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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2012, 02:01:26 PM »

Can I use the stock pushrods with the woods 555 cam? I am using stock heads.
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2012, 02:13:22 PM »

Yes!  And, they will be quieter than the HD adjustable push rods that your dealer will want you to install.  It will require taking off the heads but that gives you the opportunity to install the thinner .030" cometic gasket.  That will give you slightly higher compression.  Labor is a bit more
$ but less that the adjustable push rods. 
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2012, 02:14:30 PM »

I don't feel I came on too strongly and here's why. A few years back before the 110 engines came out there was a LOT of chatter on this site about a particular (no name mentioned) set of cams that you install in a 103 stock CVO heads that would give you _ _ TQ and _ _ _ hp ( fill in your own numbers.)
Now, while it is true that said cams did indeed work well with stock 103 CVO heads it turned out that some exhaust systems did not work well with said heads and other factors came into play. Bottom line for me is that I saw a couple of friends with 103's already modified with PC or SERT ignitions, SE breather kits and aftermarket exhaust systems install these cams and end up having to do a bunch of other work. What they thought was going to be an under $500 mod ended up closer to $1,500. I'll risk being called a hard ass ( hmm I was a tight ass the other day - - will people make up their minds) if it means getting a member to stop and think about what they are doing. Look at the WHOLE picture.

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So now you're a tight, hard ass.....or do you alternate between tight and hard?
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2012, 02:22:46 PM »

Yes!  And, they will be quieter than the HD adjustable push rods that your dealer will want you to install.  It will require taking off the heads but that gives you the opportunity to install the thinner .030" cometic gasket.  That will give you slightly higher compression.  Labor is a bit more
$ but less that the adjustable push rods. 

I am being told yes and no.
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2012, 02:41:42 PM »

Yes!  And, they will be quieter than the HD adjustable push rods that your dealer will want you to install.  It will require taking off the heads but that gives you the opportunity to install the thinner .030" cometic gasket.  That will give you slightly higher compression.  Labor is a bit more
$ but less that the adjustable push rods. 

Greg,

If you can use the stock pushrod with the 555, I dont understand why the head has to come off.  Yes it is only a bit more to get the head off, but why do you HAVE to.  I know why you might want to, to raise the compression, but still don't have to.   The rocker assembly will come off without having to take the head off and you can take the pushrods out install new cam replace and replace.

I havent looked at the lifts of the stock cams, and the headgasket will be approx .020 difference, but that still leaves you with .080 if the stock pushrod is in the middle at .100
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2012, 03:14:36 PM »

Can I use the stock pushrods with the woods 555 cam? I am using stock heads.

Yes
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2012, 04:07:20 PM »

I do not know that you HAVE to remove the heads but was told that it makes it much easier and that the cometic gasket is worth doing as it gives you some very cheap HP.  Sounds like Unbalanced knows better than I.  I assumed you'd check with your own mechanic.  Sorry if I caused any confusion.

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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2012, 06:54:39 AM »

Well if I have to use adj pushrods then I would go ahead and resurafce the heads to get more compression. How much would I need to take offon the stock heads for the woods 555?
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2012, 07:11:19 AM »

A common practise I have seen is that the wrench use Bolt Cutters and cut the Push Rods, they can then be removed. Then use new Adjustable pushrods. No need to expend time and money on removing the heads, unless you feel the need to do so.


How is your present Intake,Exhaust and compression going to match up to those new magic cams?

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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2012, 07:45:29 AM »

$100 something for pushrods. My time and effort to remove heads free. The weathet is still chitty here so I dont mind.
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2012, 01:18:01 PM »

This may help you:  Justin Bramstedt, Research Manager at S&S Cycle, walks you through the process of upgrading the stock cams on a Harley Davidson FLTRX. The S&S 510C camshaft set is designed to be used with the stock Twin Cam chain-drive system and is an economical way to improve the performance of stock twin cam engine. In this video we'll see the easiest way to remove your stock pushrods using a bolt cutter.

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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2012, 05:29:09 PM »

Well if I have to use adj pushrods then I would go ahead and resurafce the heads to get more compression. How much would I need to take offon the stock heads for the woods 555?

Who told you that the heads need removed?  Worst case is the rocker covers if you don't want the extra chance for unreliability of adjustable pushrods.
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2012, 11:36:58 PM »

So now my adjustable push rods are unreliable?
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2012, 12:23:39 AM »

Probably not.
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Re: 103 cam upgrade
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2012, 12:31:23 AM »

the extra chance for unreliability of adjustable pushrods.

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