Post by: rayson56 on May 06, 2017, 01:04:26 PM
Post by: OBB on May 06, 2017, 07:47:06 PM
Post by: Toofast_28 on May 06, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: MIKEYTEE on May 06, 2017, 09:02:21 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: Twolanerider on May 06, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
(but only as a midyear release)
Post by: see vee oh on May 06, 2017, 11:00:04 PM
2018 CVO Servicar :drink: !!
(but only as a midyear release)
That would be pretty cool; although it appears the ServiCar is now called "freewheeler". Had the chance to see a few real Servi's at the Peterson Auto Museum.
to the OP-- I have no info, but with the popularity of the Dyna Lowrider S here out west; it would be awesome to see a CVO Dyna Low Bagger.
Post by: iski on May 06, 2017, 11:49:05 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
The all electric Harley flying drone bike will not be ready for 2018. The 2018 new bikes will look better in person than than they will look in the online pictures. Valve stem caps will be included on all new bikes at No Extra Charge.
In 2018 all tires will be filled from the factory with nitrogen; for a $39 extra service charge.
As a dealer add-on that nitrogen will be sucked out (to be re-sold later) and replaced with nitro-helium to further lighten the bike; for a further $89 extra charge (the percentage of helium will 1.903%).
Unfortunately each of these upgrades will require recalibrations ($99 service fee each time) of the TPMS because of the different properties of each gas. Also, it will cost $149 to R&R both tires and wheels to have them rebalanced since nitrogen and helium don't mix well thus leaving a (Harley technical term) thump of helium on one side of the tire that will have to be compensated for. Fortunately once the two gasses do mix they then tend to stay mixed. So only one more rebalance after 20 hours of the tires being in service and mixing the gasses through rotation will be required.
These are all new model improvements for the 2018 fleet.
Also, Harley has incorporated the blinker fluid and linked ABS systems in to one ABS/Blinker Fluid regulator pump. With this the front and rear turn signals will continue to blink evenly no matter how hard the brakes are applied. The new special Screamin' Eagle Self Cancelling Blinker Fluid will be available approximately November 2018 as a $119.95 accessory to bring the self cancelling function to the turn signals of this new and improved system (except Dyna).
Post by: cvofbme on May 07, 2017, 12:13:47 AM
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2017, 12:19:50 AM
115th Anniversary!
Does anyone REALLY believe that after putting up with ANYONE for 100 years they are still throwing a huge-ass party every five years assuming someone will buy a ticket?
Post by: Toofast_28 on May 07, 2017, 04:22:52 AM
Oh holy Willie. Just realized 2018 really will be yet another excuse for "special" anniversary models and other lame BS.
115th Anniversary!
Does anyone REALLY believe that after putting up with ANYONE for 100 years they are still throwing a huge-ass party every five years assuming someone will buy a ticket?
So what you're saying is you already have your tickets and a room booked? :huepfenjump3:
Post by: moscooter on May 07, 2017, 07:50:45 AM
If I were inclined to consider an upgrade to a new model, At this point, I'd only be looking at H.D.s for two reasons. 1. The new motor (given some positive reviews) and 2. Their vast dealer network (in case of a breakdown)................elsewise, I'd be giving some very serious consideration toward going over to the Indian camp. :drink:
Post by: LC110 on May 07, 2017, 08:10:55 AM
Post by: grc on May 07, 2017, 09:51:38 AM
I'm predicting 2 wheels on each.
Won't that make the trikes a bit tippy?
Jerry ;D
Post by: iski on May 07, 2017, 09:54:07 AM
In 2018 all tires will be filled from the factory with nitrogen; for a $39 extra service charge.
As a dealer add-on that nitrogen will be sucked out (to be re-sold later) and replaced with nitro-helium to further lighten the bike; for a further $89 extra charge (the percentage of helium will 1.903%).
Unfortunately each of these upgrades will require recalibrations ($99 service fee each time) of the TPMS because of the different properties of each gas. Also, it will cost $149 to R&R both tires and wheels to have them rebalanced since nitrogen and helium don't mix well thus leaving a (Harley technical term) thump of helium on one side of the tire that will have to be compensated for. Fortunately once the two gasses do mix they then tend to stay mixed. So only one more rebalance after 20 hours of the tires being in service and mixing the gasses through rotation will be required.
These are all new model improvements for the 2018 fleet.
Also, Harley has incorporated the blinker fluid and linked ABS systems in to one ABS/Blinker Fluid regulator pump. With this the front and rear turn signals will continue to blink evenly no matter how hard the brakes are applied. The new special Screamin' Eagle Self Cancelling Blinker Fluid will be available approximately November 2018 as a $119.95 accessory to bring the self cancelling function to the turn signals of this new and improved system (except Dyna).
Heard the new bikes will also have a longer warranty - 103 weeks, minus 1 week. My bike has gas already so will not need a 2018.
If Harley would give away a free pie with every bike purchase, they would sell more bikes.
Post by: grc on May 07, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Heard the new bikes will also have a longer warranty - 103 weeks, minus 1 week. My bike has gas already so will not need a 2018.
If Harley would give away a free pie with every bike purchase, they would sell more bikes.
Make that a free cherry pie every week for two years and even I might consider buying one. Note I said "consider".
Jerry
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2017, 10:39:22 AM
New frames & further suspension improvements for all models with M8 motor.
Pool boy?
Post by: grc on May 07, 2017, 11:16:35 AM
I assume at some point the M8 will migrate to all Touring models, then to Dyna's, then Softails. I doubt this would all happen for 2018 however. Harley doesn't have the engineering resources to handle all of that at one time.
Jerry
Post by: OBB on May 07, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
I assume at some point the M8 will migrate to all Touring models, then to Dyna's, then Softails. I doubt this would all happen for 2018 however. Harley doesn't have the engineering resources to handle all of that at one time."Doesn't have" or "won't pay for"?
Jerry
Post by: LC110 on May 07, 2017, 12:49:11 PM
Pool boy?Thought Pool Boy had passed on? I do know some :elf: that live just north of me. They may have mentioned something about reprograming the KUKA.
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2017, 01:25:04 PM
Thought Pool Boy had passed on? I do know some :elf: that live just north of me. They may have mentioned something about reprograming the KUKA.
There has been rumor of the Resurrected Pool Boy 2.0. It's kind of like Einstein's spooky connections at a distance to me. I don't understand it but I don't doubt it either!
Post by: fastfreddy on May 07, 2017, 01:32:58 PM
Post by: iski on May 07, 2017, 01:43:28 PM
Make that a free cherry pie every week for two years and even I might consider buying one. Note I said "consider".
Jerry
If they did that you would need good dental insurance, for the pits...
Post by: Twolanerider on May 07, 2017, 02:39:15 PM
i was told (by an unnamed source) the price will increase... and resale value will decrease due to new technology that is evolving daily at the HD camp. :2vrolijk_21:
The qualifier there is always that "new" by HD standards means incorporating at a beta level what the automotive industry had mainstreamed a decade ago.... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on May 07, 2017, 04:11:58 PM
The qualifier there is always that "new" by HD standards means incorporating at a beta level what the automotive industry had mainstreamed a decade ago.... :huepfenlol2:
And that my friends is why the dealerships are being taken over by automobile dealers and not motorcycle people.
Mike
:drink:
Post by: Toofast_28 on May 07, 2017, 05:32:03 PM
And that my friends is why the dealerships are being taken over by automobile dealers and not motorcycle people.
Mike
:drink:
Does this mean we should start seeing massive year end markdowns, holiday blowout sales, and everything sold at invoice? Lots of auto dealers running those ads.
Post by: CVOStreetglide on May 07, 2017, 06:06:39 PM
Does this mean we should start seeing massive year end markdowns, holiday blowout sales, and everything sold at invoice? Lots of auto dealers running those ads.
NOPE. HD has done a fairly good job of manufacturing and supply chain management over the years to avoid that issue.
I think we are seeing the market value spread as a result of the M8 introduction. The gap may narrow in a few years but it's doubtful.
Regards
Post by: Yellow09SERG on May 07, 2017, 07:00:15 PM
Won't that make the trikes a bit tippy?
Jerry ;D
Only when you stop
Post by: wrayzor on May 07, 2017, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: mark on May 07, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
Post by: 4fun on May 07, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
If they did that you would need good dental insurance, for the pits...The pits are an option and would need to be ordered separately.
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Post by: Toofast_28 on May 07, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
For 2018 I hope the guy in charge of colors finally has that eye surgery he's needed for the last couple of years. Please, no more light purple RG Ultras, no more 1980 bass boat metal flake, no more flat beige, and ditch that metallic pea green too.
Have to stick with those colors, they got a great deal buying in bulk at Costco, going to stick with it til they run out in a few years. :pineapple:
Post by: CVOStreetglide on May 08, 2017, 06:48:49 AM
Have to stick with those colors, they got a great deal buying in bulk at Costco, going to stick with it til they run out in a few years. :pineapple:
:oops: :huepfenlol2: :coolblue:
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on May 08, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
I assume at some point the M8 will migrate to all Touring models, then to Dyna's, then Softails. I doubt this would all happen for 2018 however. Harley doesn't have the engineering resources to handle all of that at one time.I'm positive your are correct on the bold, all 2017 Touring models have the M-8.....Cant imagine them going back to a twin cam on the touring models......
Jerry
Post by: harleychef2011 on May 08, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
In 2018 all tires will be filled from the factory with nitrogen; for a $39 extra service charge.
As a dealer add-on that nitrogen will be sucked out (to be re-sold later) and replaced with nitro-helium to further lighten the bike; for a further $89 extra charge (the percentage of helium will 1.903%).
Unfortunately each of these upgrades will require recalibrations ($99 service fee each time) of the TPMS because of the different properties of each gas. Also, it will cost $149 to R&R both tires and wheels to have them rebalanced since nitrogen and helium don't mix well thus leaving a (Harley technical term) thump of helium on one side of the tire that will have to be compensated for. Fortunately once the two gasses do mix they then tend to stay mixed. So only one more rebalance after 20 hours of the tires being in service and mixing the gasses through rotation will be required.
These are all new model improvements for the 2018 fleet.
Also, Harley has incorporated the blinker fluid and linked ABS systems in to one ABS/Blinker Fluid regulator pump. With this the front and rear turn signals will continue to blink evenly no matter how hard the brakes are applied. The new special Screamin' Eagle Self Cancelling Blinker Fluid will be available approximately November 2018 as a $119.95 accessory to bring the self cancelling function to the turn signals of this new and improved system (except Dyna).
Now THATS funny right there! I don't care who ya are!!! ;D
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 08, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Almost enough to make you :puke:
Post by: Grizzly on May 08, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Now THATS funny right there! I don't care who ya are!!! ;D
Right on! :2vrolijk_21:
I'm still chuckling. ;D
Post by: MIKEYTEE on May 08, 2017, 02:02:50 PM
There has been rumor of the Resurrected Pool Boy 2.0. It's kind of like Einstein's spooky connections at a distance to me. I don't understand it but I don't doubt it either!
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The Resurrected Pool Boy is back and spreading the word to all that ask. He told me that Mother Harley aka the Corporate Grurus are going to introduce the 2018 Models only when all the 2016 and 2017's are sold. Then and only then will the 2018 Models be introduced.
Mike
:drink:
Post by: ultrarider123 on May 08, 2017, 02:08:24 PM
The Resurrected Pool Boy is back and spreading the word to all that ask. He told me that Mother Harley aka the Corporate Grurus are going to introduce the 2018 Models only when all the 2016 and 2017's are sold. Then and only then will the 2018 Models be introduced.
Mike
:drink:
Hey Unc, that might not be until 2019 or 2020..... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on May 08, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
Hey Unc, that might not be until 2019 or 2020..... :huepfenlol2:
I know! But that is the scuttlebutt straight from Pool Boy II. :D
Don't tell anyone but, there may be one at NMITM. Again don't tell anyone. :stunned:
Mike
:drink:
Post by: Dr.D on May 11, 2017, 10:19:42 AM
Oh Lord saw the green CVO Lim on the floor the other day and I thought it was dreadful.
Post by: Yellow09SERG on May 11, 2017, 10:03:19 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on May 12, 2017, 12:24:11 AM
I did hear that if you start it that it would void the warranty
That's a good way to keep the mileage down though. After all, we all know that if the mileage is down you'll always be able to sell it for more than you paid for it. I think that's actually in the Constitution.
Post by: skippy on May 14, 2017, 06:16:40 PM
Post by: moscooter on May 14, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
Lot of funny stuff here, but on the serious side of the issue, (full)......all models........water cooling is likely only 2-3 model years away at best. Victory canned their model line cause most of their models could not meet the current and/or upcoming European requirements for emissions and such. Thus they chose to concentrate strictly on the Indian.
Things are a changing whether we like it or not. How many of you still regularly use a (corded) drill versus one with a battery hanging off the bottom. :nixweiss:
I'm not liking where all this is going, but wake up and smell the roses........................Big time changes are coming quickly to what you currently know and love as a loud/snorting air cooled Harley. :oops:
Post by: SDCVO on May 14, 2017, 10:32:56 PM
:-\I agree with you but honestly which works better, drill with corn hanging out or drill with a powerful compact battery? How many of us could use a iPhone 1 right now and enjoy it? If the M8 is any indication of where Harley is going I for 1 am all for it! Again I get I tend to be "Polly Anna" but I love my 17 Streetglide and am pleasantly surprised how trouble fee the new motor has been which never would have happened a few years ago..
Lot of funny stuff here, but on the serious side of the issue, (full)......all models........water cooling is likely only 2-3 model years away at best. Victory canned their model line cause most of their models could not meet the current and/or upcoming European requirements for emissions and such. Thus they chose to concentrate strictly on the Indian.
Things are a changing whether we like it or not. How many of you still regularly use a (corded) drill versus one with a battery hanging off the bottom. :nixweiss:
I'm not liking where all this is going, but wake up and smell the roses........................Big time changes are coming quickly to what you currently know and love as a loud/snorting air cooled Harley. :oops:
Post by: MC16LTD on May 15, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
Post by: grandpadoc on June 01, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Post by: jaysails on June 02, 2017, 02:39:14 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on June 02, 2017, 02:42:42 PM
Hopefully, if nothing else, they cut production at least in half. It's getting old loosing 10m as soon as you sign the papers.
Easy solution to that is don't buy new. Save the $10k and buy good used. If enough did that often enough then they'd cut production :huepfenlol2: .
Post by: bbrown on June 16, 2017, 09:09:51 AM
Post by: bbrown on June 16, 2017, 09:11:38 AM
Post by: BigLew55 on June 16, 2017, 09:42:59 AM
Anyone have the site information on California emmissions ...that is usually a good place to see what the new CVO models will be....
Nothing on the CARB site yet. A few years back, they tightened up the window between posting the certs and the release at the dealer meeting. There are now only a few days' lead time, if that. I think last year was just a weekend in between.
The days of having a month or more to mull the possibilities seems to have passed.
Post by: bbrown on June 27, 2017, 10:15:49 PM
Post by: Grizzly on June 29, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
Hopefully the 18's will have nice colors and no flames for a change..
x 2
:2vrolijk_21:
Post by: iski on June 29, 2017, 03:32:15 PM
I for one am thrilled. :P
Post by: Twolanerider on June 29, 2017, 03:43:21 PM
Bikes will be offered in 115th anniversary editions. Theme, badges, special anniversary color.
I for one am thrilled. :P
115th Anniversary models with 115% price markup. It's only fitting.
Post by: iski on June 29, 2017, 04:31:09 PM
115th Anniversary models with 115% price markup. It's only fitting.
Fitting as in "special" anniversary paint & badges are worth 115% markup? A serious and semi constipated sounding announcer with a low voice has already been approached to do the voice overs for the promo videos, no doubt.
