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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin’ Eagle® Softail® Springer® => Topic started by: mavrik on December 21, 2006, 09:47:28 AM
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Finally.. 07 FXSTSSE 110 motor with new RB Racing LSR Pro Stock 2 int 1 2" primary c style
SE Air Intake... I am all ears from those with advice or information...
sorry it took so long
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This thread will contain dyno runs for the FXSTSSE. Share your dyno runs and list if any mods have been made.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I see a couple things. First is the big dip in torque under 3,000 rpm, that may contribute to the lugging you feel in that range. Hard to say, because the actual torque numbers in the middle of that dip seem adequate. There is no dip in torque with my stock bike, and it comes on near max torque at 2,250 rpms. I also see a variable air/fuel ratio in the lower revs that I don't see on my graphs. Wonder if this has anything to do with surging at low rpms? Finally, it would have been great to see the "before" graph, because that would tell us how much gain in power you bike had from the mods. I'm actually amazed at the peak power your graph suggests. Would like to see it done on another dyno machine to be sure it's real, but that can be pricey.
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mavrik,
Couple of observations:
1. "CF: UNCORRECTED Smoothing = 5" from the chart. SAE correction is customary, and necessary to make valid comparisons to other runs. ???
2. The air/fuel ratio below 2500 rpm is all over the place, going from lean to rich and back to lean. This corresponds to the dip in your torque curve. From 2500 to 5000, the A/F is leaner than what most tuners run for best "safe" power.
3. The rpm's appear to go to 6500 - why such a high rev-limiter setting? As you can see from the chart, power and torque fall off rapidly well before that point. I would recommend backing that off to around 5800-6000.
I probably missed this information, but what other mods do you have besides the LSR pipe and SE air cleaner? Your peak numbers look similar to what others have reported with pipes, air cleaner, and tune (hp in low to mid 90's, torque around 110-115), but that big dip at low speeds needs to be addressed. Could be the tuner, could be the pipe (I'm not convinced that a 2 inch I.D. head pipe is a good thing for a basically stock engine with an EPA cam).
Jerry
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Jerry,
thanks for the info... I will say that I think I should have went with the 13/4" pipes... I wonder what the torque would be with them vs the 2"...anyway I am having issues with lower rpms.. I don't think its the SERT... there is a lot of riders here in NEast Florida that feel that the local HD shops do not have a qualified tech... to be honest I hear that a lot from other parts of the country and from a lot of after market dealers... Crane Cams, SS and others...
The power range is only from about 3000 to 4000..... after researching the 110 motor I found out that as we know this is a new EPA restricted motor. The stock cams really hold this motor back... intake duration is only 211... HD's intent was to create a torque monster..... I have plans to add cams but want to wait about 6 months to see who comes out with some new designs for these motors..
I read where the rev limiter is set stock at 6500.. this an issue that I am having with the local HD because I put in writing to NOT EXCEED 5500 rpms....to be honest our local Ademac HD dealer is lacking big time when it comes to qualified techs in their shops.. this is common knowledge among riders here.
forgot to mention... what the sheet does not show.... I dropped to 30MPG...any thoughts
Dean
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............I read where the [highlight]rev limiter is set stock at 6500[/highlight].. this an issue that I am having with the local HD because I put in writing to NOT EXCEED 5500 rpms....to be honest our local Ademac HD dealer sucks big time when it comes to qualified techs in their shops.. this is common knowledge among riders here.
Dean
Dean,
Stock would be 5500 on a "B" motor. As you noted, the cam timing on the 110's is skewed toward low and midrange torque, not high rpm power, and cranking up the rev limiter for performance gains is an exercise in futility.
Jerry
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Jerry,
local HD dealer still does not have answer on why they revd the motor to 6500 rpms... no one cranked it up... they believe it was set that way at HD
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My 07 110 FXSTSSE bangs into the limiter at 5500 like hitting a Brick wall
Combo of my poor eyes and a Tach the size of a walnut add up to an occasional "oops"
God Bless the Rev Limiter !!
Wish they had them in 1974 on my Sportster !!
