reveal is on Monday morning at the dealer show.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 18, 2016, 09:36:53 AM
We should all know on Monday. I believe the grand reveal is on Monday morning at the dealer show.
It's actually Tuesday morning. I've been invited to the principle's office ( My service manager likes me) to watch it on HD's dealer broadcast. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 18, 2016, 09:41:26 AM
Ahhhhh, thanks for the clarification. I figured someone would confirm the actual reveal once a "date" was posted....   ;)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: BigLew on August 18, 2016, 10:27:18 AM
I read a new article that came out yesterday than confirmed what Heatwave said about the increase in power.

BigLew
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 18, 2016, 10:34:10 AM
Local dealership sales Mgr just called and said he's riding up to the show in Boston this weekend.  The grand reveal is Tues morning. He'll be sending me pics around 10am Tues morning. New bikes arrive at the dealership on Wed/Thurs. Should be dealer prepped for the showroom floor for the weekend. No idea what CVOs he'll be receiving.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 18, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
This is always and exciting time.  Can't wait
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 18, 2016, 03:05:24 PM
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: NORSEMAN on August 18, 2016, 04:28:15 PM
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html
Where's the "dis-like" button? 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 18, 2016, 05:01:02 PM
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html

Harley lists a new turner for the 2017's. As of 145 Eastern Time the part was not obsolete. But I bet it will be on Monday!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 18, 2016, 06:03:42 PM
Think  PC's are next?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 18, 2016, 06:14:20 PM
Aftermarket will find a way to tune them, I always wondered how the manufacturer got away with selling the tuners, knew they said "race/off-road use only" but seemed like a conflict of interest.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 18, 2016, 06:22:41 PM
Explains the dual plug 4 valve heads on the 17's. Helps keep emissions down.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 18, 2016, 06:59:01 PM
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html

Being innovators, they'll go back to totally replacing the Factory ECM's.  That way when you go to the dealer for service, you just swap the custom tuner out for the factory one and everybody will be happy. (Wink, Wink)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: oe542bob on August 18, 2016, 08:14:05 PM
The ECM is the way certain diesel powered pickups are doing a new tune. You can send yours in to be tuned or, keep your stock ECM and purchase a tuned one. Many guys are going this route and keeping their original. Cost more money,but you have a stock ECM just in case!!!
Might be the new way to tune our bikes in the future. Time will tell!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 18, 2016, 09:02:59 PM
Aftermarket will find a way to tune them, I always wondered how the manufacturer got away with selling the tuners, knew they said "race/off-road use only" but seemed like a conflict of interest.

They'll come against the aftermarket producers as well. Would not be surprised if they aren't already targeting a few of them.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mr D on August 18, 2016, 10:22:07 PM
Steve Cole ?  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HD Street Performance on August 19, 2016, 07:25:12 AM
Have a look at the MOCO document
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HD Street Performance on August 19, 2016, 07:25:56 AM
here is the rest
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MightyTharg on August 19, 2016, 07:42:40 AM
Harley lists a new turner for the 2017's. As of 145 Eastern Time the part was not obsolete. But I bet it will be on Monday!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Do you have the part number?  My local dealer can't find it
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 19, 2016, 08:05:41 AM
Looks like its a new tuner according to the MOCO document Don posted.

I'm sure the others will have tuners soon for the 17 bikes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 19, 2016, 09:16:58 AM
Looks like its a new tuner according to the MOCO document Don posted.

I'm sure the others will have tuners soon for the 17 bikes.

It will be interesting to see what hurdles they need to clear for the EPA and what the impact is on performance of a "tuned" motorcycle.

DH
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 19, 2016, 11:01:57 AM
STILL NOTHING LISTED????? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:


KEEP AN EYE ON THIS WEB SITE THIS WEEK

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php?so=0
It will be our first signal about the models and engines.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 19, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
Looks like the "Pro Street Tuner" will allow adjustment to Spark Advance, Throttle Progressivity and VE tables. No reference to the AFR table. Without the ability to adjust AFRs it'll be very difficult to deliver more fuel for higher performance. Hopefully the aftermarket tuners will still have access to the MY '17 AFR tables.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Pan1 on August 21, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
If the computer can truly maintained AF ratio, while leaner than one might desire, it will compensate for increased air flow. Such as exhaust, mild cam upgrades, etc. just look at sport bikes and their awsome output. You don't see the buyers of these bikes spending $$$$ just to get it to run properly.
Who knows maybe bee the new HD heads are still 2 valve and the put a milled out place, so we carry an extra set of lifters. I know I went through a set about every 20k on my lady bike.


Title: 2017
Post by: muddypaws on August 22, 2016, 07:37:55 AM
New bikes out tomorrow. Can't wait....I sure hope they have some great colors for the Limited...
Title: Re: 2017
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 22, 2016, 08:07:45 AM
Dealer reveal around 0800 in the morning and should hit the website/general public around 1000.  I'm with you on getting excited with the new models....even when there really aren't any changes, it's fun.  This year with the new motor (?) and possibly a re-designed frame (?) and all the other rumors, the anticipation level is a bit higher.

Plus, with your situation on working toward a replacement bike, it's that much more interesting.  For you, I'm hoping either the colors for the 17 (as well as the bike) are to your liking and, if not, you find that '16 that fits your needs.  Good luck in whichever route you choose.

We shall see..........
Title: Re: 2017
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2016, 08:27:49 AM
Can we move this to the 2017 model....so we only have one place to look as this week progresses???look in general discussion for the topic
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: UK1 on August 22, 2016, 08:41:41 AM
No
Title: Re: 2017
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2016, 09:22:18 AM
New bikes out tomorrow. Can't wait....I sure hope they have some great colors for the Limited...

I hope they go back to calling the top of the line Electra Glides "Ultra Classic" so the others from the past few years really ARE considered limited!  :nixweiss:

Just sayin'
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: jimcb1 on August 22, 2016, 09:49:30 AM
no info yet
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
According to the EPA site there will be 4 models getting the new 107 (1746cc) engines and 2 models getting the new 114 (1868cc)engine.

107s: ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA LIMITED LOW, ROAD GLIDE ULTRA, ULTRA LIMITED, ULTRA LIMITED SHRINE EDITION
114s:CVO STREET GLIDE, CVO ULTRA LIMITED

Interestingly enough, the EPA data shows these engines as having  2 valves per cylinder. We'll know tomorrow morning.

Also worth noting that the 1868CC engine (114) is rated at 75kw which is just over 100hp.

https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
According to the EPA site there will be 4 models getting the new 107 (1746cc) engines and 2 models getting the new 114 (1868cc)engine.

107s: ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA LIMITED LOW, ROAD GLIDE ULTRA, ULTRA LIMITED, ULTRA LIMITED SHRINE EDITION
114s:CVO STREET GLIDE, CVO ULTRA LIMITED

Interestingly enough, the EPA data shows these engines has have 2valves per cylinder. We'll know tomorrow morning.

https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm

I'm pretty sure the screen shot of that is posted on here somewhere already. I think it's also been mentioned that it's probably a typo especially after seeing the 107-114 upgrade kit with the 4 valve springs and reliefs cut into the pistons for 4 valves.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
I hope so....
Title: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
 :)
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 02:26:53 PM
 :)
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
 :)
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
 :)
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: spook120 on August 22, 2016, 02:41:17 PM
Thanks for posting but all those photos were on various sites a couple weeks ago....  But tomorrow is the big day!!  Ride safe.
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 02:44:15 PM
Thanks for posting but all those photos were on various sites a couple weeks ago....  But tomorrow is the big day!!  Ride safe.
Yes i now  ;)
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 22, 2016, 03:00:56 PM
107 in the standard models and a 114 it looked like the badge said ? Is this a ligit photo of the 17 cvo street glide
Title: Re: picture ot cvo 2017
Post by: ultra98 on August 22, 2016, 03:21:48 PM
107 in the standard models and a 114 it looked like the badge said ? Is this a ligit photo of the 17 cvo street glide
We will see tomorrow :orange:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 22, 2016, 06:45:02 PM
You said 8 am ? Who's time ? Mountain
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
You said 8 am ? Who's time ? Mountain

Tues 8/23 8am Boston (EDT)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: altugo on August 22, 2016, 07:45:29 PM
there you go
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
We will see tomorrow :orange:
Or look tonight...
the CARB was finally published.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 08:48:32 PM
Yep, here's the CARB report on the new 2017 107s and the 114s Harley's http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/harleydavidson_m0050232_1868-1746_0d8_hn.pdf

Here's the 107 Triglide http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/harleydavidson_m0050228_1746_0d8_hn.pdf

And all the touring bikes with 107s http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/harleydavidson_m0050227_0d8_hn.pdf

Is this a new model with a 107, the Freewheeler http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/harleydavidson_m0050229_1746_0d8_hn.pdf
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 22, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
Think I'll keep my YELLOWBIRD!!!

 :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:


YB
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on August 22, 2016, 08:54:21 PM
Looks like no RG or RGU CVO at all for 2017. RG and RGS still have the 103 twin cam engines. Maybe a mid year CVO RG/U.

Sent from my SM-N930P using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Looks like no RG or RGU CVO at all for 2017. RG and RGS still have the 103 twin cam engines. Maybe a mid year CVO RG/U.

Sent from my SM-N930P using Tapatalk


Nope. All the sharks get the 107. I posted pix of the report in another thread.

Keep in mind also that this list ONLY has the models that are Cali approved. They might not have gotten paperwork or processed it from MoCo yet about any other CVO bikes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on August 22, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Nope. All the sharks get the 107. I posted pix of the report in another thread.

Keep in mind also that this list ONLY has the models that are Cali approved. They might not have gotten paperwork or processed it from MoCo yet about any other CVO bikes.
Thanks for the correction. Missed that one.

Sent from my SM-N930P using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
Here's the lineup for tomorrow's 2017 model announcements based on the CARB emissions results just released:

•   CVO STREET GLIDE 114
•   CVO ULTRA 114
•   LIMITED ELECTRA GLIDE 107
•   ULTRA LIMITED LOW 107
•   ROAD GLIDE ULTRA 107
•   ULTRA LIMITED 107
•   ULTRA LIMITED SHRINE EDITION 107 
•   TRI GLIDE ULTRA 107
•   ELECTRA GLIDE 107
•   ULTRA CLASSIC 107
•   POLICE ELECTRA GLIDE 107
•   POLICE ROAD KING 107
•   ROAD GLIDE 107
•   ROAD GLIDE SPECIAL 107
•   ROAD KING 107
•   STREET GLIDE 107
•   STREET GLIDE SPECIAL 107
•   FREE WHEELER 107
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HarleyJeffOregon on August 22, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
How Depressing.  :confused5:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on August 22, 2016, 09:30:00 PM
The reports are not entirely complete as the Softail line is missing, so it could be that there is something else in the CVO line coming as well. If you look at the "m" numbers report 50231 is not yet listed
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
The reports are not entirely complete as the Softail line is missing, so it could be that there is something else in the CVO line coming as well.

Here's some additional 2017 models that were CARB Certified:

FAT BOB 103
LOW RIDER 103
LOW RIDER S 110
WIDE GLIDE 103
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 22, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
While you may not find the new 107 or 114 in the model or color of your choice, these new engines may be pretty exciting based on the CARB power summary. For comparison, the CARB power rating for the current 110ci is 60kw or 80.5hp. The new 114 is CARB rated at 75kw or 100.6hp. That's a 25% increase in power over the existing 110 engine design.

Whether you're measure the power at the crank or the rear wheel, that's a hell of a big jump in power for 4 cubic inches. If the results on paper are realized in the seat of the new bikes, then kudos to Harley for a hell of a new engine design and a terrific starting point for upgrades.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2016, 11:51:38 PM
While you may not find the new 107 or 114 in the model or color of your choice, these new engines may be pretty exciting based on the CARB power summary. For comparison, the CARB power rating for the current 110ci is 60kw or 80.5hp. The new 114 is CARB rated at 75kw or 100.6hp. That's a 25% increase in power over the existing 110 engine design.

Whether you're measure the power at the crank or the rear wheel, that's a hell of a big jump in power for 4 cubic inches. If the results on paper are realized in the seat of the new bikes, then kudos to Harley for a hell of a new engine design and a terrific starting point for upgrades.


These are really impressive numbers.  The 20 HP increase is almost unbelievable !!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 23, 2016, 12:16:37 AM

These are really impressive numbers.  The 20 HP increase is almost unbelievable !!

Or....., and this would be more my take on it, the old numbers were very very underwhelming and the new numbers (if accurate in the field) are making a step toward more contemporary standards.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 23, 2016, 07:38:14 AM
The numbers on the new engines look pretty good, a good power increase.

Very sad there is no SERG or SERGU.  Really was wanting a SERG with the new engine.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 07:45:57 AM
The numbers on the new engines look pretty good, a good power increase.

Very sad there is no SERG or SERGU.  Really was wanting a SERG with the new engine.
Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: MightyTharg on August 23, 2016, 07:59:06 AM
Or....., and this would be more my take on it, the old numbers were very very underwhelming and the new numbers (if accurate in the field) are making a step toward more contemporary standards.

Yup that's my take on it.   Time is long overdue to modernise a little and gain some efficiency (losing some weight and adding more water-cooling would be good too)

Put it this way, around 1983 when BMW decided they couldn't just keep pushing out the old air cooled boxers they were criticised when their new K100RS with it's 1000cc (8v watercooled 4) motor was only pushing out 90bhp when the Japs had long since cracked 100bhp/litre - conservatism at the factory seemed to be the main reason.   The later 16v version upped power to 100bhp, they still could have gone farther.

When they launched the 1100cc oil/air cooled boxers in 1993 they also pushed out 90bhp, the 1200 motor was up around 110bhp and the later dohc motor was about the same but a bit torquier. When they adopted watercooling a couple of years ago then then pushed power to 125bhp.     

So if HD can pick up some engine efficiency with the new motors, and hopefully ditch some weight with the new chassis that is allegedly on the way for 2018 then we're looking at bikes that should perform significantly better than their predecessors without just trying to grow the motor.


 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 23, 2016, 08:10:34 AM
Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.
While I agree on the soft tail models not on there yet.  I would think that a SERG or SERGU would have been tested with the SESG.  So I will be really surprised if there is a SERG.  I would also be happy if there is one.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Royalroadie on August 23, 2016, 08:31:23 AM
I just saw some HP power ratings on the new motors.  According to the new numbers they produce more horse power but I am sceptical that they are going to have an increase in TQ.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2016, 08:34:38 AM
It's now 8:30am EST 8/23/16, and still no news on 17's.  :nixweiss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ_Mz8ftqI

 ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 08:49:21 AM
There are some preliminaries in the session this morning before the unveil.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 08:52:40 AM
I just saw some HP power ratings on the new motors.  According to the new numbers they produce more horse power but I am sceptical that they are going to have an increase in TQ.

The new 114 has 25% more hp (100.6hp) vs the current 110 (80.6hp) according to the CARB report. That's a helluva nice jump in power for a stock engine. I'm guessing the new 114 has  TQ above 115 ft-lbs
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JMK on August 23, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 09:25:31 AM
124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.

Wow!!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 09:30:10 AM
124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.

Not much of a bump from the 110
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 09:31:33 AM
Not much of a bump from the 110

The 110 was only rated at 115.  I'd say 124 is a nice upgraded baseline.

What am I missing?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
Not much of a bump from the 110

Not sure how you concluded that? A stock 110 is 80hp/115ft-lbs. I'd say the new 114 with 100hp/124ft-lbs is a DRAMATIC jump in a stock engine performance with only an additional 4ci.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 09:40:04 AM
Not sure how you concluded that? A stock 110 is 80hp/115ft-lbs. I'd say the new 114 with 100hp/124ft-lbs is a DRAMATIC jump in a stock engine performance with only an additional 4ci.

Agreed.  This is a huge gain.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: LC110 on August 23, 2016, 09:45:30 AM
2017 SE parts website is up. http://www.harley-davidson.com/shop/screamin-eagle
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Not sure how you concluded that? A stock 110 is 80hp/115ft-lbs. I'd say the new 114 with 100hp/124ft-lbs is a DRAMATIC jump in a stock engine performance with only an additional 4ci.

110 was not 80 at the crank, stock trim 110's put down over 80 at the wheel. Mine put down 84hp/103 tq. This 100/124 for the 114 are crank numbers.  Wheel power you're still in the 80's for HP and likely in the 105-110 tq range.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 09:50:54 AM
2017 SE parts website is up. http://www.harley-davidson.com/shop/screamin-eagle

Thanks. :)

On a side note... Just so you'll know, the originally-reported production totals for all FLTRSE3 were missing the JAPAN market totals (which were in a separate portion of the H-D database, and weren't reported to those inquiring).

The actual numbers...
2009 FLTRSE3
Stardust Silver/Titanium Dust:  1,386

DOMESTIC  1,014
CALIFORNIA  111
[USA  1,125]
AUSTRALIA  00
CANADA  65
ENGLAND  00
HDI  154
JAPAN  42
[INTERNATIONAL  261]
Title: 2017 MODELS
Post by: RedMoon on August 23, 2016, 09:54:05 AM
http://www.harley-davidson.com/content/h-d/en_US/home.html
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 09:54:22 AM
110 was not 80 at the crank, stock trim 110's put down over 80 at the wheel. Mine put down 84hp/103 tq. This 100/124 for the 114 are crank numbers.  Wheel power you're still in the 80's for HP and likely in the 105-110 tq range.

H-Ds numbers are comparable to each other as a baseline.

