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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin’ Eagle® Softail® Springer® => Topic started by: rheiner on October 10, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
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I learned something new today about the difference between my 08 and 09 cvo springers. For those of you considering installing a tach on the handlebars of your 09, you'll want to know what I learned. I put the same tach on my 09 springer that is standard equipment on my 08 springer. When I took it out for a test ride, the bottom of the tach hit the spring bridge when I went over a bump. I thought that is strange, my 08 never does. I took a closer look and realized the 08 has a different riser stud than the 09 and it's about 1.5 inches taller than the 09. I looked at the parts manuals for both bikes and it appears the riser studs are the only difference so I ordered the 08 riser studs for my 09 (and the riser lock nuts that the supplemental service manual says should not be used again). The riser studs were about $56 each, not cheap. Until they arrive, to stop the tach from hitting the spring bridge, I had to tilt the face of it so far down I can't see it very well. I attached a few pictures here below so you can see what I'm talking about. By the way, on my 09 springer, I installed Black Pearl cables, black banjos and bolts, and Rinehart cross back exhaust, too. I'll post some pictures soon. The first picture below is my 08 cvo springer, stock (except the handle bars and windshield adapter kit installed). The second picture is my CVO 09 springer with the added tach installed but with the stock riser studs. I'll be changing it soon so I can read my tach.
Randall
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thats interesting, thanks for posting the info
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Looks great. Sucks you had to buy it, but well worth it.
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Is that a bugcatcher i see on your bike. Have looked at pics but have not seen any with windshield. Just wondering what that must look like with the apes you put on.
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Concerning the Rhinehart CB's, did they finally come out with an 09 version because of the wider swingarm or were you able to get the 08 version to fit? Looking forward to pictures. Thanks for sharing!
When it stops snowing here, I'll roll my bike out and take some nicer pictures of my new black cables, windshield I cut to fit the apes (and the windshield docking hardware powder coated in black gloss which is hardly noticable when the windshield isn't on), and exhaust. In the meantime here below are a few pictures of my Rinehart cross backs on my 09 springer. Supposedly, these are pipes not made for this bike, rather for the 08 and earlier softails.
I hated all the backfiring and lack of performance with the stock cross flow exhaust with Rush slip ons. I got totally spoiled with performance and torque with Rinehart cross backs on my 08 and I quit riding my 09. So I went ahead and took a chance and ordered the Rinehart exhaust. I expected more problems than I got. I had to use the thinner Screamin Eagle exhaust gaskets and old style exhaust flanges, but other than that I got the cross backs to fit nicely with no modifications. The clearance from the top oil line is tight but it works. It's only a breather vent line anyway. The oil leaks you see below the bike are not from this bike, but from when I changed the filter recently on another one.
After I put on the exhaust I spent the afternoon with a laptop on my back to collect data while riding to tune the bike with the Mastertune/Datamaster/Vtune programs by TTS. No more backfiring, no cost for a dyno tune and she runs like my 08, lots of power and torque, and yes, it sounds great too.
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rheiner how do you like the RH exhaust....
What are you using to program the ECM.....
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rheiner how do you like the RH exhaust....
What are you using to program the ECM.....
I love the Rinehart cross back exhaust. I use the Mastertune/Datamaster program by TTS to program my ECM. There are a lot of posts about it in the intake/exhaust/ECM heading on this web site.
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I learned something new today about the difference between my 08 and 09 cvo springers. For those of you considering installing a tach on the handlebars of your 09, you'll want to know what I learned. I put the same tach on my 09 springer that is standard equipment on my 08 springer. When I took it out for a test ride, the bottom of the tach hit the spring bridge when I went over a bump. I thought that is strange, my 08 never does. I took a closer look and realized the 08 has a different riser stud than the 09 and it's about 1.5 inches taller than the 09. I looked at the parts manuals for both bikes and it appears the riser studs are the only difference so I ordered the 08 riser studs for my 09 (and the riser lock nuts that the supplemental service manual says should not be used again). The riser studs were about $56 each, not cheap. Until they arrive, to stop the tach from hitting the spring bridge, I had to tilt the face of it so far down I can't see it very well. I attached a few pictures here below so you can see what I'm talking about. By the way, on my 09 springer, I installed Black Pearl cables, black banjos and bolts, and Rinehart cross back exhaust, too. I'll post some pictures soon.
