Someone starts this or a similar thread every year. NO body ever gets it right, why ask.X100 (I took the liberty of replying for a few other members of this site. I'm sure I underestimated.)
Chevy really didn't take a year off. The 1984 were ready early and passed the emissions. So you just bought the 1984 when the 1983 would have normally been out.
The story in this thread is not what is expected from Harley Davidson in 2017 but that most all of our local dealers still have new 2015's along side the unsold 2016's on their showroom.
So, I predict no new 2017 models....the MoCo takes a year off from manufacturing. Hey Chevy did it with the Corvette in 1983.. :nixweiss:
Expanding on that prediction, the MoCo will be focusing on motorclothes/accessories/wall prints for the 2017 model year..... ::)
I know, I were jus attempting to be phuny.... ;DWasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?
But you can't buy a 1983 Corvette..... :)
Wasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?
The story in this thread is not what is expected from Harley Davidson in 2017 but that most all of our local dealers still have new 2015's along side the unsold 2016's on their showroom.
So, I predict no new 2017 models....the MoCo takes a year off from manufacturing. Hey Chevy did it with the Corvette in 1983.. :nixweiss:
Expanding on that prediction, the MoCo will be focusing on motorclothes/accessories/wall prints for the 2017 model year..... ::)
The pool boy must have quit his job... ;D
Wasn't 84 the year of the wonderful Crossfire Injection?Pretty sure the 82 had the crossfire injection. 82 and 84 I am pretty sure were the only years corvette used it.
I heard the Chinese are buying MOCO and they will be available at Wallmart in 2017. :huepfenlol2:
The Walmart near me already has one. It sits out front, you can ride it for a quarter. :D
I think '84 and '85 were the only two years with the Cross Ram TB's.
Pretty sure the 82 had the crossfire injection. 82 and 84 I am pretty sure were the only years corvette used it.
There is one 1983 corvette, its in Bowling Green KY at the Corvette museum, They ran production of the 82 longer than normal, and started the 84 earlier than normal.
I had an 85 Vette and it didn't have Cross Fire, it had tuned port injection.
The Walmart near me already has one. It sits out front, you can ride it for a quarter. :D
I will attest to that (although it's now $.50)....That's some good stuff right there ;D
:orange: And still nothing new! Guess what boys, I don't care! I am just going to ride what I have!
MEEEEEEE TOOOOOOO unless they come out with a _________________ OH never mind!!!!! This is all Twolanes fault. I think he killed the pool boy!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
That little bi-atch is dead. Yeap. :drink:
Oh crap, but his name was Snow, Juan Snow.... ???
Seance time? :nixweiss:
I don't know. But if you see a red witch I'm not going in the pool.
Nope, have not heard anything but what I would like to see is NO MORE FLAMES.
They have put the flames on the CVO SG since 2012. Would like to see something different other than flames.
Oh...and a 120 would be nice.
Nope, have not heard anything but what I would like to see is NO MORE FLAMES.
They have put the flames on the CVO SG since 2012. Would like to see something different other than flames.
Oh...and a 120 would be nice.
Puppies are nice! ;)
Mike
:drink:
Puppies are nice! ;)
Mike
:drink:
I did hear that the puppies will only be available on the Full Dress CVO Touring Bikes so you will feel all warm and fuzzy. All other models will have as an option bat skin covered mirrors and seats so you can ride " Batchit Crazy ".
Mike
:drink:
can't believe Jimmy (aka 2k) hasn' chimed in on the puppy mill
Puppies are nice! ;)
Mike
:drink:
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor :2vrolijk_21:
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013
with a bigger motor :2vrolijk_21:
id like to see a road glide custom like the built in 2012 and 2013God I hope not, would be hard to pass on that..
with a bigger motor :2vrolijk_21:
God I hope not, would be hard to pass on that..
Just wanted to let everyone know I don't know anything either. Y'all have a good Sunday. :drink:
Don,
News flash... There maybe a Black & they will be V Twins.
Just wanted to let everyone know I don't know anything either. Y'all have a good Sunday. :drink:
I heard 110s in all touring models and CVOs get 117"s....who knows!I understand they want the current supply of touring models cleared out. That would support your theory. I'm waiting to see if/what the new street glide will look like. Citrus would be nice. lol :orange:
I find it amazing that nothing has leaked yet about new models. How do they do that? We know more about Russia's future nuclear programs than a bunch of CVO's being released in about a month?
Where do they keep those bikes away from spy shots? Fort Knox?
I find it amazing that nothing has leaked yet about new models. How do they do that? We know more about Russia's future nuclear programs than a bunch of CVO's being released in about a month?Or it may be easier to hide in plain sight when the basic design hasn't changed since 1936..... If seen it could be passed off as a one of custom bike.
Where do they keep those bikes away from spy shots? Fort Knox?
If you leak new models or new features, you kill the sales of the present model year.
From the amount of inventory on some showroom floors, appears the killing already started without the leaks.For sure. And you'd think there would be discounting to move 'em out but I've not noticed any.
For sure. And you'd think there would be discounting to move 'em out but I've not noticed any.
It'll be interesting to see what the 17s look like and come equipped with. I've sworn more than once that 'this is my last new Harley' so 'never say never' but it would take quite a bit to push me in that direction.
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If there is a new motor for 2017 that would be of real interest. Something innovative that has been tested and actually works like it is supposed to when you ride off - might be of real interest too.
:zroflmao: :zroflmao:
Jerry
On HDForum, rumors of a Sport Glide"?
I would love one!
:2vrolijk_21:
FXRT ?
YB
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/harley-davidson-rumored-to-bring-back-the-sport-glide-108075.html
If you look at the photos, the steering stabilizer is there because it is a Tri-Glide, (the front brake calipers confirm this). Also there is still a dipstick, it just sits lower, and further to the rear.d
A very uneducated guess would be an oil line related to the oil cooled heads that have been rumored. The Revzilla guy said that the oil feeds from one head to another like last seen in the old shovel head design, so maybe a feed line from the sump to the rear head first, from there to the front head to the filter, cooler and back to the sump. :nixweiss:Yes, I think so. I wonder if the solid piece between the finned jugs and the chrome rocker cover is a fuel rail?
Yes, I think so. I wonder if the solid piece between the finned jugs and the chrome rocker cover is a fuel rail?
Boy it's fun to speculate ain't it Don!!! Wish the ol Poolboys was alive cause I'm sure you would have the Scoop!!!!
At least one thing is clear...Those hoses are connected to something' and that something is Nipples, so I'm going to name this engine the "Nipple Head"
I'm trying to figure out what the highlighted line is going to.
You wanna be the beta tester!!!! If them Nipples leak you can have your very own personal Wet T shirt Contest, all while riding down your favorite Two Lane road, or you can Pull a Hubbard and do it on your favorite interstate..
For a mere 3K you can augment your Nipple Head with Genuine Screamin Eagle Supersize Nipples for that extra measure of performance and appeal!!!!
I am wondering what kind of special screamin' eagle tool you will need to change those center plugs?
You won't have to change those center plugs, Harley will use the super duper long life plugs tipped with unobtainium that will last 100,000 miles, or twice as long as the rest of the engine. Changing plugs during overhauls will be recommended.
Jerry ;)
The line up front appears to have a crimp type wire clamp (like used to be used on the oil lines between the engine and oil pan on the early Twin Cams). So something with more pressure being maintained. With the line attached to it going on down the downtube as Shrader pointed out that's very likely oil under pressure.
From what I read, I thought it was a oil line cooling the rear of the heads. And there is a water (antifreeze) line cooling the front of the heads.The article says, “These engines are set up to have the heads both oil- and water-cooled. Oil feeds from the rear rocker box up to the front."
Time will tell.
YB
I guess now that Deeley (prior exclusive Canadian importer for H-D) is gone and dealers in Canada are now working directly with the MoCo, the rumour mill is heating up north of the 49th...
Recently I heard that for 2017 we can look forward to oil cooled heads and a move from 103 to 107 for the standard models, with the CVO's going to 117.
Just wondered if anyone else has heard the same. :nixweiss:
Go back a page or two. All they've been talking about "nipple" this and "nipple" that.
These pics were posted on the "Rushmore" Harley thread.Another SESG I wonder? Speakers in the bag lids, rear footpegs and a two piece seat.
The street glide CVO has a 114 badge. In case someone missed it. And it looks like there is a less clearly defined break between the case and cylinder. Could these cases split horizontally like the Vrod with the cylinder cast into the top half????I see the 114 in the second pix now that I went back and looked again. Really seems like an anemic attempt to one-up the other bikes in the displacement category. Seems like history shows the CVO always jumped at least 7 CID when the engine went bigger.
Looking at that picture again and there is no case split visible like in every other non-Vrod since 1903 so yeah, these cases split the other way I think...Could just be the picture...If that is true it will make any type of big bore kit a LOT more problematic.
These pics were posted on the "Rushmore" Harley thread.
Moving away from motor talk a bit here....I like the painted on tank badging... :2vrolijk_21:
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time? I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.
Jerry
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time? I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.
