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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #390 on: February 07, 2016, 03:46:06 PM »

The lifters in the kit were the same as in my bike.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #391 on: February 07, 2016, 06:46:10 PM »

Does anyone (engine builders or otherwise) have any opinions about using Cometic 4.125” x 0.010” Base Gasket (C9938) and Cometic 4.125” x 0.030” Head Gasket (C9910) to get a slight compression bump out of this kit?  What is the risk level of leaks at either end of the cylinder by going with thinner gaskets?  It would be extremely valuable, if someone with experience with the kit could post the kit’s base and head gasket thicknesses. 

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Personally the thinnest I have gone is .014 on my 131.    I typically use .020 in all the bigger power builds.   If your pistons are down in the hole quite a bit it might help, but that would be the only reason I would consider it vs. spin dropping the heads.    The other piece i would consider or question is on a 110 you have the round ring and people have seen weeping and seepage from those when going to a flat base gasket.   Just food to consider.   i was looking into either new cases or the possibility of welding them up and fly cutting them to get a flat surface.   When you go from a 103 to the larger bore you cut away all of that groove.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #392 on: February 07, 2016, 09:10:52 PM »

But using the HD 117 kit the cylinder height is set for the quad ring at the base and no gasket. If a gasket is added now the barrels need to be shortened.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #393 on: February 08, 2016, 04:31:50 PM »

But using the HD 117 kit the cylinder height is set for the quad ring at the base and no gasket. If a gasket is added now the barrels need to be shortened.

Speaking of cylinder height, does anyone with any experience with this 117ci kit know the height of the piston in the hole (using the parts that came with the kit)?  ;)  I am curious for head tuning (CCing the head) purposes.  I know there can be variations, but at least one data point would be nice.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #394 on: February 08, 2016, 07:29:26 PM »

Just an update put 100 miles on bike and all I can say is WOW it is like riding a different bike, much more power and pull with motor, at the same time we changed the transmission to a Baker 7 speed. Anybody looking for the perfection and total comfort level call Brett or Sandy from Brians Harley Davidson 215-752-9400 and let them assist you, I have been a customer since 1985 and never had a bad experience. Thank you.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #395 on: February 08, 2016, 07:38:44 PM »


Just an update put 100 miles on bike and all I can say is WOW it is like riding a different bike, much more power and pull with motor, at the same time we changed the transmission to a Baker 7 speed. Anybody looking for the perfection and total comfort level call Brett or Sandy from Brians Harley Davidson 215-752-9400 and let them assist you, I have been a customer since 1985 and never had a bad experience. Thank you.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #396 on: February 09, 2016, 05:51:22 AM »

Just an update put 100 miles on bike and all I can say is WOW it is like riding a different bike, much more power and pull with motor...
My sentiments exactly. Whole new feel. Will you be getting a dyno tune?
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #397 on: February 09, 2016, 11:48:16 AM »

Just an update put 100 miles on bike and all I can say is WOW it is like riding a different bike, much more power and pull with motor, at the same time we changed the transmission to a Baker 7 speed. Anybody looking for the perfection and total comfort level call Brett or Sandy from Brians Harley Davidson 215-752-9400 and let them assist you, I have been a customer since 1985 and never had a bad experience. Thank you.

Hmmm... A 117" with a DD7, I'm going to have to give that a try one of these days... :bananarock:

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #398 on: February 09, 2016, 03:34:24 PM »

What are your guy's thoughts on this graph for someone wanting good "rideability" for touring 2-up?  It is from a 117ci with very comparable parts to what I am considering.  This engine had 11.0:1 versus the ~10.5:1 I am shooting for and it had a D&D 2-1 versus my Jackpot 2-1-2 exhaust.  Otherwise, pretty much dead nuts on the parts.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #399 on: February 09, 2016, 05:58:22 PM »

Only comments are the tune needs work and the correction factor in "std" yields higher results than the defacto standard "sae". Starting the run at 2200 would tell more but that said this is just a graphic representation  of what the build does on a dyno at WOT on the dyno. How it feels stoplight to stoplight means more.  You may expect similar results on the same dyno with std correction, same compression, same cam, same heads, and throttle body, and same pipe. There is probably 5-10hp more in her if a Boarzilla was used.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #400 on: February 09, 2016, 07:21:01 PM »

Hmmm... A 117" with a DD7, I'm going to have to give that a try one of these days... :bananarock:

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #401 on: February 09, 2016, 07:37:48 PM »

What are your guy's thoughts on this graph for someone wanting good "rideability" for touring 2-up?  It is from a 117ci with very comparable parts to what I am considering.  This engine had 11.0:1 versus the ~10.5:1 I am shooting for and it had a D&D 2-1 versus my Jackpot 2-1-2 exhaust.  Otherwise, pretty much dead nuts on the parts.

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dnlpnd
Harder to tell with the run starting at 2800 rpm, but what I see there looks like a cam built more for HP than for TQ.  If you're looking for 2-up touring and rideability, this might not be it.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #402 on: February 09, 2016, 10:38:26 PM »

What are your guy's thoughts on this graph for someone wanting good "rideability" for touring 2-up?  It is from a 117ci with very comparable parts to what I am considering.  This engine had 11.0:1 versus the ~10.5:1 I am shooting for and it had a D&D 2-1 versus my Jackpot 2-1-2 exhaust.  Otherwise, pretty much dead nuts on the parts.

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dnlpnd

What parts are in this build & what are you planning to use

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #403 on: February 09, 2016, 10:54:26 PM »

What parts are in this build & what are you planning to use

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My exhaust and engine controller are listed in my signature, but one possible option for the rest of the parts would be R&R Stage V heads (which I am still up in the air about between several options), R&R 615 cams, 6.2gps injectors, reuse SE Pro 58 mm TB, and of course the drop on 117 cylinders w/pistons.  I am not really digging the R&R 615 cam either (I think it is too much cam), but I am still gathering information.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #404 on: February 09, 2016, 11:03:53 PM »

cool, thanks for that, I will watch & see how it all goes
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