110" = 80.6hp & 115tq
114" = 100.6hp & 124tq

Those are from the same metric for equivalence.  Crank or wheel doesn't matter.  They're by the same standard for direct comparison.

Plus 25% for hp.  Plus 8% for tq.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 09:56:18 AM
HD Catalog just updated. Includes a new stage 3 kit for the 114 bumped to 117. 24% increase in power over the 114.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 09:59:13 AM
H-Ds numbers are comparable to each other as a baseline.

110" = 80.6hp & 115tq
114" = 100.6hp & 124tq

Those are from the same metric for equivalence.  Crank or wheel doesn't matter.  They're by the same standard for direct comparison.

Plus 25% for hp.  Plus 8% for tq.
If the 114 hp is as underrated as the 110, then yes, good bump, but if the 114 is accurate then there's going to be some disappointed people.  I guess we'll find out the truth once someone gets one on the rollers.

One thing that's evident is that the 80.6 crank hp for the 110 was wrong by a lot.  80 crank hp would be in the 60's at the wheel and no one saw anything that low (though I did see some in the mid 70's)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:01:00 AM
HD Catalog just updated. Includes a new stage 3 kit for the 114 bumped to 117. 24% increase in power over the 114.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci

Increases power by up to 24% when compared to the Original Equipment engine configuration
Delivers increased throttle response throughout the entire RPM range
Produces flexible roll-on passing power without a required downshift
Delivers excellent stop-light to freeway speed on-ramp acceleration
Retains Original Equipment Factory Warranty
50-State U.S. EPA compliant
Includes 4.075" Bolt-On Cylinders, Forged 11:1 High Compression Pistons, High performance Piston Rings and Tappets, SE8-498 Cam, Performance Valve Springs, Multi-layer coated Head Gaskets, Cylinder Base & Cam Cover Gaskets, High-Capacity Clutch Spring

Still room for 4.125" cylinders in the future for more displacement.

11.0:1 CR

Nice.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:02:23 AM
If the 114 hp is as underrated as the 110, then yes, good bump, but if the 114 is accurate then there's going to be some disappointed people.  I guess we'll find out the truth once someone gets one on the rollers.

One thing that's evident is that the 80.6 crank hp for the 110 was wrong by a lot.  80 crank hp would be in the 60's at the wheel and no one saw anything that low (though I did see some in the mid 70's)

I see what you were saying.  Here's hoping it IS the same comparative metric.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Nemesis on August 23, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
From HD Germany

110 CVO is 98hp at 3750... So 100hp at 5000rpm  >:(

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/16/29/97/22/puissa10.png)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 10:14:42 AM
I see what you were saying.  Here's hoping it IS the same comparative metric.

Cheers to that, I hope I'm wrong.  I still don't want to be a beta tester though. ;)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on August 23, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
HD Website is updated with 2017 models
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 10:16:26 AM
Increases power by up to 24% when compared to the Original Equipment engine configuration
Delivers increased throttle response throughout the entire RPM range
Produces flexible roll-on passing power without a required downshift
Delivers excellent stop-light to freeway speed on-ramp acceleration
Retains Original Equipment Factory Warranty
50-State U.S. EPA compliant
Includes 4.075" Bolt-On Cylinders, Forged 11:1 High Compression Pistons, High performance Piston Rings and Tappets, SE8-498 Cam, Performance Valve Springs, Multi-layer coated Head Gaskets, Cylinder Base & Cam Cover Gaskets, High-Capacity Clutch Spring

Still room for 4.125" cylinders in the future for more displacement.

11.0:1 CR

Nice.

Yep, mine was 77hp at the rear wheel when it was bone stock out of the crate.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 23, 2016, 10:18:01 AM
The only cvo I seen was the one that some photos were leaked on here earlyer. On parascope
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 23, 2016, 10:19:25 AM
I like the Blue and Silver and maybe the Red other then that _______________!!!!!! The motor is listed at 10.5 to 1 and a 4 inch bore and a 4.5 inch stroke.


Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:20:49 AM
HD Website is updated with 2017 models

No CVOs yet. :(
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 23, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
No CVOs yet. :(

Better look again. I saw the CVO Limited's 10 minutes ago. Four colors this year including a very ugly green!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
Better look again. I saw the CVO Limited's 10 minutes ago. Four colors this year including a very ugly green!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Gotcha.  Here they are.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo.html

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 4fun on August 23, 2016, 10:28:29 AM
Just looked at the CVO Limiteds, not to impressed with the colors or paint schemes
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 10:29:47 AM
I don't care for blacked out motors.  Or blue.  So might have to stick with finding a 16 CVO SG in red.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:33:30 AM
FLHXSE6 Color Combos

Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink
Sunburst Orange / Starfire Black
Dark Slate Candy / Arctic Black
Starfire Black / Atomic Red
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 10:34:17 AM
Bumped the prices another $1000 across the board?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: blacktop on August 23, 2016, 10:34:53 AM
$2400 increase for the CVO LTD here in Canada - yikes!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
FLHXSE6 Color Combos

Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink
Sunburst Orange / Starfire Black
Dark Slate Candy / Arctic Black
Starfire Black / Atomic Red

There's going to be a Starfire Black / Atomic Red CVO Limited in my near future, including a 117 stage 3 upgrade kit http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
There's going to be a Starfire Black / Atomic Red CVO Limited in my near future, including a 117 stage 3 upgrade kit http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci

Sounds perfect to me. :)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
FLHTKSE4 Color Combos:

Palladium Silver & Phantom Blue w/Wicked Sapphire
Black Garnet & Electric Red Pearl w/Carbon Dust
Stardust Silver & Palladium Silver w/Carbon Dust
Spiked Olive & Serpentine Green w/Carbon Dust
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
With the Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink SESG, I can't help but be reminded of the 2004 FLHTCSE "Huckleberry". :D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 23, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
The green limited is one ugly bike...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 23, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
I'm likin the 4.5 stroke. I can see a 131 upgrade coming to a new CVO soon!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Boatman on August 23, 2016, 10:50:19 AM
I'll be happy for anyone who buys a 17 but the colors/paint schemes on the 17 CVO Limited and Streetglides leave much to be desired IMO..  No CVO Roadglide.  Maybe the engine and suspension will be worth it but I was done looking on their website in about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: blacktop on August 23, 2016, 10:52:33 AM
I'll be happy for anyone who buys a 17 but the colors/paint schemes on the 17 CVO Limited and Streetglides leave much to be desired IMO..  No CVO Roadglide.  Maybe the engine and suspension will be worth it but I was done looking on their website in about 5 minutes.

I agree.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 10:59:09 AM
IMO, the annual CVOs should be:

FLHTKSE Ultra Classic Limited
FLTRUSE Road Glide Ultra
FLHXSE Street Glide
FLTRXSE Road Glide Custom

Add a fifth model to rotate between Softails and Dynas, with a Road King every few years.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: acevtwin on August 23, 2016, 11:04:44 AM
YES! An Orange / Black CVO StreetGlide!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on August 23, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
The green limited is one ugly bike...

I agree! Looks more like split pea soup than olive green to me. Hard to make that color sound sexy though.

In my opinion the graphics are overwhelming on all but the stardust silver color, too much contrast from the base colors on the others for my taste.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2016, 11:18:26 AM
I still LOVE my Duracell.

9 model years later, still looking great and running strong!  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 23, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
New motor is of interest as to power/performance.  Appears HD now has a better power plant than in the past, from the numbers posted.  Marketing info says is "cooler" engine.  Would like to try that out to see, test rides will tell the tale.

Colors are ok/very good from what I have seen on the CVO SG & Limiteds, to me are an improvement over the past several years. 

Engine upgrade HP/TQ options should be more than interesting since the base starting point appears to be greater by a good margin.  Aftermarket options - headers,mufflers, breathers, tuners, cam, etc. - lots of changes.

Not much else has changed unless I missed it. Maybe suspension improvements? 


In 2 weeks, after people have seen the bikes in person, the comments on colors will be different from those who have seen them.  Bikes need to be seen in person, sunny day or well lit.  Pics never do them justice.

http://www.baggersmag.com/harley-davidson-milwaukee-eight?src=SOC&dom=fb#page-4 (http://www.baggersmag.com/harley-davidson-milwaukee-eight?src=SOC&dom=fb#page-4)
Article has more info on powertrain.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 23, 2016, 11:43:12 AM
Well I see they improved the rear shocks over the standard "boat anchor" air shocks, and now the oil capacity is 5qt.  They improved the front suspension internals as well.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 11:46:04 AM
FINALLY!!!!!!!

The Ultra gets the same derby cover as the other CVO bikes proudly displaying displacement. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ranger on August 23, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
And of course they come out with their version of a blue tooth headset, but you can't pair it with the bike, just your phone...LOL
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 23, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
The front portion of the seat seems very wide across the tank.  The seat looks like it would be really comfortable, but perhaps they should have trimmed that portion down. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Royalroadie on August 23, 2016, 12:21:52 PM
I find it kind of funny the four valve and dual spark plugs remind me of my old Yamaha RoadStar which was introduced in 1999.   Yes it looks to have great numbers but this type of engine is nothing new.   I wonder what took the motor company so long.  I have to say the Yamaha was a very bullet proof motor.  I saw many that has 60-100+ K on the clock without ever needing a repair.   It just needed the valves adjusted a couple of times during that kind of duty cycle with regular oil changes. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 23, 2016, 12:32:13 PM
Milwaukee Eight Videos: 

          See the valves at .16:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0a02sLwOAo

HD video to publish in about an hour. 


Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 12:45:07 PM
And of course they come out with their version of a blue tooth headset, but you can't pair it with the bike, just your phone...LOL
We saw that while watching the meeting but they gave no specs on it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
Shows 124 TQ at 3250 on the HD website now.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 01:19:56 PM
Shows 124 TQ at 3250 on the HD website now.

Anyone find the actual torque rating for the stage 3 117 kit?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ranger on August 23, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
I believe the wet head is dead....there goes the resale value...LOL
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2016, 02:09:38 PM
I believe the wet head is dead....there goes the resale value...LOL

The wet head twin cam is gone but the wet head Milwaukee 8 is alive in 114 variation:

All-New Twin-Cooled™ Milwaukee-Eight™ 114 Engine
If you started in 1909 with the very first Harley-Davidson® V-Twin engine and worked your way up through every engine, every innovation, every improvement, every ride, every durability test in all those years and countless miles since, you arrive at the Twin Cooled™ Milwaukee-Eight™ 114 engine. This is the top of the line. 114 cubic inches of air and precision cooled Harley-Davidson® V-Twin engine power. Twin cooling cools the heads around the exhaust ports to deliver at or near peak performance under all operating conditions and temperatures. Today, it’s a whole new ride.

Along with 107 variations:
All-New Twin-Cooled™ Milwaukee-Eight™ 107 Engine
If you started in 1909 with the very first Harley-Davidson® V-Twin engine and worked your way up through every engine, every innovation, every improvement, every ride, every durability test in all those years and countless miles since, you arrive at the Twin Cooled™ Milwaukee-Eight™ 107 engine. This is the top of the line. 107 cubic inches of air and precision cooled Harley-Davidson® V-Twin engine power. Twin cooling cools the heads around the exhaust ports to deliver at or near peak performance under all operating conditions and temperatures. Today, it’s a whole new ride.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2016, 02:53:45 PM
Looking at the assembly video, I'm guessing they redesigned the Milwaukee 8 from the top down but still placed the oil filter in the same dang location.  If the MoCo listened to their customers, Uda-thunk they would'a redesigned that small pain in the booty oil filter location, too...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: naitram on August 23, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
Looking at the assembly video, I'm guessing they redesigned the Milwaukee 8 from the top down but still placed the oil filter in the same dang location.  If the MoCo listened to their customers, Uda-thunk they would'a redesigned that small pain in the booty oil filter location, too...

they call that nostalgia
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
Looking at the assembly video, I'm guessing they redesigned the Milwaukee 8 from the top down but still placed the oil filter in the same dang location.  If the MoCo listened to their customers, Uda-thunk they would'a redesigned that small pain in the booty oil filter location, too...
I'm heading back to the dealer now to see what all he's taking off his truck today.... I'll try and get a pix if I remember.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 23, 2016, 03:24:17 PM
they call that nostalgia lazy
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: spook120 on August 23, 2016, 03:27:25 PM
So now the most important question:  Which CVO SG color will be the hot one this year?  After owning a mercury and grey bike I think I am partial to something a bit more subdued like the black and gray color scheme....What say the board???
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 23, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
With the Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink SESG, I can't help but be reminded of the 2004 FLHTCSE "Huckleberry". :D

[/Me too it was my favorite bike.  Not sure how the new one really compares
b]
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 23, 2016, 03:50:27 PM
So now the most important question:  Which CVO SG color will be the hot one this year?  After owning a mercury and grey bike I think I am partial to something a bit more subdued like the black and gray color scheme....What say the board???

None of them seem to fantasmic to me. I guess I'd be most attracted to the sunburst orange/starfire black or the dark slate candy/arctic black - likely the dark on black would appeal to me best in person.

For the Limited, blah, maybe Black Garnet and Electric Red Pearl.

Noticed they have the CVO Limited priced at $40,999 (RGU price from two years ago). Can anyone imagine a CVO RGU coming out at $43,499 ? Swallow Hard.

DH



Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 23, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Is far as I understand they are going to warrenty there stage kits witch would be kinda cool if you can do a stage 4 with pipes intake tune cam bored jugs pistons and heads and sill have factory esp why wouldn't you use there kit plus nobody is going to have after market parts for a while.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Texas 103 on August 23, 2016, 04:46:25 PM
Did they steal Vance & Hines V Rod  4 valve heads that NHRA outlawed and bolt 'em on?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: GSPLewie on August 23, 2016, 05:27:40 PM
These paint jobs though... My goodness Harley. So happy to have my 2012 CVO SG.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 23, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
So what does this big model roll out do to the value of the 14 - 16 CVO's? Raise them? lower them?
Who wants to start a pool on what the first warranty claim will be on the 2017's?
Front suspension locking up?
Engine locking up?
brakes failing?

 :oops:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 05:49:53 PM
So now the most important question:  Which CVO SG color will be the hot one this year?  After owning a mercury and grey bike I think I am partial to something a bit more subdued like the black and gray color scheme....What say the board???

Yep.  Dark Slate Candy / Arctic Black for me.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 05:52:16 PM
[/Me too it was my favorite bike.  Not sure how the new one really compares
b]

Classic versus Modern.  Incomparable.  But they're eerily close in ways.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
These paint jobs though... My goodness Harley. So happy to have my 2012 CVO SG.

The Ruby Red/Typhoon Maroon FLHXSE3 is the high-water mark for CVO baggers, IMHO.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
So what does this big model roll out do to the value of the 14 - 16 CVO's? Raise them? lower them?
Who wants to start a pool on what the first warranty claim will be on the 2017's?
Front suspension locking up?
Engine locking up?
brakes failing?

 :oops:

I heard an engine locked up rolling one off the trailer.   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: GSPLewie on August 23, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
The Ruby Red/Typhoon Maroon FLHXSE3 is the high-water mark for CVO baggers, IMHO.

Yea, I'm bias with having that color. But, HD knows what their buyers want. A paint job that looks like a goat/horns is just lame. They have this awesome white/black special bike package out that destroys all of these paint jobs.

The new Breakout paint job isn't even different than 2016's.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 06:41:43 PM
I'm heading back to the dealer now to see what all he's taking off his truck today.... I'll try and get a pix if I remember.
Yup. Still in the same spot. Check out that big oil cooler up front.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/cecae1401cabd54e23a1ed0e60a2db92.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 23, 2016, 07:02:50 PM
I heard an engine locked up rolling one off the trailer.   :nixweiss:



oops
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 23, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
looking forward to seeing them live
I held off putting 117 kit on mine to see these first
like the orange/ black in pictures anyway
also the black and grey bike looks like an old school metal flake paint from the 60s



question / I see a wheel choice or is it certain colors get chrome others get contrast or can you get either if you order bike
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
NO VALVE TRAIN NOISE on the new ones. Has a whirring sound like a roots style blower only much quieter.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Trigger-Man on August 23, 2016, 07:37:35 PM
NO VALVE TRAIN NOISE on the new ones. Has a whirring sound like a roots style blower only much quieter.
That in itself is an outstanding improvement ;D!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Eqcons on August 23, 2016, 07:56:07 PM
No mention that I can see in the specs of any of the bikes  :nixweiss: of CB Radio - no longer fitted as standard?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 23, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
IMO, the annual CVOs should be:

FLHTKSE Ultra Classic Limited
FLTRUSE Road Glide Ultra
FLHXSE Street Glide
FLTRXSE Road Glide Custom

Add a fifth model to rotate between Softails and Dynas, with a Road King every few years.

Idk the dang Ultra can be a CVO every year, and same with the street glide then your right Road glide should be also.

Very disappointed no FLTRXSE this year.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mr D on August 23, 2016, 08:49:54 PM
Idk the dang Ultra can be a CVO every year, and same with the street glide then your right Road glide should be also.

Very disappointed no FLTRXSE this year.

Next year, Dave
Along with new frame  8)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 23, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
I just put my name on the first sunburst orange/starfire black SG coming to my dealer.  He called me from Boston (or wherever the dealer show is at) so guess I'll be the beta-tester on this one.  Luckily I have the most reliable, comfortable and beautiful 2015 FLHTKSE on the planet for backup, otherwise buying a "first year production" H-D would be out of the question.  Let the fun begin.  Or, I may back out if I come to my senses in time.   :oops:   
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 23, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
Idk the dang Ultra can be a CVO every year, and same with the street glide then your right Road glide should be also.

