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« on: July 06, 2008, 08:03:41 PM »

Has anyone used the Chatterbox system to talk bike to bike. My wife and I would like to be able to talk back and forth and I'm not sure what works well. Any advice would be appreciated. :nixweiss:
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 08:44:21 PM »

We just use a bike to bike bluetooth system installed on the helmets. Will check which one we use however, we bought it last year so I am sure some better ones are already available. The key is to use a system based on bluetooth version 2.0 as it gives a bigger range - up to 500 meters on an open road.

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 09:20:10 PM »

I use the Interphone Bluetooth Intercom. Works great. I used th chatterbox system before with goos results, but I persnally think the Interphone is better although it has a little less range which was around 1 mile on the chatterbox versus around 500 meters with the bluetooth system.

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2008, 09:24:14 PM »

Forgive my ignorance regarding bluetooth but isn't that like phoning or can you just talk like an intercom.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2008, 09:33:04 PM »

Forgive my ignorance regarding bluetooth but isn't that like phoning or can you just talk like an intercom.

The Interphone system works both ways, you can pair it to your cell phone and receive calls while riding (I dont use it for that) and you can also pair it to another Interphone system and use it as an intercom with your passenger or another rider.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 09:42:23 PM »

The Interphone system works both ways, you can pair it to your cell phone and receive calls while riding (I dont use it for that) and you can also pair it to another Interphone system and use it as an intercom with your passenger or another rider.

The only thing there I would be concern about is the distance,  I don't know either just asking the question too.  How far apart?
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 09:47:20 PM »

The only thing there I would be concern about is the distance,  I don't know either just asking the question too.  How far apart?

Up to 1 kilometer for me with the Interphone system. If you need more distance the chatterbox is a better option.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2008, 10:22:31 PM »

Just double checked. I also use Interphone. I also use it for intercom only and did not pair it with mobile phone (although its possible). I think it supports a few mobile phones while also working as an intercom.

Here is a link to an in-depth review.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-intercoms/interphone-bluetooth-intercom.htm

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 02:32:52 PM »

I have used the same set mainly as bike to bike communication and for listening to the voice guidance from the GPS (ZUMO 550).

Reception a bit noisy with open face helmets, need more wind protection.

I have experienced a few problems like broken cables in the boom mike and uneven battery capacity, but the shop have until now always given me new parts without costs, I only for postage.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 08:19:30 PM »

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22768.msg388690#msg388690

Wife and I just got 2 sets of the ScalaRider Q2 and tried them on Saturday for bike to bike. Great! Only got about 1,000 feet apart, but was working perfect. Didn't realize how easy riding together with voice was over the hand signals we've used for years. Only rule we have is no mindless jabbering. or singing.

Cellphone connection worked great. And I'll beam it to my Zumo (when I get it).

FM radio, not so much.

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 12:50:01 AM »

Check this thread on the Scala Q2 have 'em and very satisfied.

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22768.0;all
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 04:35:10 AM »

What about Scala Q2 and Open Face helmets?

Any ride reports?
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 06:06:00 AM »

What about Scala Q2 and Open Face helmets?

Any ride reports?

3/4 - OK

1/2 - boom mike is not quite long enough, but it does work.

I spoke with company reps at Americade and they told me more enhancements are in the works, the soonest being the ability to tie in iPods etc. Maybe speaker upgrades too.

You could use an iPod now with a blue tooth adapter, but the speakers are designed for voice, not music. They sound really good in conversation but the embedded FM radio is a bit 60's AM radio sounding.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 04:49:21 PM »

3/4 - OK

1/2 - boom mike is not quite long enough, but it does work.

I spoke with company reps at Americade and they told me more enhancements are in the works, the soonest being the ability to tie in iPods etc. Maybe speaker upgrades too.

You could use an iPod now with a blue tooth adapter, but the speakers are designed for voice, not music. They sound really good in conversation but the embedded FM radio is a bit 60's AM radio sounding.