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Mavrik, I just wanted share my dyno numbers with you I will post the sheet later. Dyno #'s were 93 HP/98.TQ...These #'s are completely stock...Can you post some pics of your bike with the rb racing pipes, I'm thinking of replacing mine with a tunder header or one like yours ,but still have'nt seen either one....Thanks, onebadcvospringer
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I do not have pics with the pipes yet but go to http://www.rbracing-rsr.com and click on harley exhaust... there are a lot of pics with the same pipes as well as other styles they make...
they are a good quality pipe that sounds really good and has good performance..stick to the 13/4" primary
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Thanks Mavrik, I went to their site but didn't see any good pictures of the same bike as mine with rb racing pipes. I can't imagine what my bike would look like with those pipes I just know it would look mean. Let me know when you post some pics......Thanks
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Oh,I forgot I will be going with your advise on the 1 3/4 pipes this way we can compare dynos.Thanks
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Just had the doherty power pacc,power commander and thunder header put on.Here is the dyno sheet.
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Just had the doherty power pacc,power commander and thunder header put on.Here is the dyno sheet.
Good numbers but your af ratio is way lean, especially in the 2800 - 3200 rpm range. This is where most of your crusing is so I would question your tuner about it. Most tuners shoot for about 13.5 across the board.
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Anybody have a tune for a PCIII with Rinehart 2:1?
Thanks,
Steve
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rienhart 2-1 ,sert,94hp,114tq,100ft lbs at 2000 rpm will post dyno sheet later,
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Well it's got 2000 miles on it - time for a base run
All Stock except for a set of slip in replacement baffles in the stock exhaust pipes and a K&N filter - NO SERT/PC/ZIPPER etc.
90 HP and 103 Torque
Hope the pic shows up OK
-Beerman
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Good numbers for close to stock. How does it feel?
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Well it's got 2000 miles on it - time for a base run
All Stock except for a set of slip in replacement baffles in the stock exhaust pipes and a K&N filter - NO SERT/PC/ZIPPER etc.
90 HP and 103 Torque
Hope the pic shows up OK
-Beerman
:2vrolijk_21: What kind of oil temp are you showing?
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Nice torque curve , let the mods begin!
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I don't imagine it would take a whole lot to make that a 100/110 bike power wise. :orange:
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Yeah, I know....but I promised myself I was not going to chase numbers on this bike. I'm hoping to get a couple more with a Race Fueler and lower the running temp a little bit - frankly - I'm pretty happy with the way it runs right now. The only other Harleys I can't really keep up with are other Modified CVO bikes and Stroker motors
Remember it's a Springer so it's a little lighter than the Ultras and other big Dressers that are heavy into the HP game here.
-Beerman
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OH- one more thing - I bought the little POS oil temp dipstick, and even after running pretty hard and then letting her idle it never got over 215 - ambient temp was around 80---Beerman
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OH- one more thing - I bought the little POS oil temp dipstick, and even after running pretty hard and then letting her idle it never got over 215 - ambient temp was around 80---Beerman
That's impressive, my 96 usually shows between 235 & 250 after it's warmed up using the analog oil temp dipstick.
I believe your, thinner, more aerodynamic 21" front wheel/fender probably helps. I would also think thin profile of a Springer type fork lets more air flow to the engine although I've not seen any empirical data to support it.
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Definitely some good temps there, Has the dipstick been pretty reliable for you? I have not had much luck with consistent temps with the LED style, myself.
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I'm going to borrow a LED stick sometime soon to see what difference there is vs. my little toy one form Harley
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I'm going to borrow a LED stick sometime soon to see what difference there is vs. my little toy one form Harley
I would suggest getting an infrared thermometer like the Raytek MT4 (http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/raymt4.html). Inexpensive, accurate and you can check the rear cylinder head temp too. The place in the link is in OH too.
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Just got the spring back friday did the sert V&H pro pipe andK&N filter got 104hp and118tq runn great and pulls hard
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Just got the spring back friday did the sert V&H pro pipe andK&N filter got 104hp and118tq runs great and pulls hard
So Skippy, you went with the Pro Pipe?
Thought you were waiting on the other V&H pipe.
Great #'s!
Where were you yesterday?
Didn't see you at Thunder in the Streets!
You were missed!
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Skip,
Skip Awesome numbers.