Very disappointed no FLTRXSE this year.

Agreed.  An FLTRUSE and FLTRXSE should have been included this year (and every year).
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 23, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
Next year, Dave
Along with new frame  8)

Do we need a new frame? I think the improvement between the 2008 and the 2009 was just swell.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 23, 2016, 09:15:55 PM
I just put my name on the first sunburst orange/starfire black SG coming to my dealer.  He called me from Boston (or wherever the dealer show is at) so guess I'll be the beta-tester on this one.  Luckily I have the most reliable, comfortable and beautiful 2015 FLHTKSE on the planet for backup, otherwise buying a "first year production" H-D would be out of the question.  Let the fun begin.  Or, I may back out if I come to my senses in time.   :oops:   

Congrats Jimmy. Don't you still have a K1600 for backup to the backup too?  :)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
No mention that I can see in the specs of any of the bikes  :nixweiss:of CB Radio - no longer fitted as standard?
Service manager noted that also. I would hope it's still standard on the CVO Ultras.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
Service manager noted that also. I would hope it's still standard on the CVO Ultras.

No reference to a cb but all the pics show dual antennas. I assume one of them must be the cb....right?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2016, 09:58:52 PM
No reference to a cb but all the pics show dual antennas. I assume one of them must be the cb....right?
The Limited they have at my dealer does not have the PTT button on the right side and we looked into the radio features as well. It isn't there. I didn't bother to check for dual antennas. Those might be just an asthetic thing for the show and moco's website. I'll double check my pix and see if I have the back of that bike in any of them.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: speeder on August 23, 2016, 10:21:27 PM
Why does everyone keep saying there will be a new frame next year? If there was it seems odd anyone would know about it this soon anyhow
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2016, 11:01:41 PM
Why does everyone keep saying there will be a new frame next year? If there was it seems odd anyone would know about it this soon anyhow

Well, the machine shop next to my dads shop builds most of the frame jigs for HD, I'll do some digging and see if they're working on anything "top secret" over there yet. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 23, 2016, 11:08:10 PM
Congrats Jimmy. Don't you still have a K1600 for backup to the backup too?  :)

I seemed to have totaled the GTL 1600 on an undetected center curb.  Oops
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 23, 2016, 11:45:14 PM
Why does everyone keep saying there will be a new frame next year? If there was it seems odd anyone would know about it this soon anyhow

New "common frame" for Dynas and Touring bikes to be released in 2018. Probably a cost benefit in manufacturing combined with some handling improvements.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 23, 2016, 11:46:31 PM
Yup. Still in the same spot. Check out that big oil cooler up front.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/cecae1401cabd54e23a1ed0e60a2db92.jpg)


Hmmmm...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: speeder on August 23, 2016, 11:49:55 PM
New "common frame" for Dynas and Touring bikes to be released in 2018. Probably a cost benefit in manufacturing combined with some handling improvements.

Not that I doubt you but does anyone have any solid proof to back this up? Or where is this information coming from? I have heard this same thing regarding a common core frame on several forums.
Thanks
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 24, 2016, 12:10:49 AM
I seemed to have totaled the GTL 1600 on an undetected center curb.  Oops

Ugh.. so sorry. So the insurance money going to the 2017?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 24, 2016, 01:56:40 AM
I seemed to have totaled the GTL 1600 on an undetected center curb.  Oops

I'll say,  :oops:     I hope you're okay!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Nemesis on August 24, 2016, 04:08:31 AM
The softail and CVO line with 103 and 110 must change for europe from january 2017.
Twin Cam was authorize for selling in 2016, but no more on 2017 !

What is you opinion ? New line in january ?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: yobtaf103 on August 24, 2016, 04:46:49 AM


Hmmmm...

They will sell you the fan to go behind that rad !!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TNCarters on August 24, 2016, 09:12:36 AM
Not in the market to replace my '15 RGU but noticed a pic from Boston that not sure what I'm looking at. Looks like a CVO RG but some items don't look like a CVO. Wonder if there are some customs at the show taking a RG Special and adding paint and CVO parts.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TNCarters on August 24, 2016, 09:32:02 AM
I see on another thread this is a custom paint set that has apparently had CVO bags and air cleaner added.  Still not a bad looking bike. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 24, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
I just put my name on the first sunburst orange/starfire black SG coming to my dealer.  He called me from Boston (or wherever the dealer show is at) so guess I'll be the beta-tester on this one.  Luckily I have the most reliable, comfortable and beautiful 2015 FLHTKSE on the planet for backup, otherwise buying a "first year production" H-D would be out of the question.  Let the fun begin.  Or, I may back out if I come to my senses in time.   :oops:   
Now that is THE color Jimmy!  Man I wish that color was offered on the CVO Limited, I'd be all over it.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: guppytrash on August 24, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
New suspension! 
Never mind... same old shock they sold on the CVO street glide for a couple years.
This is going to kill the sale of $50 HD hand air pumps ($70 if you want the digital version).


Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 24, 2016, 11:19:06 AM
Now that is THE color Jimmy!  Man I wish that color was offered on the CVO Limited, I'd be all over it.   :2vrolijk_21:

Color kinda reminds me of the 2007 Jester and we all know there were never any problems with that year.  Right?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 24, 2016, 01:00:12 PM
New suspension! 
Never mind... same old shock they sold on the CVO street glide for a couple years.
This is going to kill the sale of $50 HD hand air pumps ($70 if you want the digital version).

I keep mine around for the lawn mower tires... ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 24, 2016, 02:25:40 PM
Color kinda reminds me of the 2007 Jester and we all know there were never any problems with that year.  Right?
Problems?  What problems?   ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JIMINVA on August 24, 2016, 02:43:07 PM
Well...maybe the engine "technology" will be a BIG deal.  But the colors are not even so-so IMHO.  As for buying the "first year" of anything - I vote know - I learned the hard way when I bought the 14 LTD - I was one of the LEMONS that required complete cooling system replacement - but - in typical MOCO fashion - they did it in pieces over a 3 month period. No more "firsts" for me. Jimmy
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: rayson56 on August 24, 2016, 02:51:24 PM
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 24, 2016, 03:05:57 PM
Problems?  What problems?   ;D

My 2007 Jester would veer automatically whenever it was in sight of a service department.  It had an addiction to sitting on top of bike lifts.  >:(
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 24, 2016, 03:51:38 PM
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.

You are correct.... I had not noticed that before....odd! They did not do that on the Ultras????n
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 24, 2016, 04:38:30 PM
You are correct.... I had not noticed that before....odd! They did not do that on the Ultras????n

Hmmmmm, that's rather unusual but I think I like the reverse paint on the CVO SG. Interesting. My brother just saw the CVO bikes at a demo ride setup at Brian's HD in Pa. No test riding until Sat but he got to see the bikes up close and hear them running. Both the 114 and the 107 sound very similar and the exhaust was FAR FAR quieter than a stock 96.

What's the consensus looking at both the CVO SG or the CVO Limited.... since we have a choice......do you prefer the mirror chrome wheels or the contrast chrome? I'm leaning towards the contrast chrome (primarily for ease of cleaning!)

Here's a video of the engine running of a Demo 2017 CVO Limited in "Black Garnet & Electric Red Pearl with Carbon Dust" (could they make the color name any longer???)


https://youtu.be/SALeK_mHDa4
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: rayson56 on August 24, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
And what the heck will the paint scheme for the tour pack look like on the Streetglide?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 24, 2016, 06:02:29 PM
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.

This is exactly why I decided on the Dark Slate Candy / Arctic Black over the others.  Less contrast.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 24, 2016, 06:20:39 PM
Not in the market to replace my '15 RGU but noticed a pic from Boston that not sure what I'm looking at. Looks like a CVO RG but some items don't look like a CVO. Wonder if there are some customs at the show taking a RG Special and adding paint and CVO parts.
On HDs site it list that paint set at $5k plus another $2k for the saddlebags. I did not research it past that to see if that included the front fender or not. I'm guessing it'll be a $45k+ price tag on it by the time it's all done. Only 200 each of that color and the green color will be available.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gnarl78 on August 24, 2016, 06:23:09 PM
I'm not impressed with the 2017 paint schemes. Looks like the biggest improvements for the price came in the Ultra Limited.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 24, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
No reference to a cb but all the pics show dual antennas. I assume one of them must be the cb....right?

Stopped by the dealer again today. Only one antenna on the new Ultras. At least they were smart enough to put it on the hinge side of the TP.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: CVOfan on August 24, 2016, 06:35:23 PM
Another year of black motors....even if the paint on the tins looked good enough for me to ride one home, all the black painted parts is a deal breaker for me.  My vote is for more chrome.  :2vrolijk_21:  IMO, the Street Glides haven't been up to par for a CVO paint job since 2012. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Aussie on August 24, 2016, 07:04:04 PM
Another year of black motors....even if the paint on the tins looked good enough for me to ride one home, all the black painted parts is a deal breaker for me.  My vote is for more chrome.  :2vrolijk_21:  IMO, the Street Glides haven't been up to par for a CVO paint job since 2012.

Not a fan of the paint scheme and black engine.
CVO for me is granite engine and more chrome. In 2012 they hit the mark on the street glides excluding the lifters and cam bearings.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 24, 2016, 07:51:28 PM
Not a fan of the paint scheme and black engine.
CVO for me is granite engine and more chrome. In 2012 they hit the mark on the street glides excluding the lifters and cam bearings.

Speaking of lifters, the new engines have gone back to the old "C" lifters, even the CVO.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 24, 2016, 07:52:47 PM
Stopped by the dealer to look over and ride a 2017 street glide special Laguna orange. :2vrolijk_21: My first impression is wow, the 107 feels like it has tons of torque from 2000 to 3700 but once you pass 4000 you might as well shift because it seems to fall off quickly. The 10 row oil cooler is huge and there is plenty of room behind it for the fan assist." 0"valve train noise, 1st gear "clunk" is pretty much gone even at temp, no compensator backlash (yet),  no neutral rattle (yet), and vibration is almost non existent. Clutch engagement still at 90% of lever travel. 

Check out the pic. OIL PRESSURE "OK"... WTH. In other words I guess the mothership is telling us ..... don't worry about it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Eqcons on August 24, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Clutch engagement still at 90% of lever travel. 


 :(
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Whitehorse on August 24, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Another year of black motors....even if the paint on the tins looked good enough for me to ride one home, all the black painted parts is a deal breaker for me.  My vote is for more chrome.  :2vrolijk_21:  IMO, the Street Glides haven't been up to par for a CVO paint job since 2012.
Exactly!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 24, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
On HDs site it list that paint set at $5k plus another $2k for the saddlebags. I did not research it past that to see if that included the front fender or not. I'm guessing it'll be a $45k+ price tag on it by the time it's all done. Only 200 each of that color and the green color will be available.

Santa Fe Harley still has there's for sale. They did a nice job on it but I think their original asking price was around $52k. To me it's just another fancy Road Glide and doesn't carry value because it's not listed in the NADA book as a HD Model. So you might as well treat it like a RGS with a ton of accessories. And what are those accessories worth after you leave the showroom floor?

DH
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 24, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.

So the Starfire Black/Atomic Red is sort of inverted with the rear end being predominately Atomic Red with Starfire Black trim. A plus for those who love "RED".

DH
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 24, 2016, 08:18:55 PM
:(

Agreed.  I was hoping for a different feel. Some people like it but not me.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 24, 2016, 08:23:52 PM
Black motor depends on the bike.  Loved it on my Skunk, (12 SERG)  its ok on my Anniversary paint SERK.  Do not like it on dark bikes.  Do like it on the orange and the red 17 street glide CVO's but not the gray black one.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 24, 2016, 09:04:23 PM
Looks like new saddlebag latches also. Screw on? Sorry for the blurry pic.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 24, 2016, 09:36:36 PM
Stopped by the dealer again today. Only one antenna on the new Ultras. At least they were smart enough to put it on the hinge side of the TP.

I believe the CB is now only offered from the factory on the CVO Limited.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ACfixer on August 24, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
You guys use the CB? I never have... with cell phones and bluetooth etc. I'm not sure the reason, group riding? Our group is usually 4 bikes or less.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 24, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
You guys use the CB? I never have... with cell phones and bluetooth etc. I'm not sure the reason, group riding? Our group is usually 4 bikes or less.

I use it regularly. Whenever we do long trips we usually have 6-10 bikes together riding 2-up for a week or more. There's no other technology that can cover a mile or so and allow all riders and passengers to hear and participate in the communication. No BT or cell phone technology has yet been developed that allows broad communication to multiple bikes, both rider and passenger with coverage of a mile or more. All other technologies are still a lesser compromise to a CB. At least that I'm aware of for use on a motorcycle.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on August 24, 2016, 10:25:03 PM
I believe the CB is now only offered from the factory on the CVO Limited.
I believe they made the change in 2014.

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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 24, 2016, 10:27:09 PM
I checked with a dealer today who had a '17 Ultra Limited on the floor... Only one antenna and no PTT button, so it appears the Limited does NOT come equipped with a CB.

They didn't have a CVO Limited yet, but the pictures all show them having 2 antennas and the specs say the CVO "supports" a CB.  He imagined by that you can order a CB to add on to the CVO Limited, but he wasn't sure at this point if the regular Limited even allowed for that.  :nixweiss:

I realize that many most do not use a CB, but I regularly ride with 20-30 and we use them all the time.  The CB has proven to be a great way (in a large group) to communicate from the back to the front of the line that we've made the light and are all still together as one group, or from the front to back about hazards on the road, etc.

I guess the writing was on the wall when the '14's came out and the PTT and Cruise buttons where switched from one side to the other.  I was told back then that the days were numbered for the CB on bikes.  Too bad, I say.  Even when it is only my wife and I on a trip, I regularly listen to the truckers for what is up ahead and sometimes have great conversations with them... 4 wheelers can't do that as a rule.  Oh well, at least my favourite songs won't get interrupted anymore!  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 24, 2016, 10:34:48 PM
Read somewhere else the CB was included on the 17 CVO Limited, reliable source.  Not a big deal for me, used to use it a lot.  Last few years CB is more of a PITA to listen to ...nevermind.  Usually mine is left off, to enjoy the road/scenery better.  And the tunes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: lowflight on August 25, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Interesting that all models will now have the crank compensator similar to the T/C B motors. I was impressed that the oil capacity was increased, but then read that the Road King uses the Oil as the liquid for the "wet head". Lots of changes as a redesign should be, how it will all work out as always remains to be seen. I am glad to see the move that still retains the basic design, more and more challenges with such an old basic design and tighter and tighter emission restrictions. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Eqcons on August 25, 2016, 04:39:11 AM
I believe they made the change in 2014.

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Nope.  This is the first year that there's no CB on the Limited.

That would be a showstopper for me.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 25, 2016, 06:26:44 AM
Nope.  This is the first year that there's no CB on the Limited.

That would be a showstopper for me.

The Ultra Limited only has 1 antenna. The CVO limited still has 2 antennas. I assume that means the CVO LIMITED is the last bike with a CB. Based on the description of the new head sets maybe they truly can replace the CB with the BT headset. http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/boom%21-audio-20s-bluetooth-helmet-dual-headset-pack
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mr. Warlock on August 25, 2016, 07:10:54 AM
Got to ride both a 107 Street Glide and a 107 Road Glide last evening. There is no valve train noise to speak of, only a muted swirling sound, the motors on both were very quiet. The exhaust is very quiet on start up and idle but when you give it some throttle the exhaust note picks up and gets louder as you twist. Going down the road the exhaust really doesn't sound bad for an emissions compliant exhaust system. The exhaust sounds pretty good when getting on it, *again, for a stock system.

I am not easily impressed from a performance stand point, but I have to say, for a "stock" out of the box new bike, I was pretty impressed with this new motor (and bike). I didn't beat it up as it's brand new and appreciated the opportunity to get an early test ride but I gave them a pretty good run. The bikes are quick, you can feel the acceleration improvement immediately and once you get up around 2700 and especially 3000 you can really feel the added torque and acceleration. The motor has a loose and quick to respond feel that I have never felt on any stock big twin motor before. In my opinion, the guys that are usually on the fence for a stage one kit will not need to even think about one now.
There was almost NO vibration, which for me I like, when I say almost none I mean very, very little.
Of course there was heat on my right leg but definitely less than the previous. I like the way they have the rear exhaust pipe tucked in close to the motor. It appears like they did most of the turn out in the exhaust port of the head instead of in the pipe, which I also like. (this is only a guess obviously)
All is based on my impressions of "stock" and based on my impressions of this 107, the 114 is going to be a home run.
Of course we need to qualify with the usual "time will tell the full story" but for right out of the box I think they knocked it out of the park.

There was no first gear clunk from either bike and very little comp / chain clunk at any time. There was a muted clunk shifting to the upper gears but 5th and 6th was very quiet as was down shifting. Finding neutral was easier than in the past, for a new bike.

I went looking for every bump I could find and found this to be the smoothest riding "Harley" (non ultra) "Stock" I have ever been on. We already know that they changed the front end and it was smooth. I know the rear shocks appear to be the previous hand adjustables but sure seamed to be an improved version, maybe they have simply re-valved or changed dampening. I didn't take time to read anything about the rears so maybe the answer is right in front of me?
I took them both to near scraping the floor boards and the bikes felt planted and I felt no need to back off whatsoever, there was a very good feeling of stability.

I didn't take time to play with any gadgets, sound system sounded good on both.

And before you think it.............. I'm no coolaid drinker, just my unbiased opinion.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: cvosjoe on August 25, 2016, 07:27:21 AM
Nope.  This is the first year that there's no CB on the Limited.