Matt L. says they have a new bike now, just for men: http://www.theonion.com/article/harley-davidson-releases-new-motorcycle-designed-m-56348?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing (http://www.theonion.com/article/harley-davidson-releases-new-motorcycle-designed-m-56348?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing)
Post by: Glenncarp on June 29, 2017, 06:11:56 PM
I know it's a little early but....any word, rumors, facts etc. on what to expect for the sophomore year of the Milwaukee 8 CVO's? :nixweiss:
I heard the 2018's come with a candy bar with a golden wrapper, A la Willy Wonka, it is cheaper than a gold key and edible in case of a breakdown. Of course you must ration the eating of the candy bar, the equation provided by HD is (Miles-Did you get your service done at HD) X (year you purchased extended warranty X 2)= how many pieces of the candy bar you should consume per roadside breakdown! :huepfenjump3:
Post by: OBB on June 29, 2017, 07:34:20 PM
Fitting as in "special" anniversary paint & badges are worth 115% markup? A serious and semi constipated sounding announcer with a low voice has already been approached to do the voice overs for the promo videos, no doubt.:huepfenjump3: :2vrolijk_21:
Matt L. says they have a new bike now, just for men: http://www.theonion.com/article/harley-davidson-releases-new-motorcycle-designed-m-56348?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing (http://www.theonion.com/article/harley-davidson-releases-new-motorcycle-designed-m-56348?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing)
Post by: MightyTharg on July 04, 2017, 04:10:33 AM
Hopefully the 18's will have nice colorsand nowith skulls AND flames for a change..
Awesome!
Post by: Toofast_28 on July 04, 2017, 09:12:02 AM
Awesome!
With the addition of skulls to the flames, I'll buy one in every color. :drink:
Post by: bbrown on July 06, 2017, 06:08:17 AM
I agree with you but honestly which works better, drill with corn hanging out or drill with a powerful compact battery? How many of us could use a iPhone 1 right now and enjoy it? If the M8 is any indication of where Harley is going I for 1 am all for it! Again I get I tend to be "Polly Anna" but I love my 17 Streetglide and am pleasantly surprised how trouble fee the new motor has been which never would have happened a few years ago..
This is good to hear. I agree and it appears the M8 has been extremely solid in year one
Post by: skratch on July 06, 2017, 07:24:38 AM
If Harley would give away a free pie with every bike purchase, they would sell more bikes.
i got a tin of chocolate chip cookies when i bought my cvo, does that count?
course, they didn't tell me before hand so had no impact on the sale, and that isn't why i bought it anyway.
Post by: iski on July 06, 2017, 07:31:34 AM
i got a tin of chocolate chip cookies when i bought my cvo, does that count?
course, they didn't tell me before hand so had no impact on the sale, and that isn't why i bought it anyway.
Yes it would & if my local dealer would give away cookies, no telling how many more bikes they would sell. Sharp marketing. I did get free Dr. Pepper, which did influence the sale because I got two and am pretty sure they would have given me a third, if needed, to close the deal.
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 06, 2017, 08:19:37 AM
Yes it would & if my local dealer would give away cookies, no telling how many more bikes they would sell. Sharp marketing. I did get free Dr. Pepper, which did influence the sale because I got two and am pretty sure they would have given me a third, if needed, to close the deal.
I received a bottle of water with my last CVO purchase.....it was spring water, though.... ;D :bananarock:
Post by: iski on July 06, 2017, 09:07:57 AM
I received a bottle of water with my last CVO purchase.....it was spring water, though.... ;D :bananarock:
We used to get Gold Keys from the Mothership, now we get bottled beverages from the dealers. :pepper:
Post by: grandpadoc on July 11, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
Post by: rigidthumper on July 11, 2017, 10:46:05 AM
Post by: HDMIKETN64 on July 11, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
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Post by: HDMIKETN64 on July 12, 2017, 05:23:06 PM
Pool Boy's nephew said the CVO Softail Fatbob comes with scented candles and a 114" M8 engine ;D
LMAO - that's a good one!
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Post by: load97 on July 13, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
x 2
:2vrolijk_21:
x 3 :2vrolijk_09:
Post by: bbrown on July 13, 2017, 01:28:21 PM
I've seen the colors at my dealer. I wasn't impressed. But those silly color cards are often not a good representation of what the bikes look like in person.you have seen the 2018 CVO colors???
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Post by: HDMIKETN64 on July 13, 2017, 01:32:56 PM
you have seen the 2018 CEO colors???
I have seen the color swatches which have been provided by the MoCo to its dealers. I believe they were for the non-CVO models.
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2017, 01:49:29 PM
you have seen the 2018 CEO colors???
Almost entirely Caucasian. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 13, 2017, 02:00:37 PM
Almost entirely Caucasian. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Now dat's phuny rat dare.... :bananarock:
Post by: harleychef2011 on July 13, 2017, 02:13:28 PM
Now dat's phuny rat dare.... :bananarock:
Bawahahahhaaaahaaaaaa! Literally LOL! :P
Post by: iski on July 13, 2017, 03:25:58 PM
Almost entirely Caucasian. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:drink: ;D
Will make some posters happy, rarely see one of these with flames. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: bbrown on July 13, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Just read through all the posts on this topic. Even though they are not.....shouldn't they go to the Humor discussion topic :jack: :jack:
Pool Boy threads are always, by definition, taken to be "entirely serious."
Post by: iski on July 14, 2017, 12:15:13 AM
Post by: GregKhougaz on July 14, 2017, 01:34:38 AM
Just read through all the posts on this topic. Even though they are not.....shouldn't they go to the Humor discussion topic :jack: :jack:
:huepfenlol2: :oops: Somebody has waaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands! :oops: :huepfenlol2:
Post by: HDMIKETN64 on July 14, 2017, 10:05:18 AM
If you read something on the internet about 2018 Harley models, it must be true.
LMAO!
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 14, 2017, 01:54:55 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 14, 2017, 01:55:54 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 14, 2017, 01:56:32 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: mjb765 on July 14, 2017, 02:02:25 PM
Legs!
Mike
:drink:
I'm sure nobody saw that coming.....
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 04:30:28 PM
Legs!
Mike
:drink:
Speaking of.... Your truck got legs yet? ;D
Post by: iski on July 14, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
Speaking of.... Your truck got legs yet? ;D
X2. :nixweiss:
Post by: moscooter on July 14, 2017, 07:43:09 PM
So...........I gotta ask, who is the (pool boy) :nixweiss:
Post by: iski on July 14, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
:-\
So...........I gotta ask, who is the (pool boy) :nixweiss:
I have absolutely no idea. Therefore...... Pool Boy cleaned somebody's pool who had a Harley and they knew a guy who lived near a neighbor who used to live near Willie G. but not anymore. Maybe was more removed from HD than that, forget the original deal, Twolane probably knows. The greatest source of information in the history of this board as to new Harley models, pool boy disappeared a few years ago & then reappeared. Like an Immaculate Reincarnation, only different. A source of great knowledge, and is as reliable as a lot of the stuff we read on the internet, which is true because after all, we read it on the internet.
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 14, 2017, 10:30:15 PM
Mike
:drink:
PS. The pool boy says hello! He stopped by today on his way back home.
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 10:41:44 PM
:-\
So...........I gotta ask, who is the (pool boy) :nixweiss:
It is a long story. And be forewarned it involves me in a speedo. Okay you've been warned.
A long time ago in a thread far far away there were an Untold number of annoying conversations about what will next year's bikes be. Next year then being like 2006 or or 2007. All kinds of people knew someone who knew someone who potentially knew someone who had a friend at the dealer or whose brother at one time might have worked at the Moco on a Tuesday night. Basically it was all made up b*******from people who wanted to feel like they could play along and sound important but didn't actually know a damn thing. Then, IT happened.
It was an epiphany, a bolt from the blue, the Aurora Borealis of inside sources, the Gal Gadot of superwomen whispering in your ear telling us what was really going to happen. It was freaking amazing. It was, the Pool Boy.
To supplant and or replace all the anonymous but made up BS that dribbled and driveled into the stupid threads every year we were blessed by the travel Gods on high with the Advent of the pool boy. Very specifically starting to share information in our threads was Willie G's brothers nephews cousins Aunt's mistresses Chinese Laundry men's third cousin twice removed pool boy. He knew it all being that far on the inside. And he shared. Finally no more waiting for rumor, no more waiting for carb reports, no more waiting for all of the asinine stories from some made-up guy at a dealership, we actually had an inside source here on our little website.
This went on for years. The pool boy was our man on the inside for long time. Then he just stopped. The rumor was that Harley had whacked him. Slowly and painfully. And it was probably true. But then there was the resurrection. About a year and a half or so ago all the sudden slowly, minimally, but with certainty, the pool boy was back. Our source to the inside scoop was feeding us again. He doesn't say as much as he used to. That probably happens when your tongue hasn't grown back yet. But that only makes what he shares more precious.
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 10:45:55 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 10:46:52 PM
Post by: Road Dad on July 14, 2017, 10:47:36 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2017, 10:54:35 PM
Willie G does not have a pool 🏊
This I cannot say. But Willie G's brothers nephews cousins Aunt's mistresses Chinese Laundry men's third cousin twice removed etc does.
Post by: iski on July 15, 2017, 02:38:37 AM
The truck is still in Maggie Valley with a dead engine. I am supposed to go up there next week on Thursday to haul it back home. Looks like I am going to replace the engine as it is basically a solid truck and has a lot more miles still to go. I really don't want to buy a new one and a used one would be a crap shoot. I have been riding a lot more due to the broken truck. I do use the wife's SUV on Wednesdays.
Mike
:drink:
PS. The pool boy says hello! He stopped by today on his way back home.
Damn. Dammit. Sounds like a PITA. Good luck on getting your truck back and fixed Mikey.
Post by: iski on July 15, 2017, 02:43:29 AM
Oh yeah, the pool boy wore a Willie G mask. So I never actually saw his face. But he confirmed his identity by selling me a t-shirt for $116.
......
Oh I forgot the part where the speedo is in the story. When I made the clandestine overnight 16 hour moonless night ride that was an iron butt without documentation to actually meet the pool boy I went to a specific coordinates at the deep end of the pool and wore a speedo as I was assigned to do. So he'd know I was me. It wasn't a pretty sight. But I did it for the site. Just so we'd have a source. We all have to make sacrifices and that was mine.
Ha. He only charged me $115.95 for mine, but it was a cut tag second.
That part about the speedo was uncalled for. Have mercy. Am resorting to extra strength memory eye bleach to remove the imagery, am likely scarred for life.
;D
Post by: Twolanerider on July 15, 2017, 11:29:32 AM
Ha. He only charged me $115.95 for mine, but it was a cut tag second.
That part about the speedo was uncalled for. Have mercy. Am resorting to extra strength memory eye bleach to remove the imagery, am likely scarred for life.
;D
You poor bastard :huepfenlol2: .
Post by: iski on July 15, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
You poor bastard :huepfenlol2: .
Yes, would be better if I was a rich bastard. :drink:
Pool boy called & said that the 2018s will be the most extensively troubleshot, tested, & researched HDs ever to hit the market. By their owners, after they buy them.
Post by: MIKEYTEE on July 15, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: moscooter on July 15, 2017, 06:13:52 PM
You know that 'ol sayin' that "It never hurts to ask"..................I'm now thinkin' that just maybe I never should have inquired about the (pool boy). :oops:
Post by: Puzzled on July 15, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
New Softail chasis, if not this year, next.
New Trike models.
New version of the M8 for the Softail, twin balanced.
Electric bike is still a couple years out for release.
Post by: Puzzled on July 15, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Softails will have the shocks in the dirt bike monoshock position, no longer under the frame. :2vrolijk_21:
I agree with that. Wasn't certain if that was a this year change or next year.
Post by: Puzzled on July 15, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
I am hearing that the dyna is gone in 2018 and some big changes in the Softail family.... And the new motor in all big bikes ... Wait and see. . .
I heard the same, thought it would be a drastic change to drop the Dyna. With that said the Softail line is/has been moved to MO.
Post by: charles05663 on July 16, 2017, 06:08:27 PM
The Pool Boy is similar to Carnac The Magnificent, he knows all and sees all. However, he doesn't always tell all. Once you have been introduced to him and he takes you into his inner circle, he will keep you in the loop on what Harley ( The Mother Ship ) is planning and up to. There is no rhyme or reason on who he picks to be in his inner circle. I was told to post this message by The Pool Boy.
Mike
:drink:
An inner circle member let it be known that it involves speedo's...and a pool...and a midnight dip... :vrolijk27: :puke:
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Mano on July 17, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Good to know. The dealer meeting is in LA. CA in late August but do not know the exact date???
August 19-21 is what I was told.
Post by: Texas 103 on July 17, 2017, 01:54:41 PM
In 2018 all tires will be filled from the factory with nitrogen; for a $39 extra service charge.
As a dealer add-on that nitrogen will be sucked out (to be re-sold later) and replaced with nitro-helium to further lighten the bike; for a further $89 extra charge (the percentage of helium will 1.903%).
Unfortunately each of these upgrades will require recalibrations ($99 service fee each time) of the TPMS because of the different properties of each gas. Also, it will cost $149 to R&R both tires and wheels to have them rebalanced since nitrogen and helium don't mix well thus leaving a (Harley technical term) thump of helium on one side of the tire that will have to be compensated for. Fortunately once the two gasses do mix they then tend to stay mixed. So only one more rebalance after 20 hours of the tires being in service and mixing the gasses through rotation will be required.
These are all new model improvements for the 2018 fleet.
Also, Harley has incorporated the blinker fluid and linked ABS systems in to one ABS/Blinker Fluid regulator pump. With this the front and rear turn signals will continue to blink evenly no matter how hard the brakes are applied. The new special Screamin' Eagle Self Cancelling Blinker Fluid will be available approximately November 2018 as a $119.95 accessory to bring the self cancelling function to the turn signals of this new and improved system (except Dyna).
You got way too much time on your hands Don..
Post by: Twolanerider on July 17, 2017, 02:31:17 PM
You got way too much time on your hands Don..
Hey man! How's you? :drink:
Post by: Yellow09SERG on July 22, 2017, 11:45:06 PM
Post by: OBB on July 23, 2017, 05:31:13 AM
Are the 18's coming out?Ask again in about 4 weeks and we'll have a definite answer. That's the dealer meeting. ;D :drink:
Post by: Puzzled on July 23, 2017, 07:40:41 AM
Post by: CVOStreetglide on July 23, 2017, 11:28:02 AM
Seems a little late this year or I'm anticipating it more than usual....
In days of old.....dealer meetings and new product launches were the 2nd or 3rd week of July. The launches and meetings were moved a couple of years ago to the late August timeframe similiar to the official car launches. Who knows why.....
Like many I am hoping for a return to high class CVO paint jobs and significant improvements in quality control for items like the M8 oil pump and the water pump.
We'll see....
We already know the price willbe higher for sure maybe 3-5%
Post by: Yellow09SERG on July 23, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
Post by: Toofast_28 on July 23, 2017, 03:18:49 PM
Call me old....or maybe just very happy with what I have, but this is the first year that I have no excitement over what is coming in 18. Wife and I took a ride late yesterday afternoon and was laughing about how the 18's were soon to be released and we have done nothing more than a brief walk through of the 17's while walking to parts. Maybe her and I are both getting old.... Please don't repeat that part.... :drink:
I'm only 35, they don't excite me anymore either. i used to buy new cars and bikes every 2-3 years because I had that "newchit-itis", I won't buy a bike new ever again, I'm not taking a 40% loss just to have the latest untested prototype from the MoCo.
Post by: CVOStreetglide on July 23, 2017, 03:19:13 PM
In days of old.....dealer meetings and new product launches were the 2nd or 3rd week of July. The launches and meetings were moved a couple of years ago to the late August timeframe similiar to the official car launches. Who knows why.....
Like many I am hoping for a return to high class CVO paint jobs and significant improvements in quality control for items like the M8 oil pump and the water pump.
We'll see....
We already know the price will be higher for sure maybe 3-5%
Post by: rigidthumper on July 27, 2017, 12:06:35 PM
1-Touring- usual suspects w/M8
2-Softail-some names are the same, some names come from another line, frames to fit M8
3-Sportsters-same ol same ol
4-XG line- 500 for trainers/entry level, 750 street fighters.
All for now...
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Post by: Puzzled on July 27, 2017, 12:09:42 PM
Post by: ridefar on July 27, 2017, 12:40:51 PM
I'm only 35, they don't excite me anymore either. i used to buy new cars and bikes every 2-3 years because I had that "newchit-itis", I won't buy a bike new ever again, I'm not taking a 40% loss just to have the latest untested prototype from the MoCo.
