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[Twolanerider]

uh..JC; dd you forget our ride to Reno a couple of weeks ago?


Here in CA if you get a ticket from a camera you can go to court and demand to question your accuser. It’s a constitutional right. I got a red light camera ticket and did just that. It was dismissed.

That debate is so all over the map in different states right now it'll just give you a headache.  Eventually that very question will end up before The Supremes and they'll tell us whether questioning our accuser means questioning the instrument that was directly responsible for the citation or questioning those responsible for its maintenance.

The trend seems to be toward accepting the technology as jurisprudentially acceptable.  I can even understand the position to some extent.  But it worries me, a lot.  If eventually sanctioned completely it's the beginning of the steps toward onboard monitoring and wireless reporting by our own vehicles of our driving habits with citations stemming therefrom.

[hd-dude]

That debate is so all over the map in different states right now it'll just give you a headache.  Eventually that very question will end up before The Supremes and they'll tell us whether questioning our accuser means questioning the instrument that was directly responsible for the citation or questioning those responsible for its maintenance.

The trend seems to be toward accepting the technology as jurisprudentially acceptable.  I can even understand the position to some extent.  But it worries me, a lot.  If eventually sanctioned completely it's the beginning of the steps toward onboard monitoring and wireless reporting by our own vehicles of our driving habits with citations stemming therefrom.

Its a scary thought when you think about it. Pretty soon your checking account will have automatic withdrawals to the local jurisdiction for traffic fines.  [smiley=nervous.gif]

[WFP]

Let's talk the possibilities of easy pass toll systems.

Let's say it is 65miles between tolls on a 65mph road...they have you doing the distance in less than an hour...they could start ticketing automatically at only a couple of mph over the limit!  Glad they are not doin' it yet!

/Bill

[Twolanerider]

Its a scary thought when you think about it. Pretty soon your checking account will have automatic withdrawals to the local jurisdiction for traffic fines.  [smiley=nervous.gif]

While technically easy enough to do that's not a concern yet as the citation issued isn't a conviction.  Not until the conviction (or admission) has due process been rendered.  And property (i.e., money) can't be confiscated without due process.  

I know, I know, there are a myriad of exceptions with many being only barely short of confiscation (RICO and IRS actions being the obvious examples).  But for traffic fines we're probably safe for awhile yet  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[Fatboy]

 I noticed another creative way to mask your license plate today. A car in front of me had this round emblem of a star saying law enforcement booster or supporter etc.......anyway it was strategically located on the plate so that it obstructed the last digit.  Hmmm.........cop friendly/yet camera obstructive. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[JCZ]

uh..JC; dd you forget our ride to Reno a couple of weeks ago?
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Uhh.....nope, not at all.......did I get a ticket that I don't remember? [smiley=laugh.gif]   Or........did I just get away with it one more time? [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]

[Dr. Evil]

Just got my latest ticket from the "Safe Speed Camera Enforcement Program"

Hey Dr. Evil do you know of any trick to avoid detection?l (besides slowing down)

I need something [smiley=cry2.gif].

Looks like Hub beat me to the answer.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]  Good luck Chip.

[Jock]

Let's talk the possibilities of easy pass toll systems.

Let's say it is 65miles between tolls on a 65mph road...they have you doing the distance in less than an hour...they could start ticketing automatically at only a couple of mph over the limit!  Glad they are not doin' it yet!

/Bill

As I understand it we are there already...

[spydglide]

I've heard of some states doing that on certain toll roads.  Don't know if it's a rumor or fact.   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  But would appreciate any info that any of you have, esp. if it's up-to-date.   [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]  spyder

[grc]

Here's an idea from our British friends:

The Independent 06/14/05  
by Terry Kirby  

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At ¡7.95 a bottle, it's cheaper than a pair of green wellies but guaranteed to provide that authentic country look.

For the urban 4x4 in search of some rural street-cred the solution has arrived: spray-on mud.

Even though your 4x4 may never have tackled anything more arduous than a speed bump on the school run, you can apply Sprayonmud to give that country feel to your car. And with stones and grit filtered out, and a little water added, there's no risk of scratching the paintwork.

