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[grc]

Duane, this oil pan doesn't have a stabilizer built into it. What it has is a nub on the bottom of the pan where you can bolt the Alloy Art stabilizer instead of using a 'cage' as is required on the stock oil pan. If anyone has the True Trak or the Ride Str8, or any other stabilizer, except the Alloy Art unit, they will not be able to use those units with these pans. This pan prevents access to the oil pan bolts as they are no longer exposed as before. I wonder if Alloy Art contributed to the design as you will be locked into their unit if you use this pan and want to run a stabilizer bracket.

I have a lot of respect for Bert's products, but in this case I think they have come up with a solution and are now looking to create the problem it solves.

I believe their description of how the stock pan circulates is intentionally over-simplified to make it seem like there is a problem with the design. While it is true both inlet and outlet are at the front of the tank, the internal baffles route the oil to the rear of the tank before it can make its way to the front and return to the engine.

Chief, you took the words right out of my mouth.  They seem to be implying that the hot return oil is just dumped into the stock pan right next to the pickup.  As you noted, that is not how the stock system works.  The real difference is the additional quart of oil and the larger surface area of the pan, both of which will contribute to reducing bulk oil temps.  The additional quart of oil is something I've always thought would be a good idea on a Harley, but I don't think I'd pay an extra $500 for the privilege of adding that capability.  

Jerry

[porthole]

But - if you start trying to justify the price you already lost 

[Chief]

Duane,

It sounds like you're real interested in an extra quart of oil in the system. There is a pretty easy and cheap to add extra capacity to the system and that is to plumb into the engine guard. From what I've heard, that will bump your capacity by about 1.5 qt. for about a 40% increase.

[skyglide]

Yeah I know, had you already not PC'd it this would have been just the ticket.

Still waiting to see how the stabilizer works.

But, 1 extra quart is 20% more oil - I'd like to have more oil 

The one thing I don't like about my Duramax is that it only holds 10 quarts of oil (Ford - 14 qts).
My dealer though recently helped me lesson my concern, started charging me for 12 quarts 

Add an oil bypass 2 filter kit to that duramax. You will get the extra 4qts plus longer oil change intervals

[mr_magoo]

How much lower does the pan sit?  Is it lower than the cross member?  Like the sound of the extra quart, but $500 is a lot for just a quart.

[Serkcus]

How much lower does the pan sit?  Is it lower than the cross member?  Like the sound of the extra quart, but $500 is a lot for just a quart.

Yeh but, didn't you see that they have a billet CHROME one !

[Twolanerider]

 but I don't think I'd pay an extra $500 for the privilege of adding that capability.  

Jerry

That was the part of the first thoughts that came to my mind as well.  "It's going to be expensive" for a problem that doesn't really exist.  Too many products are put before the masses knowing that if good spin can be given the buyers will come.  All kiding or teasing aside on this one, the enemy of cash in your wallet is fancy parts you never really needed to begin with.

[mr_magoo]

I think the need does exist for the people with 110in motors especially if it helps lower the oil temp.  I just hate to put a parade fan on any bike.

[Twolanerider]

I think the need does exist for the people with 110in motors especially if it helps lower the oil temp.  I just hate to put a parade fan on any bike.

Dave, I'm not sure an increase in oil volume would be a panacea for the 110s.  As lean and hot as some are the small difference from increased capacity is unlikely to save them.

[sadunbar]

Dave, I'm not sure an increase in oil volume would be a panacea for the 110s.  As lean and hot as some are the small difference from increased capacity is unlikely to save them.

I agree...an extra quart capacity will only delay reaching peak temperature for a few minutes.

On the racecars, we ran a dry sump system with a 10 qt. capacity - and oil temp ran 220.  We replaced the reservior with a 14 qt. capacity tank at some point - and oil temp ran 220...   

[Twolanerider]

I agree...an extra quart capacity will only delay reaching peak temperature for a few minutes.

On the racecars, we ran a dry sump system with a 10 qt. capacity - and oil temp ran 220.  We replaced the reservior with a 14 qt. capacity tank at some point - and oil temp ran 220...   

Precisely.  You can to some small degree delay the amount of time it takes it to reach temperature.  But whatever it is eventually going to get to it will get to.  That temp isn't a function of the oil volume.  And one quart isn't going to make a lot of difference on these motors.

[porthole]

either way, given a choice I would rather have 5 qts then 4 qts.

[Twolanerider]

either way, given a choice I would rather have 5 qts then 4 qts.

It's all in the perspective.  Less oil in the system is less to leak out of a 110 .

[porthole]

It's all in the perspective. 

Yes it is, a slightly bigger oil pan = more drag = a handicap for the red bikes and a plus for the others

[Twolanerider]

Yes it is, a slightly bigger oil pan = more drag = a handicap for the red bikes and a plus for the others

But.....  Think of all the advantage to be had from the triple red scenario.  Red bike.  Red powder coated oil pan.  Redline oil.  Escape to orbit velocity might be reached .