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CVO Technical => Wheels/Tires/Suspension/Brakes => Topic started by: HWYMAN1 on August 29, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
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ANother hat thrown in the ring with ride st8, true track, etc. : http://www.alloyart.com/products/txr.html
anybody tried one yet? john
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ANother hat thrown in the ring with ride st8, true track, etc. : http://www.alloyart.com/products/txr.html
anybody tried one yet? john
I have one on my SERK. I can't compare it to the others since I have never used their products. I am waiting for Twolane to check mine out and see what he thinks. Price was the main factor for purchasing this brand of stablizer. I got a real good deal on ebay, and put the left over cash towards a set of progressive 440's. :2vrolijk_21: For some reason that extra cash never goes back into my pocket. :nixweiss:
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ANother hat thrown in the ring with ride st8, true track, etc. : http://www.alloyart.com/products/txr.html
anybody tried one yet? john
I have it on my 05 SEEG. No problems with it so far. My mechanic convinced me it would make a big difference. I cannot compare it to the others. As far as I'm concerned it's a safety feature so what the heck? My mechanic said he would take it off and give me full credit if I was not happy with it. I only use the 05 for solo riding now and have not spent alot of time in the mountains on it lately so hard to tell. No downside though.
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Have one sitting in the garage since Spring Daytona. Been waiting for my oil pan to come back from the chromer. Still waiting :nixweiss:
Will give a report when everything is installed. I dont think anyone has a bike that wobbles, shimmies and sways more than mine does.
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Have one sitting in the garage since Spring Daytona. Been waiting for my oil pan to come back from the chromer. Still waiting :nixweiss:
Will give a report when everything is installed. I dont think anyone has a bike that wobbles, shimmies and sways more than mine does.
Wow!!! Where is the drool emoticon when you need it. I can't wait to see that. OCD at it's finest. :2vrolijk_21: :beerchug:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Wow!!! Where is the drool emoticon when you need it. I can't wait to see that. OCD at it's finest. :2vrolijk_21: :beerchug:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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One thing I need to finish the rear is a braided rear brake line. Do you know a part number for this?
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One thing I need to finish the rear is a braided rear brake line. Do you know a part number for this?
Not off hand I'll keep my eyes open and if I find something I'll let you know.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Have one sitting in the garage since Spring Daytona. Been waiting for my oil pan to come back from the chromer. Still waiting :nixweiss:
Will give a report when everything is installed. I dont think anyone has a bike that wobbles, shimmies and sways more than mine does.
So, that's two things we have in common!
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Brian is pimping his ride again!
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One thing I need to finish the rear is a braided rear brake line. Do you know a part number for this?
Brian, there is no HD P/N for a Braided SS rear BL. They don't offer one. Goodridge makes one, and if you use PM Calipers, they supply one. ;)
Hoist! 8)
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One thing I need to finish the rear is a braided rear brake line. Do you know a part number for this?
Brian,
I've attached a parts sheet that I downloaded from Goodridge that Howie mentioned, and it will give you P/N's. Also here is the link to the website - Goodridge USA (http://www.goodridge.net/usa/index.htm). I also found that J&P Cycles carries them - Goodridge Rear Brake Line For 1997-2006 FLT, FLH (http://www.jpcycles.com/productdetail.aspx?PID=242-471&cs=Harley&GID=B45B4266-12B2-4F37-97A5-28095B785218&store=All&page=1&search=Stainless%20Steel%20Braided%20Brake%20Lines%20Rear).
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Getting it installed :cucumber: today; dealer sez he'll take it off and refund the $$ if I don't like it....
details to follow.
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I'm having TXR put on my bike this week end, also Metzeler tires hopeing for better handling. Has any one put on TXR on there bike. If so what can you tell me about it. Thanks as always.
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Got it back this PM and took off. First ride [about 25 miles] seems to show system doing what it's supposed to do. Rides more solid somehow at speed [75-85 cruising] and took a nice twisty [Box Canyon for anyone in SoCal] that I felt more comfort running at higher speeds. More lean with ease through turns I've done a couple of hundred times. Too F#$%ing hot here to ride more today. Temp hit 117 in my backyard ....
If the weather breaks I'll take a run up the coast and report.
Worth noting the theoretical difference between this and trutrack; the lit from Alloy Art says that the system is designed to TRIANGULATE the front, rear and engine. Trutrack just locks up front and rear and doesn't link to engine. Any of the engineers here have any thoughts about the differences?
I'm trying to get design explanation from Alloy Art and will post if they respond.
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Got it back this PM and took off. First ride [about 25 miles] seems to show system doing what it's supposed to do. Rides more solid somehow at speed [75-85 cruising] and took a nice twisty [Box Canyon for anyone in SoCal] that I felt more comfort running at higher speeds. More lean with ease through turns I've done a couple of hundred times. Too F#$%ing hot here to ride more today. Temp hit 117 in my backyard ....
If the weather breaks I'll take a run up the coast and report.
Worth noting the theoretical difference between this and trutrack; the lit from Alloy Art says that the system is designed to TRIANGULATE the front, rear and engine. Trutrack just locks up front and rear and doesn't link to engine. Any of the engineers here have any thoughts about the differences?
I'm trying to get design explanation from Alloy Art and will post if they respond.