Good strategy! Be grateful you realized and accepted this at such a young age(I have 25 years on you !). I still have to control myself sometimes from that "newchit-itis". The instant gratification does not last that long and you end up lacking for your hard earned money.
Post by: bbrown on July 28, 2017, 08:34:02 AM
In days of old.....dealer meetings and new product launches were the 2nd or 3rd week of July. The launches and meetings were moved a couple of years ago to the late August timeframe similar to the official car launches. Who knows why.....
Like many I am hoping for a return to high class CVO paint jobs and significant improvements in quality control for items like the M8 oil pump and the water pump.
We'll see....
I think this change was made to give more time to sell current year bikes. It is sad though as it was always fun to see the new bikes at the Sturgis Rally. For many years the Harley display was in Rapid City and later downtown Sturgis. Both drew very large crowds.
Now a days the Harley tent draws about less the Indian and Slingsot displays.....both display the new year bikes.
But I am like you in terms of quality and color.....and a couple more with chrome instead of blackout would be good too.
I have had two dealers tell me quantities will be significantly less
We already know the price will be higher for sure maybe 3-5%
Post by: GKroadking on July 31, 2017, 11:40:15 AM
Post by: aero8 on August 01, 2017, 06:47:48 AM
What is an FLHRXS...a ROAD KING SPECIAL ( FLHRS) with a windshield? For what feature stands the X?
What are the community thought about that?
Aero8
Post by: Gerhard on August 01, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
This is good to hear. I agree and it appears the M8 has been extremely solid in year one
So, just a look from far away Europe with blown, oilless engines, spit out oil tubes and so on: if you call the M8 "extremely solid" - I wonder what Make you call a not so solid engine ...
G.
Post by: rigidthumper on August 01, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
So, just a look from far away Europe with blown, oilless engines, spit out oil tubes and so on: if you call the M8 "extremely solid" - I wonder what Make you call a not so solid engine ...Since they have produced 1/4 million 2017 motorcycles, and have actually had a couple grenade, and a few dozen with oil pump issues, I'd say it's not as bad as you believe...
G.
Post by: CVCVORG on August 01, 2017, 07:55:01 PM
Post by: OBB on August 01, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
Anyone checked the CARB website latelyLooked yesterday. Didn't see anything new. Last year it was the day of the dealer show when they were released.
Post by: Gerhard on August 02, 2017, 03:49:41 AM
Since they have produced 1/4 million 2017 motorcycles, and have actually had a couple grenade, and a few dozen with oil pump issues, I'd say it's not as bad as you believe...Didn't know the figures - maybe it was blown up here, and maybe it was an overreaction, cause BMW with their cash cow R1200GS have serious fork troubles and a worldwide product recall running. Not quite the same segment, but anyway.
I wish HD the best.
G.
Post by: Gandrtravis on August 04, 2017, 10:06:45 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 04, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
Post by: flhse on August 04, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
I heard (on the internet, momentarily) that there won't be any new bikes for the 2018 model yard. None at all. The "115th anniversary special" will be an ongoing year long sale to finally get rid of the 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 model new bikes still littering dealer inventory all over the country.
I believe that is true, I read it on the internet! Then I visited my dealer and got to see all those model years on the floor.......
Post by: Twolanerider on August 04, 2017, 10:33:38 PM
I heard (on the internet, momentarily) that there won't be any new bikes for the 2018 model yard. None at all. The "115th anniversary special" will be an ongoing year long sale to finally get rid of the 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017 model new bikes still littering dealer inventory all over the country.
I believe that is true, I read it on the internet! Then I visited my dealer and got to see all those model years on the floor.......
There we have it. Primary source material and independent verification. If it's good enough for The New York Post and "The National Enquirer" it's got to be good enough for CVOHARLEY.COM and all who gossip here :huepfenlol2: .
Post by: Finster101 on August 04, 2017, 11:19:40 PM
Post by: ds33gt on August 04, 2017, 11:29:52 PM
That`s an interesting overview, even if the CVO models are missing.
What is an FLHRXS...a ROAD KING SPECIAL ( FLHRS) with a windshield? For what feature stands the X?
What are the community thought about that?
Aero88
Xtra special. :bananarock:
Post by: Twolanerider on August 04, 2017, 11:35:06 PM
What's the latest word from "pool boy" on the matter?
Last I head he had his head under the water and was blowing bubbles to pass the time until the dealer meeting.
Post by: bigchuck on August 04, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 05, 2017, 11:00:34 AM
That`s an interesting overview, even if the CVO models are missing.
What is an FLHRXS...a ROAD KING SPECIAL ( FLHRS) with a windshield? For what feature stands the X?
What are the community thought about that?
Aero8
Close. Road King with an infotainment system; with built in porn.
Post by: Twolanerider on August 05, 2017, 11:02:58 AM
Instead of starting a new thread every year about next years model we should just have a pool boy thread that runs year round. That way we won't have the same stupid azz conversation every year,
Someone else understands the pool boy. :huepfenlol2:
Post by: FXDFSE on August 05, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
Post by: charles05663 on August 05, 2017, 11:27:34 AM
I heard (on the internet, momentarily) that there won't be any new bikes for the 2018 model yard. None at all. The "115th anniversary special" will be an ongoing year long sale to finally get rid of the2014111th Anniversary,2015112th Anniversary,2016113th Anniversary and2017114th Anniversary model new bikes still littering dealer inventory all over the country.
Minor correction to the model years to align with HD's marketing.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: TN on August 05, 2017, 11:41:06 AM
TN
:trailer:
Post by: Twolanerider on August 05, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
An electric city bagger that appeals to the millennials in skinny jeans, with some sort of head protection that doesn't require their man-bun be taken down.
TN:trailer:
If the skinny jeans were dropped out of the equation (and the man bun.....) I could see myself interested in an a cool looking zippy electric bagger for an around town ride. I've never been much of an around town rider on real bikes. A zippy torquey electric ride that is more than some just some dumb scooter might be interesting.
Post by: Twolanerider on August 05, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Minor correction to the model years to align with HD's marketing.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Good grief can't believed I missed mentioning those other important anniversary model years. Good catch :drink: .
Post by: TN on August 05, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
If the skinny jeans were dropped out of the equation (and the man bun.....) I could see myself interested in an a cool looking zippy electric bagger for an around town ride. I've never been much of an around town rider on real bikes. A zippy torquey electric ride that is more than some just some dumb scooter might be interesting.
Obviously you didn't get the memo, HD and their wonderful marketing is after a whole new generation to provide a lifestyle to. The ole white fat guys are dying off in record numbers and customer service is looking to expand their language skills and promote the lifestyle to further degrees. I'm ancient news myself.
An electric scooter is in our future, it's called the power chair. After motor replacement and batteries too it will be a zippy torque monster you dream about. Please don't forget yer eye protection. It's all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out. :bananarock:
TN
Post by: Twolanerider on August 05, 2017, 07:47:34 PM
Obviously you didn't get the memo, HD and their wonderful marketing is after a whole new generation to provide a lifestyle to. The ole white fat guys are dying off in record numbers and customer service is looking to expand their language skills and promote the lifestyle to further degrees. I'm ancient news myself.
An electric scooter is in our future, it's called the power chair. After motor replacement and batteries too it will be a zippy torque monster you dream about. Please don't forget yer eye protection. It's all fun and games till someone gets their eye poked out. :bananarock:
TN
You made me laugh. Sitting here with a big grin on my face right now.
I got my love of cars and bikes legitimately. Grew up playing with all of it with my dad who was a machinist and started me out in gas stations and garages when I was 10 or 11.
Dad's last few years were sometimes a bit of a challenge. He had a three wheeled version of some brand of electric scooter that he got around the big yard on and that we'd haul to car shows or anyplace else there was a lot of ground to cover. He also got around the big yard on the riding lawn mower sometimes too.
Yeah, you guessed it, the mower was hot rodded and we played with gearing on the scooter too. I don't know how many times I'd hear one of his favorite two or three expletives followed by some weird laugh and would find he'd rolled the damn scooter again. Going slower than full wind on its electric motors was just never his thing. Hell, going slow in anything was just never his thing.
15 years now and some change. Still miss him. Here's to our dads (and all the things they taught us [whether they should have or not]) :huepfenlol2: .
Post by: TN on August 05, 2017, 10:35:20 PM
Carry On
TN
Post by: iski on August 12, 2017, 12:16:14 PM
CVO bikes to be shipped in 3 different trim levels. One will be engine upgrade to 117 from the 114, from the factory. One is paint/trim related - like a blackout or partial blackout bike. One will be: dunno, your guess is as good as mine or this one trim level is just the "regular" CVO.
Sporty to get new motor? Maybe 2019 instead? Maybe a version of the V-Rod motor, redesigned for Sportster. More power.
M8 motor gets utilized in some models besides Touring - Softail.
Dyno - dunno less or gone or almost gone.
CARB reports should be out in a few days, engine info will be listed there. No idea as to the accuracy of any of the above, but it sounded good, and I got a great deal on some Pool Stabilizer.
Post by: Twolanerider on August 12, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Post by: iski on August 12, 2017, 01:55:35 PM
^^ Also all bikes will have plaid saddles.
Plaid is the new black? :nixweiss:
And I didn't even need any Pool Stabilizer, BTW. ;D
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 12, 2017, 02:52:27 PM
CVO bikes to be shipped in 3 different trim levels. One will be engine upgrade to 117 from the 114, from the factory. One is paint/trim related - like a blackout or partial blackout bike. One will be: dunno, your guess is as good as mine or this one trim level is just the "regular" CVO.
I could see a benefit to offering all bikes in a chrome or black.
Post by: iski on August 12, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
I could see a benefit to offering all bikes in a chrome or black.
Would make a lot of sense, across the line. Maybe a small step toward ordering a bike like you want it to be set up? :nixweiss:
Naaaahhhhhhhhhh..... ;D
Post by: phato1 on August 12, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
^^ Also all bikes will have plaid saddles.
That right there is almost enough to get me down to the local dealer to place my deposit!
I Just hope the plaid color on the saddle is a good match for the paint.
Post by: Twolanerider on August 12, 2017, 06:14:09 PM
That right there is almost enough to get me down to the local dealer to place my deposit!
I Just hope the plaid color on the saddle is a good match for the paint.
The plant seed is there first step toward effective Inventory management couple years down the road it will be part of the special Highlander model. There can be only one.
Post by: 4fun on August 12, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
^^ Also all bikes will have plaid saddles.Sounds like a special edition "Bay City Rollers" model.
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Post by: iski on August 13, 2017, 01:13:32 AM
Post by: moscooter on August 13, 2017, 08:04:08 AM
I'm thinkin that plaid saddles and color schemes like this one will NOT be in the offering for the coming year models......
Post by: iski on August 13, 2017, 08:21:51 AM
Post by: moscooter on August 14, 2017, 10:58:14 AM
Forget about that hype on global warming, it could be that we're in for a colder wintertime coming up and if so and your dealer is North of the Mason-Dixon, you just might find another new model being offered.............
Post by: MIKEYTEE on August 14, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
Yep that is what he said in the memo straight from the MOCO's inter office scuttlebutt memo's. :nixweiss: WTF?
Mike
:drink:
Post by: Yellow09SERG on August 14, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
^^ Also all bikes will have plaid saddles.Cheap Trick model. Complete with plaid googles
Post by: iski on August 14, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
Post by: moscooter on August 14, 2017, 03:47:55 PM
Of course, another bad winter could also spike up the demand for more of these models.....
Post by: TN on August 16, 2017, 09:34:23 PM
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2018/2018.php
Post by: CVCVORG on August 16, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Dealers in Ohio are even hush on paint options and two refused to allow down payment or deposit for 18 CVO
Post by: workingdan on August 16, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
Post by: OBB on August 17, 2017, 09:13:35 AM
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Post by: OBB on August 17, 2017, 09:15:35 AM
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-and-engines
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Post by: LC110 on August 17, 2017, 10:50:03 AM
Here we go with the Anniversary Models. "bfg"
Post by: iski on August 17, 2017, 02:25:45 PM
Post by: OBB on August 17, 2017, 02:36:40 PM
Looks like the Pool Boy was mostly right on some things. CVOs with a 114 & 117 engine trim level. Some Softails with M8 motors. Fewer Dyna models. Will be interesting to see what the 2018 anny paint is. In person. The pics will likely suck.You're right. The pix always suck. I'll consider one if they have another SERGU (which I doubt) in a nice Annie paint set.
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Post by: jonny cash on August 17, 2017, 03:33:49 PM
Looks like the Pool Boy was mostly right on some things. CVOs with a 114 & 117 engine trim level. Some Softails with M8 motors. Fewer Dyna models. Will be interesting to see what the 2018 anny paint is. In person. The pics will likely suck.
I'm hearing dyna and softail will share same chassis, at least as far as engine cradle, have different rear bolt on sub frames
Post by: NH Bulldog on August 17, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
Keeping to my "CVO every 5 years" schedule, I will enjoy my current ride for another 4 1/2 years (quite happily I might add)
Post by: rayson56 on August 17, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
Post by: iski on August 17, 2017, 07:28:42 PM
I'm hearing dyna and softail will share same chassis, at least as far as engine cradle, have different rear bolt on sub frames
I heard similar, that remaining Dynas are getting a Softail type frame.
Post by: Twolanerider on August 17, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
I heard similar, that remaining Dynas are getting a Softail type frame.
Anything about a plaid saddle?
Post by: iski on August 17, 2017, 11:20:53 PM
Anything about a plaid saddle?
Sadly, not a word. Except here, where they would be very popular. Maybe Matt Levatich could take a contingent of HD execs to Scotland and Ireland, to
Post by: charles05663 on August 17, 2017, 11:35:08 PM
Sadly, not a word. Except here, where they would be very popular. Maybe Matt Levatich could take a contingent of HD execs to Scotland and Ireland, toplay golf & mess around & pub crawl on expense accountsstudy various clan's plaid patterns and their application to future Harley saddles. A plaid "clan" bike, considering recent developments would be a colossally bad idea, so the possibility of the "Harley Clan Plaid Bike Family" has definite possibilities. Figure they will be introduced about a year after the "gas tank integrated cup holder" models.
Those would count toward the 100's of new bikes they plan to release in the next 5 years. If they play the plaid card correctly, they could hit that number in the first year. Then the marketing department can spin it as an example of MoCo's innovative and forward thinking. Thus justifying an increase in stock price and increasing "share holder value" and more importantly increase the value of MoCo's stock options the company execs hold.
Man they are smart!
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 18, 2017, 06:49:27 AM
Sumptin lyke dis....
Post by: bbrown on August 18, 2017, 09:10:31 AM
Just got this in an email. Hope the link works as I'm mobile at the moment. Info came from US EPA. http://www.arpaia.com/hd2018b.html
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No cvo street glide??????
Post by: OBB on August 18, 2017, 10:16:14 AM
Give it time as I'm sure this isn't a complete list. Then again, a lot of us were waiting on the "4th" CVO to come out mid year last year.
No cvo street glide??????
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Post by: iski on August 18, 2017, 01:26:41 PM
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/august/2018-harley-davidson-line-up-leaked (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/august/2018-harley-davidson-line-up-leaked)
Post by: Mano on August 18, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
No cvo street glide??????
In 2013 which was also a anniversary year they did not make a CVO Street Glide ether. >:(
Post by: OBB on August 18, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2018/2018.php
Just starting to look at it now.
Post by: charles05663 on August 18, 2017, 09:45:42 PM
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: grofcvo on August 19, 2017, 09:46:47 PM
Post by: OBB on August 20, 2017, 08:15:30 AM
Another link showing mostly the same stuff regarding 2018:That leak got plugged.
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/august/2018-harley-davidson-line-up-leaked (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/august/2018-harley-davidson-line-up-leaked)
Post by: King Glide on August 20, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
Post by: moscooter on August 20, 2017, 04:51:02 PM
This (thread) makes for a stunning study regarding "brand loyalty". No matter all the problems uncovered with past and present models in this forum, by God............I've owned my current Harley for two or three whole years, likely I have a warranty or extended one to cover any problems and now I'm ready to get a brand new one. :nixweiss:
While I'm noticing on another thread about the new Indian models, I'm seeing some (perked up) interest from some of you, but there remains that subset that just can't fathom owning and/or riding another brand.