Beerman always a pleasure to hear about your bike please keep it coming I am learning so much and to think they said I couldn't be taught... :P
Seegarz
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Just had the doherty power pacc,power commander and thunder header put on.Here is the dyno sheet.
this are some great numbers :2vrolijk_21:
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At Fired00d's suggestion, I'm posting the results of my tune in this thread, as well as in the Intake/Exhaust/ECM forum.
'07 CVO Springer, at about 1500 miles. I added the Bassani Road Rage pipe, and swapped out the filter for a K&N element and the bike was SERT tuned by R&R. Results are max torque = 111.67, hp = 96.34. The motor runs much cooler, performance is smoother across the range. Low-speed performance issues are gone, and the bike really pulls hard. The Bassani pipes sound terrific, but are long enough that I don't hear any difference from stock when at steady throttle highway cruise with earplugs. They do bark when you get on it, though!
bc
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OK guys here is some information and then a question...
Pre-pipes, AC and SERT 85 hp and 101 tq.
Post V&H Big Radius 2:1, Airaid high flow filter, and SERT 93 hp and 109 tq...not sure about the AFR since I haven't seen the sheet but once I have I will post it. Remember I am 10K miles away from my bike. I will post the sheet and the pics of the mod as soon as I can.
The question is that the tuner said "There is a slight pop on decel from higher rpms. We tried to tune it out, but it wont go away." I have read that people try and get rid of this my question is what causes it and why couldn't they tune it out?
TIA
Seegarz
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At Fired00d's suggestion, I'm posting the results of my tune in this thread, as well as in the Intake/Exhaust/ECM forum.
'07 CVO Springer, at about 1500 miles. I added the Bassani Road Rage pipe, and swapped out the filter for a K&N element and the bike was SERT tuned by R&R. Results are max torque = 111.67, hp = 96.34. The motor runs much cooler, performance is smoother across the range. Low-speed performance issues are gone, and the bike really pulls hard. The Bassani pipes sound terrific, but are long enough that I don't hear any difference from stock when at steady throttle highway cruise with earplugs. They do bark when you get on it, though!
bc
Update - checked mileage today. Two runs, 93 miles around town, the rest highway. Total 240 miles. Average 44 mpg.
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OUTSTANDING BC, were you traveling at human or Hoist speeds?
Seegarz :2vrolijk_21:
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OUTSTANDING BC, were you traveling at human or Hoist speeds?
Seegarz :2vrolijk_21:
Well it sure surprised me! I was expecting 35 to maybe 40. My mileage is BETTER than before the stage 1 work. My wife's mileage got better on her Heritage by 2 mpg also.
Definitely human speeds! The first run was local roads, 35-50 mph variety, with no lights and few stops - back roads cruising. The rest was highway back and forth between Nashua, NH and Kittery, ME. Averaged about 70.
bc
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OK guys here is some information and then a question...
Pre-pipes, AC and SERT 85 hp and 101 tq.
Post V&H Big Radius 2:1, Airaid high flow filter, and SERT 93 hp and 109 tq...not sure about the AFR since I haven't seen the sheet but once I have I will post it. Remember I am 10K miles away from my bike. I will post the sheet and the pics of the mod as soon as I can.
The question is that the tuner said "There is a slight pop on decel from higher rpms. We tried to tune it out, but it wont go away." I have read that people try and get rid of this my question is what causes it and why couldn't they tune it out?
TIA
Seegarz
I don't know why they couldn't tune it out. Normally, you add fuel.
The pop is normal and is caused by the vacuum drop when the throttle plate is closed down. Result is some unburned mixture in the pipes, which then detonates.
bc
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Thanx BC,
When I am united with the bike I will take a run over to the tuner to see what is up. My friend that has the bike for me currently says he doesn't even feel/hear a pop. Thank you for your your response. A follow up question: if the problem is only when you are off the throttle how would adding fuel decrease the pop? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Seegarz
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Thanx BC,
When I am united with the bike I will take a run over to the tuner to see what is up. My friend that has the bike for me currently says he doesn't even feel/hear a pop. Thank you for your your response. A follow up question: if the problem is only when you are off the throttle how would adding fuel decrease the pop? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Seegarz
When you close the throttle, pressure drops in the manifold (and it's lower in the cylinder as a result when the intake valve closes). As I understand it (dimly), fuel burns less efficiently as pressure goes down, so under these conditions, not all the fuel is burned. When the exhaust valve opens whatever fuel the motor didn't burn is dumped into the pipes. POP! I know it's it's counterintuitive to add fuel when fuel is part of the problem, but adding fuel increases the pressure in the manifold and cylinder, resulting in the mixture being burned in the cylinder instead of getting dumped. The trick is adding the fuel in the right cells in the mixture tables. Bottom line, the tuner has to know what he's doing.