Jerry
Back to the 114 motor for a second...They appear to; at least the SESGS
I cant make out the line that Twolane and I were talking about with the FreeWheeler, Revzilla pictures. Maybe the bikes with lowers remain to have liquid cooled heads, while the bikes without lowers have oil cooled heads.
Back to the 114 motor for a second...
I cant make out the line that Twolane and I were talking about with the FreeWheeler, Revzilla pictures. Maybe the bikes with lowers remain to have liquid cooled heads, while the bikes without lowers have oil cooled heads.
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference. In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head. It's hard to miss. See no such extension on the other pic.
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference. In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head. It's hard to miss. See no such extension on the other pic.
At least on the recent pics there does appear to be a difference. In a side by side you can see the rear line as a very pronounced and obvious extension from the rear head. It's hard to miss. See no such extension on the other pic.What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.
What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.Look at the clamp right by the end of the arrow and you'll see it's definitely not a plug wire.
What looks like a line at the rear looks more like a spark plug wire which makes no sense.The are two views of the rear cylinder in the picture. The left side of the picture is taken from the cam side and the right side of the picture is from the primary side. If you look at the picture from the cam side it looks more like a plug wire coming from top of the rocker box. Just thought it looked odd.
Look at the clamp right by the end of the arrow and you'll see it's definitely not a plug wire.
The are two views of the rear cylinder in the picture. The left side of the picture is taken from the cam side and the right side of the picture is from the primary side. If you look at the picture from the cam side it looks more like a plug wire coming from top of the rocker box. Just thought it looked odd.
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time? I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.NOPE
Jerry
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time? I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.Got a deposit in at the dealership.
Jerry
Got a deposit in at the dealership.How many miles do you have on your '15 now Joe? Any particular model you'll be interested in? I'm guessing no SERG for next year as there's pix of a new SESG out there.
How many miles do you have on your '15 now Joe? Any particular model you'll be interested in? I'm guessing no SERG for next year as there's pix of a new SESG out there.
when is the dealer meeting?August 22nd
OK, who plans to sign up to be the beta testers for the new models this time? I assume Harley assumes the 110 beta testers will have forgotten all about their experiences after nine years and will be eager to do it all over again.
Jerry
Not if they gave me one for free.....
For free? I'd be all over it for free. Test mule / guinea pig on someone else's dime. Then when it inevitably suffered some alpha testing level failure break the thing down and sell all the good bits online.
You forgot the chrome valve caps. Mine's held up pretty good. :P
Dang it Don, remember this is a HD we're talking about....what would you consider to be good bits? The horn cover and the primary chain?? From what I read that's about all that doesn't catch grief on here... :P
When is the dealer meeting?
When is the dealer meeting?August 22nd
I dunno, but it definitely doesn't look like a seat. :oops::huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Not if they gave me one for free.....
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?
Welcome to the Forum.Agree with YB on this one. Now just waiting for my eyes to refocus after staring at the pix to figure it out. :-X
I just looked back at the picture of the Tank. It does look like a "T", but I think it's just a reflection of some sort. Maybe from overhead bench light.
YB
There's plenty of pictures and information circulating around the Harley forums, coupled with the fact the Twin Cam is 17 years old, so we know it coming in August. Really it's a shame, because Moco was just starting to work out all the kinks in the twin cam! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
The Twin Cam is the new Evo! ;D Hey, what am I laughing about, my CVO is going to be worth two dead flies, come September! :nervous:
In the first glance I´ve been with you. But I don´t think it is so true in europe. Here we have pretty harsh changes regarding noise regulations and exhaust emissions with the 2017 model year. So there might come new and fancy engines - but I wonder if they´ll be better Harley-engines. Bit mo´ power and torque vs the sound of vacuum cleaners? We´ll see ...
So what I want to say - in europe - there might be a better position in general for older model years, because of sound and tuning possibilities.
Anyone else notice it looks like it says HarleyT Davidson on the tank ,maybe for test bike? Or is it just me?
I think its just a line extention going backward from the Top of the "D". Just a little flair thingy to give it a sense of movement or flow
I think its just a line extention going backward from the Top of the "D". Just a little flair thingy to give it a sense of movement or flow
In the first glance I´ve been with you. But I don´t think it is so true in europe. Here we have pretty harsh changes regarding noise regulations and exhaust emissions with the 2017 model year. So there might come new and fancy engines - but I wonder if they´ll be better Harley-engines. Bit mo´ power and torque vs the sound of vacuum cleaners? We´ll see ...
So what I want to say - in europe - there might be a better position in general for older model years, because of sound and tuning possibilities.
For free? I'd be all over it for free. Test mule / guinea pig on someone else's dime. Then when it inevitably suffered some alpha testing level failure break the thing down and sell all the good bits online.
I had just left Nelson Canada GTG when my first head gasket/base gasket started leaking and I had spent $$$ at the Dealer just before leaving on the trip so they had installed the first head gasket with the part number I got from this site amongst headwork cams etc. and tune. The dealer didn't have the part number yet.
Not to side rail this thread, but Gerhard, how old does a motorcycle have to be to be excluded from the new noise rules?
In some states here if the bike is older than say, 30 years, it's does not have to comply with current noise rules and can legally run just about any exhaust system without penalty.
Thanks.
Hi Dan,
that differs from year to year. Generally spoken, the older, the louder. It is correlated to the date and then valid regulations, when it got its first traffic allowance from the european authorities. Old Triumphs, Panheads, MV´s etc. can be operated really loud.
But: the biggest leap "into the silence" is happening right now, with the new restrictions for the oncoming 2017. We then will have here in Europe new, restrictive emission regulations, the so called "Euro6", that will castrate the pipes too. Just have a look at the J&H or V&H-websites for european customers - that´s why these enterprises developed this fancy electronically controlled exhaust-systems, to meet the new european test cycles. My FLHXSE has still the stock pipes, and if you open the throttle - they are really loud. Stock! I think this will differ a little next year. And maybe its getting worse (= even more silent). What is bad for new customers - cause a bike, especially a Harley - HAS to be heard ;-) and, well, better for people who are looking for a "new old" bike. For riding or tuning reasons.
And yes, you´re right, also in Europe the so called "Oldtimer-status" is from 30 years on. Then its gettin´ really loud ;-)))
regards, Gerhard.
Gerhard, Thanks...
So if I'm looking to sell my '76 FLH shovelhead with probably not noise restrictions, the UK or European markets may be a good market to advertise in.
Just thinking out loud.
Are there UK Harley For Sale sites that you know of that I might give it a go in?
Good luck with the '17 restrictions.
Thanks again and have a great day.
thx Dan - according the sites, there are many, try the net; & here are some (including dealers):
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/harley-davidson/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/harley-davidson?gclid=CPONtYnwqc4CFRYTGwod-GgLsQ&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJ2O3Inwqc4CFe8R0wodZ4QFog
http://www.warrs.com/?gclid=COO2p5jwqc4CFQxmGwodZp0A6A
http://www.lakesideharley-davidson.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes.htm
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list/3316/motorcycles.html?keyword=harley+davidson
thumbs up, Gerhard.
2017 CARB link
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php)
No 2017 HD listed as of today.
This entry for Polaris is interesting.From what I understand, it's a GM engine that was once used in Pontiacs.
Jerry
So no new models for 2017. It sucks when there's so many 2016s left on the floor they have to skip a year.
... rumored 131" 8 valve engine...I've thought since I first read about the 107/114/131 line-up from Revzilla, that it's probably 107/114/121. That would seem like a much more predictable escalation from my point of view. I think the 131 was just a typo or miscommunication. I guess we'll see next week. Actually, I bet we don't see the big one right away, but who knows?
I haven't seen any references to a 121 ...Nope, just me thunkin' out loud... :nixweiss:
Definitely a concern being a new engine design but being an early adopter can be rather exciting.. It will undoubtedly come with numerous hiccups, corrections and adjustments however manufacturing and design techniques have dramatically improved and should result in less issues than with past new technologies. That being said, I imagine that you'll get your money's worth out of an extended warranty!
I am worried about a motor change even more than no flames. My experience with a motor improvement in the past has not been good, dating way back to the B balance, First year is painful especially on the cvo,s.......yuk
once HD launches their new CVO 114" 8 valve water-cooled engine in an Ultra or RoadGlide Ultra, I'll be heading to my dealing as soon as they get back from the show.I admire your optimism and adventurous spirit, but standing at the side of the road 1000 miles from home, waiting for a tow truck and watching my vacation time tick away, doesn't meet my definition of "first-adopter excitement." I'm not doing any more beta testing for HD. :oops:
I admire your optimism and adventurous spirit, but standing at the side of the road 1000 miles from home, waiting for a tow truck and watching my vacation time tick away, doesn't meet my definition of "first-adopter excitement." I'm not doing any more beta testing for HD. :oops:
Never Buy a Harley without the warranty if your going to ride it. I am at a little over $12.000.00 in claims. lol :2vrolijk_21:
Yup. :2vrolijk_21:
I am just over $20.000.00
This entry for Polaris is interesting.Isn't the Slingshot the three wheeled car type thing :nixweiss:
Jerry
Isn't the Slingshot the three wheeled car type thing :nixweiss:Yup.
