Topic: Help with Comm's Delemma and is bluetooth possible now?? (Read 5934 times)

fred786 · « **on:** January 19, 2016, 08:33:55 AM »

Ok, "my" situation. I am a Ride Captain and installed the CB transmitter etc in my 16 SG as sweepers etc are using the CB as standard means of us keeping the Cat Herding running smoothly. My bride finally decided she wanted her own ride and I just purchased her a Switchback. So, it would be nice to have a Bluetooth headset for the both of us say the Sena 20 so we can talk if just the 2 of us are out riding, plus the 20 will give her tunes (FM). However it would be nice to have 1 setup that would work with both the CB on the boom and be able to communicate via Bluetooth to her or the group. I have seen some posts that the Sena 20's or 10's along with the SM10 have solved the transmission problem of the CB via Bluetooth. If this is true can you confirm this, and could you show pictures of your wiring setup. Very much appreciated!

AMEDD_SFC · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2016, 12:36:10 PM »

http://shop.ake-electronic.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=627

This item was discussed elsewhere recently. I just can't find the post. It solves the problem of stereo and duplex with a cleverly placed button.

From their site:

Your Harley Davidson intercom is still working with cable helmet sets? No problem, with this Bluetooth Helmet Connector from AKE you can make your wired helmet connection of your Harley Davidson intercom Bluetooth capable. All other functions of your motorbike intercom, e.g. radio, navigation, two-way radio, mobile phone, etc. can therefore be used without cables. Bluetooth operation either in duplex or stereo. Switching Duplex / Stereo either by pressing the button at the Bluetooth Helmet Connector *. After activating both devices a signal in Duplex mode is transmitted to the helmet. If you want a specific of this operation after switching on, you can report this when ordering.

Looks like about three bones (including the power stabilizer) to get rid of the cable and use all of the Boom features.

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fred786 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2016, 08:12:42 AM »

Thanks Mark

Anyone on the form using this that can give us a review???

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2016, 08:43:06 PM »

This is an old post of mine on how I am using The Sena 20s and Sena BT10.
I have about 2300 miles on this set up and it works great

I set up a SENA 20S paired with SENA BT10 and was able to send voice commands to GPS worked great. Wired the BT10 into the 280plug in the fairing 2 wires I did order the plug from Ebay for $9 But not really needed. The BT10 is very small and fits in the USB compartment. It will also work to transmit on the CB and phone
For now I am only using it one way I listen to everything out of the speakers but it should also work 2way with the addition of 2 more wires. Both my wife and I can use the CB GPS and phone while talking to each other. You pair your phone to the bike. Pair the 20 s to the BT10. Hope this helps

fred786 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2016, 07:21:54 AM »

Any chance of a couple pictures of the wire setup? Sorry but I am IT challenged.

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2016, 02:04:33 PM »

I did not take any pictures but if you want to do it the same way I did you use a 1/8 speaker jack 2 conductor That plugs in to the Sena BT10
the other end 2 wires go to the empty 280 socket in the fairing to Mike +
and mike - you can buy the matching plug or just use the smallest female spade connectors you can find they should be red. You can call me if you want much easier for me to tell you how it works then to type it. It is very easy

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Chuck

fred786 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2016, 07:52:05 AM »

Thanks Chuck, found this http://www.sierra-mc.com/products.asp?cat=24 after going through Sena form. They are going to be at the speedway for bike week so I think I will check them out.

grv · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2016, 06:51:54 AM »

Quote from: 14CVOultra on January 22, 2016, 02:04:33 PM

I did not take any pictures but if you want to do it the same way I did you use a 1/8 speaker jack 2 conductor That plugs in to the Sena BT10
the other end 2 wires go to the empty 280 socket in the fairing to Mike +
and mike - you can buy the matching plug or just use the smallest female spade connectors you can find they should be red. You can call me if you want much easier for me to tell you how it works then to type it. It is very easy

434three seven 2 o614
Chuck

Chuck, specify please it is "BT10" these are http://www.sena.com/product/sm10/ or it is exactly "SENA Mic BT10" http://www.sena.com/product/bluetoothmicintercom/?
Vlad.

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2016, 02:39:47 PM »

This is what I am using.
http://www.sena.com/product/bluetoothmicintercom/?
Paired with Sena 20s.

Keep in mind I am only using this set up in one direction and that is to give commands to the GPS talk on the CB talk on my phone.
I listen to every thing on the Bike speakers. This works with 2 sena 20 s So that my wife and I can speak to each other and either one of us can speak to the bike. My 20s pairs to the BT10 the wive then pairs to me and the phones pair to the bike.
I believe it will work 2 way with the addition of 1 more wire but have not tested this because I rather listen to speakers on the bike.
The only other thing you need to do is Open the BT10 and un plug the internal Mike The way to do that is take the chrome ring around the top off and then the case opens up easy you can then see the little plug for the Mike just un plug the mike put all back together and your good to go after you wire the BT10 to the bike you just set the volume out of the BT10 so that the GPS understands the command it takes very little volume. Once you have everything working you do not have to touch the BT10 anymore you get on the bike turn on the 20s hit the botton it pairs to BT10 and off you go.

ultra98 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2016, 03:03:49 PM »

Quote from: grv on August 26, 2016, 06:51:54 AM

Chuck, specify please it is "BT10" these are http://www.sena.com/product/sm10/ or it is exactly "SENA Mic BT10" http://www.sena.com/product/bluetoothmicintercom/?
Vlad.