I kinda understand it as I'm a Chevy guy and don't want a Ford...........but this excitement about what the new models do or do not have color wise and/or model wise becomes facinating to me. I no longer ride enough to much consider getting a new one, but if I did, I for sure would take a hard look at the Indians as an alternative choice.
Yes, I'm sure that Indians will in fact have their own set of glitches/problems, but I would hope their dealer network would respond better than what many of you have found to be..................."They all do that". :nixweiss:
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
but this excitement about what the new models do or do not have color wise and/or model wise becomes facinating to me.
Understand how easy it is to see this each year and think the new model interest is strong. In fact it may be; at some level. The interest is nowhere as heightened as it was 10-12 years ago. Then there would be a large group here waiting and chatting and sharing for the moment the new stuff started being released; with a waxing interest almost as strong until that day and moment's crescendo. Then as quick as it happened we were parsing new parts and new models and how retrofits might happen. It was fun and interesting (and a little nerdy and geeky too).
A dozen years of declining attitude, quality and support have diminished that almost rabid fascination and interest. I'm sure the pool boy could explain it better but it's nowhere near the anxiety and/or interest shared by more total bodies from a far larger overall crowd.
I'm more interested in a couple of the brethren's new Indians or a couple others recently acquired late model Victory bikes than anything Harley is doing. The new M8 release last year was interesting. Strictly from an engineering and design curiosity that got my attention. Of course I was hopeful it would be "different" and wouldn't be using the new fleet of owners as its beta testers. The guys with oil pumps failing (or not operating to standard) or those losing oils from primary to tranny or vice versa (I still don't understand that one) or those who know several years in are still having a cacophony of water pump issues dampened that curiosity in a hurry though.
So, yeah, I'm sure new models will be released right way (it happens exactly when :nixweiss: ?). Aside from the plaid saddles I don't have a lot of interest though. My old bikes are just fine.
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 20, 2017, 05:58:17 PM
Baton Rouge Harley has announced the unveiling will be Monday ( tomorrow) . No time set so I assume it will be simultaneously done with the moco website.
HARLEY IS TRYING TO COORDINATE THE 2018 MODEL ROLLOUT WITH THE ECLIPSE
8) 8) :D :D
Post by: phato1 on August 20, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
HARLEY IS TRYING TO COORDINATE THE 2018 MODEL ROLLOUT WITH THE ECLIPSE
8) 8) :D :D
to keep us in the dark, I suppose........
Post by: moscooter on August 20, 2017, 07:27:07 PM
Wait till later on tomorrow, good chances are that even though most people that have at least a half of clue as to what is going on............there will still be some (retards) also known as those that never pay attention..........that will panic, hit the brakes in the middle of traffic, and/or create a bad scene where if they were "tuned in" to life, there would be no problem.
Lets see if any of that happens tomorrow................................ :nixweiss:
Post by: Grizzly on August 20, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Possibly it is due to the much larger problem facing Harley... We're all getting older, and there isn't young buyers following.
With age comes wisdom and a certain level of comfort in the knowledge to recognize a good thing when you have it.
I still love my '08 Duracell enough that nothing thus far since has spurred me to trade it on a newer model... Then again, it is now like an old pair of slippers that just fits right!
Who knows what tomorrow will bring? :nixweiss:
Post by: iski on August 20, 2017, 10:19:17 PM
And even if they put plaid saddles on 84% of the product line, the interest will still not be what it was. Well, except for this one guy..... ::)
Post by: CVCVORG on August 21, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
:drummer:
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 21, 2017, 06:56:44 AM
Post by: longlast on August 21, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
While out riding a bit yesterday afternoon, we happened by SMHD and Bootlegger HD. I know the 2018 models are to be announced today but I'm not sure where the dealers are going to put them with all the remaining 2017's (and some 2016's) covering the showroom floor... :nixweiss:
Know what you're saying Howard, it's the same thing on this side of the pond. It seems HD is loosing it's appeal to the up coming generation.
Over here you don't see many younger guy or gals on Harley's just us older gits :P
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 21, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
While out riding a bit yesterday afternoon, we happened by SMHD and Bootlegger HD. I know the 2018 models are to be announced today but I'm not sure where the dealers are going to put them with all the remaining 2017's (and some 2016's) covering the showroom floor... :nixweiss:
I've been in a couple dealers this summer with brand new 15's still on the floor... A dealer somewhere uncrated a 15 CVO SG black/gold just a month ago, was on eBay for msrp.
Post by: fastfreddy on August 21, 2017, 03:46:23 PM
Post by: cvosjoe on August 21, 2017, 05:01:50 PM
Ok eclipse is over, how about some spy photos of the new bikes.... anybody :nixweiss:Dealer show is tomorrow late afternoon/evening.
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Post by: bbrown on August 21, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
Dealer show is tomorrow late afternoon/evening.
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HMMMMM. I thought it started today......Sure is quiet. Nothing on the carb site either
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 21, 2017, 07:17:51 PM
Dealer show is tomorrow late afternoon/evening.
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HMMMMM. I thought it started today......Sure is quiet. Nothing on the carb site either
HD posted on Facebook that the bikes would be unveiled 8/22 in the evening.
Post by: grofcvo on August 21, 2017, 07:53:42 PM
Know what you're saying Howard, it's the same thing on this side of the pond. It seems HD is loosing it's appeal to the up coming generation.same here in bay area concor, oakland , san farncisco , floor is full with 17 and some 16 ...
Over here you don't see many younger guy or gals on Harley's just us older gits :P
Post by: bbrown on August 21, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
HD posted on Facebook that the bikes would be unveiled 8/22 in the evening.
I SEE THAT.....one more day!!!!
Post by: mark on August 21, 2017, 09:16:29 PM
I've been in a couple dealers this summer with brand new 15's still on the floor... A dealer somewhere uncrated a 15 CVO SG black/gold just a month ago, was on eBay for msrp.
MSRP for a three year old CVO with what is now the "out-dated" engine? We can get a 2018 CVO for MSRP. Some dealers are living in 1992.
Post by: bbrown on August 21, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
MSRP for a three year old CVO with what is now the "out-dated" engine? We can get a 2018 CVO for MSRP. Some dealers are living in 1992.
Just got back from a trip out West and have been touring in midwest as part of the Passport Tour. If you are lookin at CVO 's there is not much out there that is not high mileage or very questionable. ( like been in a wreck or something )..... just one of many examples is a 2011 street glide with a 2013 mag wheel and fork on the front. Go figure. ) I do agree there are a lot of 2017's out there but not the CVO line especially in the upper Midwest
Just saying !!!!!
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2017, 08:40:05 AM
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2018/Harley-Davidson-models
Post by: NH Bulldog on August 22, 2017, 08:40:31 AM
Post by: BALIS on August 22, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
According to Total Motorcycle the entire 2018 Touring lineup is "new". :nixweiss:
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2018/Harley-Davidson-models
That's old news from 2017.
Every year is the same old news with totalmotorcycle.
Post by: iski on August 22, 2017, 11:30:58 AM
http://bikersstory.com/2018-harley-davidson-line-leaked/ (http://bikersstory.com/2018-harley-davidson-line-leaked/)
"Leaked information about the 2018 Harley-Davidson range shows that the Milwaukee – Eight engine is to spread across the entire Dyna and Softail lines next year.
Launched in the firm’s 2017 trike and Touring models, the Milwaukee-Eight is one of the biggest steps in Harley-Davidson engine history. An all-new engine, it combines traditional elements like the 45-degree V-angle and pushrod valve actuation with modern technology. It has four valves per cylinder and some ‘Twin-Cooled’ versions have water-cooled cylinder heads.
For the 2018 Harley-Davidson range there will be three sizes of Milwaukee-Eight. The basic version is a 92hp, 1746cc unit and its name, ‘107’, reflects its capacity in cubic inches. There’s also an 1868cc, 101hp ‘114’ version and a 105hp, 1923cc ‘117’ derivative.
The bikes in the Dyna and Softail range currently use Harley’s Twin Cam V-twin in 1688cc ‘103’ or 1802cc ‘110’ form. They will all switch to the new engines. Most will get the 107 version of the Milwaukee-Eight.
Bikes getting the Milwaukee-Eight will include the Breakout, Softail Deluxe, Fat Boy, Heritage Softail Classic, Low Rider, Softail Slim, Fat Boy, Street Bob and Fat Bob.
As well as spreading its new engine across the Softail and Dyna ranges, Harley will add to its ‘S-Series’ line up next year. These will be higher-spec versions of various bikes. At the moment, Harley sells three ‘S-Series’ machines – the Low Rider S, Softail Slim S and Fat Boy S. Next year there will also be the Breakout S and Heritage Classic S. These are expected to have the larger, 1868cc ‘114’ version of the Milwaukee-Eight. An additional new model, the Fat Bob 114, will also use the larger engine. It will be sold alongside the normal, 107cu in Fat Bob.
Having started business in 1903, 2018 also represents Harley’s 115th anniversary. As a result the firm will launch a range of Anniversary-branded models to celebrate. The range will include the Breakout S Anniversary, Fat Boy S Anniversary, Tri Glide Ultra Anniversary, Heritage Classic S Anniversary, CVO Ultra Limited Anniversary and Ultra Limited Anniversary. There will also be two special versions of the Fat Boy S; the Anniversary V and Anniversary X. While we know the names of these bikes, we don’t have information on their specifications.
The CVO models will be the only versions with the largest, 117 cu in version of the Milwaukee-Eight."
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 22, 2017, 11:47:07 AM
According to Total Motorcycle the entire 2018 Touring lineup is "new". :nixweiss:
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcycles/2018/Harley-Davidson-models
If that's accurate, I'm good for at least another year with my 2015 CVO Road Glide Ultra. Not to Jack the thread but I picked up my 2018, yesterday. Porsche Carrera 4 GTS. Sapphire blue metallic, same as my CVO!
Post by: Pan1 on August 22, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
Post by: Frank FX on August 22, 2017, 12:29:58 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 12:32:54 PM
Thought the website would be updated by now.
NO KIDDING AND THERE IS NOTHING ON THE CALIFORNIA EPA CARB WEB SITE . IT IS 9:30 IN LA. THE DEALERS MUST BE GETTING A LOOK AT THEM ABOUT NOW??????
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 22, 2017, 12:56:24 PM
If that's accurate, I'm good for at least another year with my 2015 CVO Road Glide Ultra. Not to Jack the thread but I picked up my 2018, yesterday. Porsche Carrera 4 GTS. Sapphire blue metallic, same as my CVO!
Only in color, Greg, only in color... ;D
....however, if you did happen to own a V-Rod, dey kood b furst cuzins.... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 01:20:35 PM
Dealer meeting starts at 5pm Cali time. Don't expect much before that.
NO KIDDING AND THERE IS NOTHING ON THE CALIFORNIA EPA CARB WEB SITE . IT IS 9:30 IN LA. THE DEALERS MUST BE GETTING A LOOK AT THEM ABOUT NOW??????
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Post by: ultrarider123 on August 22, 2017, 01:39:16 PM
Dealer meeting starts at 5pm Cali time. Don't expect much before that.
Which would be 1800 Mountain, 1900 Central and 2000 Eastern.......and midnight GMT; 0300 Wednesday in Istanbul, Turkey; 0530 in Dehli, India; 0900 tomorrow morning in Tokyo and noon Wednesday in Auckland, NZ..... :2vrolijk_21: :bananarock:
(yes, I know....I'm a smart azz.... ;D)
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2017, 01:57:26 PM
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2017, 01:59:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8
;D
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 22, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
If that's accurate, I'm good for at least another year with my 2015 CVO Road Glide Ultra. Not to Jack the thread but I picked up my 2018, yesterday. Porsche Carrera 4 GTS. Sapphire blue metallic, same as my CVO!
Greg,
WOW! Beautiful Porsche!!!
You have the best of both worlds!
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
YB
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 22, 2017, 02:55:13 PM
Both the Dyna & Softail utilizing the same frame with hand adjustable rear shocks, new oil cooler located between the 2 downward bars up front.
Those two models now look the same.
YB
Post by: tolobill on August 22, 2017, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: jonny cash on August 22, 2017, 03:42:25 PM
Post by: tazmun on August 22, 2017, 03:47:21 PM
New Fat BobLooks like that oil cooler will be full of road debree in no time. Rest of the bike looks good.
Post by: BostonboyDH on August 22, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 22, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
New frame Softtail style.....
Looks like a Honda Shadow......
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 06:37:56 PM
Post by: longlast on August 22, 2017, 06:40:34 PM
Post by: iski on August 22, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
And all colour scheme
;D Can tell they are beginning to miss Willie G. ...
Post by: moscooter on August 22, 2017, 07:06:54 PM
And all colour schemeHere is a pic of the kind of guy that would ride that bike...........
Post by: SIKBIRD on August 22, 2017, 07:20:05 PM
Post by: iski on August 22, 2017, 07:22:06 PM
Post by: tazmun on August 22, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
The Fatboy pix that is floating around. How many burnt hands will ensue because people want to adjust that shock while the pipes are hot?
Do like the new wheel's!
Post by: Miss Susan on August 22, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
The Fatboy pix that is floating around. How many burnt hands will ensue because people want to adjust that shock while the pipes are hot?
How many passengers are going to put their boot on that pipe?
Miss Susan
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 22, 2017, 07:56:06 PM
How many passengers are going to put their boot on that pipe?
Miss Susan
Plenty of women in heels or sandals probably... Seems painful. But there are plenty of bikes out there with equally as poor of pipe placement.
Post by: CVCVORG on August 22, 2017, 08:16:10 PM
Will have to see how it looks at night
Surprised website is not showing the 2018 models yet
Did see a couple dealers broadcasting the show on FB
https://www.facebook.com/coxsnc/videos/vb.118185651570920/1565339100188894/?type=2&theater
Post by: tazmun on August 22, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Post by: ds33gt on August 22, 2017, 09:09:39 PM
Post by: newseultra07 on August 22, 2017, 09:10:18 PM
Post by: tazmun on August 22, 2017, 09:31:17 PM
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 22, 2017, 09:33:18 PM
Finally a new CVO RG....with a 21" front wheel from the factory
Looks like it's air cooled with no radiators too.
YB
Post by: SBB on August 22, 2017, 09:35:25 PM
Unfortunately for me, nothing excites me enough to buy new, bummer!
Still nothing better looking than my 11.5 SEUC and my 12 SERGC in blue!
SBB
Post by: TN on August 22, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
At least the CVO lineup.
Or does he
TN
Post by: wrayzor on August 22, 2017, 09:48:20 PM
:worthless :worthless :worthless :worthless :worthless:
Post by: TN on August 22, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 09:59:43 PM
Someone post some pics already!try face book ...this site and thread is not serious and a waste of time...SERIOUSLY
:worthless :worthless :worthless :worthless :worthless:
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 22, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:03:43 PM
Bikes are on HD website. Some hefty price increases... $2k bump on the CVO SG. $41.4 CVO RG.https://motorcycles.harley-davidson.com/
With the paint set on this, I hope like hell they choke on the damn thing. Just flat out disgusting for that price tag :smilie_daumenneg:
Post by: Wrongway on August 22, 2017, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: ds33gt on August 22, 2017, 10:06:48 PM
The more subdued colors don't really do it for me....I do like the throw back seat to the fltrxse's....too bad it won't match the skunk.
No LC heads...interesting
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:10:28 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
https://motorcycles.harley-davidson.com/
With the paint set on this, I hope like hell they choke on the damn thing. Just flat out disgusting for that price tag :smilie_daumenneg:
Oooooooh. I've eaten red grapes that were a little old then got the runs and it came out that color.
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:13:20 PM
another ugly paint set.
Remember that bitch that was the team owner in "Major League?" When she wanted to tank the season? You think she's changed companies?
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:16:27 PM
Ain't that the truth. They put the same chitty paint on the SESGs!!!!!
Remember that bitch that was the team owner in "Major League?" When she wanted to tank the season? You think she's changed companies?