Never Buy a Harley without the warranty if your going to ride it. I am at a little over $12.000.00 in claims. lol :2vrolijk_21:
That happened to me on my '11 SERGU. No guarantees regardless of your ride.No argument with that, just that, based on HDs recent history (2007, '08) the beta testers discover many of the problems--the hard way. Plus, there are problems that are generally early, somewhat later, and so on.
No argument with that, just that, based on HDs recent history (2007, '08) the beta testers discover many of the problems--the hard way. Plus, there are problems that are generally early, somewhat later, and so on.
How many miles on yours when the problem bit?
Looks like it might not be a 4 valve engine they announce next week after all.... http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-to-announce-107ci-and-114ci-milwaukee-eight-engine.html
Although I suspect the article might be wrong since this picture (since pulled from the Harley online parts catalog) shows the new 114" upgrade kits with 8 valve springs....
Looks like it might not be a 4 valve engine they announce next week after all.... http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-to-announce-107ci-and-114ci-milwaukee-eight-engine.html
Although I suspect the article might be wrong since this picture (since pulled from the Harley online parts catalog) shows the new 114" upgrade kits with 8 valve springs....
Heatwave.....I hope you are correct....!
We should all know on Monday. I believe the grand reveal is on Monday morning at the dealer show.It's actually Tuesday morning. I've been invited to the principle's office ( My service manager likes me) to watch it on HD's dealer broadcast. :2vrolijk_21:
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.htmlWhere's the "dis-like" button?
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html
Based on this article I'm guessing the SE SuperTuner is toast and that the ecm's on the new bike's will be locked out from tuning. That's going to make it very difficult on the aftermarket guys unless they come up with a way to unlock the ecm. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-sues-harley-davidson-environmental-violations-151041860--finance.html
Aftermarket will find a way to tune them, I always wondered how the manufacturer got away with selling the tuners, knew they said "race/off-road use only" but seemed like a conflict of interest.
Harley lists a new turner for the 2017's. As of 145 Eastern Time the part was not obsolete. But I bet it will be on Monday!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Looks like its a new tuner according to the MOCO document Don posted.
I'm sure the others will have tuners soon for the 17 bikes.
New bikes out tomorrow. Can't wait....I sure hope they have some great colors for the Limited...
According to the EPA site there will be 4 models getting the new 107 (1746cc) engines and 2 models getting the new 114 (1868cc)engine.I'm pretty sure the screen shot of that is posted on here somewhere already. I think it's also been mentioned that it's probably a typo especially after seeing the 107-114 upgrade kit with the 4 valve springs and reliefs cut into the pistons for 4 valves.
107s: ELECTRA GLIDE ULTRA LIMITED LOW, ROAD GLIDE ULTRA, ULTRA LIMITED, ULTRA LIMITED SHRINE EDITION
114s:CVO STREET GLIDE, CVO ULTRA LIMITED
Interestingly enough, the EPA data shows these engines has have 2valves per cylinder. We'll know tomorrow morning.
https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/crttst.htm
Thanks for posting but all those photos were on various sites a couple weeks ago.... But tomorrow is the big day!! Ride safe.Yes i now ;)
107 in the standard models and a 114 it looked like the badge said ? Is this a ligit photo of the 17 cvo street glideWe will see tomorrow :orange:
You said 8 am ? Who's time ? Mountain
We will see tomorrow :orange:Or look tonight...
Looks like no RG or RGU CVO at all for 2017. RG and RGS still have the 103 twin cam engines. Maybe a mid year CVO RG/U.Nope. All the sharks get the 107. I posted pix of the report in another thread.
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Nope. All the sharks get the 107. I posted pix of the report in another thread.Thanks for the correction. Missed that one.
Keep in mind also that this list ONLY has the models that are Cali approved. They might not have gotten paperwork or processed it from MoCo yet about any other CVO bikes.
The reports are not entirely complete as the Softail line is missing, so it could be that there is something else in the CVO line coming as well.
While you may not find the new 107 or 114 in the model or color of your choice, these new engines may be pretty exciting based on the CARB power summary. For comparison, the CARB power rating for the current 110ci is 60kw or 80.5hp. The new 114 is CARB rated at 75kw or 100.6hp. That's a 25% increase in power over the existing 110 engine design.
Whether you're measure the power at the crank or the rear wheel, that's a hell of a big jump in power for 4 cubic inches. If the results on paper are realized in the seat of the new bikes, then kudos to Harley for a hell of a new engine design and a terrific starting point for upgrades.
These are really impressive numbers. The 20 HP increase is almost unbelievable !!
The numbers on the new engines look pretty good, a good power increase.Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.
Very sad there is no SERG or SERGU. Really was wanting a SERG with the new engine.
Or....., and this would be more my take on it, the old numbers were very very underwhelming and the new numbers (if accurate in the field) are making a step toward more contemporary standards.
Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.While I agree on the soft tail models not on there yet. I would think that a SERG or SERGU would have been tested with the SESG. So I will be really surprised if there is a SERG. I would also be happy if there is one.
I just saw some HP power ratings on the new motors. According to the new numbers they produce more horse power but I am sceptical that they are going to have an increase in TQ.
124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.
124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.
Not much of a bump from the 110
Not much of a bump from the 110
Not sure how you concluded that? A stock 110 is 80hp/115ft-lbs. I'd say the new 114 with 100hp/124ft-lbs is a DRAMATIC jump in a stock engine performance with only an additional 4ci.
Not sure how you concluded that? A stock 110 is 80hp/115ft-lbs. I'd say the new 114 with 100hp/124ft-lbs is a DRAMATIC jump in a stock engine performance with only an additional 4ci.
2017 SE parts website is up. http://www.harley-davidson.com/shop/screamin-eagle
110 was not 80 at the crank, stock trim 110's put down over 80 at the wheel. Mine put down 84hp/103 tq. This 100/124 for the 114 are crank numbers. Wheel power you're still in the 80's for HP and likely in the 105-110 tq range.
H-Ds numbers are comparable to each other as a baseline.If the 114 hp is as underrated as the 110, then yes, good bump, but if the 114 is accurate then there's going to be some disappointed people. I guess we'll find out the truth once someone gets one on the rollers.
110" = 80.6hp & 115tq
114" = 100.6hp & 124tq
Those are from the same metric for equivalence. Crank or wheel doesn't matter. They're by the same standard for direct comparison.
Plus 25% for hp. Plus 8% for tq.
HD Catalog just updated. Includes a new stage 3 kit for the 114 bumped to 117. 24% increase in power over the 114.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci
If the 114 hp is as underrated as the 110, then yes, good bump, but if the 114 is accurate then there's going to be some disappointed people. I guess we'll find out the truth once someone gets one on the rollers.
One thing that's evident is that the 80.6 crank hp for the 110 was wrong by a lot. 80 crank hp would be in the 60's at the wheel and no one saw anything that low (though I did see some in the mid 70's)
I see what you were saying. Here's hoping it IS the same comparative metric.
Increases power by up to 24% when compared to the Original Equipment engine configuration
Delivers increased throttle response throughout the entire RPM range
Produces flexible roll-on passing power without a required downshift
Delivers excellent stop-light to freeway speed on-ramp acceleration
Retains Original Equipment Factory Warranty
50-State U.S. EPA compliant
Includes 4.075" Bolt-On Cylinders, Forged 11:1 High Compression Pistons, High performance Piston Rings and Tappets, SE8-498 Cam, Performance Valve Springs, Multi-layer coated Head Gaskets, Cylinder Base & Cam Cover Gaskets, High-Capacity Clutch Spring
Still room for 4.125" cylinders in the future for more displacement.
11.0:1 CR
Nice.
HD Website is updated with 2017 models
No CVOs yet. :(
Better look again. I saw the CVO Limited's 10 minutes ago. Four colors this year including a very ugly green!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
FLHXSE6 Color Combos
Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink
Sunburst Orange / Starfire Black
Dark Slate Candy / Arctic Black
Starfire Black / Atomic Red
There's going to be a Starfire Black / Atomic Red CVO Limited in my near future, including a 117 stage 3 upgrade kit http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/milwaukee-eight-stage-iii-kit-114ci-to-117ci
I'll be happy for anyone who buys a 17 but the colors/paint schemes on the 17 CVO Limited and Streetglides leave much to be desired IMO.. No CVO Roadglide. Maybe the engine and suspension will be worth it but I was done looking on their website in about 5 minutes.
The green limited is one ugly bike...
And of course they come out with their version of a blue tooth headset, but you can't pair it with the bike, just your phone...LOLWe saw that while watching the meeting but they gave no specs on it.
Shows 124 TQ at 3250 on the HD website now.
I believe the wet head is dead....there goes the resale value...LOL
Looking at the assembly video, I'm guessing they redesigned the Milwaukee 8 from the top down but still placed the oil filter in the same dang location. If the MoCo listened to their customers, Uda-thunk they would'a redesigned that small pain in the booty oil filter location, too...