Hi Sena will release this soon.
http://www.sena.com/product/freewire/#specs

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2016, 05:13:30 PM »

Yes they are but with that setup it is made to plug in the head set socket in the middle of the tank so the cable draped across the tank and then you have to find a place to mount the device. I think it hangs on the bars

With the BT10 it goes in the little compartment is powered on and off with the bike thru the USB cable already in there. You don't even know its there and if want to play music from USB like I do you simply add a small USB Hub the one that I am using fits right in the slot of the compartment and gives me 4 USB slots
I use 2 USB drives and the BT10

This is the way I solved the no Bluetooth problem.
Its simple and it just WORKS for 33000 miles now.

grv · « **Reply #11 on:** August 26, 2016, 06:02:36 PM »

But it can be connected too it is reserved.
I haven't understood: all your talk it is heard in motorcycle loudspeakers?
The truth would be great to look at all your connections in photos. In words not really it is clear (((

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #12 on:** August 26, 2016, 09:21:48 PM »

I do not have pictures

grv · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2016, 06:32:44 AM »

then, at least scheme of connection, please

fred786 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 27, 2016, 07:22:57 AM »

First I see Sena is now HD's official Bluetooth communication provider and are now listed on the HD site. However they are not yet listing any comm's to enable CB communication. I did purchase the S20 clamp http://www.sena.com/product/20s-helmet-clamp-kit-for-cbaudio-of-harley-davidson/ back a couple months ago that was the cheapest means, but still corded but it has not met my expectations namely a lot of noise (static) when using it. Sena did offer a couple suggestions but thus far no luck. Going on a group ride today and will give it one last try. Sena has offered my money back.
In speaking with Sena they advised the Freewire would not be available now until November likely but as stated above you have to run your 7pin to it and then it sends the Bluetooth signal to the S20 headset.
I think with HD now in the picture and dropping the standard CB from most of their models you are going to see Sena move forward with these devices specific to HD owners. Time will tell. Of course there will likely be a premium for having the HD logo on the units instead of Sena's. Likely going to return this for a refund and wait it out for a while to see what comes out.

grv · « **Reply #15 on:** August 27, 2016, 03:30:32 PM »

But Chuck has a ready decision. And he says that it works well. There everything turns out is reserved and it isn't necessary wires 7pin. Especially as BT10 costs cheaper than Freewire. Only Chack doesn't want to show for some reason to us the scheme of connection, and from words not really clear

(probably my bad English is guilty

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WTF Chuck · « **Reply #16 on:** August 27, 2016, 09:07:47 PM »

1/8 speaker jack 2 conductor That plugs in to the Sena BT10
the other end 2 wires go to the empty 280 socket in the fairing to Mike +
and mike - you can buy the matching plug or just use the smallest female spade connectors you can find they should be red.
After you pull the front Fairing you will see empty 280 socket
Look at your service manual find socket # 280 it has the 2 connections that you need mike + and mike _

grv · « **Reply #17 on:** August 28, 2016, 06:35:22 AM »

thanks

. And further?

grv · « **Reply #18 on:** August 28, 2016, 07:08:10 PM »

Still questions:
1. And Intercom works through the motorcycle or just like couple of S20-S20 too?
2. S-20 needs to couple through Bluetooth to BoomBox!? Or only with BT10?
3. IPhon works through BoomBox! or only through couple to S20 and it it isn't necessary to couple to BoomBox!
4. I correctly understood that BT10 needs to be included in USB only for constant charging?
5. Where there is a sound from CB and the GPS command? On speakers of the motorcycle or the speakers S20?
6. Where there is a sound when listening music from the USB motorcycle? On speakers of the motorcycle or it is possible in S20?

thanks,
Vladimir

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #19 on:** August 28, 2016, 11:00:43 PM »

1. And Intercom works through the motorcycle or just like couple of S20-S20 too?

20s to 20s

2. S-20 needs to couple through Bluetooth to BoomBox!? Or only with BT10?

BT10

3. IPhon works through BoomBox! or only through couple to S20 and it it isn't necessary to couple to BoomBox!

I pair my cell to the Boombox

4. I correctly understood that BT10 needs to be included in USB only for constant charging?

yes

5. Where there is a sound from CB and the GPS command? On speakers of the motorcycle or the speakers S20?

Speakers of the motorcycle

6. Where there is a sound when listening music from the USB motorcycle? On speakers of the motorcycle or it is possible in S20?

speakers of the motorcycle

It may be possible in 20s but I have not tried it that way you would then need 3 conductor 1/8 plug

grv · « **Reply #20 on:** August 29, 2016, 02:34:53 AM »

Quote from: 14CVOultra on August 28, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

5. Where there is a sound from CB and the GPS command? On speakers of the motorcycle or the speakers S20?

Speakers of the motorcycle

6. Where there is a sound when listening music from the USB motorcycle? On speakers of the motorcycle or it is possible in S20?

speakers of the motorcycle

It may be possible in 20s but I have not tried it that way you would then need 3 conductor 1/8 plug

And where to connect him in the motorcycle? From 1/8 plug there are only 2 wires...