The new product is the brainchild of Shropshire businessman Colin Dowse, who claims it is selling fast, with many customers in the US, where SUVs are popular among urban drivers. It started out as just a pub joke about these people who live in London and drive 4x4s but who never go to the country, he said.

Mr Dowse denies that the real purpose of Sprayonmud is to obscure number plates to prevent them being picked up by speed cameras or, in London, congestion charge cameras.

[porthole]

Let's talk the possibilities of easy pass toll systems.

Let's say it is 65miles between tolls on a 65mph road...they have you doing the distance in less than an hour...they could start ticketing automatically at only a couple of mph over the limit!  Glad they are not doin' it yet!

/Bill

I wondered if the EZPass would be used for this, although in New Jersey they say no.
But, I took my EZPass statement and did some research. I found one trip coming home from work that showed a time stamp between two toll booths of about 7 ½ minutes. These two toll booths are approximately 22 mile apart.

That puts my speed at 176 mph. I can truthfully say that I don’t think my 1999 shoebox shaped Tahoe will do even 1 mph over 150
[smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[JCZ]

Like the CHP has to prove that their cars speedometer has been calabrated every quarter, for clocking speeds........I'd think that they would have to show that the clocks on their EZ Pass system are all calibrated and syncrhnized quarterly, also......in order to make the ticket stick.  If they're not doing that, then I'd fight it on the grounds that they haven't proven "beyond a reasonable doubt".

[Dr. Evil]

Like the CHP has to prove that their cars speedometer has been calabrated every quarter, for clocking speeds........I'd think that they would have to show that the clocks on their EZ Pass system are all calibrated and syncrhnized quarterly, also......in order to make the ticket stick.  If they're not doing that, then I'd fight it on the grounds that they haven't proven "beyond a reasonable doubt".

[smiley=nixweiss.gif] liberals......     so... do you suppose that a judge will side with you when the ticket is for 75... or 95... or 125+ in a 55?

I'm a speeder I assure you, so I'm not throwing stones.  But you should know that speed detection equipment is engineered to error on the side of what is being timed.  

They error in your favor always.... and MOST traffic court judges know that.  But you may get lucky... OJ and MJ are out playing golf together at Neverland.  Things ARE different in Cali.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]  Good luck with THAT defense.

[ccr]

[smiley=nixweiss.gif] liberals......     so... do you suppose that a judge will side with you when the ticket is for 75... or 95... or 125+ in a 55? ....

[smiley=vrolijk_4.gif] Thanks DJW,  I was trying to tell my new mechanic that I had this scary wobbling in the front handlebars that at 82 or up was annoying, but that at 110 it scared the heck out of me, and caused me to back off on the speed and I could not keep up with my husband on the way home from Myrtle Beach.  He looked at me at first like I was joking, but when he could see there was no humor in my eyes as was showing him how much my hands were moving, he asked me what I thought the judge would say to going more than double the speed limit in most states. Not that he was judging my speed for safety factors ---- but like you are hinting at DJW,  What sympathies can one lean on the judge when clocked at even close to that speed?   [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

Not that I ride like that all the time everywhere, of course, but I have to ask myself what tolerance should we be looking for. I use the ole 10 mile over the posted speed almost everywhere as a rule of thumb when I am in unfamiliar areas, the speed of my fellow travelers and I darn right obey the law in those areas known to be targeted by money making speed traps. We have a county in our back yard, Henrico County, that is famous for making a large sum of money every year for busting speeders. They have a no slack cut rule. One mile over is speeding. And they have a large enforcment contingency, and they make a lot of money.  Do not speed through their area - you will get ticketed.  Well maybe they let you go in the 5-8 mile over area.  

[JCZ]

 [smiley=nixweiss.gif] liberals......     so... do you suppose that a judge will side with you when the ticket is for 75... or 95... or 125+ in a 55?

I'm a speeder I assure you, so I'm not throwing stones.  But you should know that speed detection equipment is engineered to error on the side of what is being timed.  

They error in your favor always.... and MOST traffic court judges know that.  But you may get lucky... OJ and MJ are out playing golf together at Neverland.  Things ARE different in Cali.  [smiley=beerchug.gif]  Good luck with THAT defense.

It's not luck, it's law.  You, being an ex-law, would know that! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]