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I did you have any problems with cable lenghts when you used the taller risers?
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I did you have any problems with cable lenghts when you used the taller risers?
No, because I used the same cable lengths that I used for my 08 springer (same Chubby handle bars) and the 08 has the taller risers from the factory.
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What was the cost of the riser studs and tach/mount
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That sucks about the tach not coming as a standard item on the 09's, when I purchased mine in Sept. I noticed the absence of the tach right off the bat, as I was piling on the extras, Detachable bags,race tuner with dyno time,sundowner seat for the long hauls and Vance & Hines Big radius pipes I asked about the tach and was met with more cunfusion than I would of ever thought possible. At first it seemed a simple $ 250.00 extra but spiraled into an hour and a half and $ 500.00 more then the original $ 250.00 anticipated cost!! $ 750.00 was what it was boiling down to and still a lot of confusion from the staff on exactly what it would cost and what parts it would take. So you kind of did the leg work for me and was curious what you ended up paying and what parts exactly were used, thank you very much and your scoot is looking awesome!!!! Thanks again !!
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Hello Rheiner
Just out of interest was the tacho illuminated in red to match the other gauges, assuming the 09 is still red !
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Hello Rheiner, My name is K-dog and I am new to the site, But what a great site it is. Anyways I just bought a 09' Softail springer just like yours and I am very interested in the Rinehart Cross backs exhaust you installed on your bike. I checked with my local HD dealer (ABC HD) to see about getting the setup you have. The only question is which old style flanges are you talking about having to use. They said the gaskets and download are no problem I just need to know which flanges to get. If you don't mind giving me the info it would be GREATLY appreciated :huepfenjump3:. You can email me at miller309@comcast.net or call me at 248-830-1346.
Thank you, K-dog
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Hello Rheiner, My name is K-dog and I am new to the site, But what a great site it is. Anyways I just bought a 09' Softail springer just like yours and I am very interested in the Rinehart Cross backs exhaust you installed on your bike. I checked with my local HD dealer (ABC HD) to see about getting the setup you have. The only question is which old style flanges are you talking about having to use. They said the gaskets and download are no problem I just need to know which flanges to get. If you don't mind giving me the info it would be GREATLY appreciated :huepfenjump3:. You can email me at miller309@comcast.net or call me at 248-830-1346.
Thank you, K-dog
Whoa there K-Dog! The dealer's asking YOU what flanges to use on an exhaust system for a HD that they'll sell you and install? Any red flags going up there? :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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It is a 08' set of pipes going on a 09' that it's not supposed to fit. In the post he says he had to use the old style flange which old style flange?
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It is a 08' set of pipes going on a 09' that it's not supposed to fit. In the post he says he had to use the old style flange which old style flange?
Is that the only restriction using an '08 pipe on an '09? The flange is normalliy held on with a spring clip. Easily removable. Can't they get the pipe, see what flange they need, then put the correct one on? If they make a flange for an '09, and it mounts the same way on an '08 pipe, where's the issue? Am i still missing something here? :confused5:
Hoist! 8)
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Hello Rheiner
Just out of interest was the tacho illuminated in red to match the other gauges, assuming the 09 is still red !
Yes, it lights up in red to match.
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What was the cost of the riser studs and tach/mount
The riser studs were $56 each. The tach parts were taken right out of the 08 CVO springer parts manual. The total was about $450 for parts (plus riser studs). I think they charged me an hour of time to install the tach (I put on the riser studs) but it might have been a little more. The best part about doing it, other than the tach, was having 1.5 more inches of rise on the handlebars. But keep in mind, you must put in the longer riser studs or the tach will hit the spring bridge going over bumps. Unless you want the look of the tach on the handlebars, it's cheaper to put in the speedo/tach. HD came out with a new one that matches closely the stock speedometer.
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It is a 08' set of pipes going on a 09' that it's not supposed to fit. In the post he says he had to use the old style flange which old style flange?
Sorry, I don't have the part numbers. My dealer knew what kind of flanges that were needed in order to make the pipes fit. The pipes barely clear the top oil line but it does clear by about 1/8 to 1/16 of an inch. However, it was a breather oil line so I'm not too concerned. If you are not confident with your service tech, I'd wait until Rinehart makes the pipes that they say will fit the 09 model and that they will cover under any warranty claim.