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #21 on:** August 29, 2016, 11:02:33 AM »

1/8 speaker jack 2 conductor That plugs in to the Sena BT10
the other end 2 wires go to the empty 280 socket in the fairing to Mike +
and mike - you can buy the matching plug or just use the smallest female spade connectors you can find they should be red.
After you pull the front Fairing you will see empty 280 socket
Look at your service manual find socket # 280 it has the 2 connections that you need mike + and mike _

grv · « **Reply #22 on:** August 29, 2016, 03:20:13 PM »

where to insert the 3rd wire? $:-\$ And from where this 3rd wire to take in 1/8?

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #23 on:** August 29, 2016, 07:18:38 PM »

You only need the the 3rd wire if you want to listen on the 20 s
and then you would need a 3 conductor 1/8 plug and as I have said I DO NOT
Have my system set up this way I listen to everything on the bike speakers.
I have not done any testing to be able to listen on 20s.
You can find an audio out pin on the 280 socket look at the service manual. I have told you all I know.

grv · « **Reply #24 on:** August 30, 2016, 08:00:05 AM »

thanks, Chuck.
I would like to make all sound and CB, and GPS in S20, but sometimes to turn on the music on motorcycle speakers. But generally I sluat music and messages in way, and on motorcycle speakers it isn't heard because of noise of a deafener and wind.
with the 280th connector I already understood everything... I understood how there to connect BT10? I don't understand where to take the 3rd wire and where to insert it that the sound would be in S20?

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #25 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:17:55 AM »

You would need a 3 conductor 1/8 plug.
The middle conductor on the 1/8 plug will be audio into the BT10
The wire on the other end would be connected to an audio out or AUX out pin from 280 socket.

3 conductor g m
1/8 plug === --- -- - TIP
1/8 plug TIP audio OUT of BT10 to mike in on 280
1/8 plug MIDDLE audio IN to BT10 to audio or aux must be low level out of 280
1/8 plug top is ground to ground on 280

AGAIN I WILL SAY I HAVE NOT TESTED THIS
DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK
I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING ON BIKE SPEAKERS
Good Luck

grv · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2016, 07:21:51 PM »

thanks, Chuck.
show please on this diagram what numbers of contacts it is necessary to connect on the 280th connector as you read

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2016, 08:55:48 PM »

Use at your own risk
I know the Red and Green work for Transmitting

grv · « **Reply #28 on:** August 30, 2016, 09:13:47 PM »

No. 4 same contact of the right earphone? You read what it can provide switching of a sound in s20?

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:09:33 PM »

I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT I HAVE NOT TESTED #4 I think it should work
I have helped you all I can I have TOLD you all I know
You must do the rest.
Good Luck

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2016, 10:55:46 PM »

I do not use the yellow wire you must test this yellow is to hear music on 20s
use at your risk

grv · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2016, 05:26:15 AM »

Quote from: 14CVOultra on August 30, 2016, 10:55:46 PM

use at your risk

thanks, Chuck.
I understood for a long time that on my fear and risk...

it is necessary to try your diagram of connection... I have old bluetooth Sena with an output 1/8 and USB.... it works at my place as the hub - tells music from the device without Bluetooth to Bluetooth - a sound. I want to use for an experiment instead of BT10.
PS.
I correctly understood that the built-in BT10 microphone needs to be switched-off in the BT10 casing, having torn from it wires?

WTF Chuck · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2016, 09:33:35 AM »

You should only have to disconnect mike in BT10 if using 2 wire 1/8plug
If you are using 3 wire the 1/8 plug should disable internal mike.

grv · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2016, 04:31:27 PM »

thanks a lot for patience, Chuck.
I will try

grv · « **Reply #34 on:** September 14, 2016, 06:39:21 AM »

I have made an experiment: I used two pieces of Scala G9. At one G9(1) has switched-off the microphone and in 3,5 I have connected 3,5 as has offered Chuck. I have connected him in 280, I have coupled to the second G9(2). The sound, teams and GPS from the motorcycle, as well as assumed Chuck, is heard in (2). At the same time sound only Mono

. Motorcycle (BoomBox!), unfortunately, doesn't understand my voice commands via the microphone (2) and doesn't hear. I will be grateful to you, Chuck, for your comments and opinion.

Author Topic: Help with Comm's Delemma and is bluetooth possible now?? (Read 5934 times)