bc
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Well I guess this isn't a bad start, V&H 2n2 Big Radius, PCIII, Thunder City Big Monster Baffles. :drink:
(http://flhrsei.org/attachments/Springer Dyno_New.jpg)
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A couple of thoughts. On my 07 Springer I put on the V&H Big Shot Staggered with a Fuel Pak. Results at the rear wheel (DynoJet 250 rear wheel dyno) was horsepower jumped to 88.87 (stock peak was 81.09) and torque went from 95.31 stock to 105.43. I should mention that I'm using the Quiet Baffle which robs a bit from peak numbers. Having said that, the bike's still pretty "throaty", plenty of volume.....my friends at V&H say that without the baffle fix-it tickets would be in my future. I've got almost 2,000 miles on the bike since the mods, and it runs great, absolutely no problems.
Also with regard the brakes, anyone who's tried to whoa-up a CVO Springer knows the stock brakes are less than stellar. I put a four piston PM set up front and replaced the rear unit with PM's as well. Kept the rotors stock. Huge difference, way more effective. Not to mention the fact that they look way trick.
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A couple of thoughts. On my 07 Springer I put on the V&H Big Shot Staggered with a Fuel Pak. Results at the rear wheel (DynoJet 250 rear wheel dyno) was horsepower jumped to 88.87 (stock peak was 81.09) and torque went from 95.31 stock to 105.43. I should mention that I'm using the Quiet Baffle which robs a bit from peak numbers. Having said that, the bike's still pretty "throaty", plenty of volume.....my friends at V&H say that without the baffle fix-it tickets would be in my future. I've got almost 2,000 miles on the bike since the mods, and it runs great, absolutely no problems.
Also with regard the brakes, anyone who's tried to whoa-up a CVO Springer knows the stock brakes are less than stellar. I put a four piston PM set up front and replaced the rear unit with PM's as well. Kept the rotors stock. Huge difference, way more effective. Not to mention the fact that they look way trick.
Come on Screaminfx you know the drill...
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Wow, going through and reading all of the posts I don't feel so bad. When I had the V&H big radius put on with the SE race tuner I was upset that it was only 91hp and 117ft lbs of torque. I thought it would surely have more hp since my VTX has 94 hp and 107 torque. I was told because I went with those pipes and lost a lot of back pressure that my hp would remain low.
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OK guys here is some information and then a question...
Pre-pipes, AC and SERT 85 hp and 101 tq.
Post V&H Big Radius 2:1, Airaid high flow filter, and SERT 93 hp and 109 tq...not sure about the AFR since I haven't seen the sheet but once I have I will post it. Remember I am 10K miles away from my bike. I will post the sheet and the pics of the mod as soon as I can.
The question is that the tuner said "There is a slight pop on decel from higher rpms. We tried to tune it out, but it wont go away." I have read that people try and get rid of this my question is what causes it and why couldn't they tune it out?
TIA
Seegarz
dont freak out man, dyno conditions are different. you are going from full throttle pull to 6200 rpm or more, then closing the throttle. sometimes you will hear a pop on the dyno that never happens in real life. also remember, the bike is not moving on the dyno, air rushing past the header while on th road creates different scavenging effects that no air on the dyno!! yes, the pop can be tuned out.
and whoever said to add fuel is probaly correct, it will cool exhaust gasses which helps slow spontaneous combustion inside the muffler. timing changes help also, but ride the bike and see how you like it. concentrate on drivability, then smile big if all is well.