Looking at the assembly video, I'm guessing they redesigned the Milwaukee 8 from the top down but still placed the oil filter in the same dang location. If the MoCo listened to their customers, Uda-thunk they would'a redesigned that small pain in the booty oil filter location, too...I'm heading back to the dealer now to see what all he's taking off his truck today.... I'll try and get a pix if I remember.
they call that:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:nostalgialazy
With the Candy Cobalt / Indigo Ink SESG, I can't help but be reminded of the 2004 FLHTCSE "Huckleberry". :D
So now the most important question: Which CVO SG color will be the hot one this year? After owning a mercury and grey bike I think I am partial to something a bit more subdued like the black and gray color scheme....What say the board???
So now the most important question: Which CVO SG color will be the hot one this year? After owning a mercury and grey bike I think I am partial to something a bit more subdued like the black and gray color scheme....What say the board???
[/Me too it was my favorite bike. Not sure how the new one really compares
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These paint jobs though... My goodness Harley. So happy to have my 2012 CVO SG.
So what does this big model roll out do to the value of the 14 - 16 CVO's? Raise them? lower them?
Who wants to start a pool on what the first warranty claim will be on the 2017's?
Front suspension locking up?
Engine locking up?
brakes failing?
:oops:
The Ruby Red/Typhoon Maroon FLHXSE3 is the high-water mark for CVO baggers, IMHO.
I'm heading back to the dealer now to see what all he's taking off his truck today.... I'll try and get a pix if I remember.Yup. Still in the same spot. Check out that big oil cooler up front.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/cecae1401cabd54e23a1ed0e60a2db92.jpg)
I heard an engine locked up rolling one off the trailer. :nixweiss:
NO VALVE TRAIN NOISE on the new ones. Has a whirring sound like a roots style blower only much quieter.That in itself is an outstanding improvement ;D!
IMO, the annual CVOs should be:
FLHTKSE Ultra Classic Limited
FLTRUSE Road Glide Ultra
FLHXSE Street Glide
FLTRXSE Road Glide Custom
Add a fifth model to rotate between Softails and Dynas, with a Road King every few years.
Idk the dang Ultra can be a CVO every year, and same with the street glide then your right Road glide should be also.
Very disappointed no FLTRXSE this year.
Idk the dang Ultra can be a CVO every year, and same with the street glide then your right Road glide should be also.
Very disappointed no FLTRXSE this year.
Next year, Dave
Along with new frame 8)
I just put my name on the first sunburst orange/starfire black SG coming to my dealer. He called me from Boston (or wherever the dealer show is at) so guess I'll be the beta-tester on this one. Luckily I have the most reliable, comfortable and beautiful 2015 FLHTKSE on the planet for backup, otherwise buying a "first year production" H-D would be out of the question. Let the fun begin. Or, I may back out if I come to my senses in time. :oops:
No mention that I can see in the specs of any of the bikes :nixweiss:of CB Radio - no longer fitted as standard?Service manager noted that also. I would hope it's still standard on the CVO Ultras.
Service manager noted that also. I would hope it's still standard on the CVO Ultras.
No reference to a cb but all the pics show dual antennas. I assume one of them must be the cb....right?The Limited they have at my dealer does not have the PTT button on the right side and we looked into the radio features as well. It isn't there. I didn't bother to check for dual antennas. Those might be just an asthetic thing for the show and moco's website. I'll double check my pix and see if I have the back of that bike in any of them.
Why does everyone keep saying there will be a new frame next year? If there was it seems odd anyone would know about it this soon anyhow
Congrats Jimmy. Don't you still have a K1600 for backup to the backup too? :)
Why does everyone keep saying there will be a new frame next year? If there was it seems odd anyone would know about it this soon anyhow
Yup. Still in the same spot. Check out that big oil cooler up front.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160823/cecae1401cabd54e23a1ed0e60a2db92.jpg)
New "common frame" for Dynas and Touring bikes to be released in 2018. Probably a cost benefit in manufacturing combined with some handling improvements.
I seemed to have totaled the GTL 1600 on an undetected center curb. Oops
I seemed to have totaled the GTL 1600 on an undetected center curb. Oops
Hmmmm...
I just put my name on the first sunburst orange/starfire black SG coming to my dealer. He called me from Boston (or wherever the dealer show is at) so guess I'll be the beta-tester on this one. Luckily I have the most reliable, comfortable and beautiful 2015 FLHTKSE on the planet for backup, otherwise buying a "first year production" H-D would be out of the question. Let the fun begin. Or, I may back out if I come to my senses in time. :oops:Now that is THE color Jimmy! Man I wish that color was offered on the CVO Limited, I'd be all over it. :2vrolijk_21:
Now that is THE color Jimmy! Man I wish that color was offered on the CVO Limited, I'd be all over it. :2vrolijk_21:
New suspension!
Never mind... same old shock they sold on the CVO street glide for a couple years.
This is going to kill the sale of $50 HD hand air pumps ($70 if you want the digital version).
Color kinda reminds me of the 2007 Jester and we all know there were never any problems with that year. Right?Problems? What problems? ;D
Problems? What problems? ;D
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.
You are correct.... I had not noticed that before....odd! They did not do that on the Ultras????n
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.
Not in the market to replace my '15 RGU but noticed a pic from Boston that not sure what I'm looking at. Looks like a CVO RG but some items don't look like a CVO. Wonder if there are some customs at the show taking a RG Special and adding paint and CVO parts.On HDs site it list that paint set at $5k plus another $2k for the saddlebags. I did not research it past that to see if that included the front fender or not. I'm guessing it'll be a $45k+ price tag on it by the time it's all done. Only 200 each of that color and the green color will be available.
No reference to a cb but all the pics show dual antennas. I assume one of them must be the cb....right?
Another year of black motors....even if the paint on the tins looked good enough for me to ride one home, all the black painted parts is a deal breaker for me. My vote is for more chrome. :2vrolijk_21: IMO, the Street Glides haven't been up to par for a CVO paint job since 2012.
Not a fan of the paint scheme and black engine.
CVO for me is granite engine and more chrome. In 2012 they hit the mark on the street glides excluding the lifters and cam bearings.
Clutch engagement still at 90% of lever travel.
Another year of black motors....even if the paint on the tins looked good enough for me to ride one home, all the black painted parts is a deal breaker for me. My vote is for more chrome. :2vrolijk_21: IMO, the Street Glides haven't been up to par for a CVO paint job since 2012.Exactly!!
On HDs site it list that paint set at $5k plus another $2k for the saddlebags. I did not research it past that to see if that included the front fender or not. I'm guessing it'll be a $45k+ price tag on it by the time it's all done. Only 200 each of that color and the green color will be available.
Did anyone notice that the color patterns are reversed on the rear fender and saddlebags? For example the fairing, front fender, lowers, tank and side covers have the main color (in this case orange on the Streetglide) with secondary color (black) as accents, and the rear fender and bags are black with orange accents. Looks a little strange from above the bike to see the bright orange tank and the black saddlebag lids and black inner fairing.
:(
Stopped by the dealer again today. Only one antenna on the new Ultras. At least they were smart enough to put it on the hinge side of the TP.
You guys use the CB? I never have... with cell phones and bluetooth etc. I'm not sure the reason, group riding? Our group is usually 4 bikes or less.
I believe the CB is now only offered from the factory on the CVO Limited.I believe they made the change in 2014.
I believe they made the change in 2014.
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Nope. This is the first year that there's no CB on the Limited.
That would be a showstopper for me.
Nope. This is the first year that there's no CB on the Limited.Sorry, I was referring to the Ultra. I first noticed no CB in 2014. Thanks for the info on the 2017 Limited.
That would be a showstopper for me.
Looks like new saddlebag latches also. Screw on? Sorry for the blurry pic.
Got to ride both a 107 Street Glide and a 107 Road Glide last evening. There is no valve train noise to speak of, only a muted swirling sound, the motors on both were very quiet. The exhaust is very quiet on start up and idle but when you give it some throttle the exhaust note picks up and gets louder as you twist. Going down the road the exhaust really doesn't sound bad for an emissions compliant exhaust system. The exhaust sounds pretty good when getting on it, *again, for a stock system.
I am not easily impressed from a performance stand point, but I have to say, for a "stock" out of the box new bike, I was pretty impressed with this new motor (and bike). I didn't beat it up as it's brand new and appreciated the opportunity to get an early test ride but I gave them a pretty good run. The bikes are quick, you can feel the acceleration improvement immediately and once you get up around 2700 and especially 3000 you can really feel the added torque and acceleration. The motor has a loose and quick to respond feel that I have never felt on any stock big twin motor before. In my opinion, the guys that are usually on the fence for a stage one kit will not need to even think about one now.
There was almost NO vibration, which for me I like, when I say almost none I mean very, very little.
Of course there was heat on my right leg but definitely less than the previous. I like the way they have the rear exhaust pipe tucked in close to the motor. It appears like they did most of the turn out in the exhaust port of the head instead of in the pipe, which I also like. (this is only a guess obviously)
All is based on my impressions of "stock" and based on my impressions of this 107, the 114 is going to be a home run.