3/4 will be OK for me, thats my favorite - but will the set up cope with the noise due to wind at highway speeds?
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 07:49:27 PM »

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2008, 09:12:52 AM »

Has anyone used the Chatterbox system to talk bike to bike. My wife and I would like to be able to talk back and forth and I'm not sure what works well. Any advice would be appreciated. :nixweiss:
We also have interphone, great system for $100 ea but only a 5 hr battery unless you manually put them in standby mode. Distance is adequate. Can only pair 2 interphones total and only one to a phone. Great product though and great company service.
the Q2 has a greater distance, can pair up to 3 together, and more than 1 phone or other device and has a 7 hr talk time. but is almost twice the cost
The old Chatterbox sucks, new one could be cool
Autocom works well but is not duplex and is expensive (will sell ours)
As I said, our interphone is great, but if the $ is not a factor, I would get the Q2 because of better features. Just my 2 cents. Roger
Btw. I hope your wife does not sing to the music, mine does so we may be getting her singing lessons  :)
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2008, 09:46:37 AM »

These links in the latest autoweek rag re: bluetooth for bikes

www.chatterboxusa.com

www.cardowireless.com

www.benchmarkhelmets.com

www.bluevirtu.com
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2008, 11:04:24 AM »

We also have interphone, great system for $100 ea but only a 5 hr battery unless you manually put them in standby mode. Distance is adequate. Can only pair 2 interphones total and only one to a phone. Great product though and great company service.
the Q2 has a greater distance, can pair up to 3 together, and more than 1 phone or other device and has a 7 hr talk time. but is almost twice the cost
Chatterbox sucks
Autocom works well but is not duplex and is expensive (will sell ours)
As I said, our interphone is great, but if the $ is not a factor, I would get the Q2 because of better features. Just my 2 cents. Roger
Btw. I hope your wife does not sing to the music, mine does so we may be getting her singing lessons  :)
what sucked about the chatterbox? A local dealer quoted me $500 per bike for interphone sounded way expensive .
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2008, 07:14:48 PM »

I didn't like the range on the chatterbox. It is just a low power frs radio. I really like the Nolan N-102 helmet with the N-com blue tooth system. I use midland 5 watt GMRS radios ($70.00 a pair) or a Midland handheld CB ($89.00) for bike to bike over the road, or the blue tooth for intercom or close range. The N-com also has a lower cable that plugs in the Ultra system. Really nice helmet also. The whole thing was expensive, but if I had all the money I have spent on garbage systems in the past, I could break even.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2008, 10:26:59 AM »

what sucked about the chatterbox? A local dealer quoted me $500 per bike for interphone sounded way expensive .
Actually I edited my post to state the "old" shatterbox sucks, the new system looks interesting. We also looked into Nolan and loved the helmets and the helmet reciever system for the "pods", however their rated distance for bike to bike was only something like 50'.
I can't imagin why anyone would charge $500 per bike? If you are refering to the Blueant interphone, a pair is about $212 on Ebay and a 5 min install on helmet.  Range is only rated at 500' but that works fine for us. Roger
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2008, 07:52:21 PM »

Thanks for all your help I found the Q2 at a fair price so I went ahead and ordered a pair, hope to see them Saturday. Again thank you all the info helped allot. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2008, 11:55:43 AM »

Thanks for all your help I found the Q2 at a fair price so I went ahead and ordered a pair, hope to see them Saturday. Again thank you all the info helped allot. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2008, 08:20:14 PM »

Got the Q2's installed in the helmet's , was very straight forward getting them to recognise each other and to set them up with our cell phones. Bike is down AGAIN so might be a while to report how they work but I most definitely will let you all know.  ;D
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2008, 09:04:31 PM »

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2008, 10:09:34 PM »

already done

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22768.0;all
Thanks, Thought I remembered seeing that thread. Like our Interphone system, but the Q2 seems the best way to go!
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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2008, 10:04:30 AM »

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=22768.msg388690#msg388690

Wife and I just got 2 sets of the ScalaRider Q2 and tried them on Saturday for bike to bike. Great! Only got about 1,000 feet apart, but was working perfect. Didn't realize how easy riding together with voice was over the hand signals we've used for years. Only rule we have is no mindless jabbering. or singing.