That would be a showstopper for me.
Sorry, I was referring to the Ultra. I first noticed no CB in 2014. Thanks for the info on the 2017 Limited.

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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 25, 2016, 07:44:06 AM
Looks like new saddlebag latches also. Screw on? Sorry for the blurry pic.

Thanks for the pic of the new saddlebag connectors.  Another "good" idea from the MoCo engineering department that never thought about how intrusive items like this are.  The old connectors weren't in the way....these new ones would catch on everything you put into or take out of the bags.... :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 25, 2016, 07:45:53 AM
Got to ride both a 107 Street Glide and a 107 Road Glide last evening. There is no valve train noise to speak of, only a muted swirling sound, the motors on both were very quiet. The exhaust is very quiet on start up and idle but when you give it some throttle the exhaust note picks up and gets louder as you twist. Going down the road the exhaust really doesn't sound bad for an emissions compliant exhaust system. The exhaust sounds pretty good when getting on it, *again, for a stock system.

I am not easily impressed from a performance stand point, but I have to say, for a "stock" out of the box new bike, I was pretty impressed with this new motor (and bike). I didn't beat it up as it's brand new and appreciated the opportunity to get an early test ride but I gave them a pretty good run. The bikes are quick, you can feel the acceleration improvement immediately and once you get up around 2700 and especially 3000 you can really feel the added torque and acceleration. The motor has a loose and quick to respond feel that I have never felt on any stock big twin motor before. In my opinion, the guys that are usually on the fence for a stage one kit will not need to even think about one now.
There was almost NO vibration, which for me I like, when I say almost none I mean very, very little.
Of course there was heat on my right leg but definitely less than the previous. I like the way they have the rear exhaust pipe tucked in close to the motor. It appears like they did most of the turn out in the exhaust port of the head instead of in the pipe, which I also like. (this is only a guess obviously)
All is based on my impressions of "stock" and based on my impressions of this 107, the 114 is going to be a home run.
Of course we need to qualify with the usual "time will tell the full story" but for right out of the box I think they knocked it out of the park.

There was no first gear clunk from either bike and very little comp / chain clunk at any time. There was a muted clunk shifting to the upper gears but 5th and 6th was very quiet as was down shifting. Finding neutral was easier than in the past, for a new bike.

I went looking for every bump I could find and found this to be the smoothest riding "Harley" (non ultra) "Stock" I have ever been on. We already know that they changed the front end and it was smooth. I know the rear shocks appear to be the previous hand adjustables but sure seamed to be an improved version, maybe they have simply re-valved or changed dampening. I didn't take time to read anything about the rears so maybe the answer is right in front of me?
I took them both to near scraping the floor boards and the bikes felt planted and I felt no need to back off whatsoever, there was a very good feeling of stability.

I didn't take time to play with any gadgets, sound system sounded good on both.

And before you think it.............. I'm no coolaid drinker, just my unbiased opinion.

Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 25, 2016, 09:00:05 AM
Thanks for sharing

X 2   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Gnarl78 on August 25, 2016, 09:04:51 AM
I use it regularly. Whenever we do long trips we usually have 6-10 bikes together riding 2-up for a week or more. There's no other technology that can cover a mile or so and allow all riders and passengers to hear and participate in the communication. No BT or cell phone technology has yet been developed that allows broad communication to multiple bikes, both rider and passenger with coverage of a mile or more. All other technologies are still a lesser compromise to a CB. At least that I'm aware of for use on a motorcycle.

Yep, me too! Very useful where you don't have any cellular coverage even if it's relatively short range on our bikes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Eqcons on August 25, 2016, 09:11:18 AM
Thanks for the pic of the new saddlebag connectors.  Another "good" idea from the MoCo engineering department that never thought about how intrusive items like this are.  The old connectors weren't in the way....these new ones would catch on everything you put into or take out of the bags.... :nixweiss:

It's offered in the P&A section for bikes not equipped as standard - $300-odd, but Switchpack, housing and PTT button have to be purchased separately on top.  Bend over and grab the table again time!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 25, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
For those of us who ride in groups larger than 2-4 bikes, a CB is very convenient; especially for those of us who also have a "chase" vehicle with a trailer along for overnights.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JC on August 25, 2016, 11:05:17 AM
Thanks for the pic of the new saddlebag connectors.  Another "good" idea from the MoCo engineering department that never thought about how intrusive items like this are.  The old connectors weren't in the way....these new ones would catch on everything you put into or take out of the bags.... :nixweiss:

I agree. I have rode baggers for 18 years and never had a problem with the latches. guess anything is possible.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on August 25, 2016, 05:20:21 PM
My 2007 Jester would veer automatically whenever it was in sight of a service department.  It had an addiction to sitting on top of bike lifts.  >:(
Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on August 25, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
think im stopping Saturday in KC at the power train plant on my way to Arkansas, they are having a demo ride day...maybe they will have some CVOs there and i can get some pics, and a test ride or two
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 25, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Vance & Hines picked up a 2017 Road Glide Special today from my dealer to start development of pipes and mufflers.  Their bike is Laguna Orange which is, as best as I can describe, Pearl Orange and is an extremely good looking bike.  Though there is not a CVO Road Glide this year, the Special with a set of custom wheels would be a home run.

If the M8 runs as good as the engine looks, it may be iconic.  I'm lucky enough to have a Knuckle and Pan (and Twinkie) and I think the M8 will be thought of in that class in the future.  Whether it runs worth a chit is TBD.

JMHO
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 25, 2016, 10:52:53 PM
Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:

Some of the 07s were good bikes. Like yours.  Not mine.  Besides the engine oil seep issue (fixed after 2 tries, all ok afterward) it had electrical gremlins and security system problems that were repeat problems that never went away. Would shut the bike down leaving me stranded.  Also, sometimes the right grip would shock my hand, always when the heated grips were turned off. Never could get it to do that at a service dept., was too random.  Multiple attempts to fix all the wiring issues, finally gave up on it for my 10.

The engine problems did not cause me the problems that others experienced.  Dealer here was great, even gave me a loaner bike to ride when in the shop. 

New motor looks really good.  Much speculation about some supposed problems but when somebody gets one cracked open figure that will be the better info.  Bottom end hopefully is improved as well.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 25, 2016, 11:19:00 PM
Some of the 07s were good bikes. Like yours.  Not mine.  Besides the engine oil seep issue (fixed after 2 tries, all ok afterward) it had electrical gremlins and security system problems that were repeat problems that never went away. Would shut the bike down leaving me stranded.  Also, sometimes the right grip would shock my hand, always when the heated grips were turned off. Never could get it to do that at a service dept., was too random.  Multiple attempts to fix all the wiring issues, finally gave up on it for my 10.

The engine problems did not cause me the problems that others experienced.  Dealer here was great, even gave me a loaner bike to ride when in the shop. 

New motor looks really good.  Much speculation about some supposed problems but when somebody gets one cracked open figure that will be the better info.  Bottom end hopefully is improved as well.
I loved my '07 for all the 96k miles I put on it but it certainly did try my patience.  Oil leakage at the rear cylinder/head gasket area was 'repaired' three times before the engine took a chit at 22k due to valve guide failure and was replaced entirely.  Then the 0905 'product improvement' I think it was called to that new motor caused an oil leak at the base gasket.  After all that it was A-OK for another 60k before the second motor took a chit due to lifter and cam bearing failure.  And oh yeah the heat, oh the heat that thing put out was finally resolved with the Khromeworks header with the cross under set up.  How and why I stayed with the moco through that beta testing experience I'm not sure - well yes I am.  The HDs are the best looking most comfortable bikes available and it just feels so damn good to ride them even with all their shortcomings.  Pass the koolaid I'll have another sip, lol. ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: hard10 on August 25, 2016, 11:26:56 PM
Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:

 :2vrolijk_21:  Jerry is just realizing what he is now missing.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 26, 2016, 12:29:58 AM
Vance & Hines picked up a 2017 Road Glide Special today from my dealer to start development of pipes and mufflers.  Their bike is Laguna Orange which is, as best as I can describe, Pearl Orange and is an extremely good looking bike.  Though there is not a CVO Road Glide this year, the Special with a set of custom wheels would be a home run.

If the M8 runs as good as the engine looks, it may be iconic.  I'm lucky enough to have a Knuckle and Pan (and Twinkie) and I think the M8 will be thought of in that class in the future.  Whether it runs worth a chit is TBD.

JMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT2axpLM4RM
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: spook120 on August 26, 2016, 09:42:32 AM
Reliable rumor has it that S&S just picked up 2 new bikes from local dealer.  Want to bet they are in pieces by now? Seems there will be rapid aftermarket support for the new motor.  Good to know.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: skreminegul07 on August 26, 2016, 02:19:43 PM
Does anybody have access to the new 2017 Tech Forum or whatever it was called to educate the dealers on the new bikes, parts, tools, etc.  I always found that to be most helpful.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 26, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
Fullsac also has a bike.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TNCarters on August 26, 2016, 03:21:43 PM
FuelMoto has a 107 as well.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 26, 2016, 05:04:01 PM
Just stopped at my local dealer, they said MoCo is cutting overall production by 11,000 cycles this year, and CVOs would be cut by a bigger percentage to bring back "exclusivity".  I doubt the CVO reduction stands, as they make the largest profits on them.

Anyone seen MY16 CVO production totals yet?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 26, 2016, 05:16:51 PM
I have been told the same thing. Several dealers have offered me the 2017 CVO Limited with $3000 off. On Monday Harley stock was not on the buy list.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Pan1 on August 26, 2016, 05:56:13 PM
Production cut and limited CVO offering is probably just a strategic hedge against possible warranty issues. Having been an OEM equip Mfg, it is best to put out limited product.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 26, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
Just stopped at my local dealer, they said MoCo is cutting overall production by 11,000 cycles this year, and CVOs would be cut by a bigger percentage to bring back "exclusivity".  I doubt the CVO reduction stands, as they make the largest profits on them.

Anyone seen MY16 CVO production totals yet?

MY16 production totals won't be available until mid-December.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 26, 2016, 07:19:21 PM
Having produced almost 6400 SESGs in 2015, I'd say "reduced production to restore exclusivity" will still mean plenty of units.  That 6400 was an epic high production for CVO models.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 26, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
Having produced almost 6400 SESGs in 2015, I'd say "reduced production to restore exclusivity" will still mean plenty of units.  That 6400 was an epic high production for CVO models.

I'd guess similar numbers for 16 SESG based on what I see still for sale, and the hundreds I saw in sturgis this year.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 26, 2016, 11:09:59 PM
think im stopping Saturday in KC at the power train plant on my way to Arkansas, they are having a demo ride day...maybe they will have some CVOs there and i can get some pics, and a test ride or two
Good deal. Let us know whatcha find out and think about the new bikes.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 26, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
I'd guess similar numbers for 16 SESG based on what I see still for sale, and the hundreds I saw in sturgis this year.

I'll find out for sure in less than 4 months.  I always get the production numbers every year.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 27, 2016, 07:03:51 PM
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer.  Here is what I learned and my observations:

Just the facts ma'am, not good nor bad:

The Limiteds (both CVO and non-CVO) are water cooled; all others are oil cooled.  The water cooled bikes have no oil cooler but do have a huge ugly plastic shield (for lack of a better description) where the oil cooler would be.  Don't know why.   :nixweiss:

Saddlebag latches are bolts with a wing so you do not need a wrench to remove/install.

The adjustable shocks have the adjustment on the left shock only.  The right shock has no adjustment.  I think it preferable to put the adjuster on the right side as you have to remove the saddlebag mounting bolts and at least tilt the bag away from the bike to access the adjuster.  On the left side gravity works against you making it more difficult to hold the lose bag and since the bike is leaning on that side more difficult to see the adjuster.  I would prefer it on the right side.

As previously reported no CB standard on any model save the CVO Limited.  If you want a CB on any other model be prepared to dump some for the CB module, antenna, switch pack, PTT button, wiring harness, etc.  I've not thoroughly researched it but I'll bet parts alone in the $700-$800 range and no idea what install at the dealer would be - a few hours for sure.  So the moco sure saved themselves some bucks here (they didn't lower the price of the bikes, lol) and assured themselves a nice big fat ticket for those who do want a CB.  Way to go moco, not!

I spoke to a service writer at the first dealer and the service manager at the second.  As best I can determine there is no provision for valve adjustment other than the hydraulic lifter which operates a single pushrod which actuates a crows foot/bridged rocker arm controlling two valves.  The service manager was at the dealer show and reported that the moco said the rockers would 'wear in' and the adjustment synchronize between the valves over time.  Huh?   :nixweiss:

Test ride impressions of the 2017 Limited:

Motor was smooth and quiet.  Fortunately I've not had a problem with valve clatter on my 2012 (well I am hard of hearing, lol) so I really could not tell any difference here.  Motor was strong and from the short distance I was able to ride seems to pull as well as my '12 110" which is also bone stock.  The test ride was not all that long but no complaints about the heat from the motor and it was a hot day - 90 degrees.  So no complaints here at all.

I like the narrow primary as the older style is so intrusive - and hot should your calf touch it when backing up!

Suspension:  it has been so long since I've ridden a stock Harley I don't actually recall how bad they were but the '17 is very nice.  I purposely hit several bumps and imperfections in the road surface when I could find them and have no complaints about the suspension.  But honestly it does not seem any better that my '12 with the Premium Ride Cartridges up front and the Legend Aeros on the rear.

Clutch & tranny:  Here is where I found some objection.  The clutch performed just fine and I did not notice 'late engagement' - well not later than on my '12 anyway.  What I did notice was increased effort to pull the clutch in.  Not really that noticeable when shifting but when stopped at a light it is definitely stiffer than the other hydraulics I've had - '06; '07; '11 and '12 - so I'm not stranger to hydraulic clutches.  It wasn't bad, just stiffer.

But the tranny had a odd characteristic.  I didn't notice the first gear clunk but when shifting up or down there is definitely a loud, distinct, noticeable clunk for lack of a better description.  There was no clashing, metallic noise or other disconcerting sound - just a noticeable clunk with each shift.  And after a while I noticed that with the clunk I could actually feel it in the clutch lever - slight but it was there.  Don't know if it was an anomaly but the escort rider (yes they had to escort me on the test ride) was on a '17 Street Glide and when I mentioned this he said his bike made the clunk also but he had not noticed anything in the lever.  Strange but definitely there.

So overall if I were in the market for a new bike I would definitely seriously consider a '17 (CVO of course!).  But since I have no pressing reason to trade I plan to keep my '12 cuse7.  I just don't see enough improvement to dump $000 on a trade and with 63.5k on mine's clock and now five model years old the difference to trade would be significant - $20 or more I'm sure, probably a few thou more.  Not worth it to me.



Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 27, 2016, 07:24:26 PM

Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer.  Here is what I learned and my observations:


I was all over the parts manuals for them today and a couple of technical specs manual got to see then did a test ride too Jerry.  There is no adjustment on the rockers.  They do still use the -99C lifters.  Since they are loaded so much differently just have to wait and see whether they're any good or not.

I got to ride a 16 and a 17 back to back for a test ride (they thought I'd for sure pony up for the newer bike if I did).  At least on those two bikes (both Road Kings) the suspension on the 17 was better.  Front wheel stayed on the ground noticeably more and the rear was just more stable.  The 17's engine was notiecably quieter and smoother.  Much less vibration.  The internal balancer combined with the rubber mount seems to be doing their thing quite well on this bike.  I actually quite like the little "whirr" sound from the gears for the balancer.

Now just have to watch the civilian fleet in service for a year or so and see what Harley has screwed up and what they've got right.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 27, 2016, 07:49:43 PM
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer.  Here is what I learned and my observations:

Just the facts ma'am, not good nor bad:

The Limiteds (both CVO and non-CVO) are water cooled; all others are oil cooled.  The water cooled bikes have no oil cooler but do have a huge ugly plastic shield (for lack of a better description) where the oil cooler would be.  Don't know why.   :nixweiss:

Saddlebag latches are bolts with a wing so you do not need a wrench to remove/install.

The adjustable shocks have the adjustment on the left shock only.  The right shock has no adjustment.  I think it preferable to put the adjuster on the right side as you have to remove the saddlebag mounting bolts and at least tilt the bag away from the bike to access the adjuster.  On the left side gravity works against you making it more difficult to hold the lose bag and since the bike is leaning on that side more difficult to see the adjuster.  I would prefer it on the right side.

As previously reported no CB standard on any model save the CVO Limited.  If you want a CB on any other model be prepared to dump some for the CB module, antenna, switch pack, PTT button, wiring harness, etc.  I've not thoroughly researched it but I'll bet parts alone in the $700-$800 range and no idea what install at the dealer would be - a few hours for sure.  So the moco sure saved themselves some bucks here (they didn't lower the price of the bikes, lol) and assured themselves a nice big fat ticket for those who do want a CB.  Way to go moco, not!

I spoke to a service writer at the first dealer and the service manager at the second.  As best I can determine there is no provision for valve adjustment other than the hydraulic lifter which operates a single pushrod which actuates a crows foot/bridged rocker arm controlling two valves.  The service manager was at the dealer show and reported that the moco said the rockers would 'wear in' and the adjustment synchronize between the valves over time.  Huh?   :nixweiss:

Test ride impressions of the 2017 Limited:

Motor was smooth and quiet.  Fortunately I've not had a problem with valve clatter on my 2012 (well I am hard of hearing, lol) so I really could not tell any difference here.  Motor was strong and from the short distance I was able to ride seems to pull as well as my '12 110" which is also bone stock.  The test ride was not all that long but no complaints about the heat from the motor and it was a hot day - 90 degrees.  So no complaints here at all.