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:16:51 PM
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
Hey Neal,,, can you tone down the filter a little please. Paint sets like these deserve to be called s.h.i.t.t.y. , not chitty LOL
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:20:06 PM
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:20:29 PM
I really hope that none of you was waiting on those 2018 colors, they all suck! Saving money here.Makes me want to go back to a standard RGU and customize it. On the other hand, My paint set would bolt right on. After all the extra money for a new one and trading tins, I'd be better off to just drop an S&S 124 in mine and call it a day. >:(
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:24:02 PM
Makes me want to go back to a standard RGU and customize it. On the other hand, My paint set would bolt right on. After all the extra money for a new one and trading tins, I'd be better off to just drop an S&S 124 in mine and call it a day. >:(
You know there are some aftermarket suppliers licking their chops tonight. Thinking "a lot bikes being kept at least one more year."
Post by: mjb765 on August 22, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
You know there are some aftermarket suppliers licking their chops tonight. Thinking "a lot bikes being kept at least one more year."
Ain't that the truth!! That blue '17 CVO SG that I saw in Arkansas looks way better that any CVO SG for '18..and so does the paint on mine!!!
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
Post by: ds33gt on August 22, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
I will say I am very impressed with the new Fatboy. If I had an extra 20k laying around, I'd have one.
I think you will see Dynas holding value quite well with dropping them from the lineup.
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 22, 2017, 10:29:11 PM
Post by: King Glide on August 22, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:40:28 PM
You know there are some aftermarket suppliers licking their chops tonight. Thinking "a lot bikes being kept at least one more year."You nailed that for sure Don. I just peeked in on the standard RGU and RGS and nothing there I'd even consider for a 2nd bike. Hell, the RGS is only $100 cheaper than the RGU.
Post by: bigchuck on August 22, 2017, 10:40:57 PM
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
Wow, I am SO NOT IMPRESSED, I was pretty sure my '16 roadglide ultra was my last bike and now I'm absolutely sure a 117 kit is about 20k miles in my future.I'll wait til my 110 grenades in mine and let ESP pick up at least the labor end of the upgrade.
Post by: ds33gt on August 22, 2017, 10:42:28 PM
You nailed that for sure Don. I just peeked in on the standard RGU and RGS and nothing there I'd even consider for a 2nd bike. Hell, the RGS is only $100 cheaper than the RGU.
30k for a RG/SG special including TTT and a couple add ons...
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 10:45:03 PM
30k for a RG/SG special plus TTL and a couple add ons...26,300 unless you're looking at the Canadian prices. ;D
Post by: SHRADER on August 22, 2017, 10:48:06 PM
The worst single cvo year in history bar none.
If I was gonna buy any of the 2018 bikes it would not be a CVO. It would be one of the Specials. Blacked out, pick a color and save 15 to 20 grand. Ridiculous Harley!!! Ridiculous!!!
Post by: spook120 on August 22, 2017, 10:49:30 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:50:01 PM
You nailed that for sure Don. I just peeked in on the standard RGU and RGS and nothing there I'd even consider for a 2nd bike. Hell, the RGS is only $100 cheaper than the RGU.
Some years they've done better than others. At times one could parse the details and cast the runes and at least think you might see some method to the.... whatever the thought and design processes might be. Maybe things having to be an in between year for tooling for what is admittedly a relatively small major manufacturer to catch. Or.... well... a lot of "somethings" that one might offer to give them some latitude.
Not this mess.
The M8 isn't new anymore. So you know anything they'd been planning for it has had plenty of time to gain legs and be ready to run. As they put the new power plant (totally expectedly) across the model lines one would think (hope) that they'd couple with the pizazz and pomp and other words even more exciting to capitalize. Right now the only thing that makes any sense is:
Well, the engine has sumping problems, other stuff we're really not sure of that we REALLY need time to sort out. Because... well... as much as we hate to admit it we're just not that good at this stuff. So, oil pump case or gerotors--- we'll get that sorted; oil going from primary to tranny when the bikes are ridden as they're supposed to be--- yeah, we don't know what's going on there either. Might be time for a "pause year" so lets make some bikes that absolutely won't generate a lot of sales numbers so we've got time to work on this mess without generating an even GREATER amount of warranty liability. Check :2vrolijk_21: .
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:55:34 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
Post by: longlast on August 22, 2017, 10:58:17 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
I really hope that none of you was waiting on those 2018 colors, they all suck! Saving money here.
wow....you're dead spot on
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:58:35 PM
Post by: Twolanerider on August 22, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 11:00:24 PM
"If you think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
The worst single cvo year in history bar none.
If I was gonna buy any of the 2018 bikes it would not be a CVO. It would be one of the Specials. Blacked out, pick a color and save 15 to 20 grand. Ridiculous Harley!!! Ridiculous!!!
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totally agree
Post by: mark on August 22, 2017, 11:04:43 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 11:05:03 PM
Post by: bbrown on August 22, 2017, 11:06:37 PM
Thank gawd I can walk out to the shop and find these any time I want to.
Agreed...now that there is a real CVO
Post by: flhman on August 22, 2017, 11:16:39 PM
Post by: iski on August 22, 2017, 11:28:17 PM
Maybe better looking in person. Hope so. CVOs - 2018 maybe worst color year ever.
Post by: OBB on August 22, 2017, 11:30:06 PM
Man, no kidding, those colors are terrible, not meant to offend anyone, was gonna post a little earlier, but I waited, pretty much everyone is on the same page. When do the 19's come out ? 😳 flhmanWe'll start that thread next week sometime. :P
Post by: jonny cash on August 22, 2017, 11:34:52 PM
Post by: iski on August 22, 2017, 11:45:52 PM
We'll start that thread next week sometime. :P
At this rate the interest in the 2019s will be more "WTF is HD doing?" instead of anticipation.
By then the color matched to paint tires should be ready. :-\
Post by: SDCVO on August 22, 2017, 11:46:02 PM
Unfortunately for me, nothing excites me enough to buy new, bummer!Luckily for me I agree...
Post by: Pan1 on August 22, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Not sure where the radiators are but for 41k they must be somewhere. It's going to be a bad year for dealerships
Post by: Royalroadie on August 22, 2017, 11:57:45 PM
JUST MY 2cents worth. No Harley stock for me.
Post by: us1fountain on August 22, 2017, 11:58:59 PM
Makes my CandyColbalt/Indigo Ink w/chrome look sooooo good!
I did see the CVO SG's now have speakers in the lower fairing, and they look to be 6 1/2" also with a molded fairing mount, not like last yrs 4" speaker mounted on the flat snap in panel.
I can see me adding those speakers to mine, even though they are Booms. The Boom system has been just fine for me.
Post by: iski on August 23, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
Post by: SDCVO on August 23, 2017, 12:06:05 AM
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
It must be their way of clearing out all the 15's, 16's & 17's still on the sales floors all over the place!
A tad expensive sales marketing tool, but it should do the trick. :2vrolijk_21:
PS - I have never been so disappointed in a new CVO lineup. Simply terrible paint schemes, and a price increase to boot!
I'll just keep racking up the miles on my beloved Duracell.
Post by: fastfreddy on August 23, 2017, 12:32:11 AM
Post by: charles05663 on August 23, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
- Company Execs have shorted/dumped their MoCo Stock before the dealer show
- Purchased shares of Polaris (Indian)
- Waiting to make a killing on the above transactions
- Using the new bikes as a kind of natural selection to thin the stealership herd
The stealers probably picked up their cell phones, when they rolled out the bikes, and called their accountants and bankruptcy attorneys.
I am sure the stealers are longing for the old days where they could stick it to their customers.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: metfancowboy on August 23, 2017, 12:52:50 AM
Post by: guppytrash on August 23, 2017, 12:55:17 AM
Not sure how they justify the price hike.
Post by: Dacuda on August 23, 2017, 01:55:01 AM
Post by: bbrown on August 23, 2017, 04:39:16 AM
Post by: SSTuner on August 23, 2017, 05:22:14 AM
Post by: gpopvet on August 23, 2017, 05:46:18 AM
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2017, 06:14:21 AM
i wonder if they will do a anniversary bike . Or Is this it?? Surprised they do not have one like in 2003 2008. Etc.One bike in the CVO lineup has Annie paint. The Limited.
Post by: blacktop on August 23, 2017, 06:32:42 AM
PRICING
CUSTOM COLOR $ 53,699
ANNIVERSARY COLOR $ 54,999
Post by: fred786 on August 23, 2017, 06:53:46 AM
Post by: TN on August 23, 2017, 07:22:18 AM
Unimpressed
TN
Post by: newseultra07 on August 23, 2017, 07:26:47 AM
Post by: muddypaws on August 23, 2017, 07:30:21 AM
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 23, 2017, 07:37:08 AM
I have:
1. Great color and graphics
2. Screamin' Eagle logo
3. 117" Motor
4. Built Bottom End
5. Color matched Detachable Tour-Pak
6. Wireless head set
7. Paid Off Years ago and didn't cost $42K
I DO like the Factory installed 21" Loop up front. However, that's a easy fix.
Looks like my 2009 CVO Road Glide is a Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner again vs 2018 CVOs crop of bikes!!!
:bananarock:
YB
Post by: acevtwin on August 23, 2017, 08:42:38 AM
Post by: SHRADER on August 23, 2017, 08:44:58 AM
Two years ago the Factory guys that attended the CVO GTG in MV promised that they understood what a great many folks relayed to them about the fact that the paint on a CVO should really stand out from the paint on the regular line. I guess they must have fired them two guys or something because they really punted the paint this year.
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2017, 09:05:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rWwHiua28g
Post by: iski on August 23, 2017, 09:12:54 AM
Bet they look better in person, they always seem to. Some of these at first glance are as ugly as a bowling shoe. Sometimes in person they are too. Somebody, somewhere will buy one & they will like it. Am happy with mine, was not interested in an 18 from the get go. M8 will sell a lot of bikes. MoCo revised 2018 sales numbers down earlier this year, my guess is that was done after they saw what the 18 color schemes were going to be.
Post by: NH Bulldog on August 23, 2017, 09:22:08 AM
Post by: mark on August 23, 2017, 09:31:48 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2017, 09:32:46 AM
The Fat Bob looks like something from Mad Max (which may appeal to the younger, not currently purchasing HD's, crowd) but it looks weird in a Diaval/MGX-21/prototype vein.
The Street Bob, Low Rider, Slim, Deluxe and Heritage Classic do not have the adjustable shock knob in the same location as the Fat Bob, Breakout and Fat Boy. Where it B? By the way, the oil tanks on the "softails" are fake now...just for looks.
The Fat Boy in either 107 or 114 looks very different from the front with the new headlight but something I can get used to....just different
Why does the MoCo consider hot rod looks to coincide with blacked out? The RK, Street Glide and Road Glide specials have some interesting colors but only with blacked out mufflers and motors. Looks OK but not all enjoy the blacked out looks and may want this bike but don't want to spend the extra to change it all to chrome?
Why can't they offer some better stock paint jobs on the Freewheeler. Pretty much always been black, red or blue since they were introduced.
Some of y'all like the denim/flat paint but I'm not a fan. Chrome and shiny paint here. At least they finally ran out of smurf sprinkles for the hard candy look.... ;D
The 115 anni bikes. The anni Street Glide with that dang logo on the front faring looks like poo...not digging it at all. The anni CVO Limited looks good to me and the best color of any of the CVO's for 2018. I do like the red fade on the CVO limited but not at $43,000...sorry, $42,949.... >:(
I was hoping that they would do something with the Sportster line to upgrade the EVO based motor dating 1986 to something more modern however they keep on ticking so I guess why upset the apple cart. I'm betting at some point the MoCo really wants to move everyone from a Sportster to the new Street.... :nixweiss:
Overall, the new frame for the "soft-dyna-tails" or "dynatails" looks interesting and a good effort for those models. Time will tell how the monoshock works for those models. Good power options in the 114 for some and the 117 for the CVO's which will be good, stock power for those that don't want to go the pipes/heads/cams/tune route on an already way overpriced scooter. Colors are not the best this year and the only changes to the CVO are wireless headsets that, obviously, cost about $2,000 based on the price increase.
No disappointment here as I knew coming into it that there was nothing they introduced would make me trade in 2018....still love my 2015. However, there were some interesting developments for 2018. I will say that whomever is choosing the colors needs to be replaced before they start working on the 2019's.... :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: load97 on August 23, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
I guess Im in the minority. I was thinking I screwed up buying the 2017 CVO Streetglide. The 2018 Streetglide and Roadglide look to be a "Better" Orange than mine, And the 2018 CVO Streetglide comes with the 117" and 6 speakers.
I know the feeling. Our 17' CVO's are barely a step up from the 18' SGS models, seriously. Do the 18' SGS models come with LED blinkers now as well?
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
Bet they look better in person, they always seem to. Some of these at first glance are as ugly as a bowling shoe.
I think you are probably right, the depth of the paint will probably stand out but the designs sure are subdued. Maybe it will grow on us... but there's just not enough there (paint or otherwise) for me to remotely consider trading in a two year old bike I paid $40K for that I have 20,000 miles on. I'll put another 10K on the odometer this year and we'll talk about it next August. ;)
Post by: guppytrash on August 23, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
Im kind of surprised, I am in the minority. I like the new colors.
I liked the blacked out look on the red CVO limited. I think its going to look great in person.
What I can't get past is the street glide is a stripped down limited low. More money for less.
Most buy the street glide and add a tourpak anyway.
Here is a real "new bike" they would sell the crap out of... a limited with a quick detach tour pak and the stretched bags and stretched rear fender with suspension that was adjustable with a push of a button.
The biggest problem I have is the new bold price tag.
Wanna know how to end up with $25000 the easy way....... buy one of these at $45k, dump another $3k into it and wait 2 years.
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2017, 09:48:09 AM
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2017, 09:50:19 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that if you want the 115 Anniversary Blue CVO Limited, that's gonna cost ya another $1,000...puts it at $43,949... >:(
Add tax/license and a few other doohickeys and you have a $50K motorcycle.
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2017, 09:53:25 AM
Add tax/license and a few other doohickeys and you have a $50K motorcycle.
I purchased a used (slightly) 2016 340i Xdrive this past January and got out the door for less money than the MSRP on the new CVO Limited and got a CPO designation for extra warranty.
However, it did not come with a wireless headset..... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: tazmun on August 23, 2017, 10:09:32 AM
I purchased a used (slightly) 2016 340i Xdrive this past January and got out the door for less money than the MSRP on the new CVO Limited and got a CPO designation for extra warranty.That's why I'm adding another coat of wax to my old trusty 06 hand built CVO Ultra, and putting the money aside for my dream car, 2017 Shelby!
However, it did not come with a wireless headset..... :huepfenlol2:
Post by: iski on August 23, 2017, 10:11:54 AM
I think you are probably right, the depth of the paint will probably stand out but the designs sure are subdued. Maybe it will grow on us... but there's just not enough there (paint or otherwise) for me to remotely consider trading in a two year old bike I paid $40K for that I have 20,000 miles on. I'll put another 10K on the odometer this year and we'll talk about it next August. ;)
Yeah, I can remember when I began posting here in 2007 that there was already nostalgia for some of the "older" CVO models. Seemed a little odd but very similar to new model year discussions on cars/trucks. I really liked my new 2007. At first. Then $hit happened. I was in your mode "wait & see what the next year brings" for 2 years before the 2017s. 2015 looked semi-seriously. I was on a 2010, by then (5 years) the improvements were numerous.
Other than the M8 & suspension, the changes for 2017 were mostly small. One of the little changes I have liked best is the singe key fob. The old double fobs were a real PITA. The lids open/close a lot better, like that a lot compared to the older bags.
Will not be running to the dealer to scope these out. In a few years will be more interested, am still enjoying the new of my 17. The Rushmore bikes had a rough start, but looking at trade in & resale values it appears HD made some major improvements starting in 2014, according to the sales market.
Washed the bike this morning. Really like the way it looks in the sun when it has a good coat of wax.