Cellphone connection worked great. And I'll beam it to my Zumo (when I get it).

FM radio, not so much.

Got 'em at Revzilla; free shipping, got 'em in 2 days.

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Curious, when your using the bluetooth connection to interocm and if you get out of range, do you have to re-pair the two devices? or will they they do this on there own?


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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2008, 11:30:46 AM »

the Cardo's will pair when they get back in range on their own. Sometimes it takes a minute.

And for the most part the headsets seem to stay paired even when you can't talk due to distance, no voice comms but still have static (within reason)
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2008, 02:03:31 PM »

the Cardo's will pair when they get back in range on their own. Sometimes it takes a minute.

And for the most part the headsets seem to stay paired even when you can't talk due to distance, no voice comms but still have static (within reason)

Thanks,, good to know. Looking for other options now that Harley dropped their bluetooth option.. I take it also if you pair to a GPS, like a Garmin 550, and you using XM or MPS that you receive stereo in headset?
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2008, 02:20:36 PM »

I take it also if you pair to a GPS, like a Garmin 550, and you using XM or MPS that you receive stereo in headset?

I am pretty sure the Q2's are mono headsets only-99% sure.  When I spoke with Scala, they "thought" a stereo version would be available Jan 2009..
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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2008, 06:29:21 PM »

I am pretty sure the Q2's are mono headsets only-99% sure.  When I spoke with Scala, they "thought" a stereo version would be available Jan 2009..

think i'll stick with the mono.. thanks
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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2008, 07:15:41 PM »

The Cardo can pair to a BT phone, BT GPS and I think 1 additional BT, plus the primary and secondary headsets.

The unit is mono with two speakers. I believe the speakers are really made to work well with spoken "voice. Not sure how well they would work with music.

As Bob said there will be options, there should be a mini jack option on the headset fairly soon, which would be a relatively "light" upgrade. The main brain is removable from the headset.
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Curious, when your using the bluetooth connection to interocm and if you get out of range, do you have to re-pair the two devices? or will they they do this on there own?

Sorry for the delay Gordy, but Porthole answered the way I would have anyway. Yes, it was Bluetooth, and I don't remember being out of range at any time.  The only problem we had on our maiden voyage with the Q2 was finding the buttons with gloves on, which became easier by the minute, and then remembering what you were supposed to do with the buttons. We only got about 100 miles on the set, and then the wife went in for minor hand surgery, so no riding for couple of weeks.
With the little we've used 'em, I love 'em!  I have the Nolan N42(?) N-comm that I bought for the communications, but ended up with the Q2 because it works with any helmet and had more features and more range.
I'm glad we got the Q2... now if we could just ride and USE them... :-\
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2008, 09:30:49 PM »

Sorry for the delay in reporting back on how the Q2 works. Finley got a chance to use them and they work great! I had a bit of trouble getting them set up for voice activation in that when I would talk normal nothing would connect. Found that you need to shout fairly loud to make them hook up , then you can talk normal. the other option is to push the mike button when you want it on and push it again when you want it off. As long as the mike sleeve is just touching your lips the volume is great. We separated about a city block and still were able to communicate. on a scale of 1 to 10 I give them a 9.5. Will be interesting to see how the work on our trip to California. :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2008, 10:58:39 AM »

Sorry for the delay in reporting back on how the Q2 works. Finley got a chance to use them and they work great! I had a bit of trouble getting them set up for voice activation in that when I would talk normal nothing would connect. Found that you need to shout fairly loud to make them hook up , then you can talk normal. the other option is to push the mike button when you want it on and push it again when you want it off. As long as the mike sleeve is just touching your lips the volume is great. We separated about a city block and still were able to communicate. on a scale of 1 to 10 I give them a 9.5. Will be interesting to see how the work on our trip to California. :2vrolijk_21:

Hey BigDog,,

thanks for the Q2 update. Don't know if your are aware but Harley discontinued their Bluetooth module, so many of us including me are looking for alternatives. Since my wife and i ride our own, bike to bike communications is top on my list. Your 9.5 rating is pretty darn good. Did you measure both ease of operation and voice quality? I'm assuming you were happy at freeway speeds? Also does the paring mode between bike-to-bike and cell phone and or GPS happen hands free? In other words once you pair everything, does the system switch between devices automatically?
thanks for your input.. real helpfull. At least for me.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2008, 11:05:56 AM »

Hey BigDog,,

thanks for the Q2 update. Don't know if your are aware but Harley discontinued their Bluetooth module, so many of us including me are looking for alternatives. Since my wife and i ride our own, bike to bike communications is top on my list. Your 9.5 rating is pretty darn good. Did you measure both ease of operation and voice quality? I'm assuming you were happy at freeway speeds? Also does the paring mode between bike-to-bike and cell phone and or GPS happen hands free? In other words once you pair everything, does the system switch between devices automatically?
thanks for your input.. real helpfull. At least for me.


Yes to all.

On occasion you might have to initiate pairing with your cell phone etc. For the most part though the phone stays paired while in range. The intercom units will "re-pair" to each other if the range is great enough that they stopped working (over 1/4 mile typical)

They seem to take a little longer to re-connect when you go out of range then when first turning on, but it really is no big deal.

As to opening the vox circuit, I found that when you want to talk just have the foam from the boom mike just touching your lip, this seems to open up the circuit with just a "hey" or calling the name of the other rider just slightly louder then normal conversation.

The units do not work that great on 1/2 helmets, the boom mike is not really long enough to reach your mouth and the speakers need to be close to your ears.

I have used a 1/2 helmet successfully, but as you exceed 50 mph it does not work quite as well.
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« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2008, 11:18:11 AM »

I have used the Chatterbox system with R.K. Classic, before going to the SEUC.
Was very pleased.
They have several models, so make sure to get the best which is what I used.
Range was better than our C.B.'s on Ultra's

If interested, I can inquire if my friend has the system that I sold him, he also has since purchased a new Ultra.

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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 12:55:16 PM »

We have used the Q2's more and I have got to say I am very happy. They seem to pick up road noise and stay on allot , but no big deal. we do have to speak loud to switch them on even with the mike touching our lips. I had some confusion with talk to activate or push button to talk , but we were making it harder than it needed to be ,just watch flashing lights when turning on. Sound quality is very good ,easy to hear what is being said. I highly recommend ,it has been nice to give a heads up when need be or just to point out something we see. We are using them on 3/4 helmets ,I can see how a 1/2 helmet would be a challenge. ;)
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 01:26:21 PM »

I noticed mine would kick on once in awhile with wind noise too, not a big deal though. Make sure you have the mic facing the right way too. I know there is a piece of tape that faces you mouth, but .... pull the sponge off and look at the mic, you can see a difference. And it makes a difference - go ahead - ask me how I know!
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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2008, 02:29:36 PM »

Here is another review of the Q2's.  I've been using them on 3/4 helmets with flip-up shield for about two months now.
* Bike to bike range is every bit as good as they say it is...maybe even better.  When in sight of each other, we get about 1/2 mile apart before they drop out.

* Sound quality is mono, and is marginal at best.  I ride a road king, so there might be more wind noise than on a full dresser, but above about 65 mph it is very difficult to hear what is said.  At about 75 mph they become virtually useless.

* At highway speeds the wind noise keeps them on almost all the time, which renders the FM radio virtually useless, since the intercom interrupts the radio.