I like the narrow primary as the older style is so intrusive - and hot should your calf touch it when backing up!

Suspension:  it has been so long since I've ridden a stock Harley I don't actually recall how bad they were but the '17 is very nice.  I purposely hit several bumps and imperfections in the road surface when I could find them and have no complaints about the suspension.  But honestly it does not seem any better that my '12 with the Premium Ride Cartridges up front and the Legend Aeros on the rear.

Clutch & tranny:  Here is where I found some objection.  The clutch performed just fine and I did not notice 'late engagement' - well not later than on my '12 anyway.  What I did notice was increased effort to pull the clutch in.  Not really that noticeable when shifting but when stopped at a light it is definitely stiffer than the other hydraulics I've had - '06; '07; '11 and '12 - so I'm not stranger to hydraulic clutches.  It wasn't bad, just stiffer.

But the tranny had a odd characteristic.  I didn't notice the first gear clunk but when shifting up or down there is definitely a loud, distinct, noticeable clunk for lack of a better description.  There was no clashing, metallic noise or other disconcerting sound - just a noticeable clunk with each shift.  And after a while I noticed that with the clunk I could actually feel it in the clutch lever - slight but it was there.  Don't know if it was an anomaly but the escort rider (yes they had to escort me on the test ride) was on a '17 Street Glide and when I mentioned this he said his bike made the clunk also but he had not noticed anything in the lever.  Strange but definitely there.

So overall if I were in the market for a new bike I would definitely seriously consider a '17 (CVO of course!).  But since I have no pressing reason to trade I plan to keep my '12 cuse7.  I just don't see enough improvement to dump $000 on a trade and with 63.5k on mine's clock and now five model years old the difference to trade would be significant - $20 or more I'm sure, probably a few thou more.  Not worth it to me.



Thanks follow the great work write up. Do you want u mind sharing how many miles you've ridden ur '12 CVO?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 27, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
Jerry gave a great report.  Will give a Clif Notes version of my demo on a 17 SG today.

Test rode a 2017 SG today.  Bone stock 107.  Plenty of power.  In 6th loafed it from 70 to under 50, then rolled throttle & it went up to 85 mph with no issue & no lugging.  Counterbalanced, no shakey shake.  Quieter motor, less squirrel cage sounds at idle.  Exhaust note a little deeper/better, suppose due to new non rattlebox motor not rattleboxing.  Linked brakes very good.  Suspension, especially front was better at keeping front wheel down on bumpy curves.  Back suspension better/stiffer on this ride. Less heat, no hot spots, rode when temp was 93 F.  Clutch is an odd feel.  Engage point very different, almost feels electric.  Not bad but would take some getting used to.  Air cleaner has an indent, is thinner for right knee - very nice, felt more comfortable.

Heard rockers were preset at factory, and they can be adjusted but should not need adjustment based on design.

Impression overall - more power, better ride throughout power band. Love short time since ride was not long.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 27, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
Thanks follow the great work write up. Do you want u mind sharing how many miles you've ridden ur '12 CVO?

Sure. 63,500.


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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 27, 2016, 11:32:42 PM

Sure. 63,500.



Jerry, he meant all together.  Not just this summer.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 28, 2016, 07:53:05 AM
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer.  Here is what I learned and my observations:

Thanks for the great report... Now I finally have a definitive answer on the CB's for 2017, plus a whole lot more info on the bikes.

Thanks again.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 28, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
 :P

Jerry, he meant all together.  Not just this summer.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 28, 2016, 09:14:11 AM
Sure. 63,500.


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Thanks, that's some riding. Helps put perspective into the great write up.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 28, 2016, 12:20:57 PM
couldn't find a 114 in my area but did start up a 107 was shocked that there was no clunk goin into gears
don't know what id do if I didn't hear the rattling of my 110 when riding  :huepfenlol2:

look forward to checking out a cvo streetglide when I can find one
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 28, 2016, 12:31:06 PM
Can't wait for the first post saying the new ones are too quiet and have no soul, transmission is too smooth and I miss the clunk that let me know I was in gear, etc. lol
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 12:45:36 PM
Can't wait for the first post saying the new ones are too quiet and have no soul, transmission is too smooth and I miss the clunk that let me know I was in gear, etc. lol

Oh gawd I hope not, but you know it'll happen.  The things are just machines.  In HD's case old old machines that had stretched the capabilities of a Panhead about as far as it could go.

Mother Harley makes itself an easy target so often.  I really do hope they haven't screwed this up too.  It would be nice to see them finally hit a home run with something.  This thing at least has a patina of modernity that's a new thing to see from them.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SDCVO on August 28, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
couldn't find a 114 in my area but did start up a 107 was shocked that there was no clunk goin into gears
don't know what id do if I didn't hear the rattling of my 110 when riding  :huepfenlol2:

look forward to checking out a cvo streetglide when I can find one
How do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultraswede on August 28, 2016, 12:53:08 PM
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.

If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.

If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)

Tough feces.  The bumping, bucking, shaking (and thereby noise inducing), emissions spewing, loud exhaust, other-driver-and-neighborhood-annoying, unreliable, antiquated crap is illegal.  Even more for you than for us here in the US with the Euro standards deploying over the next two years.  Get over it.  Harley is the only engine manufacturer except for lawn mower engines that hasn't effectively modernized.  Saying you want to ride the second cousin to a Cub Cadet because it reminds us of our youth is stupid.

I want a reliable, good (not annoying--good) sounding platform with a good visual appeal that is effective at what it does, runs well and does its job at or better than contemporary standards while meeting those goals.  Harley has (yet) really proven to be able to do that.  So, maybe, now they've made a step away from your Cub Cadet.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 28, 2016, 01:13:31 PM
How do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????


Because I took off


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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 28, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
Anyone hear of a cvo street glide at a dealer in Michigan let me know

Thanks Terry


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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultraswede on August 28, 2016, 01:28:04 PM
Tough feces.  The bumping, bucking, shaking (and thereby noise inducing), emissions spewing, loud exhaust, other-driver-and-neighborhood-annoying, unreliable, antiquated crap is illegal.  Even more for you than for us here in the US with the Euro standards deploying over the next two years. 

Not at all, that comes standard on a HD, its perfectly legal in the EU.
I dont buy a bike, HD or Honda for the brand, not interested.

The Honda does not deliver for me, but it might for you.
We are all different.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 01:34:46 PM

How do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????



Because I took off



Beverage spew  :huepfenlol2: .
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 01:35:52 PM

We are all different.



Yes we are.  But, for good or for ill, the regulatory environment we all have to live within does not have that variation.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JCZ on August 28, 2016, 01:39:32 PM
Anyone hear of a cvo street glide at a dealer in Michigan let me know
Thanks Terry
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That's not going to be much of a ride home if you're buying one in Mich.  You should be looking out west!   :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 28, 2016, 01:59:22 PM
Tough feces.  The bumping, bucking, shaking (and thereby noise inducing), emissions spewing, loud exhaust, other-driver-and-neighborhood-annoying, unreliable, antiquated crap is illegal.  Even more for you than for us here in the US with the Euro standards deploying over the next two years.  Get over it.  Harley is the only engine manufacturer except for lawn mower engines that hasn't effectively modernized.  Saying you want to ride the second cousin to a Cub Cadet because it reminds us of our youth is stupid.

I want a reliable, good (not annoying--good) sounding platform with a good visual appeal that is effective at what it does, runs well and does its job at or better than contemporary standards while meeting those goals.  Harley has (yet) really proven to be able to do that.  So, maybe, now they've made a step away from your Cub Cadet.

Don't get too happy with yourself thinking Harley's will soon be quiet. Harley's are all about nostalgia and that's a good thing. Anyone thinking or wishing otherwise is probably better off riding a different brand. The old versions were also relatively quiet out of the crate. The bikes that seem to bother you are the one's modified by their owners.

You're really misguided if you think US Harley owners aren't already breaking down their '17 touring bikes as I write this post. You can count on faster, more powerful  and MUCH LOUDER pipes coming to a neighborhood near you just as soon as the aftermarket performance builders break these bikes down and rebuild them to the tastes of their owners. Count on it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: skratch on August 28, 2016, 02:19:37 PM
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.

If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)

i hear this all the time, but have not been able to find this elusive metric that is 1/3 the cost of the hd.  when comparing apples to apples.  don't give me a virago and compare it to a roadglide ultra.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
Don't get too happy with yourself thinking Harley's will soon be quiet. Harley's are all about nostalgia and that's a good thing. Anyone thinking or wishing otherwise is probably better off riding a different brand. The old versions were also relatively quiet out of the crate. The bikes that seem to bother you are the one's modified by their owners.

You're really misguided if you think US Harley owners aren't already breaking down their '17 touring bikes as I write this post. You can count on faster, more powerful  and MUCH LOUDER pipes coming to a neighborhood near you just as soon as the aftermarket performance builders break these bikes down and rebuild them to the tastes of their owners. Count on it.

Mistaken to think happy has anything to do with it. And Harley is not all about nostalgia. Harley has hidden behind nostalgia to keep from having to spend the money to get good for a very long time. We can like what they are and the company could modernize and reminisce all the same time. It is expensive to do that well. That's what the company has avoided and we as a consumer base allowed them to do. Partly to justify our own unwillingness to adapt and partly just because change isn't always pleasant.

Even this much heralded aftermarket you speak of doesn't produce the things it used to. Loud pipes are not what they once were. Granted the guy working at home can and will do things no manufacturer would ever condone, even Harley. Yes there will always be holdouts.  Outliers and luddites are not what will allow a company to continue though. If we really want a Harley to be there for our children and grandchildren, so that they too can enjoy the shadow of themselves riding before them as the sun sets behind them, we had best hope Mother Harley is beginning to find a way to conform, produce reliability and do all this in a way that meets both modern and regulatory standards. 

The company is not a niche. It cannot continue to live a generation or two or sometimes even three behind. That also means that we as a riding community can't either. I don't have to want to ride a Goldwing or some other metric Cruiser to know that Harley has to find a way to still be good relative to our standards and be much better than it has been as a manufacturer.  They don't get a pass just because I'm unwilling to say I'm a cranky old fart who can't accept that sacrificial oiling and exhaust that wakes the neighbors are ok just because I want them to be.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Supershooter on August 28, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
Is possible for HD to design a motor that'll make power like their competitors and put it into a touring bike? The Ducati XDiavail makes 162 hp with just over 1200 cc...
Supershooter
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DOCGSS on August 28, 2016, 04:09:54 PM
It is so interesting to hear all of the complaining that goes on in this forum about HD. I have owned over 20 bikes, from my Norton 850 Commando to my current bikes; a 2012 Triumph Thunderbird, 2013 Victory Vegas,  2014 HD RK CVO and a 2012 Vespa 300 GTi. I enjoy all of the bikes and each one is a comprimise as almost all things are. I totally enjoy my HD. But I do not understand why anyone that despises a product or complains about a product as often as some do on this forum about HD, bother to even read the forum or spend time on a forum about a bike they so dislike. If you do not like Harleys, simply buy the bike you do like, vote with your wallet, rather than trying to convince others how poor their preferred bike is. In the end Harley is overwhelmingly dominant in the large displacement Motorcycle segment in the US. I often travel aboard, (I am writing this in Munich, Germany), and I do not see another brand that has the world wide cache of Harley Davidson. People all over Europe wear and own or carry Harley logo merchandise, HD seems to be a wonderful US ambassador and something in the US that the rest of the world admires.

I applaud HD for what appears to be a fine engine, although the verdict will take the test of time. I have enjoyed all 11 Harleys I have owned, as well as the Yamahas, BMW, Honda, and Kawis I have owned. ALL have flaws, as does almost everything else I own. But really, if some dislike HD so much, buy something you will enjoy and join those forums to tell them how much you enjoy them.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 28, 2016, 05:04:13 PM
Is possible for HD to design a motor that'll make power like their competitors and put it into a touring bike? The Ducati XDiavail makes 162 hp with just over 1200 cc...
Supershooter

That 162hp is at the crank (or output shaft).  The SAE corrected wheel horsepower for the xDiavel S is in this chart compared to the previous Diavel.

The differing architectures of the XDiavel and the Harley air-cooled v-twins should be apparent.  V-Rods are directly comparable in architecture, and their output is within range of the Ducs (especially since the H-D Revolution 1250 hasn't changed appreciably since 2005).

And one of the answers to your question is low-end torque.  The big-inch air-cooled H-D mills provide the preferable engine output characteristics for baggers and cruisers.  Revving toward 10K rpm does not fit the touring/cruising relaxed style.

I have an xDiavel and love it.  But I'd rather have its stock 145hp/85tq numbers inverted for Harleys to 85hp/145tq any day.  The xDiavel is a power cruiser/muscle bike, not a custom cruiser.  Much lighter, and with a modern water-cooled engine.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 28, 2016, 06:02:29 PM
Mistaken to think happy has anything to do with it. And Harley is not all about nostalgia. Harley has hidden behind nostalgia to keep from having to spend the money to get good for a very long time. We can like what they are and the company could modernize and reminisce all the same time. It is expensive to do that well. That's what the company has avoided and we as a consumer base allowed them to do. Partly to justify our own unwillingness to adapt and partly just because change isn't always pleasant.

Even this much heralded aftermarket you speak of doesn't produce the things it used to. Loud pipes are not what they once were. Granted the guy working at home can and will do things no manufacturer would ever condone, even Harley. Yes there will always be holdouts.  Outliers and luddites are not what will allow a company to continue though. If we really want a Harley to be there for our children and grandchildren, so that they too can enjoy the shadow of themselves riding before them as the sun sets behind them, we had best hope Mother Harley is beginning to find a way to conform, produce reliability and do all this in a way that meets both modern and regulatory standards. 

The company is not a niche. It cannot continue to live a generation or two or sometimes even three behind. That also means that we as a riding community can't either. I don't have to want to ride a Goldwing or some other metric Cruiser to know that Harley has to find a way to still be good relative to our standards and be much better than it has been as a manufacturer.  They don't get a pass just because I'm unwilling to say I'm a cranky old fart who can't accept that sacrificial oiling and exhaust that wakes the neighbors are ok just because I want them to be.

I agree with everything you said but unfortunately Harley is being limited by 2 major factors. 1) Consumers that want the aesthetics and visual/sound cues of the past combined with quality and performance PLUS 2) Ever higher emissions standards by Governments. Unfortunately those 2 factors are in direct conflict as the aesthetics and sounds of a Harley V-Twin have a hard bump up against Gov emission standards resulting in the somewhat compromised bikes we ride. Even these latest bikes, with all their impressive improvements, are heavily compromised with only 80hp/100ft-lbs from 107ci and 90hp/110tq from 114ci.

But I give the MoCo huge kudos because they gave future HD bike owners an incredible canvas to work on. And I believe that the aftermarket guys will be able to perform magic with the performance of these 4 valve engines, even though that magic will probably never meet the latest gov standards.

For the guy that's happy with stock (what I consider compromised performance), they will be getting a terrific new engine. For the guy that wants "more", they will have a great platform to work with. Unless the aftermarket guys can tune these new bikes with a heavily catalyzed exhaust to get the same performance as a more open exhaust, you can count on the stock pipes being replaced as soon as D&D, V&H, Cobra, Fuelmoto, Rinehart and all the others launch new exhaust systems with dyno charts to sell them. These companies are not just going to rollover and die. So I believe you can expect these bikes to be ALOT louder than they are out of the crate.

I understand there is a new Screaming Eagle Racing catalog and I think you can count on there being a new larger TB (62mm), higher lift cam and larger injectors, together with new maps from TTS, PowerVision and all the other tuners that will take these new 4valve engines to whatever performance level the customer wants and can afford.

Hopping up bikes isn't going anywhere so long as there are guys that want more performance than the "compromise" Harley has to build to meet gov standards while selling us the bikes we want.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 28, 2016, 07:38:24 PM
I agree with everything you said but unfortunately Harley is being limited by 2 major factors. 1) Consumers that want the aesthetics and visual/sound cues of the past combined with quality and performance PLUS 2) Ever higher emissions standards by Governments. Unfortunately those 2 factors are in direct conflict as the aesthetics and sounds of a Harley V-Twin have a hard bump up against Gov emission standards resulting in the somewhat compromised bikes we ride. Even these latest bikes, with all their impressive improvements, are heavily compromised with only 80hp/100ft-lbs from 107ci and 90hp/110tq from 114ci.

But I give the MoCo huge kudos because they gave future HD bike owners an incredible canvas to work on. And I believe that the aftermarket guys will be able to perform magic with the performance of these 4 valve engines, even though that magic will probably never meet the latest gov standards.


We don't disagree at all there.  As incremental a step as this is it does at least seem to be a step in the direction of where they'll have to go with a somewhat lesser grasp on where they've been.  I just don't believe that good engineers, tasked the right way and funded accordingly, couldn't make something that could live in today's and tomorrow's world while still at least moderately satisfying the aesthetic they've taught us (and we have to admit that's the way it's been over the years) to appreciate. 

Regs are regs.  We have to live with rules everywhere.  So we just have to suck it up and know that some of the things we've gotten used to being able to have (or at least get by with because no one looked hard enough) simply won't fly a lot longer.  That's not necessarily a bad thing though.  Modern engineering (not 20-25 year standards or systems that are simply new to us rather than actually new) can do amazing things.  Chevy made a Camaro and Dodge made a Challenger that generally pleased the lover of what came before and still satisfied modern (and much more stringent automotive) requirements. 