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Pulled 92 hp. and 113 tq. 6th gear 90 - 110 in 5th gear SAE , you can see the dyno on harley tech talk {MSN} bike is stock except for Zippers air filter and baffles I made from alum. Bike was built June 2007 ,and has 2500 miles on it. Runs very strong. Will be doing Andrews 32 cams next. Then a 'black box'. Dewey
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Pulled 92 hp. and 113 tq. 6th gear 90 - 110 in 5th gear SAE , you can see the dyno on harley tech talk {MSN} bike is stock except for Zippers air filter and baffles I made from alum. Bike was built June 2007 ,and has 2500 miles on it. Runs very strong. Will be doing Andrews 32 cams next. Then a 'black box'. Dewey
Why can't we see it here? :nixweiss:
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I am too old and dumb to put it on here. I fax the dyno to a guy that belongs to HTT. I don't have a scaner or know how to use it ! Sorry. Dewey
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OK, I found it there. Suggest you get that AFR down a bit. Looks a bit lean. :nervous:
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Thank 103 for posting the dyno. It is running a little lean and is 'stock' F.I. Just wanted to get a baseline run. John Andrews sent me the 32H cams and will be putting them in soon. Then it will be black box time. I do alot of testing for John ,so we will see what difference 'just the cam' makes ,then dial in the A.F. Then it will be time for head work, the last 2 I did ,made good power, 1 was with 67 cams and D-D fat cat.
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dyno'd with the Andrews 32H cams in ,pulled 100 hp. and 110 tq. in 5th gear ,tq. curve was the same. Those cams bleed off some compression, had to shut one of the big fans off on the dyno just to get the head temp. to 230 ,with both fans on 180-190. AF actually got richer at WOT ,close to 13.5 - 1 now,supprised me. Still running 'around' 14.5 - 14.9 - 1 at cruise. Stock FI. Will be putting the dyno on HTT soon. Bike runs great ! Run-out was less than .002 , BUT, those valve springs are VERY close to the rocker boxes !!! Motor is very quiet tho.
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dyno'd with the Andrews 32H cams in ,pulled 100 hp. and 110 tq. in 5th gear ,tq. curve was the same. Those cams bleed off some compression, had to shut one of the big fans off on the dyno just to get the head temp. to 230 ,with both fans on 180-190. AF actually got richer at WOT ,close to 13.5 - 1 now,supprised me. Still running 'around' 14.5 - 14.9 - 1 at cruise. Stock FI. Will be putting the dyno on HTT soon. Bike runs great ! Run-out was less than .002 , BUT, those valve springs are VERY close to the rocker boxes !!! Motor is very quiet tho.
what did CCP come down to with the 32 cams? curious, someone here said stock CCP was 220!
BTW, has john said anymore about the new cam release? the website still doesnt list it.
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I have a 07 Dyna FXDSE with Rinehart 2-1 and PCIII. 98hp/120tq. Runs like a scalded dog.
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2008 SE CVO with pipes and SERT.Ugh,scanner not working.Will post dyno sheet tomorrow. Approx 90 hp and 112 torque.How does that stack up???
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Ugh,scanner not working.Will post dyno sheet tomorrow. Approx 90 hp and 212 torque.How does that stack up???
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
212 sounds very impressive.
You using Harry's dyno reporting method?
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Ugh,scanner not working.Will post dyno sheet tomorrow. Approx 90 hp and 212 torque.How does that stack up???
Sounds like you better hold on. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Ugh,scanner not working.Will post dyno sheet tomorrow. Approx 90 hp and 212 torque.How does that stack up???
212 torque???.... Got to be a type-o
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
212 sounds very impressive.
You using Harry's dyno reporting method?
:nixweiss:
:ROFLOL: :znothingfunny:
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Ok you can stop laughing now.Typo corrected :)
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Damn Chip my numbers have never been inflated, the lines just never cross where you want them. :worthless:
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I'm looking for opinions. I had just installed a SERT, and V&H two into one exhaust on my 07 FXSTSSE. Took it in for Dyno. Got the results and saw Max Power of 90 and Max Torque of 107.46. My A/F ratio is roughly 13.2 straight across all RPM (1.5-->6.2 thou.) I try to keep RPM between 28 to 32 hundred when cruising along. My MPG is like 35. I expected all of these numbers to be higher. Am I just expecting too much? I have put serious thought into traveling about 350 miles to a reputable Dyno tech to have it redone.
