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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1110 on: August 22, 2016, 10:10:15 PM »

CCP came in at 203/205, so bang on what Tman recommends. Guessing the bottleneck is the heads?
Ran against my old bike on the trip we just did. Where I used to walk away, I now jump off the start, and pull steadily.
I know it runs better than it did as a 110, just didn't make the HP I, and my tuner, thought it ought to..
Torque is right there, I thought it would turn in the 123/128 range. So the 126 is right there, just down on the HP side of things.
And like I say, runs like it. Real nice pull, then lays down up top, where I see others setups that are quite similar still pulling
past 5500. Total #'s I don't care about really, but when others are still climbing 700 rpm past where mine are done, the shape of the graph is
also telling…??
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1111 on: August 23, 2016, 10:41:20 AM »

I'll grant cha mine is more than just a sheet... 8)
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1112 on: August 24, 2016, 10:07:40 AM »

The reason it does not make HP is the mufflers  its that simple
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1113 on: August 24, 2016, 11:04:47 AM »

The reason it does not make HP is the mufflers  its that simple

Yep, heard that before; "'Thinking the HOs are not doing you any favors..."
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1114 on: August 24, 2016, 11:43:00 AM »

The reason it does not make HP is the mufflers  its that simple

Had a set of re-cored CVO mufflers with Fullsac baffles that we were going to try, but were having a bear of a time
getting mine off the head pipe, and I had a ferry to catch, so abandoned that project.
What would you suggest trying? Wanting to avoid several sets of them hanging on my wall...
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1115 on: August 24, 2016, 11:49:50 AM »

 fulsac  2.0 core would offer the best balance of tq vs hp and to me I think that most of the bagger guys need to stop worrying about HP as 98% of them never ride the bike there often enough to make it the "focus" but 2.25 would offer the HP number .  Build a 113 for a board member here with DX 2.0 system made 128 hp 133 tq . So I do not see why you should struggle with it

Look at Jo Vibes build

 

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1116 on: August 24, 2016, 12:29:37 PM »

The CVO cans we wanted to try were indeed fitted with the Fullsac 2.0 cores. Really bummed we never got the chance to try them while it was strapped to the dyno.
Would the HO slips be effective if fitted with the Fullsac 2.0's? I really liked the tone of the Crusher's as well, just my  understanding (haven't looked in any great detail)
is they only come in a chrome finish? Good chance i'm wrong on that...
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1117 on: August 24, 2016, 01:59:39 PM »

I had the Fullsac DX and 2.25 cores on this bike a couple years ago and was 124hp n 126 tq don't ask why I changed pipes. Cause I'm still asking myself that one. I'm running his 2.0 baffles on the new one...its just stock but when time comes to fixer up it will be with the DX and keep the 2.0s
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1118 on: August 24, 2016, 02:21:02 PM »

How were the 2.25 for noise? I like some rumble for sure, but a recent 4800 km trip in 7 days has shown the benefit
a quieter exhaust may have haha. Thinking I may re-core my stock cans, and go to a chrome heat shield, ditch the black
on black setup I have now...
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1119 on: August 24, 2016, 05:34:42 PM »

sound level with the 2.25 is good for touring  :2vrolijk_21: and will make some noise when you crack it...every one is rite that the 2.0s are the way go. i found out the <$$$ way 
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1120 on: August 24, 2016, 06:10:07 PM »

I had a tuner show me, with my 09 how the Vance and Hines HO were killing my torque down low and HP was so so.  He retuned with Fullsac 2.25 cores in CVO mufflers, much better torque where you normally ride 2300 to 3400 rpm, and better HP.

Been running fullsac systems on all my bikes since, and my wife bikes too.  My 13 King, making 138 HP and 140 torque is a fullsac system.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1121 on: August 25, 2016, 12:35:34 AM »

Fullsac baffles in stock cans seems to be a popular choice.
Probably order a couple sets up by the end of the week!
Anyone know where I can get a chrome heat shield setup for my V&H power duals header?
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1122 on: August 26, 2016, 05:59:52 PM »

Left my 09 CVO Road Glide and a fresh 117 kit (with Diamond Cut jugs) in the capable hands of Andrew "Rosa" today.  I HATE driving to Long Island (took me 3 freakin hours to drive the 50 miles) but after getting a tour of the shop and meeting Andrew and the crew it was SOOOOOO worth the trip.  These guys are the real deal when it comes to go fast Harleys.  The equipment they have is all top notch and the number of drag racing awards around the shop speak for themselves.  After doing a bunch of research and talking with a few local shops and dealers, I have absolutely no doubt that I made the right choice. Heck they even gave me a free t-shirt. I cannot wait to see what I get back next week.  :bananarock:

Picking my bike up tomorrow - right on time. Will post up results.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1123 on: August 26, 2016, 06:14:08 PM »

2009 CVO with a S&S 117 kit so S&S heads cylinders and ES cams Custom was not sure what cam but thought it was the 585. V&H pwr dual head pipe with high output mufflers.. As always a bit soft out the gate, big peak tq number and then it falls off and the HP suffers..


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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1124 on: August 28, 2016, 04:25:15 PM »

A lot of talk on the pipes for his hp, but why the MVA heads? Are the stock CVO heads not better than the MVA? I am asking, not making a statement.

Seems the head could be a big factor here if 110 with a compression bump and cam are doing better.
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