Of course we need to qualify with the usual "time will tell the full story" but for right out of the box I think they knocked it out of the park.
There was no first gear clunk from either bike and very little comp / chain clunk at any time. There was a muted clunk shifting to the upper gears but 5th and 6th was very quiet as was down shifting. Finding neutral was easier than in the past, for a new bike.
I went looking for every bump I could find and found this to be the smoothest riding "Harley" (non ultra) "Stock" I have ever been on. We already know that they changed the front end and it was smooth. I know the rear shocks appear to be the previous hand adjustables but sure seamed to be an improved version, maybe they have simply re-valved or changed dampening. I didn't take time to read anything about the rears so maybe the answer is right in front of me?
I took them both to near scraping the floor boards and the bikes felt planted and I felt no need to back off whatsoever, there was a very good feeling of stability.
I didn't take time to play with any gadgets, sound system sounded good on both.
And before you think it.............. I'm no coolaid drinker, just my unbiased opinion.
Thanks for sharing
I use it regularly. Whenever we do long trips we usually have 6-10 bikes together riding 2-up for a week or more. There's no other technology that can cover a mile or so and allow all riders and passengers to hear and participate in the communication. No BT or cell phone technology has yet been developed that allows broad communication to multiple bikes, both rider and passenger with coverage of a mile or more. All other technologies are still a lesser compromise to a CB. At least that I'm aware of for use on a motorcycle.
Thanks for the pic of the new saddlebag connectors. Another "good" idea from the MoCo engineering department that never thought about how intrusive items like this are. The old connectors weren't in the way....these new ones would catch on everything you put into or take out of the bags.... :nixweiss:
Thanks for the pic of the new saddlebag connectors. Another "good" idea from the MoCo engineering department that never thought about how intrusive items like this are. The old connectors weren't in the way....these new ones would catch on everything you put into or take out of the bags.... :nixweiss:
My 2007 Jester would veer automatically whenever it was in sight of a service department. It had an addiction to sitting on top of bike lifts. >:(Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:
Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:
Some of the 07s were good bikes. Like yours. Not mine. Besides the engine oil seep issue (fixed after 2 tries, all ok afterward) it had electrical gremlins and security system problems that were repeat problems that never went away. Would shut the bike down leaving me stranded. Also, sometimes the right grip would shock my hand, always when the heated grips were turned off. Never could get it to do that at a service dept., was too random. Multiple attempts to fix all the wiring issues, finally gave up on it for my 10.I loved my '07 for all the 96k miles I put on it but it certainly did try my patience. Oil leakage at the rear cylinder/head gasket area was 'repaired' three times before the engine took a chit at 22k due to valve guide failure and was replaced entirely. Then the 0905 'product improvement' I think it was called to that new motor caused an oil leak at the base gasket. After all that it was A-OK for another 60k before the second motor took a chit due to lifter and cam bearing failure. And oh yeah the heat, oh the heat that thing put out was finally resolved with the Khromeworks header with the cross under set up. How and why I stayed with the moco through that beta testing experience I'm not sure - well yes I am. The HDs are the best looking most comfortable bikes available and it just feels so damn good to ride them even with all their shortcomings. Pass the koolaid I'll have another sip, lol. ;D
The engine problems did not cause me the problems that others experienced. Dealer here was great, even gave me a loaner bike to ride when in the shop.
New motor looks really good. Much speculation about some supposed problems but when somebody gets one cracked open figure that will be the better info. Bottom end hopefully is improved as well.
Sorry but that is funny. I still have my 07 and looks like I will for awhile longer now. :coolblue:
Vance & Hines picked up a 2017 Road Glide Special today from my dealer to start development of pipes and mufflers. Their bike is Laguna Orange which is, as best as I can describe, Pearl Orange and is an extremely good looking bike. Though there is not a CVO Road Glide this year, the Special with a set of custom wheels would be a home run.
If the M8 runs as good as the engine looks, it may be iconic. I'm lucky enough to have a Knuckle and Pan (and Twinkie) and I think the M8 will be thought of in that class in the future. Whether it runs worth a chit is TBD.
JMHO
Just stopped at my local dealer, they said MoCo is cutting overall production by 11,000 cycles this year, and CVOs would be cut by a bigger percentage to bring back "exclusivity". I doubt the CVO reduction stands, as they make the largest profits on them.
Anyone seen MY16 CVO production totals yet?
Having produced almost 6400 SESGs in 2015, I'd say "reduced production to restore exclusivity" will still mean plenty of units. That 6400 was an epic high production for CVO models.
think im stopping Saturday in KC at the power train plant on my way to Arkansas, they are having a demo ride day...maybe they will have some CVOs there and i can get some pics, and a test ride or twoGood deal. Let us know whatcha find out and think about the new bikes.
I'd guess similar numbers for 16 SESG based on what I see still for sale, and the hundreds I saw in sturgis this year.
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer. Here is what I learned and my observations:
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer. Here is what I learned and my observations:
Just the facts ma'am, not good nor bad:
The Limiteds (both CVO and non-CVO) are water cooled; all others are oil cooled. The water cooled bikes have no oil cooler but do have a huge ugly plastic shield (for lack of a better description) where the oil cooler would be. Don't know why. :nixweiss:
Saddlebag latches are bolts with a wing so you do not need a wrench to remove/install.
The adjustable shocks have the adjustment on the left shock only. The right shock has no adjustment. I think it preferable to put the adjuster on the right side as you have to remove the saddlebag mounting bolts and at least tilt the bag away from the bike to access the adjuster. On the left side gravity works against you making it more difficult to hold the lose bag and since the bike is leaning on that side more difficult to see the adjuster. I would prefer it on the right side.
As previously reported no CB standard on any model save the CVO Limited. If you want a CB on any other model be prepared to dump some for the CB module, antenna, switch pack, PTT button, wiring harness, etc. I've not thoroughly researched it but I'll bet parts alone in the $700-$800 range and no idea what install at the dealer would be - a few hours for sure. So the moco sure saved themselves some bucks here (they didn't lower the price of the bikes, lol) and assured themselves a nice big fat ticket for those who do want a CB. Way to go moco, not!
I spoke to a service writer at the first dealer and the service manager at the second. As best I can determine there is no provision for valve adjustment other than the hydraulic lifter which operates a single pushrod which actuates a crows foot/bridged rocker arm controlling two valves. The service manager was at the dealer show and reported that the moco said the rockers would 'wear in' and the adjustment synchronize between the valves over time. Huh? :nixweiss:
Test ride impressions of the 2017 Limited:
Motor was smooth and quiet. Fortunately I've not had a problem with valve clatter on my 2012 (well I am hard of hearing, lol) so I really could not tell any difference here. Motor was strong and from the short distance I was able to ride seems to pull as well as my '12 110" which is also bone stock. The test ride was not all that long but no complaints about the heat from the motor and it was a hot day - 90 degrees. So no complaints here at all.
I like the narrow primary as the older style is so intrusive - and hot should your calf touch it when backing up!
Suspension: it has been so long since I've ridden a stock Harley I don't actually recall how bad they were but the '17 is very nice. I purposely hit several bumps and imperfections in the road surface when I could find them and have no complaints about the suspension. But honestly it does not seem any better that my '12 with the Premium Ride Cartridges up front and the Legend Aeros on the rear.
Clutch & tranny: Here is where I found some objection. The clutch performed just fine and I did not notice 'late engagement' - well not later than on my '12 anyway. What I did notice was increased effort to pull the clutch in. Not really that noticeable when shifting but when stopped at a light it is definitely stiffer than the other hydraulics I've had - '06; '07; '11 and '12 - so I'm not stranger to hydraulic clutches. It wasn't bad, just stiffer.
But the tranny had a odd characteristic. I didn't notice the first gear clunk but when shifting up or down there is definitely a loud, distinct, noticeable clunk for lack of a better description. There was no clashing, metallic noise or other disconcerting sound - just a noticeable clunk with each shift. And after a while I noticed that with the clunk I could actually feel it in the clutch lever - slight but it was there. Don't know if it was an anomaly but the escort rider (yes they had to escort me on the test ride) was on a '17 Street Glide and when I mentioned this he said his bike made the clunk also but he had not noticed anything in the lever. Strange but definitely there.
So overall if I were in the market for a new bike I would definitely seriously consider a '17 (CVO of course!). But since I have no pressing reason to trade I plan to keep my '12 cuse7. I just don't see enough improvement to dump $000 on a trade and with 63.5k on mine's clock and now five model years old the difference to trade would be significant - $20 or more I'm sure, probably a few thou more. Not worth it to me.
Thanks follow the great work write up. Do you want u mind sharing how many miles you've ridden ur '12 CVO?
Sure. 63,500.
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer. Here is what I learned and my observations:
Thanks for the great report... Now I finally have a definitive answer on the CB's for 2017, plus a whole lot more info on the bikes.
Thanks again. :2vrolijk_21:
Jerry, he meant all together. Not just this summer.
Sure. 63,500.