Post by: flyguy on August 23, 2017, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: Puzzled on August 23, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
Discussing the '18 colors with a buddy...he described them as "dark," as in a mood. I agree. I seem to recall an article about automotive paint choices - that in a down economy, people tend to choose muted, neutral colors. In an up economy, bright colors. Seems HD has this backwards...I thought the economy was improving.I agree. For me I like the new color choices. My 13 has great paint however I would not mind having something a little more subtle paint wise
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
I agree. For me I like the new color choices. My 13 has great paint however I would not mind having something a little more subtle paint wise
Hearing that from YOU... Now I'm puzzled! ;D
Again, that is one awesome ride you've created. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Puzzled on August 23, 2017, 01:44:15 PM
Hearing that from YOU... Now I'm puzzled! ;DLOL. I am thinking fat front tire, 6 inch tapered bags and tour pack on the next one.
Again, that is one awesome ride you've created. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: smenard415 on August 23, 2017, 02:11:05 PM
I'm afraid I have to agree with Yellow Bird. Damn $41,000+ for a CVO Roadglide w/o a tour pak. What the hell???
My 2009 O/B CVO Roadglide is also paid for, has a tour pak, that great orange color that I still get comments on every time I take a ride and I too have the 117. I just don't understand how HD can charge that much for a bike that's not much different then the Special models at much cheaper price (all though over priced as well).
I already bought a BMW R1200RT to ride while my twin cam takes it's yearly dump. Maybe I'll buy a Roadglide Ultra for trips and just save the 2009 for playing around. Damn I thought $28,000 was ridiculous when I bought this one. I damn sure know that $41,000 is just not going to happen.
Oh, and like Yellow Bird I too love the screamin' chicken on the fairing. No doubt that it's a CVO when you see the chicken.
:soapbox:
Post by: harleychef2011 on August 23, 2017, 02:27:58 PM
Ok, looked these over last night during the launch. I formed an opinion first impression type deal but decided to sleep on it a bit and revisit this morning over the coffee.
The Fat Bob looks like something from Mad Max (which may appeal to the younger, not currently purchasing HD's, crowd) but it looks weird in a Diaval/MGX-21/prototype vein.
The Street Bob, Low Rider, Slim, Deluxe and Heritage Classic do not have the adjustable shock knob in the same location as the Fat Bob, Breakout and Fat Boy. Where it B? By the way, the oil tanks on the "softails" are fake now...just for looks.
The Fat Boy in either 107 or 114 looks very different from the front with the new headlight but something I can get used to....just different
Why does the MoCo consider hot rod looks to coincide with blacked out? The RK, Street Glide and Road Glide specials have some interesting colors but only with blacked out mufflers and motors. Looks OK but not all enjoy the blacked out looks and may want this bike but don't want to spend the extra to change it all to chrome?
Why can't they offer some better stock paint jobs on the Freewheeler. Pretty much always been black, red or blue since they were introduced.
Some of y'all like the denim/flat paint but I'm not a fan. Chrome and shiny paint here. At least they finally ran out of smurf sprinkles for the hard candy look.... ;D
The 115 anni bikes. The anni Street Glide with that dang logo on the front faring looks like poo...not digging it at all. The anni CVO Limited looks good to me and the best color of any of the CVO's for 2018. I do like the red fade on the CVO limited but not at $43,000...sorry, $42,949.... >:(
I was hoping that they would do something with the Sportster line to upgrade the EVO based motor dating 1986 to something more modern however they keep on ticking so I guess why upset the apple cart. I'm betting at some point the MoCo really wants to move everyone from a Sportster to the new Street.... :nixweiss:
Overall, the new frame for the "soft-dyna-tails" or "dynatails" looks interesting and a good effort for those models. Time will tell how the monoshock works for those models. Good power options in the 114 for some and the 117 for the CVO's which will be good, stock power for those that don't want to go the pipes/heads/cams/tune route on an already way overpriced scooter. Colors are not the best this year and the only changes to the CVO are wireless headsets that, obviously, cost about $2,000 based on the price increase.
No disappointment here as I knew coming into it that there was nothing they introduced would make me trade in 2018....still love my 2015. However, there were some interesting developments for 2018. I will say that whomever is choosing the colors needs to be replaced before they start working on the 2019's.... :2vrolijk_21:
Where you seeing the 118th bikes??
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
My bet is this has happened all over the country this morning.....
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2017, 02:39:10 PM
Where you seeing the 118th bikes??
I'm guessing you mean 115th anniversary bikes.
Here:
https://motorcycles.harley-davidson.com/
Scroll down just past halfway where it says "Limited Edition 115th anniversary motorcycles"
Looks to be 4 models with anni paint...fat boy, street glide, sportster and CVO Limited
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2017, 02:47:44 PM
I spoke with the sales manager at Bootlegger HD an hour ago. Two customers had deposits on 2018's with one on a CVO Limited and the other on a Ultra/Limited (non CVO). Both of them called this morning to cancel and get back their deposits... ...My bet is this has happened all over the country this morning.....
Well Haird, I didn't have a deposit down because I never want to tip my hand financially to someone taking my money... but the thought was in the back of my mind when my dealer told me "wait until you see what's up in '18!" Now that I know "what's up" I think I'll just do a preventative replacement of my lifters and continue to enjoy this bike as the good Lord intended. Fact is if someone asked me about getting into the HD touring game right now I'd probably tell them to go buy a late model 103 RGU or Ultra Limited with low miles for well under $20K and climb aboard. Proven platform, reasonable price, let's ride.
Post by: aclass on August 23, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
greetings,Got that right!
I'm afraid I have to agree with Yellow Bird. Damn $41,000+ for a CVO Roadglide w/o a tour pak. What the hell???
My 2009 O/B CVO Roadglide is also paid for, has a tour pak, that great orange color that I still get comments on every time I take a ride and I too have the 117. I just don't understand how HD can charge that much for a bike that's not much different then the Special models at much cheaper price (all though over priced as well).
I already bought a BMW R1200RT to ride while my twin cam takes it's yearly dump. Maybe I'll buy a Roadglide Ultra for trips and just save the 2009 for playing around. Damn I thought $28,000 was ridiculous when I bought this one. I damn sure know that $41,000 is just not going to happen.
Oh, and like Yellow Bird I too love the screamin' chicken on the fairing. No doubt that it's a CVO when you see the chicken.
:soapbox:
Let me tell you what all you get for a 41k dollar vehicle in comparison.
I'm sure a personal view of the new bikes will make a difference but the website Pic's are not moving me.
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Post by: iski on August 23, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Post by: laylonlor on August 23, 2017, 03:56:58 PM
Post by: moscooter on August 23, 2017, 04:08:00 PM
Anyone else picking up on the '"trend" demonstrated often in this posting. Any guy out there that works in the paint shop at a body shop and is good with a paint gun has the potential to (make out financially) in the bike world.
It's (almost) ALL about the colors........the paint job and/or lack of an eye popping multicolored/pin striped/ clear coated sled.
Come to think of it, it was the COLOR that caused me to fork out for a CVO red SE Ultra back in 2009. Cause that damn red was almost a perfect match in color to my '39 Chevy streetrod and I just had to have it. :nixweiss:
It would seem to me that one could buy a (non) CVO model and hooking up with a good painter, he could get an custom painted sled done exactly to his specs for a hell of a lot less than a CVO costs. :drink:
Post by: MIKEYTEE on August 23, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Mike
:drink:
Post by: wachuko on August 23, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
But that Gunship Gray is a beauty!!! At least until they decide on bringing back a decent blue one...
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-2sm_zpsxwfrjrmj.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-1sm_zpsqqlviric.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-3sm_zpsynt4sld0.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-4sm_zpsdf93ksrd.jpg)
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2017, 05:23:13 PM
I am trying to remember what I paid for my previous CVOs.... not at home, so can't look it up... but it seems that the new ones are a bit of a jump...
But that Gunship Gray is a beauty!!! At least until they decide on bringing back a decent blue one...
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-2sm_zpsxwfrjrmj.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-1sm_zpsqqlviric.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-3sm_zpsynt4sld0.jpg)
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/wachuko/RGC-CVO/cvo-road-glide-gallery-4sm_zpsdf93ksrd.jpg)
Sorry, but in my world the only thing nice about it is the seat!
To each their own.
Post by: b407driver on August 23, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
41 k , and they want set up and freight too, :nixweiss:lmao
Speaking of freight, does anyone know what the freight charges are for the '18's? Can't find it anywhere on the website.....I figure the dealers will attempt to charge an arm & a leg if it's not listed. Tried to find the price on the ABS option too.....
Post by: ultrafxr on August 23, 2017, 05:44:39 PM
Sorry, but in my world the only thing nice about it is the seat!Agree. The seat is quite nice. As for the rest - yuk.
To each their own.
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 23, 2017, 05:57:36 PM
Agree. The seat is quite nice. As for the rest - yuk.
Not sure if you guys have seen bikes from BX Customs (the bike exchange) but they basically copied the BX seat.
Post by: Phreakyz on August 23, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
Sorry, but in my world the only thing nice about it is the seat!
To each their own.
Reminds me of Primer Gray...
Post by: tazmun on August 23, 2017, 06:11:32 PM
Sorry, but in my world the only thing nice about it is the seat!
To each their own.
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I tend to agree, but my first thought when I saw the color was painted on the bags, "Property of the US Navy "!
Post by: Puzzled on August 23, 2017, 06:49:07 PM
Post by: newseultra07 on August 23, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
Post by: windjammer on August 23, 2017, 08:31:35 PM
Post by: mark on August 23, 2017, 08:35:57 PM
Reminds me of Primer Gray...
Primer Gloss? The problem I have with this paint (other than the blah color) is the lack of creativity. Basically, this paint job didn't cost anymore than the paint on a SG Special...but you're still paying a CVO price. I just don't see these being in demand. And whoever posted that the blue anni paint on the SG looked like poo was right. Would anyone on this forum ride that?
Post by: Puzzled on August 23, 2017, 08:38:51 PM
At 41K that is half the cost of the Heartland Road Warrior 427 I've been eyeing.....
Post by: fastfreddy on August 23, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
5k more than my 13, bigger motor, new motor design, beefier front end, 21" wheel, better radio. I think 41K for a motorcycle is crazy than again I cut a 36K motorcycle up so I guess for me it all relevant......Puzz, if anyone can make a believer out of the nay sayers, its you :2vrolijk_21:
At 41K that is half the cost of the Heartland Road Warrior 427 I've been eyeing.....
Post by: ACfixer on August 23, 2017, 09:22:52 PM
And whoever posted that the blue anni paint on the SG looked like poo was right. Would anyone on this forum ride that?
It's pretty bad, but I'd say the eyesore award goes to the new Heritage. That hideous windshield looks perfect if you're in the parking ticket business.
Post by: bbrown on August 23, 2017, 09:41:04 PM
Post by: Phreakyz on August 23, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
I absolutely LOVE the 2018cvo colors .... and so should you......our used cvo's are now worth from $1500 to $4000 more as supply and demand economics takes place..."love it
Now that's some good stuff!
Post by: load97 on August 23, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Post by: Puzzled on August 23, 2017, 10:11:30 PM
I'm selling, you buying?:2vrolijk_21:
After yours is sold I'll sell mine...
Post by: charles05663 on August 23, 2017, 11:52:17 PM
As a Road Glide lover, it is the only bike I really look at.
Thank God I have the bike a perfect storm created: CVO, Yellow, Road Glide, and paid for! First time I saw it I had to have it.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2017, 12:17:13 AM
Post by: CVO Ries on August 24, 2017, 12:21:56 AM
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2017, 12:27:47 AM
It looks to me like they dropped the water cooling on the CVO Street Glide and CVO Road Glide and went back to oil cooling? I only see the tell tale radiators on the Limited...I wonder why?I think SG still twin cooled but RG not.
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2017, 12:35:53 AM
I'll take a grey one.... I think I can work with it... I have some ideas I'd like to try.....With what you do I would love to see you "do your thing" with a 18!! I think it would turn out amazing..
Post by: Phreakyz on August 24, 2017, 06:59:16 AM
It looks to me like they dropped the water cooling on the CVO Street Glide and CVO Road Glide and went back to oil cooling? I only see the tell tale radiators on the Limited...I wonder why?
I think they have just hidden it. There's a large contraption in the lower center near where the water pump would mount under the voltage regulator? :nixweiss:
Post by: Puzzled on August 24, 2017, 07:16:09 AM
With what you do I would love to see you "do your thing" with a 18!! I think it would turn out amazing..Thank you. I have compiled a small list in my head of things to be done and or that I would like to do. I really don't want to lose that 21-inch wheel however prior to seeing the bikes I wanted to go 180 x 21 front wheel on this bike.
Post by: Puzzled on August 24, 2017, 07:17:26 AM
I think they have just hidden it. There's a large contraption in the lower center near where the water pump would mount under the voltage regulator? :nixweiss:That is my thought also. I have a picture of what looks like a radiator underneath the regulator.
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 24, 2017, 07:34:57 AM
That is my thought also. I have a picture of what looks like a radiator underneath the regulator.
From everything I can decipher, that bauble hanging below the rectifier is a small oil cooler. The following touring models DO NOT have twin cooling:
Road King and RK Special
Street Glide and SG Special
Road Glide and RG Special
Electra Glide Ultra
CVO Street Glide and Road Glide
Freewheeler
Funny that twin cooling was the bees knees a few years ago and now only a handful of touring bikes remain. Ultra Limited, Ultra Limited Low, Road Glide Ultra (all 107 M8's) and the CVO Limited (the only 117 M8 twin cooled). Maybe that little experiment is going the way of the dodo....
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 24, 2017, 08:26:39 AM
I think SG still twin cooled but RG not.
Nether is twin cooled. The CVO Street glide does not have the vent for the fan. Look at specs its not listed as twin cooled.
I think they have just hidden it. There's a large contraption in the lower center near where the water pump would mount under the voltage regulator? :nixweiss:
Saw that on web site also. However in the specs its not listed as twin cooled, neither is the CVO Street glide. HD always has mistakes on their web site
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 24, 2017, 08:50:36 AM
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 24, 2017, 08:54:20 AM
I think they have just hidden it. There's a large contraption in the lower center near where the water pump would mount under the voltage regulator? :nixweiss:
Website has been updated/corrected
Post by: jaysails on August 24, 2017, 09:36:49 AM
Post by: jachd17 on August 24, 2017, 09:46:03 AM
Post by: Puzzled on August 24, 2017, 09:55:20 AM
Website has been updated/corrected
They caught one of their mistakes. That helps clear some things up though. I for one am not disappointed that the Road Glides aren't liquid cooled. Something I didn't care for when I road the 17 Ultra was the lowers were in my way. If I owned one I would have been cutting the lowers to allow my feet to move more freely.
Post by: Phreakyz on August 24, 2017, 09:58:45 AM
Website has been updated/corrected
Looks like your right! I went to Outpostalaska and looked at the parts. It's an oil cooler and they do not list a coolant pump or coolant hoses..
http://shop.outpostalaska.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Harley-Davidson%C2%AE/FLHXSE_1PXL_CVO_STREETGLIDE_(2018)/COOLANT_DISTRIBUTION/1PXL//2018/FLHXSE_1PXL_CVO_STREETGLIDE_(2018)//COOLANT_DISTRIB
Post by: Puzzled on August 24, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
Other than the 117 M-8 I see NOTHING that would entice me to part with my hard earned $$ to purchase a new bike. This line up (style wise) has got to be the worst I have seen from H.D. in memory. W.T.F.!
I am definitely in the minority here as I like all 3 Road Glide colors. I see potential in all of them. For me it is about time they departed from the norm and did something different. For the sake of Harley hopefully for as many that don't care for the colors there are just as many that do. I am after a M8 CVO RG bike and the fact that there are no lowers on the Road Glides is a win win for me. :orange:
Post by: bbrown on August 24, 2017, 10:34:59 AM
Other than the 117 M-8 I see NOTHING that would entice me to part with my hard earned $$ to purchase a new bike. This line up (style wise) has got to be the worst I have seen from H.D. in memory. W.T.F.!
I agree. I just returned from the dealer with the cash I paid in advance to secure a new 2018 cvo.
I am the 5th person to do the same . I am all for deviating from the norm but this is really bazaar...to much black out. I thought Matt finished bikes were not selling (new or used).