To give Harley a pass and say they can't be better than they have been at least in part because I love the "nostalgia" of what they were is just lazy.  I want the whole enchilada.  They need to build to contemporary standards of reliability, capability and performance and meet my design aesthetics. 

Just because it may be difficult isn't an excuse.  After all, it wouldn't be as difficult now if they hadn't waited so long to start trying to catch up.  Our "tastes" will change over time as well.  They'll have to.  If the company does it right we won't notice as much and the pain will be minimal.  Sooner rather than later we'll all be dead anyway and their market really will be someone who requires NOW what we're only beginning to see on the road ahead of us.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 28, 2016, 08:02:07 PM
We don't disagree at all there.  As incremental a step as this is it does at least seem to be a step in the direction of where they'll have to go with a somewhat lesser grasp on where they've been.  I just don't believe that good engineers, tasked the right way and funded accordingly, couldn't make something that could live in today's and tomorrow's world while still at least moderately satisfying the aesthetic they've taught us (and we have to admit that's the way it's been over the years) to appreciate. 

Regs are regs.  We have to live with rules everywhere.  So we just have to suck it up and know that some of the things we've gotten used to being able to have (or at least get by with because no one looked hard enough) simply won't fly a lot longer.  That's not necessarily a bad thing though.  Modern engineering (not 20-25 year standards or systems that are simply new to us rather than actually new) can do amazing things.  Chevy made a Camaro and Dodge made a Challenger that generally pleased the lover of what came before and still satisfied modern (and much more stringent automotive) requirements. 

To give Harley a pass and say they can't be better than they have been at least in part because I love the "nostalgia" of what they were is just lazy.  I want the whole enchilada.  They need to build to contemporary standards of reliability, capability and performance and meet my design aesthetics. 

Just because it may be difficult isn't an excuse.  After all, it wouldn't be as difficult now if they hadn't waited so long to start trying to catch up.  Our "tastes" will change over time as well.  They'll have to.  If the company does it right we won't notice as much and the pain will be minimal.  Sooner rather than later we'll all be dead anyway and their market really will be someone who requires NOW what we're only beginning to see on the road ahead of us.

I definitely agree however the basic engineering and design of the new engine is likely to be with us for a decade. I plan to enjoy the new design and start the modifying as soon as the aftermarket partners are ready for primetime. I accept that Harley had  to make compromises to meet new, tougher gov standards and they had to make technical compromises that were affordable as a publicly traded company.

But I have no intention of living with those compromises if I have 3rd party partners that can wipe those compromises out. If the after-market "enhancements" happen to piss-off some non-riding, EPA, bark-eating, tree-hugging bureaucrats along the way, I'll consider that an extra bonus in my riding pleasure!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: mark on August 28, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
Just stopped at my local dealer, they said MoCo is cutting overall production by 11,000 cycles this year, and CVOs would be cut by a bigger percentage to bring back "exclusivity".  I doubt the CVO reduction stands, as they make the largest profits on them.

Anyone seen MY16 CVO production totals yet?

They're cutting CVO production because of lagging sales.  Does anyone really think the suits sat around a boardroom and said "we could sell a lot of CVOs, but we're going to cut production to make them more exclusive, even though that'll reduce total company profit."
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 28, 2016, 10:17:24 PM
They're cutting CVO production because of lagging sales.  Does anyone really think the suits sat around a boardroom and said "we could sell a lot of CVOs, but we're going to cut production to make them more exclusive, even though that'll reduce total company profit."

 :2vrolijk_21:

It seems like every dealer in the country has leftover CVO's, and I've read reports of people buying them for as much as $6k under MSRP long before the 2017's were introduced.  I have no doubt that the production cut that was reported is due to lower demand, and not some desire to regain the old "exclusivity".  Notice they didn't say they were going to go back to assembling them off-line with two to four person teams like they did back in the more "exclusive" days.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 28, 2016, 10:33:14 PM
I called a dealer this morning about a 2016 CVO limited. he said yes they have one in black and red and it is sitting here on the showroom floor right by my desk. I said great! I am 2 hours away and on my way to come look at it. When I got there someone was driving it out of the lot! They sold it in the 2 hours it took me to drive to the dealer!

No idea what they sold it for but the dealer said I can find you one, and appraised my trade in and is supposed to call me with price Monday. Storms were building and we could not wait around any longer. We wanted to hit the road and try to avoid the rain, which we did!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on August 29, 2016, 12:01:41 AM
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.

If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)

One word describes your motorcycle: Shovelhead.  I still have three complete engine gasket
sets for your perfect motorcycle.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Kingspoke on August 29, 2016, 12:49:20 AM
:2vrolijk_21:

It seems like every dealer in the country has leftover CVO's, and I've read reports of people buying them for as much as $6k under MSRP long before the 2017's were introduced.  I have no doubt that the production cut that was reported is due to lower demand, and not some desire to regain the old "exclusivity".  Notice they didn't say they were going to go back to assembling them off-line with two to four person teams like they did back in the more "exclusive" days.

Jerry

Hear, hear! :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: spook120 on August 29, 2016, 07:29:22 AM
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best.  Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here...  HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace.  Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B.  Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so.  My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing.  Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile.  One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings.  They work.  Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do.  And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on.  Later.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 29, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best.  Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here...  HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace.  Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B.  Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so.  My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing.  Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile.  One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings.  They work.  Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do.  And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on.  Later.

Spot on!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: skreminegul07 on August 29, 2016, 08:33:34 AM
I got the opportunity to ride a 2017 Street Glide Special.  I have a 2014 Street Glide Special.  It starts much quieter, not violently.  The vibration is significantly less, the idle is lower.  The front suspension is great.  I went looking for every pothole and manhole cover and was pleased by the ride.  No metal clanking.  I had to change seats on my 2014 to get ride of the harsh bottoming.  The improvement was noticeably in the front.  The roll on power was   great although different feel which I feel is due to the cams?  The pull from 2-3 was outstanding.  The sound was good, now that I'm older, maybe good enough. The first gear whine is gone or diminished.  Now as far as the heat (rode in 90 degrees) it was drastically reduced.  I don't think the clutch feel is different, hopefully no recalls.  I was ready to buy it on the spot (very fair trade), but memories of owning one of the first TC110's came rushing back.  Wife said to wait a year.
I believe that one could own this bike and keep it stock, no tune or muffler change and be happy with power sound and heat.
Overall impressions, very refined, more Indian and Victory like.
Soapbox time:  They started designing this motor in 2011, which means that HD acknowledged all the complaints and told us they all do that and that's normal, while taking notes to develop a cure.  Doesn't sit well at all.

Phil
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Trigger-Man on August 29, 2016, 11:04:02 AM
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best.  Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here...  HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace.  Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B.  Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so.  My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing.  Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile.  One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings. They work.  Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do.  And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on.  Later.
Well said spook120 :pepper:
 :soapbox:Aaaah .......but some folks aren't happy unless they're constantly grousing about something ......kinda like "lifers" in the army .....LOL ;D! Pointing out product deficiencies is a good thing as it leads (eventually) to improvements ......but to some, the glass will always be "half empty". On a positive note, I'm looking forward to a 2018 CVO Road Glide :)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 29, 2016, 12:01:54 PM
Just trying to get the conversation back to the original subject...

I didn't ride one (not gonna...) but I did get a chance to go over a 2017 RG Ultra this past Saturday.  I heard it running (it was a warm motor, not a cold start) and it was quieter than...well, just about everything else the MoCo has put out to date.  This was a 107 and that oil cooler is REALLY out there right behind the front wheel with a VERY severe angle on it.  I could see that oil cooler having an incident on gravel roads or even from road debris.  I did notice a LOT of room between that cooler and the front of the frame so lots of room for a cooling fan placement... :nixweiss:

I did not notice the "whirring" from the idling motor as some others have described but it was idled much lower than recent stock bikes.  I do want to see an actual oil pressure when I pull up that information, not "OK".  Didn't play with that enough to see if you can change it to a number.

Spoke to the sales manager who had ridden it about 10 or so miles.  He has a 2011 SEEG.  He did notice the suspension was a much better stock offering.  His comments: If you already have replaced the rear air shocks with the premium HD shocks, you won't notice much on the rear but the front is much better "planted" on bumps/turns/rough road. 

Speaking of fans, they showed me the dealer video of the new vent fan for the touring bikes.  Looking on the MoCo website, it's listed at the CoolFlow Fan.  It goes between the rear cylinder and the frame directing the heat from the back of the motor down and out the back in front of the rear wheel.  Again from the K'ville dealer, he had a chance to "experience" this fan in action and could really tell a difference when it was on and off.  Off, on or Automatic mode via the dashboard switch.  Off above 40 MPH, on below 35 MPH. 
A funny note:  the MoCo states a few times in their description that this fan is WATERPROOF!.  Well, that's good to know for a fan designed to be exposed to the elements.... :huepfenlol2:
May be something to look into...here's the link:
http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/coolflow-fan

One more thing on heat that I noticed.  The redesign on the exhaust pipe puts the catalyst back and more under the bike (as already described at length on this site).  What I noticed was the outlet for the clutch/primary side pipe that exited the catalyst, bent back toward the motor and then bent again across the front of the rear tire to the other pipe.  Where the cat is located along with that cross over pipe, there is a LOT of heat being directed right in front of that rear tire.  Put one of those CoolFlow fans on the bike and you are putting even more heat on that tire.  I'm wondering just how long those rear tires can stand up to the normal wear and tear of their designed duties but now with all that extra heat to contend with....just pondering out loud.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on August 29, 2016, 12:57:26 PM
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best.  Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here...  HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace.  Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B.  Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so.  My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing.  Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile.  One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings.  They work.  Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do.  And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on.  Later.

There aren't any motorcycle manufacturers without warranties and dealer service departments.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 29, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Quote
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best.  Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here...  HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace.  Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B.  Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so.  My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing.  Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile.  One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings.  They work.  Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do.  And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on.  Later.


What happens here, my opinion, and on other forums is:  Somebody has a bike they have just spent $xxxx.xx on customizing, & that bike is 1-5 (or more years old).  To them,it is the best bike out there.  Therefore,any new bike, in this case a 2017 Harley, is of little interest to them.  The colors, features, improvements, etc. don't matter.  Why?  They are not in the market for a bike, they like the one they are on.  Also, they could be in a financial position not conducive to a trade.  some of these folks bitch about the new bikes, because they can.

Then you have the constant biatchers.  HD is bad, the bikes are lousy, all stuff HD does is crap, yadda yadda.  The cloud of HD impending doom follows them on their posts. And even that is the MOCOs fault. Could call it "Harley Derangement Syndrome". They have had a bike with problems invariably.  Others wonder why in hell they don't just sell that HD and buy something else.  BTW, I know plenty of people with "something else".  Recalls, part failures, service department issues, unreliability - yep, HD does not have the market cornered on that, it is spread across MC bike brands.  Somebrands are better, others worse, it is subjective as well as situational.

Also there are kool aid drinkers who don't see anything wrong with Harley. Love Harley long time, very happy with the MoCo, you just shut the hell up complaining. Fewer of them these days though.  HD ownership for a long enough time will take care of that.

Others have older bikes (or newer bikes) and are looking to maybe trade for a 2017, for a wide variety of reasons.  The criticisms when legit can be helpful to these potential buyers, pointing out real issues or valid potential ones.  Trick is to weed out the good stuff from the static.  And some days, there is a lot of static...

Does Harley have room for improvement?  Of course it does.  Service levels are a cost of doing business.  Have never seen any company at 100% service level, cost becomes too great.  Theory is should be as close as possible though. If service is bad a company gets a bad reputation and goodwill goes away.  Hard to ever recover that, cost then is even greater. My opinion is bike part failures, reliability factors, service, and other similar issues are all costs of HD doing business that they have addressed.  Sometimes for the better, other times not. The proof of the pudding is how well a company responds to and handles failures that are problems for their customers.  That's what counts.

A long way of my saying, if it was as bad as I read it is sometimes, or if I felt the same way, HD ownership would become a passing memory not a current reality.  Not the way I see it, therefore, it abides.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLTRCVO on August 29, 2016, 04:15:36 PM

What happens here, my opinion, and on other forums is:  Somebody has a bike they have just spent $xxxx.xx on customizing, & that bike is 1-5 (or more years old).  To them,it is the best bike out there.  Therefore,any new bike, in this case a 2017 Harley, is of little interest to them.  The colors, features, improvements, etc. don't matter.  Why?  They are not in the market for a bike, they like the one they are on.  Also, they could be in a financial position not conducive to a trade.  some of these folks bitch about the new bikes, because they can.

Then you have the constant biatchers.  HD is bad, the bikes are lousy, all stuff HD does is crap, yadda yadda.  The cloud of HD impending doom follows them on their posts. And even that is the MOCOs fault. Could call it "Harley Derangement Syndrome". They have had a bike with problems invariably.  Others wonder why in hell they don't just sell that HD and buy something else.  BTW, I know plenty of people with "something else".  Recalls, part failures, service department issues, unreliability - yep, HD does not have the market cornered on that, it is spread across MC bike brands.  Somebrands are better, others worse, it is subjective as well as situational.

Also there are kool aid drinkers who don't see anything wrong with Harley. Love Harley long time, very happy with the MoCo, you just shut the hell up complaining. Fewer of them these days though.  HD ownership for a long enough time will take care of that.

Others have older bikes (or newer bikes) and are looking to maybe trade for a 2017, for a wide variety of reasons.  The criticisms when legit can be helpful to these potential buyers, pointing out real issues or valid potential ones.  Trick is to weed out the good stuff from the static.  And some days, there is a lot of static...

Does Harley have room for improvement?  Of course it does.  Service levels are a cost of doing business.  Have never seen any company at 100% service level, cost becomes too great.  Theory is should be as close as possible though. If service is bad a company gets a bad reputation and goodwill goes away.  Hard to ever recover that, cost then is even greater. My opinion is bike part failures, reliability factors, service, and other similar issues are all costs of HD doing business that they have addressed.  Sometimes for the better, other times not. The proof of the pudding is how well a company responds to and handles failures that are problems for their customers.  That's what counts.

A long way of my saying, if it was as bad as I read it is sometimes, or if I felt the same way, HD ownership would become a passing memory not a current reality.  Not the way I see it, therefore, it abides.
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on August 29, 2016, 05:28:41 PM
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.

If we got to explain, they won't understand.  :drink:

How's things treating ya these days?  Better yet how's yer FLTRSE3 treating ya?  I'm right at 50k on mine, gonna do a freshen up on the motor soon. Times are tough, I'm down to one bike, something will come along that catches my eye.

Got a rode trip coming up soon, I think she'll make it.  Come out and ride with us sometime.

TN

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLTRCVO on August 29, 2016, 06:38:56 PM
If we got to explain, they won't understand.  :drink:

How's things treating ya these days?  Better yet how's yer FLTRSE3 treating ya?  I'm right at 50k on mine, gonna do a freshen up on the motor soon. Times are tough, I'm down to one bike, something will come along that catches my eye.

Got a rode trip coming up soon, I think she'll make it.  Come out and ride with us sometime.

TN
Every morning I wake up a go for a ride it's a great day.
My 2009 Silver Beauty has 83,341 miles on it, motor starting to get a little noisier, compression 205 R / 210 F respectively; this motor has served me quite well. Believe me, I would love to ride the great roads in your neck of the woods.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 29, 2016, 06:45:19 PM
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.

Also had an 07 110 CVO Ultra.  2 motor tear downs & rebuilds, then motor problems went away. Took some time though.  After that it was too many electrical issues over too many trips to make it worthwhile to even try to re-tell.  Easiest way to illustrate is: most trips of over 100 miles ended with that bike on a trailer back to the shop or limping back. So yeah had more than my fair share of down time, to the point of the local dealer giving me loaners to ride.  Traded the bike for a 2010 CVO Ultra, few problems, good bike. Had real problems with that Garmin 660 GPS though.  Garmin could never resolve them after 6 attempts over 3 months.  Harley did resolve it.  Corporate in conjunction with local dealer. They gave me a new one in the box after Garmin failed to fix the issues.  Guess which company I have a lower opinion of when it comes to backing their product?

My experience with other motorcycles & different brands of autos is similar.  Had a fairly new turbo engine in a truck, it had problems too.  Was I a beta tester for that truck?  That's one way to look at it. The problems were fixed, but not immediately, because they had not figured out how at first.  Have I had issues that were essentially similar - early adapter issues - with brands other than that & other than HD?  Yes.  Long time back same deal with dirt bikes engines - had some issues with "brand spanking new" ones. Early adapter issues.

In my case, thanks to reasonable folks at the local HD dealer & my not flying off the handle & spewing ..... nevermind.... these problems were all resolved satisfactorily on the HDs I have owned.  Therefore, the trade from the 07 to the 10.

Have had problems also with high end cars, never resolved.  Early adapter issues also. A German made product. My opinion of auto/bike manufacturers, worldwide, is that early adapters do indeed perform some beta testing.  Not much "Brand new" runs well until tested over time, and nobody I know of spends 10-20 years in R&D just to intro a new product.  So the time success/fail tests fall on the users and buyers.