I'm not familiar with the TXR, but it sounds like a bunch of marketing BS to me. The True-Track is a 3rd Stabilizer Link point that ties the chassis to the engine in a 3rd location. From the frame to the bottom of the transmission pan, which is connected to the engine of course. I don't know about all this triangulation stuff. But your other 2 stabilizers tie in the same way the True-Track does. You might feel more confident with it now that you did it. But you should't feel any difference with it. It's what you won't feel, the high speed wobble, that makes these work. And so far, up to 130, I've never had a bit of wobble with the True-Track. Is it the True-Track or is it the bike? I don't know. But I'm not taking mine off to find out! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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you're right, it's the absence of the tweaking rear as you go through the twisties that really makes a difference. Going out to run up to Ojai and back; we'll see what's there [or not there anymore.....]
and you're right, it's sounding like marketing BS to cover up that fact that the systems are all doing the same thing at the end of the day. Got to differenctiate themselves somehow.
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Installed the TXR; have run about 1500 miles with it on; makes a huge difference! I notice it the most through the fast twisties [Angeles Crest last weekend was a real eye opener.] Seems much more stable at cruising speeds on the freeway. It does make you notice how soft and wallowing the suspension is, so I bit the bullet and am getting the Traxxion upgrade [Thanks Hoist for the 'buy another set of legs' suggestion; Mike got right on it and I'm looking good for delivery in time to check it out on the run to Reno next weekend.]
I've attached a pic of the TXR, and for humor, a pic of the latest iteration of the trutrack. Easy to see that they operate in the same basic way, but with differences.... the trutrack bolts up solid, and the TXR has some play as you can see in the pix....
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Missed the TXR pic-here it is
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I'm not sure which is better, but just from looking at the geometry of the two, the true track looks like it is setup better to hold the sideways force of the motor/trans verses the TXR, just my opinion.
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I am in the process of deciding between the two. It appears that the TXR may have some adjustment ability in it, although the Tru-Track looks sturdier having the boxed case instead of just spacers.
Can the TXR be adjusted? If so is there a reason to need to adjust it?
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Just got off the phone with Alloy Arts; spoke with Robbie, the owner. Yes, it can be adjusted so that, if you want, it's locked down in the same way a true track is. You can also adjust so that you're not getting all of the vibration/power pulse from the engine. You might want to call them direct for a better explanation; they have also brought out a self-leveling air suspension that uses Bilstein shocks... looks promising. You get Bilstein performance with level adjustment depending on the load.
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Installed the TXR; have run about 1500 miles with it on; makes a huge difference! I notice it the most through the fast twisties [Angeles Crest last weekend was a real eye opener.] Seems much more stable at cruising speeds on the freeway. It does make you notice how soft and wallowing the suspension is, so I bit the bullet and am getting the Traxxion upgrade [Thanks Hoist for the 'buy another set of legs' suggestion; Mike got right on it and I'm looking good for delivery in time to check it out on the run to Reno next weekend.]
I've attached a pic of the TXR, and for humor, a pic of the latest iteration of the trutrack. Easy to see that they operate in the same basic way, but with differences.... the trutrack bolts up solid, and the TXR has some play as you can see in the pix....
Before anyone goes out and buys the new true track stabilizer shown here, let me give you my experience/opinion of this product. I purchased this unit two weeks ago and installed on my bike for two reasons: 1) I regularly run 100+ and take sweeping turns at 85-90, my bike is pretty solid but on occasion I will experience a little wobble so wanted to try, 2) this new unit is advertised as being designed for the bigger motors and I have a 120, I felt this was the model to use. Also purchased the cross member straightening tool as mine was a little bent and true track is very specific about the straightness of the cross member to ensure proper installation.
Once the cross member was straightened (excellent tool btw), I installed the true track per instructions. Very important everything goes together without any binding, loosely assemble on bike then tighten bolts similar to a sequence you would use to torque oil pan bolts, heads, etc. by alternating right-left-front-back. Once this was done, took a test ride. PROBLEM: this unit transmits an unacceptable level of vibration into the bike. True Track claims it will not if installed properly and of course motor mounts, swing arm bushings etc. must be good, however, these were all recently changed out (and then some) on my bike and it rides smooth as glass without the true track installed. I removed and re-installed again just to make double sure I did everything right, still too much vibration. My assessment is that the design is bad. The triangular piece does not allow the engine to "rotate" about it's axis while maintaining correct alignment. In other words there is not enough "flexibility" to absorb normal engine vibration, therefore that vibration is transmitted to the frame.
I am returning the unit and don't know if I should go the the old true track or try the alloy art. My dealer has an alloy art in stock and recommends. I will probably make a try it or return it deal just to see if these units really make a difference for the type of riding I do. As I said, bike is pretty solid without it and there are a lot of other factors that contribute to high speed wobble. I am pretty anal about maintaining my bike mechanically so if there is any doubt I change it out. We shall see.
Anyone experience vibration issues after installing one of these stabilizers?
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Pete, a couple of years or so ago a group of us bought the "other" option; the Ride Str8 device. Over three group buys there were probably 35-40 that got it. I do remember one person complaining of picking up vibration with that one also. Different piece of hardware then you're considering here. But he also had a big motor in the bike it was going to go on. He sold his to yet another member who didn't have any issues with it.
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Anyone installed this unit? Looks pretty good, looking for option's to buying True - Track or Ridestr8 for 08 Ultra.
Jim
http://www.alloyart.com/products/txr.html (http://www.alloyart.com/products/txr.html)
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There is currently a thread about this product in this board. This post/thread will be merged w/existing.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Pete-
No additional vibration from the standard True Track on mine. After the TT I added Stabo bushings and had a vibration. Removed the Stabo's and all good again (with just the std TT).
Look at the TT in Group Buys and you can purchase the std one for less than $300 ..
Bob
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I have to find something else since I have a center stand installed
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I have to find something else since I have a center stand installed
Sta-Bo bushings are designed to do the same thing. They're invisible, less expensive and won't interfere with your stand. :)
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