Is that necessary?
Are my numbers acceptable?
Or should I have it redone?
If you're able to help, Thanks.
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Sounds about right to me.I just had a SERT and V & H 2 into 2 installed. 89 hp 112 tq
'08 CVO SE Springer
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FXSTSSE2 08: 90.96HP & Torque=108.49 from 86.03HP & Torque=104.41
- Vance & Hines Sideshots Exhaust
- SE Air Cleaner
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My springer tune with V&H 2 into 1 sert and open air filter dyno at 104 hp and 118 tq but was still runing hot so the dealer re tuned it got the temps down but lost 8hp and 9 lbs tq not the same tech on the 2nd tune and you can tell this guy is not a turner . So the spring went north this week for some TLC will update in a few weeks....
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Dyno results for my 08 CVO Springer:
went from 89.18 Max HP and 110.72 Max Torque with V&H Fuel Pak to
93.29 Max HP and 118.59 Max Torque with PCIIUSB
V&H Pro Pipe BP's
HD Heavy Breather High Flow Air Filter
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Guilty,that's pretty good.Mine is putting out 89 hp and 112 tg with a SERT and V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius.
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Guilty,that's pretty good.Mine is putting out 89 hp and 112 tg with a SERT and V&H 2 into 2 Big Radius.
Thanks, I am happy with the results. Rick at Mid-Valley Cycles has a great reputation and I would highly recommend him to anyone in Oregon looking for a good tuner.
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here are the results of my springer with rinehart crossbacks and a powercommander: 88HP and 108 torque. Not as good as what i thought it should be but runs well and starts good. And both HP and torque curves look very good.
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dewey, you still with us? i got a crazy pm for ya.
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Just got mine tuned on monday and got 94.4hp with 114.4ftlb torque, with sert and d-rings that I made in place of baffels in the stock pipes. no other mods to bike as of now. I will post sheet later
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Here is my dyno run printout I had completed today. Prior to this, the PCIII was loaded with a map from Fuel Moto for my 08 FXSTSSE2 with Rush slip-ons (2.25" baffle) and a heavy breather. The bike is stock other than that. I was getting a lot of popping on deceleration, but the tuner was able to get rid of that. The final numbers are max HP 87.77 at about 5000 RPM and 105.53 ft-lbs at 3600 RPM. He set the Air/Fuel ratio to 13.0 and was able to keep it pretty close throughout the run. I'm very happy with this. The tuner said he could have coaxed better numbers, but I was more interested in a cooler engine. That's plenty of power.
Another reason for the popping was loose exhaust bolts at the cylinder head. Two of them could be turned by hand. The tuner said this is common for Harley's and suggested I check them at least once a month. I had the same issue on my old Fat Boy so I was not too surprised.
On the subject of engine heat, the tuner said he had just finished a test of four different synthetic oils. He is writing an article for his newsletter. He tested Amsoil, Mobil 1, HD Syn3, and Royal Purple. He used his own bike for the test. Starting with a cold engine, he ran each oil through the same dyno run and measured HP, torque, oil temp, and head temp. Hands down winner was Amsoil. On his bike, the max oil temp for the other three varied between 220 and 235. He could not get the Amsoil to break the 200 level. The dyno stats were not ready yet, so I'll have to wait for the newsletter.
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finally got the new super sert and the 07springer dyno`d, after waiting over 3months 4 delivery.
had already fitted "B head gaskets", the se heavy breather(standard on 08 american models) and was running bike with nightriders O2 IED sensors, i have the standard european exhaust pipes but with a switch to keep the noise/emission baffle open.
original run result was 67.13ps 104.55Nm (66.21hp 77.10ft.lbs)
after sert run result was 84.59ps 147.85Nm ( 83.43hp 109.03ft.lbs)
mech also did a test run with se pipes (not street legal in my country) 92.17ps 156.07Nm ( 90.91hp 115.10ft.lbs)
didnt get to speak to mech when i picked up bike so dont know AFR value,
previously i had experienced even with the o2 ied oil temps of 130°celcius, after 2.5hours back roads run 2day experienced max oil temp of 115°c
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finally got my bike tuned from the work i did over winter ( hc pistons,woody gear drive cams,rods,oil cooler and race tuner) 110 hp and 120 fp torque, and man does it run smooth. to those in the know, do these numbers look like what you would expect? also added a street glide to my side of the garage
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Great number!! Which cam did you install? Mine is in the shop now getting the head decked, ported and polished. I'm shooting for 10.5 to 1 compression ratio. The cam of choice was the woods 408G, but I'm sticking with the chain drive.