Summary: As a rider to passenger intercom they are pretty good.  Also pretty good as a bike to bike intercom.  Don't get them for the radio...you will be disappointed.  I don't have bluetooth on my GPS (yet!), so I haven't tried that.  I'd give them a 7 out of 10 on the functions that I have been able to test.
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 02:36:47 PM »

Here is another review of the Q2's.  I've been using them on 3/4 helmets with flip-up shield for about two months now.
* Bike to bike range is every bit as good as they say it is...maybe even better.  When in sight of each other, we get about 1/2 mile apart before they drop out.

* Sound quality is mono, and is marginal at best.  I ride a road king, so there might be more wind noise than on a full dresser, but above about 65 mph it is very difficult to hear what is said.  At about 75 mph they become virtually useless.

* At highway speeds the wind noise keeps them on almost all the time, which renders the FM radio virtually useless, since the intercom interrupts the radio.

Summary: As a rider to passenger intercom they are pretty good.  Also pretty good as a bike to bike intercom.  Don't get them for the radio...you will be disappointed.  I don't have bluetooth on my GPS (yet!), so I haven't tried that.  I'd give them a 7 out of 10 on the functions that I have been able to test.

I have found, depending on your helmet, that speaker placement is critical. My helmet fits very close to me ears and I have had to play with the adjustment to get proper sound levels. Once the speaker is in the right place I have no problem hearing the intercom at any speed. Granted, I have only tried this with my full face (I reported earlier on the 1/2 helmet). On my setup full volume is too loud at any speed.

I think the speakers were designed for voice quality, and at that I think work very well. The FM radio is useless in my opinion though.

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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2008, 03:15:49 PM »

I have found, depending on your helmet, that speaker placement is critical. My helmet fits very close to me ears and I have had to play with the adjustment to get proper sound levels. Once the speaker is in the right place I have no problem hearing the intercom at any speed. Granted, I have only tried this with my full face (I reported earlier on the 1/2 helmet). On my setup full volume is too loud at any speed.
I think the speakers were designed for voice quality, and at that I think work very well. The FM radio is useless in my opinion though.
And on mine, wind noise in the helmet is such that I have to keep the volume on high to hear well.  Absolutely agree about the radio.  I don't listen to it anyway, but my wife is disappointed...she was looking forward to the radio.  Oh well, it's worth it just for the intercom...and the bluetooth for GPS if it works at least as well as the intercom.
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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2008, 03:32:39 PM »

And on mine, wind noise in the helmet is such that I have to keep the volume on high to hear well.  Absolutely agree about the radio.  I don't listen to it anyway, but my wife is disappointed...she was looking forward to the radio.  Oh well, it's worth it just for the intercom...and the bluetooth for GPS if it works at least as well as the intercom.
If you switch from voice activated to manual [ just push mic. button ] the raido should work for her.
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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2008, 03:57:27 PM »

If you switch from voice activated to manual [ just push mic. button ] the raido should work for her.
Good idea!  I'll see if she likes it in manual talk mode...Maybe she won't talk as much if it's manual :-X
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Re: bike to bike communication
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2008, 10:11:29 PM »

I just bought the Cardo Q2 for my trip to the 105th.  Same issue as others as I have a 1/2 helmet.  I was thinking of soldering some wire to the board inside the unit and connect a female plug that would connect to my ear buds (Shure 530's).  has anyone tried something like this.  The Shure's are 36 ohm and the Q2's are something around 8 ohm.  does this matter.  Thanks all.
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« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2008, 11:10:40 PM »

....and the bluetooth for GPS if it works at least as well as the intercom.

The bluetooth for the phone works excellent.
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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2008, 08:57:19 AM »

Can't beat the Scala Rider/Cardo for bike to bike.  I've tried it with both full face and 3/4 helmets but anything over 50 mph with 3/4 is useless.  With anything but a full face the wind noise will keep the comms open and the talk time isn't as long as what they say, 4-5 hrs max.   With a full face and the mic positioned properly, bike to bike is no problem at 70+ mph.

When paired with a GPS and phone it will take in priority: 1. GPS directions  2. Incoming phone calls  3. Bike to bike/passenger.  4. Radio (which is useless).   