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Can't wait for the first post saying the new ones are too quiet and have no soul, transmission is too smooth and I miss the clunk that let me know I was in gear, etc. lol
couldn't find a 114 in my area but did start up a 107 was shocked that there was no clunk goin into gearsHow do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????
don't know what id do if I didn't hear the rattling of my 110 when riding :huepfenlol2:
look forward to checking out a cvo streetglide when I can find one
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.
If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)
How do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????
Tough feces. The bumping, bucking, shaking (and thereby noise inducing), emissions spewing, loud exhaust, other-driver-and-neighborhood-annoying, unreliable, antiquated crap is illegal. Even more for you than for us here in the US with the Euro standards deploying over the next two years.
How do you know you are in gear if you can't hear the clunk??????
Because I took off
We are all different.
Anyone hear of a cvo street glide at a dealer in Michigan let me know
Thanks Terry
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Tough feces. The bumping, bucking, shaking (and thereby noise inducing), emissions spewing, loud exhaust, other-driver-and-neighborhood-annoying, unreliable, antiquated crap is illegal. Even more for you than for us here in the US with the Euro standards deploying over the next two years. Get over it. Harley is the only engine manufacturer except for lawn mower engines that hasn't effectively modernized. Saying you want to ride the second cousin to a Cub Cadet because it reminds us of our youth is stupid.
I want a reliable, good (not annoying--good) sounding platform with a good visual appeal that is effective at what it does, runs well and does its job at or better than contemporary standards while meeting those goals. Harley has (yet) really proven to be able to do that. So, maybe, now they've made a step away from your Cub Cadet.
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.
If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)
Don't get too happy with yourself thinking Harley's will soon be quiet. Harley's are all about nostalgia and that's a good thing. Anyone thinking or wishing otherwise is probably better off riding a different brand. The old versions were also relatively quiet out of the crate. The bikes that seem to bother you are the one's modified by their owners.
You're really misguided if you think US Harley owners aren't already breaking down their '17 touring bikes as I write this post. You can count on faster, more powerful and MUCH LOUDER pipes coming to a neighborhood near you just as soon as the aftermarket performance builders break these bikes down and rebuild them to the tastes of their owners. Count on it.
Is possible for HD to design a motor that'll make power like their competitors and put it into a touring bike? The Ducati XDiavail makes 162 hp with just over 1200 cc...
Supershooter
Mistaken to think happy has anything to do with it. And Harley is not all about nostalgia. Harley has hidden behind nostalgia to keep from having to spend the money to get good for a very long time. We can like what they are and the company could modernize and reminisce all the same time. It is expensive to do that well. That's what the company has avoided and we as a consumer base allowed them to do. Partly to justify our own unwillingness to adapt and partly just because change isn't always pleasant.
Even this much heralded aftermarket you speak of doesn't produce the things it used to. Loud pipes are not what they once were. Granted the guy working at home can and will do things no manufacturer would ever condone, even Harley. Yes there will always be holdouts. Outliers and luddites are not what will allow a company to continue though. If we really want a Harley to be there for our children and grandchildren, so that they too can enjoy the shadow of themselves riding before them as the sun sets behind them, we had best hope Mother Harley is beginning to find a way to conform, produce reliability and do all this in a way that meets both modern and regulatory standards.
The company is not a niche. It cannot continue to live a generation or two or sometimes even three behind. That also means that we as a riding community can't either. I don't have to want to ride a Goldwing or some other metric Cruiser to know that Harley has to find a way to still be good relative to our standards and be much better than it has been as a manufacturer. They don't get a pass just because I'm unwilling to say I'm a cranky old fart who can't accept that sacrificial oiling and exhaust that wakes the neighbors are ok just because I want them to be.
I agree with everything you said but unfortunately Harley is being limited by 2 major factors. 1) Consumers that want the aesthetics and visual/sound cues of the past combined with quality and performance PLUS 2) Ever higher emissions standards by Governments. Unfortunately those 2 factors are in direct conflict as the aesthetics and sounds of a Harley V-Twin have a hard bump up against Gov emission standards resulting in the somewhat compromised bikes we ride. Even these latest bikes, with all their impressive improvements, are heavily compromised with only 80hp/100ft-lbs from 107ci and 90hp/110tq from 114ci.
But I give the MoCo huge kudos because they gave future HD bike owners an incredible canvas to work on. And I believe that the aftermarket guys will be able to perform magic with the performance of these 4 valve engines, even though that magic will probably never meet the latest gov standards.
We don't disagree at all there. As incremental a step as this is it does at least seem to be a step in the direction of where they'll have to go with a somewhat lesser grasp on where they've been. I just don't believe that good engineers, tasked the right way and funded accordingly, couldn't make something that could live in today's and tomorrow's world while still at least moderately satisfying the aesthetic they've taught us (and we have to admit that's the way it's been over the years) to appreciate.
Regs are regs. We have to live with rules everywhere. So we just have to suck it up and know that some of the things we've gotten used to being able to have (or at least get by with because no one looked hard enough) simply won't fly a lot longer. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. Modern engineering (not 20-25 year standards or systems that are simply new to us rather than actually new) can do amazing things. Chevy made a Camaro and Dodge made a Challenger that generally pleased the lover of what came before and still satisfied modern (and much more stringent automotive) requirements.
To give Harley a pass and say they can't be better than they have been at least in part because I love the "nostalgia" of what they were is just lazy. I want the whole enchilada. They need to build to contemporary standards of reliability, capability and performance and meet my design aesthetics.
Just because it may be difficult isn't an excuse. After all, it wouldn't be as difficult now if they hadn't waited so long to start trying to catch up. Our "tastes" will change over time as well. They'll have to. If the company does it right we won't notice as much and the pain will be minimal. Sooner rather than later we'll all be dead anyway and their market really will be someone who requires NOW what we're only beginning to see on the road ahead of us.
Just stopped at my local dealer, they said MoCo is cutting overall production by 11,000 cycles this year, and CVOs would be cut by a bigger percentage to bring back "exclusivity". I doubt the CVO reduction stands, as they make the largest profits on them.
Anyone seen MY16 CVO production totals yet?
They're cutting CVO production because of lagging sales. Does anyone really think the suits sat around a boardroom and said "we could sell a lot of CVOs, but we're going to cut production to make them more exclusive, even though that'll reduce total company profit."
I want a motorcycle, not a turbine or electric "motor"cycle.
If I wanted smooth power, with no clunks, vibration, rattles or sound, i would have bought a ...ing Gold wing.
(Or a metric cruiser for a 1/3 of the money)
:2vrolijk_21:
It seems like every dealer in the country has leftover CVO's, and I've read reports of people buying them for as much as $6k under MSRP long before the 2017's were introduced. I have no doubt that the production cut that was reported is due to lower demand, and not some desire to regain the old "exclusivity". Notice they didn't say they were going to go back to assembling them off-line with two to four person teams like they did back in the more "exclusive" days.
Jerry
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best. Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here... HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace. Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B. Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so. My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing. Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile. One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings. They work. Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do. And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on. Later.
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best. Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here... HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace. Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B. Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so. My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing. Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile. One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings. They work. Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do. And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on. Later.Well said spook120 :pepper:
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best. Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here... HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace. Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B. Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so. My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing. Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile. One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings. They work. Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do. And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on. Later.
I think I must be cranky this AM but some of the responses are interesting at best. Guys, you know we are talking about a toy here... HD is not inventing the cure for leprosy or preventing world peace. Face it, a motorcycle is a luxury item that we buy to have fun with and in some cases get from point A to point B. Like most on this board I have owned many bikes over the years. Most have been HD brand...I think my count is up to 11 or so. My point is I see folks getting upset over a rather silly thing...a piece of machinery. As someone said, if you don't like what HD is selling...don't buy the bloody thing. Go get a BMW, or Honda, or an older HD if that is what makes you smile. One grows weary of the constant discussion of the short comings of the HD offerings. They work. Are they perfect, hell no, but then again it is just a toy...a hobby...a diversion...Life goes on no matter what HD does or doesn't do. And now I will be quiet and my flame suit on. Later.
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.
What happens here, my opinion, and on other forums is: Somebody has a bike they have just spent $xxxx.xx on customizing, & that bike is 1-5 (or more years old). To them,it is the best bike out there. Therefore,any new bike, in this case a 2017 Harley, is of little interest to them. The colors, features, improvements, etc. don't matter. Why? They are not in the market for a bike, they like the one they are on. Also, they could be in a financial position not conducive to a trade. some of these folks bitch about the new bikes, because they can.
Then you have the constant biatchers. HD is bad, the bikes are lousy, all stuff HD does is crap, yadda yadda. The cloud of HD impending doom follows them on their posts. And even that is the MOCOs fault. Could call it "Harley Derangement Syndrome". They have had a bike with problems invariably. Others wonder why in hell they don't just sell that HD and buy something else. BTW, I know plenty of people with "something else". Recalls, part failures, service department issues, unreliability - yep, HD does not have the market cornered on that, it is spread across MC bike brands. Somebrands are better, others worse, it is subjective as well as situational.
Also there are kool aid drinkers who don't see anything wrong with Harley. Love Harley long time, very happy with the MoCo, you just shut the hell up complaining. Fewer of them these days though. HD ownership for a long enough time will take care of that.
