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[HarleyJeffOregon]

How Depressing. 

[SHRADER]

The reports are not entirely complete as the Softail line is missing, so it could be that there is something else in the CVO line coming as well. If you look at the "m" numbers report 50231 is not yet listed

[Heatwave]

The reports are not entirely complete as the Softail line is missing, so it could be that there is something else in the CVO line coming as well.

Here's some additional 2017 models that were CARB Certified:

FAT BOB 103
LOW RIDER 103
LOW RIDER S 110
WIDE GLIDE 103

[Heatwave]

While you may not find the new 107 or 114 in the model or color of your choice, these new engines may be pretty exciting based on the CARB power summary. For comparison, the CARB power rating for the current 110ci is 60kw or 80.5hp. The new 114 is CARB rated at 75kw or 100.6hp. That's a 25% increase in power over the existing 110 engine design.

Whether you're measure the power at the crank or the rear wheel, that's a hell of a big jump in power for 4 cubic inches. If the results on paper are realized in the seat of the new bikes, then kudos to Harley for a hell of a new engine design and a terrific starting point for upgrades.

[bbrown]

While you may not find the new 107 or 114 in the model or color of your choice, these new engines may be pretty exciting based on the CARB power summary. For comparison, the CARB power rating for the current 110ci is 60kw or 80.5hp. The new 114 is CARB rated at 75kw or 100.6hp. That's a 25% increase in power over the existing 110 engine design.

Whether you're measure the power at the crank or the rear wheel, that's a hell of a big jump in power for 4 cubic inches. If the results on paper are realized in the seat of the new bikes, then kudos to Harley for a hell of a new engine design and a terrific starting point for upgrades.

These are really impressive numbers.  The 20 HP increase is almost unbelievable !!

[Twolanerider]

These are really impressive numbers.  The 20 HP increase is almost unbelievable !!

Or....., and this would be more my take on it, the old numbers were very very underwhelming and the new numbers (if accurate in the field) are making a step toward more contemporary standards.

[FLSTFI Dave]

The numbers on the new engines look pretty good, a good power increase.

Very sad there is no SERG or SERGU.  Really was wanting a SERG with the new engine.

[OBB]

The numbers on the new engines look pretty good, a good power increase.

Very sad there is no SERG or SERGU.  Really was wanting a SERG with the new engine.

Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.

[MightyTharg]

Or....., and this would be more my take on it, the old numbers were very very underwhelming and the new numbers (if accurate in the field) are making a step toward more contemporary standards.

Yup that's my take on it.   Time is long overdue to modernise a little and gain some efficiency (losing some weight and adding more water-cooling would be good too)

Put it this way, around 1983 when BMW decided they couldn't just keep pushing out the old air cooled boxers they were criticised when their new K100RS with it's 1000cc (8v watercooled 4) motor was only pushing out 90bhp when the Japs had long since cracked 100bhp/litre - conservatism at the factory seemed to be the main reason.   The later 16v version upped power to 100bhp, they still could have gone farther.

When they launched the 1100cc oil/air cooled boxers in 1993 they also pushed out 90bhp, the 1200 motor was up around 110bhp and the later dohc motor was about the same but a bit torquier. When they adopted watercooling a couple of years ago then then pushed power to 125bhp.     

So if HD can pick up some engine efficiency with the new motors, and hopefully ditch some weight with the new chassis that is allegedly on the way for 2018 then we're looking at bikes that should perform significantly better than their predecessors without just trying to grow the motor.


 

[FLSTFI Dave]

Keep in mind that the CARB report only shows Cali approved models at this point. They don't have any soft tail models either yet.

While I agree on the soft tail models not on there yet.  I would think that a SERG or SERGU would have been tested with the SESG.  So I will be really surprised if there is a SERG.  I would also be happy if there is one.

[Royalroadie]

I just saw some HP power ratings on the new motors.  According to the new numbers they produce more horse power but I am sceptical that they are going to have an increase in TQ.

[Grizzly]

It's now 8:30am EST 8/23/16, and still no news on 17's. 



 

[WYD OPN]

There are some preliminaries in the session this morning before the unveil.

[Heatwave]

I just saw some HP power ratings on the new motors.  According to the new numbers they produce more horse power but I am sceptical that they are going to have an increase in TQ.

The new 114 has 25% more hp (100.6hp) vs the current 110 (80.6hp) according to the CARB report. That's a helluva nice jump in power for a stock engine. I'm guessing the new 114 has  TQ above 115 ft-lbs

[JMK]

124 ft lbs of torque from harley of port ritchie facebook page.