Bike to bike comms are pretty much as advertised and when you're in sight, distance is marginally greater than advertised.  Pairing to any device should only be a one off but sometimes the gremlins get in.  I copied my contacts from mobile phone (cell) into my Tom Tom 2 and have the benefit of caller ID.  Outgoing calls can only be made while stationary but continued with while moving.

My wife has only recently started riding a big bike XL1200C and the ability to talk through traffic etc has greatly increased her confidence. 

It does everything they say it does as well as they say it does.  We're very impressed and rate it 9.5/10

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I would rate it at 9.8.  I think it is the best thing about riding together.  Warnings of obstacles, traffic, etc from the front rider is fantastic.  Only problem I have is the strange looks I get when I am p*issing myself laughing at something my husband has said to me that only I can hear !!!!!! not really a negative as I am a looney anyway.
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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2008, 10:17:04 AM »

If you have the mic so that wind noise is keeping it open that is why your time isn't as long.
Contact Cardo, see if they recommend a different sock. When I talked to the Cardo people at Americade they were very receptive to feedback.

We have gotten well over a days worth of riding with great results. The occasional glitch is far offset by the convenience.

Something to check, there is a yellow tape marking the mic, sometimes the tape comes off. You can look closely at the mic and see which way it has to face.

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« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2008, 10:46:18 AM »

If you have the mic so that wind noise is keeping it open that is why your time isn't as long.
Contact Cardo, see if they recommend a different sock. When I talked to the Cardo people at Americade they were very receptive to feedback.

We have gotten well over a days worth of riding with great results. The occasional glitch is far offset by the convenience.

Something to check, there is a yellow tape marking the mic, sometimes the tape comes off. You can look closely at the mic and see which way it has to face.


That explains that.  No tape on mine so I'll check it against the other. 

We got a couple of different socks with the sets so I'll try them both and compare results.  We've got a 3,500 mile trip coming up and I hope it continues to work as well as it has.
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« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2008, 11:21:23 AM »

I have used these quite often lately and further to my previous review I have found the following...If you use them for rider to passenger, or bike to bike, they are great.  But...if you pair the set to more than one other set, and try to swith between two sets they are virtually useless.  You can only swith from one to the other if both sets are "off line".  If wind noise is keeping either "line" open, or if the party's unit you are trying to swith to is in use by them, you get a busy signal.  It will become very frustrating to use these units when paired to more than one unit and trying to switch between the two.  I tried to find a phone number for Cardo to discuss with them, but no success.

I still like it for bluetooth and rider to passenger or bike to bike, but not both rider to passenger and bike to bike.
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2008, 12:17:01 PM »

I have used these quite often lately and further to my previous review I have found the following...If you use them for rider to passenger, or bike to bike, they are great.  But...if you pair the set to more than one other set, and try to swith between two sets they are virtually useless.  You can only swith from one to the other if both sets are "off line".  If wind noise is keeping either "line" open, or if the party's unit you are trying to swith to is in use by them, you get a busy signal.  It will become very frustrating to use these units when paired to more than one unit and trying to switch between the two.  I tried to find a phone number for Cardo to discuss with them, but no success.

I still like it for bluetooth and rider to passenger or bike to bike, but not both rider to passenger and bike to bike.

Tried the 'primary' and 'secondary' buddy thing also and I agree, it's virtually useless.  Too much pushing the mic button on and off, once and twice.  Got too confusing and couldn't remember how many times I had to push or had pushed so I gave it up as a bad joke.  Probably ended up pairing with a chinese satellite.

That aspect doesn't bother me though given that I only bought it for bike to bike for the wife and I.
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« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2008, 07:00:50 PM »

Well I have used the Q2 for a while now and I can say I like them a lot, But, does anyone else have times when the voices warble to the point of not being able to under stand what is being said. We have tried to figure out why , thinking power lines or computer hot spots but it just is not consistant. I called Scalla and they were of no help. So if any one else knows why please let me know. :nixweiss:
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« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2008, 02:26:13 AM »

Bigdog,

It's really hard to pinpoint what the problem is if it's only an intermittent fault.  Identify when it happens and as soon as it happens pull over and check your environment.  It could be any one of a myriad of things that cause the problem.  Go back through the same area and see if it happens again?  Is there an alarm on a bluetooth cell for example?  What's the distance between the two headsets when the warble occurs?  Are you holding your mouth right?