Does HD have room for improvement?  Sure, said so earlier too.  Overall they are not the worst & overall not the best as to product reliability, based on my experiences.  Milwaukee 8 motor seems to be a good one.  Time combined with a lot of miles will tell, and so far nobody has put the time or miles on them to know. If there are no issues, that would be unbelievable a real surprise.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on August 29, 2016, 11:17:58 PM
So I made it to the motor plant in KC Saturday and got to ride a 17 CVO ulrta, it was the green one so no comment other than its not to bad looking also seen the black/red & black/orange SG the B/O the better looking imo. It was only a 15 mile ride a lill city, twisty, interstate course, the motor was quite only sound(s) was from intake, I flog it pretty good, power Gose flat about 4K but your moving, was hitting 90 to 100 in forth gear and was smooth, getting on the interstate got run thru the gears against two others an dynas and was able to pull them and I was two up. I don't ride a bat wing and probly never own one, stating this cause the buffeting was bad so it took my attention away from the suspension evaluation at speed, but felt good at lower speeds. That my take on the new...now I hope 18 will have a cvo RG and the new 114 holds up
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on August 30, 2016, 07:28:51 AM
Anything mechanical can and will have some issues, more with certain folks than others.  When multiple people have the same symptoms, problems, and root cause it becomes a manufacturing/engineering/production problem. Yes, there are other big named goods and products that have these problems but that's comparing apples to peaches. I'm trying to stay on topic here.

It's how they deal with said problems after the fact that is important, HD customer service is all over the place with that, it seems like timing is everything and their prepared script is changed out multiple times a day. Call me a whiner but lets have some serious conversation about it, so easy to type this chit,aint it! Yep I ride a HD and like it too.


Or we can just ride


TN


Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 30, 2016, 08:33:57 AM
So I made it to the motor plant in KC Saturday and got to ride a 17 CVO ulrta, it was the green one so no comment other than its not to bad looking also seen the black/red & black/orange SG the B/O the better looking imo. It was only a 15 mile ride a lill city, twisty, interstate course, the motor was quite only sound(s) was from intake, I flog it pretty good, power Gose flat about 4K but your moving, was hitting 90 to 100 in forth gear and was smooth, getting on the interstate got run thru the gears against two others an dynas and was able to pull them and I was two up. I don't ride a bat wing and probly never own one, stating this cause the buffeting was bad so it took my attention away from the suspension evaluation at speed, but felt good at lower speeds. That my take on the new...now I hope 18 will have a cvo RG and the new 114 holds up

I'm with you on the green.  Hey, somebody will "just love it" and have to have one.  To each his/her own and more power to them if they do like it.
Thanks for the review of the ride, too, and enjoy Arkansas.... :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLTRCVO on August 30, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
I posted my Harley experience with a Harley first year production engine 2006; wasn't thrilled to say the least, however, what would I do if my current ride was no more due to catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair?  I have to ride. I would go Harley, (I never said they didn't stand behind their product) I would go big, I'm not liking the color schemes on the Ultra's, so someone is going to have to blindfold me and put me on an Ultra to test ride and ultimately buy. Why, because, I buy Harley motorcycles. Would I regret it, probably, if history dare repeats itself, however, imagine the information gained by the members of this fine Group. Again, be advised this is only if catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair were to afflict my current 2009 FLTRSE3 with 83314 miles.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on August 30, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
I posted my Harley experience with a Harley first year production engine 2006; wasn't thrilled to say the least, however, what would I do if my current ride was no more due to catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair?  I have to ride. I would go Harley, (I never said they didn't stand behind their product) I would go big, I'm not liking the color schemes on the Ultra's, so someone is going to have to blindfold me and put me on an Ultra to test ride and ultimately buy. Why, because, I buy Harley motorcycles. Would I regret it, probably, if history dare repeats itself, however, imagine the information gained by the members of this fine Group. Again, be advised this is only if catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair were to afflict my current 2009 FLTRSE3 with 83314 miles.

Pretty funny but I sorta agree. I'm at 60,000 miles on my 2010 CVO Ultra. Its a terrific bike that has been remarkably dependable even after the very serious engine upgrades I did. But I'd rather sell while the bike is running terrific and pulling like a freight train. I plan to use the new CVO limited with 4 valve heads to serve as a platform to build another bike with more than 130/130. Plus I get the improved suspension of the '17s and all the other upgrades of the Rushmores (water-cooling, Infotainment, improved seating, 1 hand closing on TP and saddlebags, factory LED lighting all around, better/more powerful radio) vs my 2010.

Will I regret my decision to upgrade to a 2017.... I certainly hope not!!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: marko61 on August 30, 2016, 12:44:15 PM
The softail and CVO line with 103 and 110 must change for europe from january 2017.
Twin Cam was authorize for selling in 2016, but no more on 2017 !

What is you opinion ? New line in january ?

where did you get this news ..???. I'm Italian and I knew nothing ...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Nemesis on August 30, 2016, 03:56:50 PM
From europ news...
No more Ktm Superduke 1290, Honda cbr600, hayabusa,etc, v-max... From january 2017 and Euro 4 in Europe (companies were authorized to sell Euro 3 in 2016, but no more in 2017 ! )

That's why the oil and/or water cooled 8 valves is absolutly necessary to Harley...

Examples:

Cbr600:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/)

Yamaha:
http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html (http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on August 30, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
Getting the rules for a test ride....so I could break them properly
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 30, 2016, 08:45:28 PM
Getting the rules for a test ride....so I could break them properly

Man that thing is ugly.  But I'm sure some will like it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Sierramadre on August 30, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
They say geniuses choose green so I must not be very smart...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 30, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
From europ news...
No more Ktm Superduke 1290, Honda cbr600, hayabusa,etc, v-max... From january 2017 and Euro 4 in Europe (companies were authorized to sell Euro 3 in 2016, but no more in 2017 ! )

That's why the oil and/or water cooled 8 valves is absolutly necessary to Harley...

Examples:

Cbr600:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/)

Yamaha:
http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html (http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html)

With KTM being Austrian you'd think they either have or will soon have a solution.

DH
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 30, 2016, 11:11:16 PM
Man that thing is ugly.  But I'm sure some will like it.

Give me one. I'll ride it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Nemesis on August 31, 2016, 03:30:20 AM
With KTM being Austrian you'd think they either have or will soon have a solution.

DH

Euro 4 are really restrictive rules... I really don't know how HD will manage this.... ???

Yamaha Euro 4, all this motorcycles will dissapear: 
YBR 125
YBR 125 Custom
WR125R
WR 125 X
SR400
XJ6
XJ6 Diversion
XJ6 Diversion F
XT660R
XT660X
XT660Z Ténéré
FZ8
Fazer8
XJR 1300
XJR 1300 Racer
XVS 1300 Custom (Stryker)
XVS 1300A
VMAX 1700
XV1900A
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Royalroadie on August 31, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
So I made it to the motor plant in KC Saturday and got to ride a 17 CVO ulrta, it was the green one so no comment other than its not to bad looking also seen the black/red & black/orange SG the B/O the better looking imo. It was only a 15 mile ride a lill city, twisty, interstate course, the motor was quite only sound(s) was from intake, I flog it pretty good, power Gose flat about 4K but your moving, was hitting 90 to 100 in forth gear and was smooth, getting on the interstate got run thru the gears against two others an dynas and was able to pull them and I was two up. I don't ride a bat wing and probly never own one, stating this cause the buffeting was bad so it took my attention away from the suspension evaluation at speed, but felt good at lower speeds. That my take on the new...now I hope 18 will have a cvo RG and the new 114 holds up

I rode the same bike on Friday and flogged it pretty hard.   By the way was the cop sitting on the course just waiting to give you a ticket? I thought it was kinda funny he was sitting on a side road intersection just waiting on the first mile of the course.  Kinda like he was sending a message to stay off the wick.  I wrote a review that was moved to the ultra section.  I felt  the bike was very well thought out,  I personally ran it out to the rev limiter many times and it is just weird how it works, it doesn't studder it just goes flat at 5k or so.  All in all if my bike shot craps this is the way to go.  I could not believe how well they got rid of the heat.  That bike was run all day and when it took it out it was over 90* and I felt no heat on my right calf or thigh.  As for suspension it was way better than my FLHXSE3, adding 1" more travel and a plush seat does wonder but I did miss the lower feeling of my ride. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 31, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
That green sure sucks...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 31, 2016, 01:23:40 PM
That green sure sucks...

Come-on, ya know ya want one..... :mango: :cucumber: :pineapple: :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on August 31, 2016, 01:48:19 PM
Come-on, ya know ya want one..... :mango: :cucumber: :pineapple: :huepfenlol2:

I hear it turns purple if the sun hits it just right. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 31, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
I get it, it's just not ripe...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ghost Rider on August 31, 2016, 03:13:44 PM
Man that thing is ugly.  But I'm sure some will like it.

That green sure sucks...

Why so much hatred against my green bike brothers?   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: muddypaws on August 31, 2016, 03:15:39 PM
Yours is a much better color. I like yours...
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 31, 2016, 07:13:46 PM
Why so much hatred against my green bike brothers?   :nixweiss:

Kermit green is way better than baby poop green.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Royalroadie on September 01, 2016, 01:28:16 AM
Kermit green is way better than baby poop green.

Don, I agree Kermit is a much more appealing green.  I road that bike the fastfredie pictured the day before, I am surprised it still runs, I flogged it.  I have that great nack at breaking things. 

I thought it looked like split peas soup, which is sorta close to baby poop green, come to think of it.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 01, 2016, 07:20:46 AM
Kermit green is way better than baby poop green.

So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....

Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?

Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: panz on September 01, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
I've been sitting back reading all these posts about the new 2017's. From what I take, HD has hit the nail on the head with their new 107 and 114 motors, front suspension and new rear shocks. Three cheers for MoCo... :drummer: I just can't wait for what the after market people do!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on September 01, 2016, 11:19:20 AM
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....

Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?

Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:

Kermit.

Me too, hurricanes a-coming & beer is already re-stocked.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Mr. Warlock on September 01, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this or mentioned it yet..........

There is apparently parts and accessories available to change the "OK" for the oil pressure (infotainment screen) to the actual pressure reading, go figure! :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Heatwave on September 01, 2016, 02:01:15 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this or mentioned it yet..........

There is apparently parts and accessories available to change the "OK" for the oil pressure (infotainment screen) to the actual pressure reading, go figure! :coolblue:

Part #?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ghost Rider on September 01, 2016, 05:21:56 PM
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....

Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?

Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:

That's easy.  SLIMER 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ghost Rider on September 01, 2016, 05:23:21 PM
Kermit.

Me too, hurricanes a-coming & beer is already re-stocked.

Sorry.  Kermit is already taken. 
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Rooster on September 01, 2016, 06:07:19 PM
Great pic of the Slimer :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on September 01, 2016, 07:16:37 PM
Sorry.  Kermit is already taken.


Kermit is just like The Highlander.  There can be only one.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on September 01, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....

Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?

Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:

Apple Snot Green
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on September 02, 2016, 03:07:38 AM
They say geniuses choose green so I must not be very smart...

I have a 163 IQ and I generally despise green vehicles.  (The exception would be the Kryptonite 2011 SESG.)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on September 02, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
I have a 163 IQ and I generally despise green vehicles.  (The exception would be the Kryptonite 2011 SESG.)

How many languages do you speak?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ATH on September 02, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer.  Here is what I learned and my observations:

Just the facts ma'am, not good nor bad:

The Limiteds (both CVO and non-CVO) are water cooled; all others are oil cooled.  The water cooled bikes have no oil cooler but do have a huge ugly plastic shield (for lack of a better description) where the oil cooler would be.  Don't know why.   :nixweiss:

Saddlebag latches are bolts with a wing so you do not need a wrench to remove/install.

The adjustable shocks have the adjustment on the left shock only.  The right shock has no adjustment.  I think it preferable to put the adjuster on the right side as you have to remove the saddlebag mounting bolts and at least tilt the bag away from the bike to access the adjuster.  On the left side gravity works against you making it more difficult to hold the lose bag and since the bike is leaning on that side more difficult to see the adjuster.  I would prefer it on the right side.

As previously reported no CB standard on any model save the CVO Limited.  If you want a CB on any other model be prepared to dump some for the CB module, antenna, switch pack, PTT button, wiring harness, etc.  I've not thoroughly researched it but I'll bet parts alone in the $700-$800 range and no idea what install at the dealer would be - a few hours for sure.  So the moco sure saved themselves some bucks here (they didn't lower the price of the bikes, lol) and assured themselves a nice big fat ticket for those who do want a CB.  Way to go moco, not!

I spoke to a service writer at the first dealer and the service manager at the second.  As best I can determine there is no provision for valve adjustment other than the hydraulic lifter which operates a single pushrod which actuates a crows foot/bridged rocker arm controlling two valves.  The service manager was at the dealer show and reported that the moco said the rockers would 'wear in' and the adjustment synchronize between the valves over time.  Huh?   :nixweiss:

Test ride impressions of the 2017 Limited:

Motor was smooth and quiet.  Fortunately I've not had a problem with valve clatter on my 2012 (well I am hard of hearing, lol) so I really could not tell any difference here.  Motor was strong and from the short distance I was able to ride seems to pull as well as my '12 110" which is also bone stock.  The test ride was not all that long but no complaints about the heat from the motor and it was a hot day - 90 degrees.  So no complaints here at all.

I like the narrow primary as the older style is so intrusive - and hot should your calf touch it when backing up!

Suspension:  it has been so long since I've ridden a stock Harley I don't actually recall how bad they were but the '17 is very nice.  I purposely hit several bumps and imperfections in the road surface when I could find them and have no complaints about the suspension.  But honestly it does not seem any better that my '12 with the Premium Ride Cartridges up front and the Legend Aeros on the rear.

Clutch & tranny:  Here is where I found some objection.  The clutch performed just fine and I did not notice 'late engagement' - well not later than on my '12 anyway.  What I did notice was increased effort to pull the clutch in.  Not really that noticeable when shifting but when stopped at a light it is definitely stiffer than the other hydraulics I've had - '06; '07; '11 and '12 - so I'm not stranger to hydraulic clutches.  It wasn't bad, just stiffer.

But the tranny had a odd characteristic.  I didn't notice the first gear clunk but when shifting up or down there is definitely a loud, distinct, noticeable clunk for lack of a better description.  There was no clashing, metallic noise or other disconcerting sound - just a noticeable clunk with each shift.  And after a while I noticed that with the clunk I could actually feel it in the clutch lever - slight but it was there.  Don't know if it was an anomaly but the escort rider (yes they had to escort me on the test ride) was on a '17 Street Glide and when I mentioned this he said his bike made the clunk also but he had not noticed anything in the lever.  Strange but definitely there.

So overall if I were in the market for a new bike I would definitely seriously consider a '17 (CVO of course!).  But since I have no pressing reason to trade I plan to keep my '12 cuse7.  I just don't see enough improvement to dump $000 on a trade and with 63.5k on mine's clock and now five model years old the difference to trade would be significant - $20 or more I'm sure, probably a few thou more.  Not worth it to me.

Thanks a lot for this brief. V useful


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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ATH on September 02, 2016, 08:33:15 AM
It is so interesting to hear all of the complaining that goes on in this forum about HD. I have owned over 20 bikes, from my Norton 850 Commando to my current bikes; a 2012 Triumph Thunderbird, 2013 Victory Vegas,  2014 HD RK CVO and a 2012 Vespa 300 GTi. I enjoy all of the bikes and each one is a comprimise as almost all things are. I totally enjoy my HD. But I do not understand why anyone that despises a product or complains about a product as often as some do on this forum about HD, bother to even read the forum or spend time on a forum about a bike they so dislike. If you do not like Harleys, simply buy the bike you do like, vote with your wallet, rather than trying to convince others how poor their preferred bike is. In the end Harley is overwhelmingly dominant in the large displacement Motorcycle segment in the US. I often travel aboard, (I am writing this in Munich, Germany), and I do not see another brand that has the world wide cache of Harley Davidson. People all over Europe wear and own or carry Harley logo merchandise, HD seems to be a wonderful US ambassador and something in the US that the rest of the world admires.

I applaud HD for what appears to be a fine engine, although the verdict will take the test of time. I have enjoyed all 11 Harleys I have owned, as well as the Yamahas, BMW, Honda, and Kawis I have owned. ALL have flaws, as does almost everything else I own. But really, if some dislike HD so much, buy something you will enjoy and join those forums to tell them how much you enjoy them.

Well said and I applaud you from Egypt. I must tell u Harley has been always an inspiration for us and a great ambassador for the US. Whatever is said about any flaws in HD, when I ride my CVO I turn heads for a mile.


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Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Ghost Rider on September 02, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
I have a 163 IQ and I generally despise green vehicles.  (The exception would be the Kryptonite 2011 SESG.)
How many languages do you speak?

I can't even spell IQ.  That's why I went into accounting.   :cucumber:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 02, 2016, 12:53:24 PM
I can't even spell IQ.  That's why I went into accounting.   :cucumber:

Now THAT'S phuny rat dare.... :P
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on September 02, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
I can't even spell IQ.  That's why I went into accounting.   :cucumber:

It's "eye-queue"
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on September 02, 2016, 03:09:13 PM
prime examples of the diverse crowd we have here.  :2vrolijk_21:

The 2017 MY technical document has allot of info for those who are interested. I haven't seen it in PDF format yet.  :orange:



TN

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: HUBBARD on September 02, 2016, 04:22:26 PM
Jody says the one he rode is awesome!  Takes a lot for him to brag on anything, too.  Said the tranny was smooth as silk, with no more clunkin' in first, due to some type of scissor gear or some chit, and the 54" front end as opposed to the 49", was a huge improvement in handling.  He was also impressed with the power, and the quietness of the Motor, and how much cooler it ran.  Just have to wait and see about the longevity.  I hope it's a big success.  Later--HUBBARD
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on September 02, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
Stopped by a dealership today while out riding and took a look at the new bikes (Milwaukee 8's)... no CVO's but sales person did crank up a 107 RG for me to hear. For being stock bike it didn't sound that bad (could use a little more sound... guess I'm used to Rinehart's), with very little shake in the motor at idle. Didn't test drive one... didn't want to, ask to, or was offered to. As I was leaving talking to a guy in the parking lot he mentioned he didn't see any Evo's as he was walking down the line of owned bikes parked, but as soon as he said that he ran across one. His statement made me think/realize that as the Evo's have become dinosaur's soon will the "Twinkies". :-\ For now this ole dinosaur (me) is keeping his "Twinkie" and wishing he still had his "Evo". :)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on September 02, 2016, 05:59:43 PM
Stopped by my local dealer to pick up some parts and while there I was able to check out a '17 CVO limited in red, very nice looking bike. Sounds very quite at idle in regards to valve train noise compared to my '11.5.
I was offered a test ride, but I was afraid it would get real expensive, real fast....

