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[Rooster]

I had just left Nelson Canada GTG when my first head gasket/base gasket started leaking and I had spent $$$ at the Dealer just before leaving on the trip so they had installed the first head gasket with the part number I got from this site amongst headwork cams etc. and tune. The dealer didn't have the part number yet.

[sadunbar]

I had just left Nelson Canada GTG when my first head gasket/base gasket started leaking and I had spent $$$ at the Dealer just before leaving on the trip so they had installed the first head gasket with the part number I got from this site amongst headwork cams etc. and tune. The dealer didn't have the part number yet.

I had lifters get so noisy once on a long trip that I installed new lifters in the parking lot of a hotel in Jackson, Wyoming.  They were new when we left home and we were about 6000 miles into a trip.  Pump up was taking forever and the rattle was driving me nuts.  Gotta love it, right??   

[Gerhard]

Not to side rail this thread, but Gerhard, how old does a motorcycle have to be to be excluded from the new noise rules?

In some states here if the bike is older than say, 30 years, it's does not have to comply with current noise rules and can legally run just about any exhaust system without penalty.

Thanks.

Hi Dan,

that differs from year to year. Generally spoken, the older, the louder. It is correlated to the date and then valid regulations, when it got its first traffic allowance from the european authorities. Old Triumphs, Panheads, MV´s etc. can be operated really loud.

But: the biggest leap "into the silence" is happening right now, with the new restrictions for the oncoming 2017. We then will have here in Europe new, restrictive emission regulations, the so called "Euro6", that will castrate the pipes too. Just have a look at the J&H or V&H-websites for european customers - that´s why these enterprises developed this fancy electronically controlled exhaust-systems, to meet the new european test cycles. My FLHXSE has still the stock pipes, and if you open the throttle - they are really loud. Stock! I think this will differ a little next year. And maybe its getting worse (= even more silent). What is bad for new customers - cause a bike, especially a Harley - HAS to be heard ;-) and, well, better for people who are looking for a "new old" bike. For riding or tuning reasons.
And yes, you´re right, also in Europe the so called "Oldtimer-status" is from 30 years on. Then its gettin´ really loud ;-)))

regards, Gerhard.

[Dan_Lockwood]

Hi Dan,

that differs from year to year. Generally spoken, the older, the louder. It is correlated to the date and then valid regulations, when it got its first traffic allowance from the european authorities. Old Triumphs, Panheads, MV´s etc. can be operated really loud.

But: the biggest leap "into the silence" is happening right now, with the new restrictions for the oncoming 2017. We then will have here in Europe new, restrictive emission regulations, the so called "Euro6", that will castrate the pipes too. Just have a look at the J&H or V&H-websites for european customers - that´s why these enterprises developed this fancy electronically controlled exhaust-systems, to meet the new european test cycles. My FLHXSE has still the stock pipes, and if you open the throttle - they are really loud. Stock! I think this will differ a little next year. And maybe its getting worse (= even more silent). What is bad for new customers - cause a bike, especially a Harley - HAS to be heard ;-) and, well, better for people who are looking for a "new old" bike. For riding or tuning reasons.
And yes, you´re right, also in Europe the so called "Oldtimer-status" is from 30 years on. Then its gettin´ really loud ;-)))

regards, Gerhard.

Gerhard,  Thanks...

So if I'm looking to sell my '76 FLH shovelhead with probably not noise restrictions, the UK or European markets may be a good market to advertise in.

Just thinking out loud.

Are there UK Harley For Sale sites that you know of that I might give it a go in?

Good luck with the '17 restrictions.

Thanks again and have a great day.

[Cat Eye]

I'm thinking for 2017 bigger engine with 4 spark plugs....2 per cylinder

[Gerhard]

Gerhard,  Thanks...

So if I'm looking to sell my '76 FLH shovelhead with probably not noise restrictions, the UK or European markets may be a good market to advertise in.

Just thinking out loud.

Are there UK Harley For Sale sites that you know of that I might give it a go in?

Good luck with the '17 restrictions.

Thanks again and have a great day.

thx Dan - according the sites, there are many, try the net; & here are some (including dealers):

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/harley-davidson/

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/harley-davidson?gclid=CPONtYnwqc4CFRYTGwod-GgLsQ&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJ2O3Inwqc4CFe8R0wodZ4QFog

http://www.warrs.com/?gclid=COO2p5jwqc4CFQxmGwodZp0A6A

http://www.lakesideharley-davidson.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes.htm

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list/3316/motorcycles.html?keyword=harley+davidson

thumbs up, Gerhard.

[Dan_Lockwood]

thx Dan - according the sites, there are many, try the net; & here are some (including dealers):

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/harley-davidson/

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/bikes/motorcycles/harley-davidson?gclid=CPONtYnwqc4CFRYTGwod-GgLsQ&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJ2O3Inwqc4CFe8R0wodZ4QFog

http://www.warrs.com/?gclid=COO2p5jwqc4CFQxmGwodZp0A6A

http://www.lakesideharley-davidson.co.uk/pages/used/used-bikes.htm

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/list/3316/motorcycles.html?keyword=harley+davidson

thumbs up, Gerhard.

Gerhard,

Thanks a lot for the list of sites.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program, thread that is.

[fastfreddy]

now the aftermarket people can get back to work,   

[bbrown]

KEEP AN EYE ON THIS WEB SITE THIS WEEK

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php?so=0
It will be our first signal about the models and engines. 

[bbrown]

For when they finally list the 2017 models you may find this helpful.  (thanks Jerry)

( 1 in3  =  16.3871 cc )

107 in3  =  1753 cc
114 in3  =  1868 cc
117 in3  =  1917 cc
120 in3  =  1966 cc
131 in3  =  2147 cc
145 in3  =  2376 cc

[grc]

This will be the link for the 2017 models.  As of today, the latest update is from 8/1/2017 and it doesn't contain info from Harley yet.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php

Jerry

[grc]

This entry for Polaris is interesting.

Jerry

[iski]

2017 CARB link

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php

No 2017 HD listed as of today.

[Twolanerider]

2017 CARB link

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2017/2017.php

No 2017 HD listed as of today.

So no new models for 2017.  It sucks when there's so many 2016s left on the floor they have to skip a year.

[OBB]

This entry for Polaris is interesting.

Jerry

From what I understand, it's a GM engine that was once used in Pontiacs.