Others have older bikes (or newer bikes) and are looking to maybe trade for a 2017, for a wide variety of reasons. The criticisms when legit can be helpful to these potential buyers, pointing out real issues or valid potential ones. Trick is to weed out the good stuff from the static. And some days, there is a lot of static...
Does Harley have room for improvement? Of course it does. Service levels are a cost of doing business. Have never seen any company at 100% service level, cost becomes too great. Theory is should be as close as possible though. If service is bad a company gets a bad reputation and goodwill goes away. Hard to ever recover that, cost then is even greater. My opinion is bike part failures, reliability factors, service, and other similar issues are all costs of HD doing business that they have addressed. Sometimes for the better, other times not. The proof of the pudding is how well a company responds to and handles failures that are problems for their customers. That's what counts.
A long way of my saying, if it was as bad as I read it is sometimes, or if I felt the same way, HD ownership would become a passing memory not a current reality. Not the way I see it, therefore, it abides.
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.
If we got to explain, they won't understand. :drink:Every morning I wake up a go for a ride it's a great day.
How's things treating ya these days? Better yet how's yer FLTRSE3 treating ya? I'm right at 50k on mine, gonna do a freshen up on the motor soon. Times are tough, I'm down to one bike, something will come along that catches my eye.
Got a rode trip coming up soon, I think she'll make it. Come out and ride with us sometime.
TN
Understood, however you want an honest product for your money; you don't expect to be the uncompensated Research and Development Team of Harley Davidson as was the case with the suckers, which I was one, that purchased a first year production motor, yes the infamous 110 in 2006; too many of us know how that turned out. That being said, and 5 crate motors from the Motor Company later within 15 months during the inception of the 110, I would be very hard pressed to dive right in and touch a brand new Harley build merely on their word. Call it my experience, Harley's history whatever, yes they stood behind it, but when the bikes in the shop I am not riding it, and that my friend they call down time.
So I made it to the motor plant in KC Saturday and got to ride a 17 CVO ulrta, it was the green one so no comment other than its not to bad looking also seen the black/red & black/orange SG the B/O the better looking imo. It was only a 15 mile ride a lill city, twisty, interstate course, the motor was quite only sound(s) was from intake, I flog it pretty good, power Gose flat about 4K but your moving, was hitting 90 to 100 in forth gear and was smooth, getting on the interstate got run thru the gears against two others an dynas and was able to pull them and I was two up. I don't ride a bat wing and probly never own one, stating this cause the buffeting was bad so it took my attention away from the suspension evaluation at speed, but felt good at lower speeds. That my take on the new...now I hope 18 will have a cvo RG and the new 114 holds up
I posted my Harley experience with a Harley first year production engine 2006; wasn't thrilled to say the least, however, what would I do if my current ride was no more due to catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair? I have to ride. I would go Harley, (I never said they didn't stand behind their product) I would go big, I'm not liking the color schemes on the Ultra's, so someone is going to have to blindfold me and put me on an Ultra to test ride and ultimately buy. Why, because, I buy Harley motorcycles. Would I regret it, probably, if history dare repeats itself, however, imagine the information gained by the members of this fine Group. Again, be advised this is only if catastrophic / cost effective issues beyond repair were to afflict my current 2009 FLTRSE3 with 83314 miles.
The softail and CVO line with 103 and 110 must change for europe from january 2017.
Twin Cam was authorize for selling in 2016, but no more on 2017 !
What is you opinion ? New line in january ?
Getting the rules for a test ride....so I could break them properly
From europ news...
No more Ktm Superduke 1290, Honda cbr600, hayabusa,etc, v-max... From january 2017 and Euro 4 in Europe (companies were authorized to sell Euro 3 in 2016, but no more in 2017 ! )
That's why the oil and/or water cooled 8 valves is absolutly necessary to Harley...
Examples:
Cbr600:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/june/honda-cbr600rr-killed-off/)
Yamaha:
http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html (http://www.moto-station.com/article110168-yamaha-euro-4-les-motos-qui-vont-disparaitre-partir-de-2017.html)
Man that thing is ugly. But I'm sure some will like it.
With KTM being Austrian you'd think they either have or will soon have a solution.
DH
So I made it to the motor plant in KC Saturday and got to ride a 17 CVO ulrta, it was the green one so no comment other than its not to bad looking also seen the black/red & black/orange SG the B/O the better looking imo. It was only a 15 mile ride a lill city, twisty, interstate course, the motor was quite only sound(s) was from intake, I flog it pretty good, power Gose flat about 4K but your moving, was hitting 90 to 100 in forth gear and was smooth, getting on the interstate got run thru the gears against two others an dynas and was able to pull them and I was two up. I don't ride a bat wing and probly never own one, stating this cause the buffeting was bad so it took my attention away from the suspension evaluation at speed, but felt good at lower speeds. That my take on the new...now I hope 18 will have a cvo RG and the new 114 holds up
That green sure sucks...
Come-on, ya know ya want one..... :mango: :cucumber: :pineapple: :huepfenlol2:
Man that thing is ugly. But I'm sure some will like it.
That green sure sucks...
Why so much hatred against my green bike brothers? :nixweiss:
Kermit green is way better than baby poop green.
Kermit green is way better than baby poop green.
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....
Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?
Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:
Don't know if anyone saw this or mentioned it yet..........
There is apparently parts and accessories available to change the "OK" for the oil pressure (infotainment screen) to the actual pressure reading, go figure! :coolblue:
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....
Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?
Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:
Kermit.
Me too, hurricanes a-coming & beer is already re-stocked.
Sorry. Kermit is already taken.
So, we need a new nickname for this new "baby/chicken poop green" CVO....
Pampers?
Peas no carrots?
Baby Huey?
Slimer?
Fog Horn/Leg Horn?
Yes, I'm bored this morning.... :cucumber:
They say geniuses choose green so I must not be very smart...
I have a 163 IQ and I generally despise green vehicles. (The exception would be the Kryptonite 2011 SESG.)
Went to two dealerships today to check out the 17s and got to test ride one at the second dealer. Here is what I learned and my observations:
Just the facts ma'am, not good nor bad:
The Limiteds (both CVO and non-CVO) are water cooled; all others are oil cooled. The water cooled bikes have no oil cooler but do have a huge ugly plastic shield (for lack of a better description) where the oil cooler would be. Don't know why. :nixweiss:
Saddlebag latches are bolts with a wing so you do not need a wrench to remove/install.
The adjustable shocks have the adjustment on the left shock only. The right shock has no adjustment. I think it preferable to put the adjuster on the right side as you have to remove the saddlebag mounting bolts and at least tilt the bag away from the bike to access the adjuster. On the left side gravity works against you making it more difficult to hold the lose bag and since the bike is leaning on that side more difficult to see the adjuster. I would prefer it on the right side.
As previously reported no CB standard on any model save the CVO Limited. If you want a CB on any other model be prepared to dump some for the CB module, antenna, switch pack, PTT button, wiring harness, etc. I've not thoroughly researched it but I'll bet parts alone in the $700-$800 range and no idea what install at the dealer would be - a few hours for sure. So the moco sure saved themselves some bucks here (they didn't lower the price of the bikes, lol) and assured themselves a nice big fat ticket for those who do want a CB. Way to go moco, not!
I spoke to a service writer at the first dealer and the service manager at the second. As best I can determine there is no provision for valve adjustment other than the hydraulic lifter which operates a single pushrod which actuates a crows foot/bridged rocker arm controlling two valves. The service manager was at the dealer show and reported that the moco said the rockers would 'wear in' and the adjustment synchronize between the valves over time. Huh? :nixweiss:
Test ride impressions of the 2017 Limited:
Motor was smooth and quiet. Fortunately I've not had a problem with valve clatter on my 2012 (well I am hard of hearing, lol) so I really could not tell any difference here. Motor was strong and from the short distance I was able to ride seems to pull as well as my '12 110" which is also bone stock. The test ride was not all that long but no complaints about the heat from the motor and it was a hot day - 90 degrees. So no complaints here at all.
I like the narrow primary as the older style is so intrusive - and hot should your calf touch it when backing up!
Suspension: it has been so long since I've ridden a stock Harley I don't actually recall how bad they were but the '17 is very nice. I purposely hit several bumps and imperfections in the road surface when I could find them and have no complaints about the suspension. But honestly it does not seem any better that my '12 with the Premium Ride Cartridges up front and the Legend Aeros on the rear.
Clutch & tranny: Here is where I found some objection. The clutch performed just fine and I did not notice 'late engagement' - well not later than on my '12 anyway. What I did notice was increased effort to pull the clutch in. Not really that noticeable when shifting but when stopped at a light it is definitely stiffer than the other hydraulics I've had - '06; '07; '11 and '12 - so I'm not stranger to hydraulic clutches. It wasn't bad, just stiffer.
