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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2023, 07:56:51 PM »

It is truly sad this has happened to a new model release.
MOCO has acknowledge there is an issue with the new CVO's publishing a recall. This is good they are addressing the problem to reduce hopefully eliminate the issues.
With the RG's & SG's that have been totaled due to the issues and no fault to the owners will the MOCO step up to the table and replace them with no out of pocket expense.

This would be an honorable move for the company standing by there product. :)

Typical example, 2023 Ford released a new model build and replaced several vehicles that had issues at no cost to the owners, this is truly a great thing to do for a customer.   
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2023, 10:39:32 PM »

I thought these issues were at high speed... like 100mph?
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2023, 06:47:11 AM »

I thought these issues were at high speed... like 100mph?
The accidents talked about on FB were not at high speed. I think MoCo is just tossing out guesses quite like they did with the sumping issues on the early M8 engines.
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2023, 06:50:58 AM »

Here's the lead post to the start of that thread. This rider also stated similar conditions to the RG pix below. 35 mph zone with a passenger on the back.

Note what He said about the Milwaukee guy that came down and "fixed" it. Further into the post He talks about how the HD tech even felt the wobble in the rear end at time during the evaluation ride. This crap HD is chasing has nothing to do with the high speed issues.
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2023, 08:12:16 AM »

It is both models. I saw one of each that went down yesterday. The Road Glide was totaled at 30 MPH. The Street Glide didn't look to bad but still a lot of damage.

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Not same issue as CVO Street Glide.  Recall is for High Speed issues, 100 mph plus.   "Harley-Davidson’s 2023 Street Glide CVO is “Difficult to Control” past 100mph"

Road Glide rider is talking about the rear end.  Makes me wonder if it was something with  the enhanced cornering traction control, the enhanced cornering drag torque slip  control or any other one of the rider aids acting up?  Would be really said if it was a malfunctioning aid / sensor caused that.
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2023, 11:09:17 AM »

It is truly sad this has happened to a new model release.
MOCO has acknowledge there is an issue with the new CVO's publishing a recall. This is good they are addressing the problem to reduce hopefully eliminate the issues.
With the RG's & SG's that have been totaled due to the issues and no fault to the owners will the MOCO step up to the table and replace them with no out of pocket expense.

This would be an honorable move for the company standing by there product. :)

Typical example, 2023 Ford released a new model build and replaced several vehicles that had issues at no cost to the owners, this is truly a great thing to do for a customer.

That would nice of them, but I am sure the response will be "you have insurance"
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2023, 08:38:04 AM »

This is sad and an awful reflection on the MoCo. This is the Flag Ship top of the line model. HD is lucky there have ONLY been injuries and not deaths, as if injuries aren’t bad enough.

And still people will buy them.

But for how long?
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2023, 11:58:40 AM »

This is sad and an awful reflection on the MoCo.
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And still people will buy them.

Not everyone. 😎 🤣
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2023, 08:06:46 AM »

More I read about this the more curious I get.  Especially with the report on the Road Glide rear end at 30 mph.  All these traction control features are not new.  They have been optional for a couple years.

What caused that rear to get loose or wobble?  How many CVO road glides has this happened to? 
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2023, 10:17:38 AM »

The fix will be a liquid mercury level and 2 zip ties attached to the front of the frame that will turn off stability control as the liquid mercury ball touches the contacts at either side of the level.
Current R&D is returning positive results while using rider & passenger weight simulator bags attached on the seat.
As these kits are being delivered to the dealerships for the free recall it will be important that the rider read the sticker to be applied to the most centralized location on the fuel tank requiring both hands on the grips and avoid icy conditions.
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2023, 11:08:34 AM »

More I read about this the more curious I get.  Especially with the report on the Road Glide rear end at 30 mph.  All these traction control features are not new.  They have been optional for a couple years.

What caused that rear to get loose or wobble?  How many CVO road glides has this happened to?

I would thnk that you as an experienced rider of a new CVO and other previous year models would have detected a problem of this magnitude right away.

I am assuming you haven’t had an issue to date.

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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2023, 12:10:41 PM »

The fix will be a liquid mercury level and 2 zip ties attached to the front of the frame that will turn off stability control as the liquid mercury ball touches the contacts at either side of the level.
Current R&D is returning positive results while using rider & passenger weight simulator bags attached on the seat.
As these kits are being delivered to the dealerships for the free recall it will be important that the rider read the sticker to be applied to the most centralized location on the fuel tank requiring both hands on the grips and avoid icy conditions.

Or,… just build the damn thing properly. Are there any other major motorcycle manufacturers with similar problems?
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2023, 08:19:28 AM »

I would thnk that you as an experienced rider of a new CVO and other previous year models would have detected a problem of this magnitude right away.

I am assuming you haven’t had an issue to date.

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No, I have not had an issue.  I just don't get what when wrong with that Road Glide and its back end wobbling at 35 mph. 
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2023, 09:54:42 AM »

No, I have not had an issue.  I just don't get what when wrong with that Road Glide and its back end wobbling at 35 mph.
There is of course the possibility that the Road Glide @ 30 mph incident could be attributed to something other than a defect with the bike?   Uneven Road Surfaces, Contaminants on the road surface, Spray-tar-sealant on cracks...   It might be a little early to assume this was a bike flaw and not something else?   This is the only Road Glide incident I have heard of so far.
Not saying the guy is wrong or that it is not the fault of MoCo, I just feel it is a little too early to draw a conclusion.
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Re: This is probably old news.
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2023, 06:30:14 AM »

Not same issue as CVO Street Glide.  Recall is for High Speed issues, 100 mph plus.   "Harley-Davidson’s 2023 Street Glide CVO is “Difficult to Control” past 100mph"

Road Glide rider is talking about the rear end.  Makes me wonder if it was something with  the enhanced cornering traction control, the enhanced cornering drag torque slip  control or any other one of the rider aids acting up?  Would be really said if it was a malfunctioning aid / sensor caused that.

All of the accidents that have been posted on the internet have been a LOW SPEED rear end wobble. It has also just came out it might be a Bosch Sensor that is also involved. Soooo I'm thinkin it has something to do with a rider adjustable suspension. But I don't know for sure.

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