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[MrSurly]

I'm not following you here. The dealer is charging you for what? Honing out of round cylinders? If so, I'd be telling that dealer you won't accept something that needs to be fixed before it's installed. JMO.

Bingo! Maybe the dealer is charging for the extra work of checking the new cylinders....which of course is specialty work that they would not ever do on their own.
Maybe they're taking the common position that cylinders from the MotherShip are always "in spec" and if the customer really wants to have his cylinders honed to a truer spec, well that's on him, 'cause the MoCo says these are good to go.

If that's what's going on, that the dealer says they don't need the additional work, but the customer *elects to have the cylinders *made round*......then I want to know if they now will say his warranty is out the window because he elected to do this.
Also, what's the MoCo's "specification" and how can it be checked, since no-one has the Emperor's New Torque Plates.

If the new parts are not round, he should insist that they get other kits until they find parts that ARE.

[MrSurly]

"FP3 Fuel Pak. I talked to V&H about the configuration and they said to call them when it is complete and they will get me a new map for my set up."


That's like building a motor & installing a restrictor plate... Dyno tune or don't do it at all imho.

My analogy: Buying a 502 big block and bolting on "this cool old-school three deuce offy and these awesome Zenith-Strombergs".

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

My analogy: Buying a 502 big block and bolting on "this cool old-school three deuce offy and these awesome Zenith-Strombergs".

No you are missing it you need a mid 70's dodge electronic carb.. think back it had a computer attached to the side of the air cleaner  ,, thats new school meets old school   

[MrSurly]

No you are missing it you need a mid 70's dodge electronic carb.. think back it had a computer attached to the side of the air cleaner  ,, thats new school meets old school   

That's spot-on..., "Lean Burn" I remember them all too well.

[RoadDawg]

"they will get me a new map for my set up."

With the heat a 117" can generate, I wouldn't trust a fuel pak. A thorough dyno tune that addresses timing in each throttle position as well as fuel would be my choice after the expense of having this kit installed.

Mine definitely runs hotter with the 117 kit. The EITMS (Engine Idle Temperature Management System) comes on more frequently now, and it's not even summer yet.

[RoadDawg]

I also have read a lot of posts of cylinders not being round and needing to be honed to match the pistons. The shop I have spoke to says they have done 4 kit installs and then all needed to be honed. I spoke to Surdyke HD today and they stated they have done 5 installs with no issues. Is that early kits or is there an issue? The dealer said they are charging me for that and I was shocked HD was not covering that cost.

They are all "early kits." They just hit the market two months ago. I did not have my cylinders checked. Kit was installed as it came from the Mother Ship. So far I have 1500 miles on the bike with no issues. Worth every penny! 

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Mine definitely runs hotter with the 117 kit. The EITMS (Engine Idle Temperature Management System) comes on more frequently now, and it's not even summer yet.

tune is not right then as EITMS is 300-310 based on what cal they used.. No reason for that what so ever.. Some times its about a cell that is close to the idle cell that got missed during the tune. Many times I have to lower the RPM at idle to target lower cells and then play with 1000 RPm in gear and try to get 30,40,50,50 KPA or in in a tps case the first 4-5 postions.  Also the Bassani pipes have less than great 02 bungs many times I see where the weld is not great and soot is around that area.. If that is the case then air can also get in.. Then you get to the point where the bung is longer than needed .. just things to check, as it will effect the tune

[RoadDawg]

tune is not right then as EITMS is 300-310 based on what cal they used.. No reason for that what so ever.. Some times its about a cell that is close to the idle cell that got missed during the tune. Many times I have to lower the RPM at idle to target lower cells and then play with 1000 RPm in gear and try to get 30,40,50,50 KPA or in in a tps case the first 4-5 postions.  Also the Bassani pipes have less than great 02 bungs many times I see where the weld is not great and soot is around that area.. If that is the case then air can also get in.. Then you get to the point where the bung is longer than needed .. just things to check, as it will effect the tune

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll look into it. 

[Road Dad]

Mine run same temp as before the 117 kit.

[RoadDawg]

Mine run same temp as before the 117 kit.

Good to hear. I don't have a way to measure the before and after temperature. It does seem to run hotter, so I'll follow up on this eventually. Thanks for the input.

[Road Dad]

My way to measure is not very scientific but I am using the HD digital dipstick and it shows the same as it did prior to the installation.

Another note, the 117 kit completely changed the fun factor as far as riding goes. Love the torque starting after 2,500 rpm.

Best money I spent on this bike

[RoadDawg]

the 117 kit completely changed the fun factor as far as riding goes. Love the torque starting after 2,500 rpm.

Best money I spent on this bike

Same here. Can't get enough. Improved the ride dramatically. 

[cvo1717]

Same here. Can't get enough. Improved the ride dramatically. 

Me too its fun to ride and and wack that throttle feeling the pull

[Hogwyld]

I'm not following you here. The dealer is charging you for what? Honing out of round cylinders? If so, I'd be telling that dealer you won't accept something that needs fixed before it's installed. JMO.

OBB, I agree with you. It seemed a bit strange that they had a charge to send a new set of cylinders out to be honed to match the pistons. Just didn't know if anyone else had heard of this.

[Mr. Warlock]

If I remember correctly, starting in 2014 all EITMS kick on at 80* Fahrenheit ambient temperature and no longer uses engine temp.

So, if it's 80* or above yours would be kicking on regardless.