This probably doesn't help a lot but I expect that it's an environmental issue rather than equipment failure.  Try one or both of the headsets in different helmets and see what happens.

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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2008, 08:06:02 PM »

Thanks for your answer. We have tried putting something together and thought it could be like wireless hot spots but it happened while we were riding through the Red Wood Forest in California so that shot that down. We will keep looking for the common link. Have you heard of this from any other users.
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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2008, 10:42:45 PM »

Well I have used the Q2 for a while now and I can say I like them a lot, But, does anyone else have times when the voices warble to the point of not being able to under stand what is being said. We have tried to figure out why , thinking power lines or computer hot spots but it just is not consistant. I called Scalla and they were of no help. So if any one else knows why please let me know. :nixweiss:

bluetooth is a fairly weak transmisson path...  It's also easy to intercept - this is a shot of a bluetooth "gun"

This is the stuff I get to have fun with at work.

http://gizmodo.com/archives/bluesniper-rifle-and-more-fun-bluetooth-exploits-019037.php
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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2008, 05:11:23 AM »

Thanks for your answer. We have tried putting something together and thought it could be like wireless hot spots but it happened while we were riding through the Red Wood Forest in California so that shot that down. We will keep looking for the common link. Have you heard of this from any other users.

We have only ever had minor problems.  The most common we've experienced is when we are out of sight although still within 200 yds of each other.  The signal drops out coupled with other electronic interference (e.g. telecomms tower etc).   In those situations we re-pair and no further problems.  My wife was an electrical engineer and knows all that stuff far better than me.  I'll check with her and see if she can offer something better than me.
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« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2008, 05:12:44 AM »

bluetooth is a fairly weak transmisson path...  It's also easy to intercept - this is a shot of a bluetooth "gun"



What the hell does it do???
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« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2008, 07:41:44 AM »

What the hell does it do???

intercepts bt transmissions...
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« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2008, 09:42:10 AM »

So the gun doesn't "shoot" the transmission, as in blast it out of existance?  But by interception, does it hijack the transmission or just listen in?  Just interested.
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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2008, 12:22:47 PM »

So the gun doesn't "shoot" the transmission, as in blast it out of existance?  But by interception, does it hijack the transmission or just listen in?  Just interested.

listens in...more to my statement of the lack of security on BT then the interference. 

Its not a robust transmission path.
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« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2008, 10:02:09 PM »

Thanks for your answer. We have tried putting something together and thought it could be like wireless hot spots but it happened while we were riding through the Red Wood Forest in California so that shot that down. We will keep looking for the common link. Have you heard of this from any other users.
On the Nor Cal Tour this week in the redwoods, several couples are using the bluetooth via the Nolan N-102.  Terrie and I didn't have any problems and I didn't hear of anybody else having any problems.

Terrie and I use the Nolans when we're out riding.  At times a car or truck will get between us.  While the communication isn't as clear when there's a vehicle in the way, we are still able to communicate. 
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« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2008, 05:58:42 PM »

Found some distortion caused by yelling at 85 -90 on the highway. Wife had to yell because of the wind noise in my helmet (and my bad hearing).  Other than that, never noticed any distortion... always really clear. Now I find that at a stop when we take the helmets off, I'll be talking to her as if we were still connected. Other people have noticed me apparently talking to myself. No one, however, thought it all that strange.  :nixweiss:

Most times for short trips I set the mic for continuous 'on', so there's no delay when we talk. Handy in traffic. Funny to hear her engine noises. And she can hear my radio in the background. I have to contain my coughs, sneezes and belching out of respect now. Also my occasional extremely foul comments about cages.
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