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the cam is a woody tw400g
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07
VH Big Shots Staggered
SERT
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Sorry ... wish I was smart enough to just stick it in the body of the post instead of attaching it where you have to DL it to see it.
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Here is my dyno run.
08 fxstsse2
big radius
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Oh, those stock cams are KILLING you! :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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Oh, those stock cams are KILLING you! :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
I want to do some motor work shortly. Don't know what cams to go with though
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I want to do some motor work shortly. Don't know what cams to go with though
If ya don't wanna go too highly modified, and care about w.....ty, your best bet is the SE 251's. Boltin only, or even better, a little compression and headwork. That cam happens to match up nicely to the 110! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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If ya don't wanna go too highly modified, and care about w.....ty, your best bet is the SE 251's. Boltin only, or even better, a little compression and headwork. That cam happens to match up nicely to the 110! ;)
Hoist! 8)
That's the cam I was thinking about. I was also going to port the heads and open the motor up some more. Thanks for the input
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Pre and post work.. I did a little work off the floor. Did not like the numbers. During the re-call, I asked for a few more things to be done. Have Big-Radius - 08 SE2 w/ 105th color.
120.12 Max Torque
107.23 Max HP
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Pre and post work.. I did a little work off the floor. Did not like the numbers. During the re-call, I asked for a few more things to be done. Have Big-Radius - 08 SE2 w/ 105th color.
120.12 Max Torque
107.23 Max HP
What all did you have done?
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Here is mine. 2008 Fxstsse,it is all stock except for Rush slip-ons. I am going in Friday for a sert and dyno tune , I will post those numbers when I get them. This dyno was on 9/9/08 by a local, independant HD tech.
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Here are the numbers from the tech sheet at the 1000 mile service.
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the rest of the numbers.
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Here is my dyno on a 2008, all stock with rush slip-ons, 2" baffles, before and after installing a power commander...which made a HUGE difference in the smoothness of the power...
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Picked up the bike today after having it re-tuned. WOW!!.....Original dyno after the V&H Big Radius 2-2 and SERT were installed was 86.13 hp and 110.14 torque. Now 92.21 hp and 118.91 torque! No popping! It's like riding a different bike. IMHO if anyone is going to have their bike tuned at Wildfire Harley, make sure Tony does the work. He really knows what he is doing. I'm very happy.
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andrews 55,10-5 comp,reinhart 2-1,zppers ac,sert,
120.1 TQ
104.9 HP
This bike is running very good after the last tune,to bad it took three times to get it right
next will be heads and tb
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Well, I finally took the plunge and put on new pipes.
i put a set of Vance & Hines Bigshots with quiet baffles. Also installed a Power Commander 3. The ace mechanic Jack, at Yamaha (worked at Harley for 10 years) put her on the Dyno ( at Ducati this morning and did a custom map. So here are the numbers of 3 separate runs: Air temp was 68 degrees F.
1. 96.86 HP______ 113.12 ft/lb Torque
2. 94.04 HP______ 108.03 ft/lb Torque
3. 94.59 HP______ 108.79 ft/lb Torque
The rest of the motor is stock CVO
He figures that the first run was at optimum motor temp. He tries to tune it with a infared meter so the cylindar is 200-208 degrees. I took the day off to watch. It was pretty amazing seeing all the setings and different things he had to do. I had no idea it was so complicated. It was on the Dyno running for 2.5 hours. Man the noise!!! I had ear protectors on and it was still loud. He took it up to 6900 rpm a few times. I had a full tank and when he was done I had 1/4 tank of gas. There is a noticeable increase in thrust and smoothness. I took Connie for a ride and she noticed a big difference. I might even go as far as to say that it may even be fast. I could have gotten more with a 2 into 1 pipe, but they are kind of ugly. These pipes are 2 into 2 with a power chamber. They look absolutely gorgeous! I was very suprised at the numbers. The tuner was also suprised. This was his first CVO 110 cu/in motor that he tuned. The max torque is at 3500 - 4500 rpm. The Max HP is at about 5K. Very smooth map. The torque starts dropping at 4500
The drawback is they are kind of loud even with the quiet baffles. When Connie and I left today I took it real easy leaving and I still set off a truck alarm. I saved the stock pipes so when the Cal EPA starts testing bikes I can switch them back. All I have to do is disconnect the PC111 and the original "Lean" settings are stil in the ECM. I never had a loud bike, but I must admit it sounds pretty good. I noticed a big difference in engine heat just cruising down the hi-way. I think I even got the front wheel a little off the ground when I was hammering the throttle.