I know ...maybe they forgot to send the CVO's from the primer room to the paint shop....😳
Post by: charles05663 on August 24, 2017, 11:10:37 AM
From everything I can decipher, that bauble hanging below the rectifier is a small oil cooler. The following touring models DO NOT have twin cooling:
Road King and RK Special
Street Glide and SG Special
Road Glide and RG Special
Electra Glide Ultra
CVO Street Glide and Road Glide
Freewheeler
Funny that twin cooling was the bees knees a few years ago and now only a handful of touring bikes remain. Ultra Limited, Ultra Limited Low, Road Glide Ultra (all 107 M8's) and the CVO Limited (the only 117 M8 twin cooled). Maybe that little experiment isgoing the way of thedoo-doo....
Minor adjustments to the post.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: charles05663 on August 24, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
I am definitely in the minority here as I like all 3 Road Glide colors. I see potential in all of them. For me it is about time they departed from the norm and did something different. For the sake of Harley hopefully for as many that don't care for the colors there are just as many that do. I am after a M8 CVO RG bike and the fact that there are no lowers on the Road Glides is a win win for me. :orange:
Good new on this, you might be able to find one with a discount sooner then later.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: TN on August 24, 2017, 11:16:23 AM
Flowers and meat
TN
paint is someones military technology that HD purchased thru chinese vendor and it's proprietary to HD now so good luck on getting this very special stealth paint matched up down the road.
Post by: rigidthumper on August 24, 2017, 11:36:56 AM
Post by: mark on August 24, 2017, 11:53:49 AM
This has got to be somebody's idea of a joke from the Neanderthals in the marketing and paint department...."offset front graphic look good. Dumb masses [read those words quickly] will purchase. Company make money. Good for bottom line. Raises we get"
Haird, couldn't agree more. This is by far the worst paint/graphics I've ever seen on a HD. It's embarrassing looking.
Post by: laylonlor on August 24, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
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Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 24, 2017, 01:05:32 PM
I phoned my order in. :orange: the gunship battle gray is special paint for radar or laser pings.
Flowers and meat
TN
paint is someones military technology that HD purchased thru chinese vendor and it's proprietary to HD now so good luck on getting this very special stealth paint matched up down the road.
I like the BATTLESHIP GRAY CVO Road Glide. Kinda looks like the Toyota Tundra Pro Pick-Up Truck called Cement.
I just hope it doesn't attract any big freight liner ships like the Naval Battle Ships as of late!
:o
YB
Post by: iski on August 24, 2017, 01:07:25 PM
In the industry "set up and delivery" is known as "ADP" (Additional Dealer Profit). Started out as a small number, over the years it has grown to be a significant amount. When it was $199 I started negotiating it away long time back. Not always easy, not always possible, have walked away from deals over this. If the dealer is being adamant & you have your bike serviced there, a compromise is for them to "give" you that amount in service or parts or clothing. Downside to that is you are prepaying for something, but if the dealer won't offer that - fuhgeddaboutit.
Some people don't like conflict, dealers know this & that is why they push off stuff like this off on consumers. If everybody refused to pay, the practice would go away. They do not, so it is not.
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Post by: Toofast_28 on August 24, 2017, 04:02:05 PM
that blk. and white road glide some stealers had on the floor about year ago, for 50 k , was just to get us use to that sticker shock, lol ... so 42 k seems like a good deal now :mango:
my stealership sold a SG and a RG in that white/black for $53k in 2016. I saw one of them for sale with 300 miles on it for $24k OBO. Heck of a hit to take. Worse than the hit on a CVO after a year.
Post by: bbrown on August 24, 2017, 04:06:19 PM
Primer Gloss? The problem I have with this paint (other than the blah color) is the lack of creativity. Basically, this paint job didn't cost anymore than the paint on a SG Special...but you're still paying a CVO price. I just don't see these being in demand. And whoever posted that the blue anni paint on the SG looked like poo was right. Would anyone on this forum ride that?
you are so correct and the cost of powder coating is about 25 to 30% of the cost of chroming so the profit margin should be at an all time high. I wonder if the mat finishes are less costly too???
I have been a cvo fan since 1999 and have never seen anything like this. God I miss Willie
Just sayin
Post by: JR on August 24, 2017, 04:17:03 PM
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Post by: rayson56 on August 24, 2017, 04:59:35 PM
BTW I'm leaning toward the Dark Alloy & Black Denim SESG. Love the Orange accents, 117 and stereo upgrade along with ALL of the other recent upgrades.
Post by: Mickle on August 24, 2017, 06:11:59 PM
for the dealer to get back to me, anyone get a picture of one can you post it up please, nothing to look at in the dealers
here for a while and I know when I ordered my Gold Rush in 2014 it looked completely different in the flesh.
P.S I have seen the YouTube clips.
Post by: bbrown on August 24, 2017, 06:40:01 PM
I for one love the colour so much of the CVO Anniversary Ultra I have ordered one, hope I can get one down under, waiting
for the dealer to get back to me, anyone get a picture of one can you post it up please, nothing to look at in the dealers
here for a while and I know when I ordered my Gold Rush in 2014 it looked completely different in the flesh.
P.S I have seen the YouTube clips.
I agree that is really sharp. Sure wish I could that exact look on a sesg
Post by: grc on August 24, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
I'm thinking resale values on the 2016 and 2017 models just shot up significantly.
Jerry
Post by: muddypaws on August 24, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
Post by: FLH91 on August 24, 2017, 07:45:46 PM
Post by: Mickle on August 24, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
I'm thinking resale values on the 2016 and 2017 models just shot up significantly.
Jerry
Best you think again, mate went in yesterday down here for a change over from a 4 month old CVO SG with 7,000km to a 2018
CVO Ultra and they offered him 20,000AUD less than he paid 4 months back.
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 24, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
Best you think again, mate went in yesterday down here for a change over from a 4 month old CVO SG with 7,000km to a 2018
CVO Ultra and they offered him 20,000AUD less than he paid 4 months back.
Trade in value and resale value are completely unrelated. :drink:
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Post by: Mickle on August 24, 2017, 08:47:06 PM
Trade in value and resale value are completely unrelated. :drink:
Maybe so, but to me 20gs is 20gs
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Thanks mate, any of the CVO Ultra Anniversary?
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Post by: wrayzor on August 24, 2017, 09:40:36 PM
https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/color-shop-limited-series---velocity-pa-15-92200176ehh--1
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Post by: skratch on August 24, 2017, 10:11:07 PM
Post by: OBB on August 24, 2017, 10:17:42 PM
The good news is that they will have a 117 for the road King without lowers . But they have to really get help with colors. My 14 is still great at 50 ,00 miles have way home. BillyOnly if someone pays to upgrade to a 117. There's no RK coming stock with the 117. Only the CVO models which are the Limited, SG and RG.
Post by: bbrown on August 24, 2017, 10:17:50 PM
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Post by: charles05663 on August 24, 2017, 10:20:23 PM
A $5K paint option.....and bags extra????????
https://www.harley-davidson.com/store/color-shop-limited-series---velocity-pa-15-92200176ehh--1
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Now that is more of a CVO paint job. I guess they figured they could milk another $5-$10K from their customers who want a paint job that stands out.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: mark on August 24, 2017, 10:46:29 PM
:worthless:Have to agree - this looks more like a CVO paint job than any of the '18 CVOs, with the exception of the Limited CVO blue.
Now that is more of a CVO paint job. I guess they figured they could milk another $5-$10K from their customers who want a paint job that stands out.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
I for one love the colour so much of the CVO Anniversary Ultra I have ordered one, hope I can get one down under, waitingI agree, think its the best looking Ultra ever. Don't hate me..
for the dealer to get back to me, anyone get a picture of one can you post it up please, nothing to look at in the dealers
here for a while and I know when I ordered my Gold Rush in 2014 it looked completely different in the flesh.
P.S I have seen the YouTube clips.
Post by: SDCVO on August 24, 2017, 11:55:41 PM
I am definitely in the minority here as I like all 3 Road Glide colors. I see potential in all of them. For me it is about time they departed from the norm and did something different. For the sake of Harley hopefully for as many that don't care for the colors there are just as many that do. I am after a M8 CVO RG bike and the fact that there are no lowers on the Road Glides is a win win for me. :orange:Every year when the new models come out most on here talk about how ugly they are, how Harley is done, etc. From the pics I usually agree like I do this time but when you see them in person we start seeing people posting about their new bikes and how much they love them. I was that guy last year when I saw the pics I thought they looked horrible but the following week when I went into a dealer and saw it it took me about 10 minutes to decide to buy it and absolutely love it now.
All that being said I also don't love the paint jobs on the Roadglide and Streetglide from the pics ( I do love a couple of the Ultra's) but do love that they have changed things up on those models and am looking forward to seeing them in person. I also love that the Roadglide does not have lowers.
Don't mean to go against the trend here but I guess I am just being "Polly Anna" again
Post by: Mr. Warlock on August 25, 2017, 05:22:31 AM
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 25, 2017, 07:43:53 AM
I think I would like the orange one if it had the black motor and bars and so on.
The price jump is just crazy.
Post by: Billy on August 25, 2017, 07:58:45 AM
Only if someone pays to upgrade to a 117. There's no RK coming stock with the 117. Only the CVO models which are the Limited, SG and RG.I was trying to say that there is a chance that a CVO roadking would be possible without lowers. I hope. Billy
Post by: OBB on August 25, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
I was trying to say that there is a chance that a CVO roadking would be possible without lowers. I hope. BillyGotcha
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Post by: mark on August 25, 2017, 08:17:18 PM
"We put the 117 Milwaukee-Eight motor that the 2018 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide comes with to the test. We put it on the Dyno to see what kind of HP and TQ numbers it puts out. The new CVO put down a 93.75 HP & 112.51 TQ. We love the look of this model, the Gunship Gray is subtle, but super rad. Stay tuned for more on the CVO Road Glide as well as the rest of the 2018 Harley-Davidson Touring models."
Post by: CAmike on August 25, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
:worthless:Agreed.
Now that is more of a CVO paint job. I guess they figured they could milk another $5-$10K from their customers who want a paint job that stands out.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: Toofast_28 on August 25, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
FYI: from Bagger.com
"We put the 117 Milwaukee-Eight motor that the 2018 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide comes with to the test. We put it on the Dyno to see what kind of HP and TQ numbers it puts out. The new CVO put down a 93.75 HP & 112.51 TQ. We love the look of this model, the Gunship Gray is subtle, but super rad. Stay tuned for more on the CVO Road Glide as well as the rest of the 2018 Harley-Davidson Touring models."
So it's about 40 hp and 40 tq short of something with good cam/pipes/tune, right?
Post by: SDCVO on August 25, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
I am first in line for a CVO Road glide with the dealer I use. The first one they get is the Gunship gray. Should be by the end of the month. I want to see it in the sun. Most likely though I will pass on it. I am really leaning to the Black Earth & Vivid Black even though I usually like light colored bikes.Dave I figured you would be jumping on the new RG. Looking forward to your posts after you get it.
I think I would like the orange one if it had the black motor and bars and so on.
The price jump is just crazy.
Post by: Puzzled on August 25, 2017, 10:49:35 PM
So it's about 40 hp and 40 tq short of something with good cam/pipes/tune, right?
A solid 20 TQ from what Steve at Fullsac got from one of his builds with heads and his pipe.
Post by: Puzzled on August 25, 2017, 10:51:25 PM
I am first in line for a CVO Road glide with the dealer I use. The first one they get is the Gunship gray. Should be by the end of the month. I want to see it in the sun. Most likely though I will pass on it. I am really leaning to the Black Earth & Vivid Black even though I usually like light colored bikes.
I think I would like the orange one if it had the black motor and bars and so on.
The price jump is just crazy.
I'm in agreement with you there..... I haven't ruled it out however the grey is my first choice.
Post by: charles05663 on August 26, 2017, 01:52:54 PM
FYI: from Bagger.com
"We put the 117 Milwaukee-Eight motor that the 2018 Harley-Davidson CVO Road Glide comes with to the test. We put it on the Dyno to see what kind of HP and TQ numbers it puts out. The new CVO put down a 93.75 HP & 112.51 TQ. We love the look of this model, the Gunship Gray is subtle, but super rad. Stay tuned for more on the CVO Road Glide as well as the rest of the 2018 Harley-Davidson Touring models."
Maybe it is just me, I am somewhat suspect when a magazine, website, etc., has nothing but praise and no negative comments. I think they just are trying to keep their advertisers happy.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Post by: moscooter on August 26, 2017, 03:02:16 PM
Maybe it is just me, I am somewhat suspect when a magazine, website, etc., has nothing but praise and no negative comments. I think they just are trying to keep their advertisers happy.
:oops: :nixweiss:
::)
No, it's not just you. You're in fact making a very valid observation. But it's a fact of life when advertisers are a supporting arm of your business. :drink:
Post by: iski on August 26, 2017, 03:42:40 PM
Maybe it is just me, I am somewhat suspect when a magazine, website, etc., has nothing but praise and no negative comments. I think they just are trying to keep their advertisers happy.
:oops: :nixweiss:
Motorcycle magazine "reviews" read like motorcycle company ads. Not a new development, they are so happy to have a shiny new motorcycle they are just giddy with excitement. I always read them with a grain of salt, about as reliable as Consumer Reports car reviews (biased & not reliable from my experience either).
Post by: fastfreddy on August 26, 2017, 05:33:49 PM
Post by: moscooter on August 26, 2017, 06:25:06 PM
riding around Omaha a lill bit ago and seen a brand new Porsche pulling out of the dealer...you will never guess what color it was....GREY!! SHINNY GREY!!!! so now I know where HD got the idea to do GREY. and it had that bright azz green calipers on it, WOW !! same car greg k just bought but his is blue
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Yup, the color grey or (gray) as I see it.........is quite popular for Porches. A guy that ownes a restaurant in Calabash a few miles from here is on his second Porches and both have been grey/gray. Some might think of it as Silver in color.
Meantime, a personal question....I grew up in Omaha and my mother taught grade school and also junior high in Council Bluffs.........way back in the 50s and into the '60s. She taught at Hoover grade school and later at ............can't recall the exact Jr. High, but what ever was on that end of town. Did you grow up there and attend school in the area. :nixweiss:
Post by: Aussie on August 26, 2017, 06:39:47 PM
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I agree looks more like CVO paint. IMO CVO colours look more like standard rather than a custom.
Color shop will become more popular than CVO paint and with the limited number of paint sets available that will increase. JMO
Post by: Aussie on August 26, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
that is really nice...can I get that in a SESG???????😩
Here you go
Post by: trwtow on August 27, 2017, 08:27:15 AM
anyone have part# thanks terry
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Post by: bbrown on August 27, 2017, 10:24:55 AM
Last one, a little chrome on this one.
now that is a real CVO......
Post by: iski on August 27, 2017, 10:33:57 AM
now that is a real CVO......
One of the few. Best looking of 2018, from the pics.
Post by: Grizzly on August 27, 2017, 10:51:40 AM
Post by: acevtwin on August 28, 2017, 09:29:19 AM
like the seat on the battle ship grey roadglide and streetglide looks like orange stitching in it may have to get one for my 17I was thinking the same thing!
anyone have part# thanks terry
Post by: danner55 on August 28, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
CVO tank badges look like the womens belt buckle!
I'm surprised the didn't put the rhinestones on the badges!
Not impressed with the new CVO's & will be buying another extended warranty in January 18 for my 2011 CVO
Post by: load97 on August 28, 2017, 01:27:43 PM
CVO tank badges look like the womens belt buckle!
I'm surprised the didn't put the rhinestones on the badges!
Not impressed with the new CVO's & will be buying another extended warranty in January 18 for my 2011 CVO
If they do the rhinestones, they better use quality glue to hold them in. They keep falling out of my wife's bike lol. I do like the look of a couple of the CVO models. Just not the $2k premium over this years model, ouch.
