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[Kingspoke]

My primary motivation (performance aside) for opting for the S&S would be overall reliability and quality of components.  The failure of your motor, and many others, is prime evidence that Harley has taken short cuts in components, and quietly quit using the poorer quality lifters in the 13's on up for instance, when the lifter problem became apparent. 

You can get the CVO stone gray S&S 124 (0310-0512) for about $550 more than the 120ST (black), so not much of a price difference overall.  I've read numerous threads regarding S&S 124 vs 120R/ST coupled with Moco's propensity to cheapen up on parts, influences me to lean towards the S&S motor over the 120ST or 120R. 

[CVOSGJoe]

So reading over your post, I feel for you and truly that sucks about your motor. Before you invest in any motor whether is MOCO or others, do yourself a favor and look at the newly introduced 124" by Fuel Moto or any others of FM's for that matter.  These guys can do phenomenal things and are very reasonable.     No I am not a Fuel Moto salesperson, just a truly satisfied customer.  You won't find better in my opinion and that of many others.

[PeterJ]

Just had a call from the Dealership. Harley UK head office dudes are coming to the dealership tomorrow to look over the bike. Fingers crossed I get a good result from them.

[Kingspoke]

Just had a call from the Dealership. Harley UK head office dudes are coming to the dealership tomorrow to look over the bike. Fingers crossed I get a good result from them.

That sounds very positive!  That would be great if they stepped to the plate on this one, and would be great PR.  I hope they do the right thing and replace your motor!

[PeterJ]

I await the outcome. Here's hoping.

[ptnlinda]

Interesting thread looking forward to hearing how it all works out.

[PeterJ]

Update.
HD GB management visited the dealership last week. They have made a considerable cash offer to assist in the purchase of a new 120ST engine. This is great news. I wont go into the dollar numbers here on the forum but a new engine fitted is not the nicest of things to spend ones hard earned cash on, not really knowing if something else might go down in the drive train in the future. So I decided I am not going to go the route of a new engine. The dealership are going to strip the engine down at their expense to determine what has actually broken within the engine, and will let me know. But there is no denying that an awful mechanical clattering sound and oil smoke when the engine gets fired up and chunks of metal and various bits of bearings in the sump are pretty conclusive in knowing that the engine is shot. The engine has always used oil from the day one that I purchased the 2012 bike. Not a lot, but when I said this to the mechanic at the dealership he did think that the usage was excessive and that maybe there was an issue there from the start of the bike's life. Anyway, that's in the past. Now for the present and future?

Rather than a new engine, I proposed to the dealership that they take my 2012 FLHXSE3 as a down deposit on a new ride. We negotiated dollar (pounds) numbers and came up with a deal that we are both happy with. The dealership move the FLHXSE3 on to a custom shop and the engine goes the same way to be re-built.

In return, in a weeks time, once I get off this rig in the North Sea offshore Scotland, I travel down to the dealership, sign over the registration documents on the FLHXSE3 and put my signature on the sales / registration papers and ride out on a brand spanking new 
2016 FLHXSE in Carbon Crystal with Phantom Flames 

The bike is sitting in the showroom right this very minute with my name on the SOLD sticker keeping other folk's asses off my seat. 

I think a very unfortunate situation has been turned around into a win win for both myself and the dealership. OK its costing me money that I wasn't going to spend for a few more years, and yes the dealership have taken a bit of a hit on the trade in value of a broken bike. But we are both happy with the outcome. Dealership gets nearer to it's end of year sales target and I am happy to have a fabulous ride with two year's warranty. Lesson learnt however, I will be buying the extra two year extended mechanical warranty. A wise move I think. 

Any suggestion what tune I should choose to put into the BoomBox to ride out of the dealership.     Photo's will be posted of the new ride after I have physically sat on it.

Right, I better get back to work to pay for this CVO insanity.

One other thing, please don't ask me about what the dollar numbers amount to, that's between myself, the dealership and HD corporate.

[luc.who]

Update.
HD GB management visited the dealership last week. They have made a considerable cash offer to assist in the purchase of a new 120ST engine. This is great news. I wont go into the dollar numbers here on the forum but a new engine fitted is not the nicest of things to spend ones hard earned cash on, not really knowing if something else might go down in the drive train in the future. So I decided I am not going to go the route of a new engine. The dealership are going to strip the engine down at their expense to determine what has actually broken within the engine, and will let me know. But there is no denying that an awful mechanical clattering sound and oil smoke when the engine gets fired up and chunks of metal and various bits of bearings in the sump are pretty conclusive in knowing that the engine is shot. The engine has always used oil from the day one that I purchased the 2012 bike. Not a lot, but when I said this to the mechanic at the dealership he did think that the usage was excessive and that maybe there was an issue there from the start of the bike's life. Anyway, that's in the past. Now for the present and future?