Am I the only one who thinks the rockers are reminiscent  of a shovel and the cam cover/lower end a Evo???

Maybe it's just me. But HD may have gotten this one right....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on September 02, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
Stopped by my local dealer to pick up some parts and while there I was able to check out a '17 CVO limited in red, very nice looking bike. Sounds very quite at idle in regards to valve train noise compared to my '11.5.
I was offered a test ride, but I was afraid it would get real expensive, real fast....

Am I the only one who thinks the rockers are reminiscent  of a shovel and the cam cover/lower end a Evo???

Maybe it's just me. But HD may have gotten this one right....
One of the reasons I don't test ride (or ride other people's bikes <especially if they are faster>) it always end up costing me. Last time I rode a friends bike was in '03 and it was a SERK.... when I finished that ride I/we went straight to a dealer so I could find out what CVO's were coming out in '04. :shocked2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: BostonboyDH on September 02, 2016, 06:17:20 PM
Why so much hatred against my green bike brothers?   :nixweiss:

                  IT'S THE COLOR OF $$$$$$.... AND WE ALL LIKE THAT :vrolijk_10:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: SHRADER on September 02, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
Jody says the one he rode is awesome!  Takes a lot for him to brag on anything, too.  Said the tranny was smooth as silk, with no more clunkin' in first, due to some type of scissor gear or some chit, and the 54" front end as opposed to the 49", was a huge improvement in handling.  He was also impressed with the power, and the quietness of the Motor, and how much cooler it ran.  Just have to wait and see about the longevity.  I hope it's a big success.  Later--HUBBARD

Man them is some big forks....LOL
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: CVCVORG on September 02, 2016, 09:31:47 PM
Stopped by Cincinnati HD today and saw all the 2016 models posted with signs showing full 10% off MSRP, including 2016 red/gray CVO Road Glide Ultra.  Haven't see that much sale pricing with blatent signs in quite a while.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on September 04, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
How many languages do you speak?

Only 6.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on September 04, 2016, 12:49:16 PM
I can't even spell IQ.  That's why I went into accounting.   :cucumber:

And bought an incredible Kryptonite SESG. :)
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ridefar on September 04, 2016, 01:22:52 PM
Stopped by Cincinnati HD today and saw all the 2016 models posted with signs showing full 10% off MSRP, including 2016 red/gray CVO Road Glide Ultra.  Haven't see that much sale pricing with blatent signs in quite a while.

I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.

Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on September 04, 2016, 01:25:57 PM
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.

Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.

Not an advertised price but I've had 2 dealers offer me a 2016 CVO SG for $30,599.  That's 17% off MSRP.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 04, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.

Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
No kidding. With the revamped new and improved assembly line they did a few years ago, they're cranking out something like 300 bikes an hour at the York plant alone. 300 bikes x 10 hours x 4 days a week = 12,000 bikes a week.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on September 04, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
prime examples of the diverse crowd we have here.  :2vrolijk_21:

The 2017 MY technical document has allot of info for those who are interested. I haven't seen it in PDF format yet.  :orange:

TN
Do you have a link?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on September 04, 2016, 02:10:10 PM
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.

Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
I don't think that was all that purposeful.  They got past the AFM phase and came out with the EVO then the Twinkie and the boomers got real interested and started buying lots more than they were capable of producing.  So they upped production.  Now they have to make that investment pay for itself and purposefully letting it sit idle to reduce production is not what they will be doing in my opinion.  Any production decrease will be because of less demand.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on September 04, 2016, 07:10:14 PM
I don't think that was all that purposeful.  They got past the AFM phase and came out with the EVO then the Twinkie and the boomers got real interested and started buying lots more than they were capable of producing.  So they upped production.  Now they have to make that investment pay for itself and purposefully letting it sit idle to reduce production is not what they will be doing in my opinion.  Any production decrease will be because of less demand.   :2vrolijk_21:

Agreed.  Over supply and/or weaker demand creates lower price points, that is what has happened to some remaining 16s.  Harley has avoided going the route of auto manufacturers with inflated MSRPs that nobody pays much attention to on the majority of models.  If Harley continues to over supply this new bike discounting will affect the used bike market more & more. 

Not sure what their production strategy is anymore.  They are also watching overall market share & figure they do not want to lose a big chunk of that to Indian.  Price is a factor in that as well.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: guppytrash on September 04, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
Well after listening to the new M-8 idle I will say HD is well on the way to offering a finished product.  Nice and quiet. 
I have been making fun of the hand pump air suspension for a while now, and it looks like they made some moves towards a higher quality suspension.
From the reviews I'm reading it does not sound like this is another factory thigh burner, so again moving in a positive direction.

Glad to see HD making some improvements. 
 
Wonder what the resale value of a 2017 will be in a couple of years.

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Billy on September 04, 2016, 07:59:57 PM
I did not buy a Harley thinking I could make money. Look at cars they are worthless in 5 yrs not even half the value.  This is a hobby not an investment. Billy Just have fun.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on September 05, 2016, 10:25:42 AM
Did anyone see the new cvo's at the Milwaukee ralley.? Heard they were on display at the museum.   If anyone has real sesg photos of the 2017 please post
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: fastfreddy on September 05, 2016, 10:31:56 AM
 I saw the 2017 CVO breakout and they still have the 110 motor  :nixweiss: whats the story behind that   ???
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: JoeVibe on September 05, 2016, 11:08:23 AM
Did anyone see the new cvo's at the Milwaukee ralley.? Heard they were on display at the museum.   If anyone has real sesg photos of the 2017 please post

This is a pretty good video. It shows all four colors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE-IcPHr6D4
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on September 05, 2016, 12:02:50 PM
I saw the 2017 CVO breakout and they still have the 110 motor  :nixweiss: whats the story behind that   ???

The new engine is only being rolled out to the Touring line at this time.  It will be added to the other models in the future, probably next year I would guess.  That's a normal method for Harley when bringing out new stuff.  When it was CAN bus electrical systems they started with Softails, then later Dyna's, and only recently (2014) did they add it to Touring models.  Same with the original Twin Cam which was introduced in Dyna's and Touring models first, then later the B model engine with a balance shaft was introduced for the Softails.

As for why a company might do things this way, one reason is a lack of enough engineering support to keep that many balls in the air at one time.  It also gives them an opportunity to try to debug things on only one platform before expanding it to the entire model lineup.  That was the idea behind launching the new Twin Cam with Cruise Drive in 2006 on the low volume Dyna models.  Unfortunately that one didn't work out so well, as the folks who bought 2007 Touring models will attest.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on September 05, 2016, 03:30:51 PM
This is a pretty good video. It shows all four colors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE-IcPHr6D4

I've kept a close eye every year since I bought my '12. Nothing has grabbed at me look she does. I will say this year that the Candy Cobalt/Indigo Blue is a gorgeous bike. Blue has always been my favorite color at least until I discovered Ruby Red. It still isn't nice enough to get me to trade though.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: yobtaf103 on September 05, 2016, 04:25:19 PM
They still have the cigarette lighter?
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Toofast_28 on September 05, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
They still have the cigarette lighter?

If you're referring to the cigarette lighter looking object on the left of the GPS, that's the headset plugin.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 05, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
They still have the cigarette lighter?
Nope, they did away with them in either '14 or '15 and replaced them with a higher amp power port. When I bought my '15, I promptly replaced that power port with a cigarette lighter.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on September 07, 2016, 08:39:39 AM
At least the 2017 is not directing crank case venting directly to the throttle body.  :bananarock:


TN
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on September 07, 2016, 09:00:23 AM
At least the 2017 is not directing crank case venting directly to the throttle body.  :bananarock:


TN

 :nixweiss:   Where else would it be vented?  They can't vent it to atmosphere, since that would be highly illegal.  I remember someone else making that comment before and I looked at a parts catalog listing for the air cleaner and found the same kind of breather connections and tubes we have on the older models.  I just tried to look it up again but the site I'm using for 2017 parts is down,  probably due to too many people like me looking up 2017 changes. ;)
Here's a pic from the 2017 SE Catalog.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on September 07, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Article from cycle world

http://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-motorcycles-new-milwaukee-eight-big-twin-engine#page-11

Screenshot prolly off, using my iPad.  :nixweiss:

TN

States if oil was overfilled it would dribble on a/c. Maybe you don't have to under fill them now.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on September 08, 2016, 04:18:51 PM
I don't claim to be smart....but why would you want your "overfilled engine oil" routed through the transmission (case)?

I may delete this post when someone informs me of my lack of brain cells.  Trust me, it's happened in the past!!
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: grc on September 08, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
I don't claim to be smart....but why would you want your "overfilled engine oil" routed through the transmission (case)?

I may delete this post when someone informs me of my lack of brain cells.  Trust me, it's happened in the past!!

Trust me, you are right on the money.  The comment in that article makes no sense.  The best I can figure is that someone either mixed up the information on the breather system with the information on the oil cooled head system, or they were just making stuff up on the fly after looking at that hose that runs from the rear head down toward the trans on the so-called oil cooled model.  Harley can't dump any excess oil into the trans, since that would overfill the trans.  They can't dump the crankcase fumes into the trans, because the trans is vented to atmosphere and it would be illegal to use that vent to dump crankcase emissions to the atmosphere.  If there has been any improvement in oil carryover to the air cleaner, it would have to come from improved oil separators in the breather system.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: TN on September 08, 2016, 06:07:22 PM
I don't claim to be smart....but why would you want your "overfilled engine oil" routed through the transmission (case)?

I may delete this post when someone informs me of my lack of brain cells.  Trust me, it's happened in the past!!

I’ve never claimed to be the smartest man in the room myself. I do see where they have re-engineered the breathers in the rocker box, took them long enough. Maybe some HD employee reading this could chime in, or will he? Previously you could’t fill the crankcase to the full mark without oil dribbling out on the a/c, in my real world experience.

I won’t have to worry about it, I’ll continue to run mine 1/2 quart low and vent to the atmosphere. Got to use up my carbon credits somehow.


Cheers


TN
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on September 08, 2016, 07:21:41 PM
Trust me, you are right on the money.  The comment in that article makes no sense.  The best I can figure is that someone either mixed up the information on the breather system with the information on the oil cooled head system, or they were just making stuff up on the fly after looking at that hose that runs from the rear head down toward the trans on the so-called oil cooled model.  Harley can't dump any excess oil into the trans, since that would overfill the trans.  They can't dump the crankcase fumes into the trans, because the trans is vented to atmosphere and it would be illegal to use that vent to dump crankcase emissions to the atmosphere.  If there has been any improvement in oil carryover to the air cleaner, it would have to come from improved oil separators in the breather system.

Jerry


Well..... except that the Twin Cam engines have always vented to the tranny cases.  Primarily for crankcase overpressure but that was never an absolute.  Since the MoCo still likes to prescribe the same fluid for the engine and the transmission one could understand a weird logic that would suggest overpressure or over volume in the new engine be dumped in the tranny.  If for environmental reasons if nothing else.  Ideally one just wouldn't overfill.  But this is the MoCo we're talking about....
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: iski on September 08, 2016, 10:30:15 PM
I’ve never claimed to be the smartest man in the room myself. I do see where they have re-engineered the breathers in the rocker box, took them long enough. Maybe some HD employee reading this could chime in, or will he? Previously you could’t fill the crankcase to the full mark without oil dribbling out on the a/c, in my real world experience.

I won’t have to worry about it, I’ll continue to run mine 1/2 quart low and vent to the atmosphere. Got to use up my carbon credits somehow.


Cheers


TN

My bikes prefer to vent to the atmosphere also.  It helps increase the Global Warming, each of us should do our part.

 :drink:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Para Bellum on September 09, 2016, 02:19:34 AM
My bikes prefer to vent to the atmosphere also.  It helps increase the Global Warming, each of us should do our part.
 :drink:
Many scientists point out that Sun will probably have big decrease in sunspot activity, which will mean less heat coming to Earth.  I can hear the Global Warmists now:  "Yeah, human CO2 caused global warming, which caused the global cooling...just like we said it would."
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 09, 2016, 06:52:39 AM
Nobody gets out of this life alive....ride on  :thumbup:
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: tennisman on September 22, 2016, 06:56:37 AM
Took a test ride on a 2017 last week to compare it to my 2016 CVO.  Biggest impression is the lack of mechanical engine noise and smooth idle - definitely an improvement.  Power, however, was about the same as my 110 (my 110 was dynoed after an exhaust change, so I'm getting a little more oomph there).  No change in temperature - my 2016 is a cool running motor, far cooler than my 2008 CVO was.  Oddly enough, the cooling fans ran on the 2017 where my 2016 fans rarely ever run.
Suspension felt no different and handling was the same feel as my 2016.
My biggest concern is HD's record for having problems with the first year motors.  EVOs had leaky cylinder base gaskets, Twinkies had cam bearing failures, the 110s had head gasket issues in the 2007 model year.  So, I'm staying away from them till at least 2018.  At besides, I have a 2016 that has had zero problems in its first 9000 miles.  And, I don't care for the colors on the 2017s.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 22, 2016, 07:20:09 AM
Rode a 2017 Street glide special yesterday.  It had the HD stage one kit, slip ons, hi flow air cleaner and a HD map.

Motor is very smooth, only a very little harley shake, which I like.  Very little mechanical noise from motor, which I love, no longer sounds like something is soon to fail.  Transmission is smoother.

The power of the 107 with the stage one was very similar if not slightly better than my 15 SERGU with a Fullsac exhaust system, hi flow air cleaner and a TTS tuner with a good tune.  Really impressed with the low end of this new motor.  I'm sure with no cat it will make more power than a stage 1 110.  Really love the new motor, can't wait to try the 114.

Front suspension is a huge improvement.  Much firmer, felt like less flex pushing the curves.  Way less dive under hard braking, felt more planted in the curves.  Rear seamed improved also.
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: BigLew on September 22, 2016, 11:02:36 AM
That's kind of what I got out of the ride as well, not sure I would want to pay the difference to the CVO. But I haven't seen a CVO RG yet. Hope its a Hot rod version like the 09. Wish there was one I could rent for the weekend so I could spend more than 10 min on one. My bike at 202/178 is a tough act to follow but it beats you up after a while.

BigLew
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on September 22, 2016, 12:01:41 PM
Took a test ride on a 2017 last week to compare it to my 2016 CVO.  Biggest impression is the lack of mechanical engine noise and smooth idle - definitely an improvement.  Power, however, was about the same as my 110 (my 110 was dynoed after an exhaust change, so I'm getting a little more oomph there).  No change in temperature - my 2016 is a cool running motor, far cooler than my 2008 CVO was.  Oddly enough, the cooling fans ran on the 2017 where my 2016 fans rarely ever run.
Suspension felt no different and handling was the same feel as my 2016.
My biggest concern is HD's record for having problems with the first year motors.  EVOs had leaky cylinder base gaskets, Twinkies had cam bearing failures, the 110s had head gasket issues in the 2007 model year.  So, I'm staying away from them till at least 2018.  At besides, I have a 2016 that has had zero problems in its first 9000 miles.  And, I don't care for the colors on the 2017s.

I AGREE THE COLORS ARE VERY UNDERWHELMING
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: Panhead_Jimmy on September 28, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Luckily I have the most reliable, blah, blah, blah.   :oops:   

I just replaced the noisy lifters and cam in my 22K mile 2015 CVO.  So much for reliable.  At least I wasn't on the road in BFE or some other gosh darn freakin place.

So...I guess my new M8 doesn't have a high bar to exceed, eh?  You definitely need 2 H-Ds to be on the road constantly. 

Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: DesertHOG on September 28, 2016, 07:31:26 PM
I just replaced the noisy lifters and cam in my 22K mile 2015 CVO.  So much for reliable.  At least I wasn't on the road in BFE or some other gosh darn freakin place.

So...I guess my new M8 doesn't have a high bar to exceed, eh?  You definitely need 2 H-Ds to be on the road constantly.

One HD and one K1600GTx would work as well  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 CVO MODELS/CHANGES
Post by: FLTRCVO on September 28, 2016, 10:31:49 PM
I just replaced the noisy lifters and cam in my 22K mile 2015 CVO.  So much for reliable.  At least I wasn't on the road in BFE or some other gosh darn freakin place.

So...I guess my new M8 doesn't have a high bar to exceed, eh?  You definitely need 2 H-Ds to be on the road constantly.
Hate to dispel your theory, I had a 2007 CVO and a 2009 CVO at the same time both were in the shop and I was riding my 1998 Honda Valkyrie. However, most of the blame goes toward the 2007 CVO due to the fact it was always in the shop First production year of the 110 and the 2009 CVO was in the shop for a recall for 3 days.