Post by: 2soaper on August 28, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
Post by: moscooter on August 28, 2017, 06:39:56 PM
You can say it's an (age/era) thing and different age groups have each got to go thru the "drill". Translation.......meaning you're gonna fall for the anniversary color hoopla and pony up an extra 2K for the new sled. :confused5:
If you're really wanting to "deal" on a new Harley, I would suggest it could save you several hundred dollars to negotiate a deal on a new Indian. Then take that Indian or (their test "demo") and ride it over to your local Harley dealer and let them know you just can't make up your mind........Here is a new Indian that I kinda like and it's $XXXX) and you're wanting WHAT for that Harley. :oops:
Post by: mark on August 28, 2017, 08:24:42 PM
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You can say it's an (age/era) thing and different age groups have each got to go thru the "drill". Translation.......meaning you're gonna fall for the anniversary color hoopla and pony up an extra 2K for the new sled. :confused5:
If you're really wanting to "deal" on a new Harley, I would suggest it could save you several hundred dollars to negotiate a deal on a new Indian. Then take that Indian or (their test "demo") and ride it over to your local Harley dealer and let them know you just can't make up your mind........Here is a new Indian that I kinda like and it's $XXXX) and you're wanting WHAT for that Harley. :oops:
If he rides the Indian, he may not want the CVO.
Post by: cmashark on August 28, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
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Post by: Grizzly on August 29, 2017, 02:47:06 PM
About the only good thing with the FatBoy is the tank badge. I'm not a fan of the cut off front and rear fenders nor the squared headlight which reminds me of the Hondas in the mid-80's.
I feel they have taken way too much from the Heritage and really cheapened the look with all the blacked out parts including their iconic rims - and no passenger backrest.
And the Deluxe has really been chopped to bits, with no passenger seat, no back rack and not even the nostalgic rail for the rider's seat! And what the heck is with those signals?
I'm not certain who they are trying to attract, because (if anyone has seen prior years of these models), who would be attracted to less at a higher price?
:nixweiss:
On the upside, I'm glad they at least kept the Low Rider, and I think it looks much better as a Softail rather than a Dyna.
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 29, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
I've been looking closer at the non-CVO models and have to say that I'm also disappointed in those as well, especially how (IMO) the MoCo has destroyed the Softail line...
About the only good thing with the FatBoy is the tank badge. I'm not a fan of the cut off front and rear fenders nor the squared headlight which reminds me of the Hondas in the mid-80's.
I feel they have taken way too much from the Heritage and really cheapened the look with all the blacked out parts including their iconic rims - and no passenger backrest.
And the Deluxe has really been chopped to bits, with no passenger seat, no back rack and not even the nostalgic rail for the rider's seat! ?
And what the heck is with those signals
I'm not certain who they are trying to attract, because (if anyone has seen prior years of these models), who would be attracted to less at a higher price?
:nixweiss:
On the upside, I'm glad they at least kept the Low Rider, and I think it looks much better as a Softail rather than a Dyna.
Well stated, Grizz.
As for the turn signals, Polaris had all those extra Victory parts just laying around not doin' nuttin....
I agree with you on the Low Rider looking better as a Dynatail but except for being a bit cleaner (no shocks showing), it's really the only one that still looks like it did prior to the transformation....
Post by: Grizzly on August 29, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Well stated, Grizz.
As for the turn signals, Polaris had all those extra Victory parts just laying around not doin' nuttin....
I agree with you on the Low Rider looking better as a Dynatail but except for being a bit cleaner (no shocks showing), it's really the only one that still looks like it did prior to the transformation....
Good one Haird. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: iski on August 29, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
I like the bobbed/chopped fenders. With the wheels we have on these CVOs would be good to allow more of them to be easily seen.
Post by: Glenncarp on August 30, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
The all electric Harley flying drone bike will not be ready for 2018. The 2018 new bikes will look better in person than than they will look in the online pictures. Valve stem caps will be included on all new bikes at No Extra Charge.
Straight are stock, however angled ones are an upgrade. LMAO
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Post by: hotroadking on September 01, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Paint actually looks good, lots of upgraded details, front wheel is nice at 21 inch, and the best part, no lowers, the water head is gone! The one thing I hate the most about my 16 CVO is the lowers with the radiators, that engine setup needs to go...
Post by: us1fountain on September 02, 2017, 10:21:30 PM
The previous CVOs are custom painted outside of HD, part of that additional cost is reflected in the price. Is this new single color grey CVO painted in house or outside also? I think with the simple paint, that savings should result in a lower price for the '18. Plain paint, no water cooling, no chrome=higher cost. That 3rd amp and speakers must be where the price increase comes from.
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 02, 2017, 11:55:23 PM
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Post by: iski on September 03, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
And yeah, somebody will buy them, be happy, and love them long time.
Post by: Grumpy110 on September 03, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
Just to give a perspective on the new price for a CVO bike here in Canada.... a 2018 CVO Street Glide is presently advertised by a local HD dealer for $51,712.00 plus our Ontario 13% sales tax. Total approx. $58,434 plus any other add-ons. Say you take the generous HD interest rate of 8.99% that's gives you a monthly payment of about $1,212 for 60 months = $72,720 total cost.
Okay, then...I'll take 2!!! :orange:.
And on the other costs...licence plate fees $120 / yr., $1,500-$2,500 per bike /yr. insurance, 91 gas now about $5.53 / US gal. ($6.63 / Imp. gal.)
And now you know why I'm GRUMPY!!! :-\
Post by: iski on September 03, 2017, 01:08:11 PM
Post by: Grumpy110 on September 03, 2017, 03:24:53 PM
No wonder Florida has so many Canadian visitors every winter. If you buy a bike in the USA do you have to pay an import fee?
Yes, but HD only allows a Canadian resident to purchase a used bike in States. We then have to pay provincial sales tax (8% in Ont.) on any bike imported (value converted from US dollars to CDN) plus a Federal import fee - $295 plus taxes (13%). Most states do not refund their own state tax/local taxes so we also pay the taxes there and here too.
In addition, our Federal Gov't wants any bike imported to be converted to our federal vehicle standards which includes lighting and speedo changed from miles to kilometers. In the case of a SG / RG models this includes not only a new speedo, but the purchase/install a new rear fender too! Also, mufflers have to be factory certified for max. 80 db. and you need documentation certifying it has no safety recalls. I believe HD has started charging a fee for this, as well for the transferring of any remaining warranty to Canada.
Now as to the Snowbirds....those that own property and have US driver licenses can title a new bike as a US resident and then just leave it there. Once its no longer a current model year could then import it if they choose to.
Rob
Post by: Grizzly on September 03, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
Another disappointing year for some, and by the looks of it, if I were buying I would probably be leaning towards a blue 115th Anniversary Street Glide. Unfortunately, in Canada it is unlikely we'll see more than a couple of those 115th bikes up here and they would inevitably go to those customers that are lucky enough to buy new bikes every year.
Just to give a perspective on the new price for a CVO bike here in Canada.... a 2018 CVO Street Glide is presently advertised by a local HD dealer for $51,712.00 plus our Ontario 13% sales tax. Total approx. $58,434 plus any other add-ons. Say you take the generous HD interest rate of 8.99% that's gives you a monthly payment of about $1,212 for 60 months = $72,720 total cost.
Okay, then...I'll take 2!!! :orange:.
And on the other costs...licence plate fees $120 / yr., $1,500-$2,500 per bike /yr. insurance, 91 gas now about $5.53 / US gal. ($6.63 / Imp. gal.)
And now you know why I'm GRUMPY!!! :-\
Hey Grumps,
I guess down in the Niagara region they get more for all kinds of things... I pay less than $900. for insurance and my licence sticker costs $84 per year.
I hear what you're saying on the new increase price of the bikes though, and the 13% HST is a killer of course.
So glad I still love my trusty ol' Duracell.
Ride safe!
Grizzly
Post by: Grizzly on September 03, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Yes, but HD only allows a Canadian resident to purchase a used bike in States. We then have to pay provincial sales tax (8% in Ont.) on any bike imported (value converted from US dollars to CDN) plus a Federal import fee - $295 plus taxes (13%). Most states do not refund their own state tax/local taxes so we also pay the taxes there and here too.
In addition, our Federal Gov't wants any bike imported to be converted to our federal vehicle standards which includes lighting and speedo changed from miles to kilometers. In the case of a SG / RG models this includes not only a new speedo, but the purchase/install a new rear fender too! Also, mufflers have to be factory certified for max. 80 db. and you need documentation certifying it has no safety recalls. I believe HD has started charging a fee for this, as well for the transferring of any remaining warranty to Canada.
Now as to the Snowbirds....those that own property and have US driver licenses can title a new bike as a US resident and then just leave it there. Once its no longer a current model year could then import it if they choose to.
Rob
On the warranty issue, it is my understanding that a Canadian who imports a US bike can not get a warranty, even if they've paid for it in the States. This exact thing happened to a friend of mine, and he went through hell trying to get back his money paid to a US dealer for the warranty when it was not honoured here.
Post by: iski on September 03, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
Yes, but HD only allows a Canadian resident to purchase a used bike in States. We then have to pay provincial sales tax (8% in Ont.) on any bike imported (value converted from US dollars to CDN) plus a Federal import fee - $295 plus taxes (13%). Most states do not refund their own state tax/local taxes so we also pay the taxes there and here too.
In addition, our Federal Gov't wants any bike imported to be converted to our federal vehicle standards which includes lighting and speedo changed from miles to kilometers. In the case of a SG / RG models this includes not only a new speedo, but the purchase/install a new rear fender too! Also, mufflers have to be factory certified for max. 80 db. and you need documentation certifying it has no safety recalls. I believe HD has started charging a fee for this, as well for the transferring of any remaining warranty to Canada.
Now as to the Snowbirds....those that own property and have US driver licenses can title a new bike as a US resident and then just leave it there. Once its no longer a current model year could then import it if they choose to.
Rob
Wow, that is a lot of red tape and BS. Gotta feed the government kittie. Expect autos would be similar, no wonder we have so many Candians with winter residences in our state.
Post by: moscooter on September 03, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
Begs the question (big time) WHY would one want to reside up in that cold country that remains that way for so many months out of the year. :-\
We used to go fishing each year out of Sioux Lookout, Ontario. It was normally close to June before (ice out) and one of our party went back up one year in Sept. and it was snowing. :oops:
The owners of our (Fly in fishing outfit) spent their winters in Arizona..................So, we're looking at a potential year of June/July/August and then it snows and gets cold again. WTF.
Great fishing and we all loved it..................but as a place to reside................................ :confused5:
Post by: Grumpy110 on September 03, 2017, 06:16:11 PM
Hey Grumps,
I guess down in the Niagara region they get more for all kinds of things... I pay less than $900. for insurance and my licence sticker costs $84 per year.
Oops, I'm bad, I renewed my bike sticker for 2 yrs and paid $84. I had just renewed the truck plate and paid the new fee of $120 for 1 yr., so guess that was still on my mind.
Was recently discussing higher insurance costs with several other Harley owners with newer HD bikes and mixed riding experience. They paid between $1500 and $2500 for newer bikes and fairly low deductibles.(<$2500)
Watch insurance brokers they like to quote you low so just sell you fire and theft, which provides you no coverage for vandalism, flying objects, little or no replacement value, and no accident forgiveness etc. (With our no-fault insurance that's a big one)
I guess I could always move up north and only pay $21 for plate sticker, and probably much less for insurance, but then their riding season isn't as long! ;D
Post by: Grizzly on September 03, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
Post by: flhse on September 03, 2017, 08:26:20 PM
Agreed. A big part of why I have bought CVOs is the paint or graphics set them apart from the rest of the bikes. With flat paint blacked out bikes, they look like a regular bike flat painted or blacked out. The 117 engine is great and all and so are the heated grips/seat and of course the wireless headset (I don't use the CB & rarely use a helmet headset) so for me less is not more when it comes to CVO vs regular lineup.
And yeah, somebody will buy them, be happy, and love them long time.
Well, I stood by a new red CVO limited with basically no chrome yesterday, ummm, no, not for me. If I didn't know ahead of time what a 2018 CVO was, I would not have picked it out of the line. Blends right in with the others with the exception of the price. :thumbsdown:
Post by: Mano on September 03, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
Don't forget the wireless headset... ;D
And heated grips.
Post by: Mano on September 03, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
Another disappointing year for some, and by the looks of it, if I were buying I would probably be leaning towards a blue 115th Anniversary Street Glide. Unfortunately, in Canada it is unlikely we'll see more than a couple of those 115th bikes up here and they would inevitably go to those customers that are lucky enough to buy new bikes every year.
Just to give a perspective on the new price for a CVO bike here in Canada.... a 2018 CVO Street Glide is presently advertised by a local HD dealer for $51,712.00 plus our Ontario 13% sales tax. Total approx. $58,434 plus any other add-ons. Say you take the generous HD interest rate of 8.99% that's gives you a monthly payment of about $1,212 for 60 months = $72,720 total cost.
Okay, then...I'll take 2!!! :orange:.
And on the other costs...licence plate fees $120 / yr., $1,500-$2,500 per bike /yr. insurance, 91 gas now about $5.53 / US gal. ($6.63 / Imp. gal.)
And now you know why I'm GRUMPY!!! :-\
And don't forget about the extended warranty. That is a must.
Post by: Mano on September 03, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
And heated grips.
About heated grips. The 2017's SG were suppose to come with heated grips. When they got to the assembly line they could not install them on time. HD apparently advertised the 2017 CVO SG with heated grips. One person picked up on this and took in the brochure to the dealer and they had to install the heated grips at no cost to the owner. They are about $1 200 to install them up here.
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Seen some 2018's and I thought I would share. Notice the 2017 CVO SG in the back ground. This was un seen or heard of a few years ago to see so many CVO's at once. CVO's are now being pumped out like candy.
Post by: us1fountain on September 03, 2017, 10:13:59 PM
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Now that is sharp! Pic didnt show up. (The red fade Limited)
For all you Northern neighbors..... I'll go with you to the dealership and get your bike in my name, (your cash) and then I sell you the bike in exchange for a 12 pack of Coors Lite. Now you got a brand new used bike. :) Only down side is, Uncle Sam will want sales tax twice.
Post by: Bill E on September 04, 2017, 10:13:44 AM
1Picking one up in Wilmington, NC tomorrow!
Post by: moscooter on September 04, 2017, 06:26:18 PM
Picking one up in Wilmington, NC tomorrow!
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It would seem you are dealing with Beach House Harley which has multiple locations. I've purchased two from the one in Shallotte. They seem to be a fairly good dealer ship to me. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: Bill E on September 04, 2017, 09:56:18 PM
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It would seem you are dealing with Beach House Harley which has multiple locations. I've purchased two from the one in Shallotte. They seem to be a fairly good dealer ship to me. :2vrolijk_21:
This is my fourth Harley. The other three I purchased from the same dealer in Columbia, SC, which is my hometown shop, so I was hesitant. However, I can tell you the folks in Wilmington, NC have been nothing but great. Think maybe I was being taken for granted by the hometown dealer, so it's been great to deal with them.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 05, 2017, 07:47:15 AM
This is my fourth Harley. The other three I purchased from the same dealer in Columbia, SC, which is my hometown shop, so I was hesitant. However, I can tell you the folks in Wilmington, NC have been nothing but great. Think maybe I was being taken for granted by the hometown dealer, so it's been great to deal with them.
I picked mine up Sunday. I have 365 miles on her already. Really like the bike. The windshield is worthless and I replaced it right away. Could not hear sound system at 60 mph with the stock windshield.
Post by: msemersky on September 05, 2017, 05:13:57 PM
I picked mine up Sunday. I have 365 miles on her already. Really like the bike. The windshield is worthless and I replaced it right away. Could not hear sound system at 60 mph with the stock windshield.
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on September 06, 2017, 07:03:33 AM
Which driver backrest are you using on it? And which windshield? Bike looks great.
The back rest bracket and hardware is from CVObackrest.com. Then the pad is a CVO passenger back rest pad. The windshield is a Klock Werks 14" Sport Flair in dark smoke.
Post by: fred786 on September 06, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
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However, she never bought me a bike. :(
Congrats on your anniversary and your new ride for your bride. :2vrolijk_21:
Post by: fred786 on September 06, 2017, 03:45:44 PM
Post by: iski on September 06, 2017, 04:20:11 PM
Anniversary gift to my bride. Upgrade from 14 Dyna for her. Not a CVO but is a 114. My turn for new CVO next year. This year's did not do much for me.
Great gift, nice ride! :2vrolijk_21: Have not seen the new Heritage, pic looks great. Maybe 2019 CVOs will look better. My opinion....would not take much.