But the tranny had a odd characteristic. I didn't notice the first gear clunk but when shifting up or down there is definitely a loud, distinct, noticeable clunk for lack of a better description. There was no clashing, metallic noise or other disconcerting sound - just a noticeable clunk with each shift. And after a while I noticed that with the clunk I could actually feel it in the clutch lever - slight but it was there. Don't know if it was an anomaly but the escort rider (yes they had to escort me on the test ride) was on a '17 Street Glide and when I mentioned this he said his bike made the clunk also but he had not noticed anything in the lever. Strange but definitely there.
So overall if I were in the market for a new bike I would definitely seriously consider a '17 (CVO of course!). But since I have no pressing reason to trade I plan to keep my '12 cuse7. I just don't see enough improvement to dump $000 on a trade and with 63.5k on mine's clock and now five model years old the difference to trade would be significant - $20 or more I'm sure, probably a few thou more. Not worth it to me.
It is so interesting to hear all of the complaining that goes on in this forum about HD. I have owned over 20 bikes, from my Norton 850 Commando to my current bikes; a 2012 Triumph Thunderbird, 2013 Victory Vegas, 2014 HD RK CVO and a 2012 Vespa 300 GTi. I enjoy all of the bikes and each one is a comprimise as almost all things are. I totally enjoy my HD. But I do not understand why anyone that despises a product or complains about a product as often as some do on this forum about HD, bother to even read the forum or spend time on a forum about a bike they so dislike. If you do not like Harleys, simply buy the bike you do like, vote with your wallet, rather than trying to convince others how poor their preferred bike is. In the end Harley is overwhelmingly dominant in the large displacement Motorcycle segment in the US. I often travel aboard, (I am writing this in Munich, Germany), and I do not see another brand that has the world wide cache of Harley Davidson. People all over Europe wear and own or carry Harley logo merchandise, HD seems to be a wonderful US ambassador and something in the US that the rest of the world admires.
I applaud HD for what appears to be a fine engine, although the verdict will take the test of time. I have enjoyed all 11 Harleys I have owned, as well as the Yamahas, BMW, Honda, and Kawis I have owned. ALL have flaws, as does almost everything else I own. But really, if some dislike HD so much, buy something you will enjoy and join those forums to tell them how much you enjoy them.
I have a 163 IQ and I generally despise green vehicles. (The exception would be the Kryptonite 2011 SESG.)
How many languages do you speak?
I can't even spell IQ. That's why I went into accounting. :cucumber:
I can't even spell IQ. That's why I went into accounting. :cucumber:
Stopped by my local dealer to pick up some parts and while there I was able to check out a '17 CVO limited in red, very nice looking bike. Sounds very quite at idle in regards to valve train noise compared to my '11.5.One of the reasons I don't test ride (or ride other people's bikes <especially if they are faster>) it always end up costing me. Last time I rode a friends bike was in '03 and it was a SERK.... when I finished that ride I/we went straight to a dealer so I could find out what CVO's were coming out in '04. :shocked2:
I was offered a test ride, but I was afraid it would get real expensive, real fast....
Am I the only one who thinks the rockers are reminiscent of a shovel and the cam cover/lower end a Evo???
Maybe it's just me. But HD may have gotten this one right....
Why so much hatred against my green bike brothers? :nixweiss:
Jody says the one he rode is awesome! Takes a lot for him to brag on anything, too. Said the tranny was smooth as silk, with no more clunkin' in first, due to some type of scissor gear or some chit, and the 54" front end as opposed to the 49", was a huge improvement in handling. He was also impressed with the power, and the quietness of the Motor, and how much cooler it ran. Just have to wait and see about the longevity. I hope it's a big success. Later--HUBBARD
How many languages do you speak?
I can't even spell IQ. That's why I went into accounting. :cucumber:
Stopped by Cincinnati HD today and saw all the 2016 models posted with signs showing full 10% off MSRP, including 2016 red/gray CVO Road Glide Ultra. Haven't see that much sale pricing with blatent signs in quite a while.
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.
Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.No kidding. With the revamped new and improved assembly line they did a few years ago, they're cranking out something like 300 bikes an hour at the York plant alone. 300 bikes x 10 hours x 4 days a week = 12,000 bikes a week.
Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
prime examples of the diverse crowd we have here. :2vrolijk_21:Do you have a link?
The 2017 MY technical document has allot of info for those who are interested. I haven't seen it in PDF format yet. :orange:
TN
I do not ever recall seeing that type of discounting before, but then I don't get out much.I don't think that was all that purposeful. They got past the AFM phase and came out with the EVO then the Twinkie and the boomers got real interested and started buying lots more than they were capable of producing. So they upped production. Now they have to make that investment pay for itself and purposefully letting it sit idle to reduce production is not what they will be doing in my opinion. Any production decrease will be because of less demand. :2vrolijk_21:
Would love to see the MoCo decrease production and create some serious demand for bikes both new and used, kind of like the old days.
I don't think that was all that purposeful. They got past the AFM phase and came out with the EVO then the Twinkie and the boomers got real interested and started buying lots more than they were capable of producing. So they upped production. Now they have to make that investment pay for itself and purposefully letting it sit idle to reduce production is not what they will be doing in my opinion. Any production decrease will be because of less demand. :2vrolijk_21:
Did anyone see the new cvo's at the Milwaukee ralley.? Heard they were on display at the museum. If anyone has real sesg photos of the 2017 please post
I saw the 2017 CVO breakout and they still have the 110 motor :nixweiss: whats the story behind that ???
This is a pretty good video. It shows all four colors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE-IcPHr6D4
They still have the cigarette lighter?
They still have the cigarette lighter?Nope, they did away with them in either '14 or '15 and replaced them with a higher amp power port. When I bought my '15, I promptly replaced that power port with a cigarette lighter.
At least the 2017 is not directing crank case venting directly to the throttle body. :bananarock:
TN
I don't claim to be smart....but why would you want your "overfilled engine oil" routed through the transmission (case)?
I may delete this post when someone informs me of my lack of brain cells. Trust me, it's happened in the past!!
I don't claim to be smart....but why would you want your "overfilled engine oil" routed through the transmission (case)?
I may delete this post when someone informs me of my lack of brain cells. Trust me, it's happened in the past!!
Trust me, you are right on the money. The comment in that article makes no sense. The best I can figure is that someone either mixed up the information on the breather system with the information on the oil cooled head system, or they were just making stuff up on the fly after looking at that hose that runs from the rear head down toward the trans on the so-called oil cooled model. Harley can't dump any excess oil into the trans, since that would overfill the trans. They can't dump the crankcase fumes into the trans, because the trans is vented to atmosphere and it would be illegal to use that vent to dump crankcase emissions to the atmosphere. If there has been any improvement in oil carryover to the air cleaner, it would have to come from improved oil separators in the breather system.
Jerry
I’ve never claimed to be the smartest man in the room myself. I do see where they have re-engineered the breathers in the rocker box, took them long enough. Maybe some HD employee reading this could chime in, or will he? Previously you could’t fill the crankcase to the full mark without oil dribbling out on the a/c, in my real world experience.
I won’t have to worry about it, I’ll continue to run mine 1/2 quart low and vent to the atmosphere. Got to use up my carbon credits somehow.
Cheers
TN
My bikes prefer to vent to the atmosphere also. It helps increase the Global Warming, each of us should do our part.Many scientists point out that Sun will probably have big decrease in sunspot activity, which will mean less heat coming to Earth. I can hear the Global Warmists now: "Yeah, human CO2 caused global warming, which caused the global cooling...just like we said it would."
:drink:
Took a test ride on a 2017 last week to compare it to my 2016 CVO. Biggest impression is the lack of mechanical engine noise and smooth idle - definitely an improvement. Power, however, was about the same as my 110 (my 110 was dynoed after an exhaust change, so I'm getting a little more oomph there). No change in temperature - my 2016 is a cool running motor, far cooler than my 2008 CVO was. Oddly enough, the cooling fans ran on the 2017 where my 2016 fans rarely ever run.
Suspension felt no different and handling was the same feel as my 2016.
My biggest concern is HD's record for having problems with the first year motors. EVOs had leaky cylinder base gaskets, Twinkies had cam bearing failures, the 110s had head gasket issues in the 2007 model year. So, I'm staying away from them till at least 2018. At besides, I have a 2016 that has had zero problems in its first 9000 miles. And, I don't care for the colors on the 2017s.
Luckily I have the most reliable, blah, blah, blah. :oops:
I just replaced the noisy lifters and cam in my 22K mile 2015 CVO. So much for reliable. At least I wasn't on the road in BFE or some other gosh darn freakin place.
So...I guess my new M8 doesn't have a high bar to exceed, eh? You definitely need 2 H-Ds to be on the road constantly.
I just replaced the noisy lifters and cam in my 22K mile 2015 CVO. So much for reliable. At least I wasn't on the road in BFE or some other gosh darn freakin place.Hate to dispel your theory, I had a 2007 CVO and a 2009 CVO at the same time both were in the shop and I was riding my 1998 Honda Valkyrie. However, most of the blame goes toward the 2007 CVO due to the fact it was always in the shop First production year of the 110 and the 2009 CVO was in the shop for a recall for 3 days.
So...I guess my new M8 doesn't have a high bar to exceed, eh? You definitely need 2 H-Ds to be on the road constantly.