Rather than a new engine, I proposed to the dealership that they take my 2012 FLHXSE3 as a down deposit on a new ride. We negotiated dollar (pounds) numbers and came up with a deal that we are both happy with. The dealership move the FLHXSE3 on to a custom shop and the engine goes the same way to be re-built.

In return, in a weeks time, once I get off this rig in the North Sea offshore Scotland, I travel down to the dealership, sign over the registration documents on the FLHXSE3 and put my signature on the sales / registration papers and ride out on a brand spanking new 
2016 FLHXSE in Carbon Crystal with Phantom Flames 
The bike is sitting in the showroom right this very minute with my name on the SOLD sticker keeping other folk's asses off my seat. 

I think a very unfortunate situation has been turned around into a win win for both myself and the dealership. OK its costing me money that I wasn't going to spend for a few more years, and yes the dealership have taken a bit of a hit on the trade in value of a broken bike. But we are both happy with the outcome. Dealership gets nearer to it's end of year sales target and I am happy to have a fabulous ride with two year's warranty. Lesson learnt however, I will be buying the extra two year extended mechanical warranty. A wise move I think. 

Any suggestion what tune I should choose to put into the BoomBox to ride out of the dealership.     Photo's will be posted of the new ride after I have physically sat on it.

Right, I better get back to work to pay for this CVO insanity.

One other thing, please don't ask me about what the dollar numbers amount to, that's between myself, the dealership and HD corporate.

glad it worked out for you. 

[Kingspoke]

Update.
HD GB management visited the dealership last week. They have made a considerable cash offer to assist in the purchase of a new 120ST engine. This is great news.

Rather than a new engine, I proposed to the dealership that they take my 2012 FLHXSE3 as a down deposit on a new ride. We negotiated dollar (pounds) numbers and came up with a deal that we are both happy with. The dealership move the FLHXSE3 on to a custom shop and the engine goes the same way to be re-built.

In return, in a weeks time, once I get off this rig in the North Sea offshore Scotland, I travel down to the dealership, sign over the registration documents on the FLHXSE3 and put my signature on the sales / registration papers and ride out on a brand spanking new 
2016 FLHXSE in Carbon Crystal with Phantom Flames 

The bike is sitting in the showroom right this very minute with my name on the SOLD sticker keeping other folk's asses off my seat. 

 A wise move I think. 

Great move on your part!   Well done!   It's great to see the dealership really worked with you!  That Carbon Crystal is pure beauty!

[PeterJ]

Not actually having sat on or walked around the 2016 bike, never mind having not even ridden it, I am wondering a few things if you knowledgeable 2014 plus bike owners can help me out.
1) Is the FM radio antennae at the rear of the bike, like on my 2012, or is it hidden inside the bat fairing? I don't actually see an antenna on the HD photos.
2) Does the 2016 Glide come with a two point docking hardware kit as standard OEM fitting.
3) Would the 2012 Touring four-point Docking hardware kit fit on the 2016 bikes or do I have to get a new hardware kit.
4) Would my 2012 Detachables Two-up Luggage rack and 2012 Detachables solo luggage racks fit on the 2016 bike?
And finally can you see the smile on my face knowing I only have nine days to go before I am on the road making some noise.  and then having a  to celebrate.

[CVOSGJoe]

Congratulations on the new ride. As you said a win/win for all.
2016 CVO has antenna hidden in fairing.  No place for rear antenna.
2016 CVO does not come with docking system, there is no more HD two point after 2013
2016 CVO will no accept a docking system from a 2013 or earlier.  Different mount style
2016 CVO with new docking will accept your luggage racks.   

Enjoy the ride and post pictures!!!   Your going to love the new bike compared to your older one.

[PeterJ]

Congratulations on the new ride. As you said a win/win for all.
2016 CVO has antenna hidden in fairing.  No place for rear antenna.
2016 CVO does not come with docking system, there is no more HD two point after 2013
2016 CVO will no accept a docking system from a 2013 or earlier.  Different mount style
2016 CVO with new docking will accept your luggage racks.   

Enjoy the ride and post pictures!!!   Your going to love the new bike compared to your older one.

Thanks Joe. Much appreciated for your feedback. Pictures for sure will be put up once I get off the rig.

[PeterJ]

Update.
I am going to wait for a bike to come from the States rather than the one presently in the dealership. Bike is on order, gets built in December and I collect from dealership mid January. I won't miss having the bike over the next few months of rain and salted roads. So pics delayed until January 2016.

[Twolanerider]

Update.
I am going to wait for a bike to come from the States rather than the one presently in the dealership. Bike is on order, gets built in December and I collect from dealership mid January. I won't miss having the bike over the next few months of rain and salted roads. So pics delayed until January 2016.

Better (to you) color?

[PeterJ]

Better (to you) color?

Better for the dealership to get in two sales rather than one. So I am deferring my ride a few months.
Gives me a bit longer to raise the $$$$$$$'s to pay for it and spend some cash on a hi res 4K Sony TV for Xmas.