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mavrik,
Couple of observations:
1. "CF: UNCORRECTED Smoothing = 5" from the chart. SAE correction is customary, and necessary to make valid comparisons to other runs. ???
2. The air/fuel ratio below 2500 rpm is all over the place, going from lean to rich and back to lean. This corresponds to the dip in your torque curve. From 2500 to 5000, the A/F is leaner than what most tuners run for best "safe" power.
3. The rpm's appear to go to 6500 - why such a high rev-limiter setting? As you can see from the chart, power and torque fall off rapidly well before that point. I would recommend backing that off to around 5800-6000.
I probably missed this information, but what other mods do you have besides the LSR pipe and SE air cleaner? Your peak numbers look similar to what others have reported with pipes, air cleaner, and tune (hp in low to mid 90's, torque around 110-115), but that big dip at low speeds needs to be addressed. Could be the tuner, could be the pipe (I'm not convinced that a 2 inch I.D. head pipe is a good thing for a basically stock engine with an EPA cam).
Jerry
Like Jerry said, with the CF uncorrected, it's hard to really tell where the numbers are really at, compaired to other bikes. The dip in AFR isn't good, supprized they didn't do something to the AFR in that area. He tries to tune it with a infrared meter so the cylinder is 200-208 degrees, not sure about this? Usually go by dyno and gas analyzer, at least the places I've been. It takes a while for the temp to change, and you could go to far one way or the other.
Craig
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Here is mine after a few changes.. The scale on the left isn't correct but the numbers at the top are. The cam is a Wood's 408g gear drive and I'm also running it with a Thundermax auto tune.
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My 07 FXSTSSE is in the dealers waiting on a new engine from the factory, so I had them install on my 2008 FXDSE2
a set of V/H pipes and a SERT.....here is the sheet.......how does it look to you guys?
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Hi, don't quite know my way around however I have information for the dyno runs. First of from the time I left the dealer I hammered my 2007 springer. So far she has v and h pro-pipe, 585 roller gear cams, 10.50 compression pistons and screaming eagle racetuner. 115 hp at the engine 85 to the ground and 123 ft of torque. I still need to do the larger throttle body and heads. I don't have any problems and I do not baby her in the least the harder I run her the better she likes it.
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Finally had the springer tuned and am happy as a dog with two tails 104hp / 110tq
Now the ultra??
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Here is one for my 09 Springer. Trouble maker exhaust & 258 cams.
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95,6 hp 110,6 Lbft On my 2008 CVO springer with highcomp pistons and 257 SE Cams and SEST. I am happy, but I would have guessed for a bit over 100hp.
Will post dyno chart when I get around to it.
//John
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I have vance and hines 2 into 1, harley race turner, and hiflow filter. This numbers look and feel pretty good to me what do you guys think??? 102 hp and 120 pds torque.
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nice!
Heres mine
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn81/bereahoward/2007CVOSpringerDyno0003.jpg)
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I've attached the first dyno done on my 09 Springer. I currently only have a SERT, and Rinehart Crossbacks installed. Let me know what you think, and then.......what would be the next logical tuning step. Thanks, Joe :2vrolijk_21:
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I am looking at increasing the horsepower on my '09 FXSTSSE3 and to start with just a V&H 2 into 1 pipe and a race tuner. Need some suggestions on what tuner to buy. Can you guys give me some ideas? I live at about 7000 ft above sea level. I want to smoke my cousins '09 Intruder. Also what would happen if I pulled the baffles out of my stock exhaust??? Thanks