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Thank you very much for the info, it is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas. :2vrolijk_21:
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Thanks for the info and the scoot is sweeeeet!!!!!!!
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Is that the only restriction using an '08 pipe on an '09? The flange is normalliy held on with a spring clip. Easily removable. Can't they get the pipe, see what flange they need, then put the correct one on? If they make a flange for an '09, and it mounts the same way on an '08 pipe, where's the issue? Am i still missing something here? :confused5:
Hoist! 8)
Just to chime in a little late on this. The 08 pipes will not fit on the 09 due to the swingarm difference.
The 240 is on the 09, but anything that fits the Rocker will fit the 09 springer
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Thats what I've been told by the MOCO people!
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Just to chime in a little late on this. The 08 pipes will not fit on the 09 due to the swingarm difference.
The 240 is on the 09, but anything that fits the Rocker will fit the 09 springer
Ya, that's what the dealership at the MoCo told me, too, about Rinehart cross backs for my 09 CVO Springer. I bought them anyway and had them installed by their shop. See the pics of them above and right below.
By the way, I never posted a pic of the new riser studs I put on my 09 in order to get the tach to fit right. Here is one I just took this morning. Parden the dust. It's been a long winter. You can see the powder coated HD winshield adapter and black pearl cables, too. It's all working well for me.
Randall
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Stupid me ripped the wires out of my tach of my fxstsse2 tach and now I don't know what goes where. Can someone tell me where the black green and orange wires go? I'd be in debt to whoever it is
Thanks,
Tim
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Hello. Just bought my 2009 CVO Springer. WOW, what a machine. Want to fit a tacho, the local H.D. dealer has got the tacho brackets and everything except the spacers. Would you still have the part no.s of the spacers you fitted to your bike. I live in Townsville. Australia.
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Hello. Just bought my 2009 CVO Springer. WOW, what a machine. Want to fit a tacho, the local H.D. dealer has got the tacho brackets and everything except the spacers. Would you still have the part no.s of the spacers you fitted to your bike. I live in Townsville. Australia.
have your HD dealer look up the riser spacers from an '07 or '08 CVO Springer... :2vrolijk_21:
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Thanks for the quick reply.
Greg.
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I am also adding a tach on my 2009. I ordered everything including the riser studs as you mentioned. Is there a plug for this or a place to wire it in? I ordered the correct plug. Does the harness go into where the spedo is mounted? Thanks! Bob NY
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bob,
hopefully you've gotten an answer by now on where the wires go. If you haven't, I can tell you that I had to take mine into the HD shop and have them do it because the wiring got a little tricky. They didn't even know how to do it. Took them 2 hours to figure it out. They had to splice into the wiring harness under the speedo mount and install the correct plug to make a quick disconnect if I ever need to move things around. They did a great job and it was worth the $75 to get it done right rather than a long, drawn out, possibly disasterous wiring job I would have done on my own. They said that it was a tricky job for even the HD mechanics. I suppose you could do it yourself if you had an intimate knowledge of HD wiring but do you really want the wiring looking all chopped up under there if you screw it up? I wouldn't. Let us know how it works out.
PG
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Thanks for the info Quiet pro. I am pretty good with reading schematics so I think I can handle it. I would def. pay a dealer 75 to wire it though. I have the shop manual supplement & the direction I was going was leading me to the ECM. On the plug for the ECM port #3 is for a tach signal. I does not sound like thats the way the dealer did the install on your bike cause you have to remove the rear fender to get to the ECM according to the shop manual. So, this is encouraging. I know on most bikes the tach signal wire is pink. They must have went right to the coil. Since the coil is exposed, do you see any added wires on it? Regards, Bob
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Unfortunately I am not near my bike right now and I won't be until after the new year. If you can wait that long I'd be more than happy to take the speedo mount off the tank, take pictures and describe what they did to make it work. Between pics, description, your schematics and working knowledge the job probably won't be that bad. Like I said, if you can wait I have no problem doing that. Maybe it'll help out some other folks as well. Let me know. QP
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That would be great. I appreciate the help! Bob bikerbob4@yahoo.com