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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2014, 09:45:11 AM »

"The comp has always been a troublesome component"

Not true IME. My 2004 RG (126hp/123tq) currently has 79,000+ hard miles on the OE comp. nary a problem. Before that (same design) on several Evo's logged more than a quarter million miles, no problems. Before that several Shovels and Pans with no problems. Having dozens of riding friends over the last 40 years, nobody had issues with comps. Plenty of other issues LOL, but not comps. The present crop of engineers just had to screw with them evidently. You know corporations must embrace "change"....even if it doesn't work.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2014, 10:02:32 AM »

"The comp has always been a troublesome component"

Not true IME. My 2004 RG (126hp/123tq) currently has 79,000+ hard miles on the OE comp. nary a problem. Before that (same design) on several Evo's logged more than a quarter million miles, no problems. Before that several Shovels and Pans with no problems. Having dozens of riding friends over the last 40 years, nobody had issues with comps. Plenty of other issues LOL, but not comps. The present crop of engineers just had to screw with them evidently. You know corporations must embrace "change"....even if it doesn't work.

Correct the early style comp was a very robust part.  But from 2007 ( 2006 dyna) the comp has been a issue in fact the new current comp still is a rattler on a large % fo the bikes due to the new flat roller bearing they used.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2014, 10:06:35 AM »

Men are always trying to compensate for something. Bwahaha
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2014, 10:08:22 AM »

Well Jesse you are in fact wanting 3 more inches.. so what does that tell others  :nixweiss:     HA HA
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2014, 10:31:02 AM »

Well Jesse you are in fact wanting 3 more inches.. so what does that tell others  :nixweiss:     HA HA
Hey I'm short what can I say? I'd settle for 1 more!
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2014, 11:16:50 AM »

Correct the early style comp was a very robust part.  But from 2007 ( 2006 dyna) the comp has been a issue in fact the new current comp still is a rattler on a large % fo the bikes due to the new flat roller bearing they used.
"The comp has always been a troublesome component"

Not true IME. My 2004 RG (126hp/123tq) currently has 79,000+ hard miles on the OE comp. nary a problem. Before that (same design) on several Evo's logged more than a quarter million miles, no problems. Before that several Shovels and Pans with no problems. Having dozens of riding friends over the last 40 years, nobody had issues with comps. Plenty of other issues LOL, but not comps. The present crop of engineers just had to screw with them evidently. You know corporations must embrace "change"....even if it doesn't work.

Correct the early style comp was a very robust part.  But from 2007 ( 2006 dyna) the comp has been a issue in fact the new current comp still is a rattler on a large % fo the bikes due to the new flat roller bearing they used.

Quite true, guys! I had a '95 FLHTP that never gave me a bit of trouble with the comp... or anything else for that matter. The Evo big twin was nearly bulletproof - and aside from the Evo Sportster engine, is IMHO the most reliable engine the MoCo has ever produced... probably because it's so simple, with its single cam driven off of the crank with a pinion gear, much stouter bolted-together crank like the Pans and Shovels had, replaceable lifter blocks, etc. Many less parts to go out of spec or fail.

I was directing my comments to Twin Cams, specifically the '07-up design, but I didn't word it very clearly. Guess I shouldn't post in the middle of a sleepless night!

One thing that comes to mind is that our current CVOs put out considerably more TQ/HP than the previous engines, especially when we hop them up as we like to do. That surely puts a lot more strain on the compensator than the previous engines ever did. But I can't help wondering exactly why the previous compensators hardly ever failed, and these new '07-up ones are failing right and left. Is it just a cheap design that the MoCo refuses to properly address through a more robust design to save money, or something more dark and sinister?   :verkleidung009:

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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2014, 11:38:54 AM »

I just packaged my 5th compensator to be mailed for the one year warranty.  I've posted this quite a few times, on the 08 SERK the first compensator went at 41,400 miles after that it was about one compensator per 10,000 miles.  I plan on giving Steve a call for info on his product and any other tidbits he might have to make the primary live longer.  I'll try to locate and post two photos of the drain plug magnets from the primary.  It's quite impressive if you like lots of metal sludge.  I've got all winter to figure exactly what I plan to do bike.  Bike has 80,000 plus and needs a few big items.   
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2014, 11:46:25 AM »

I just packaged my 5th compensator to be mailed for the one year warranty.  I've posted this quite a few times, on the 08 SERK the first compensator went at 41,400 miles after that it was about one compensator per 10,000 miles.  I plan on giving Steve a call for info on his product and any other tidbits he might have to make the primary live longer.  I'll try to locate and post two photos of the drain plug magnets from the primary.  It's quite impressive if you like lots of metal sludge.  I've got all winter to figure exactly what I plan to do bike.  Bike has 80,000 plus and needs a few big items.

Good Lord!

Too bad you can no longer buy the comp style that was on your bike to begin with!

I hope I don't go down the same road as you when I replace my comp this winter...

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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2014, 02:29:00 PM »

maybe sooner Ken  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2014, 04:41:25 PM »

The difference between a 103 and 110?

My wife's Switchback has a Stage 1 breather and race tuner and has no where near the torque as the CVO.

After riding it I think she wants to upgradeā€¦.  :'(



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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2014, 05:21:19 PM »

maybe sooner Ken  :2vrolijk_21:

Yeah... DEFINITELY sooner, Steve!

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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2014, 07:12:01 PM »

Yea Steve I know the 07 and later suck, I took "have always been a problem" literally. It's all good. Harley will never admit a mistake.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2014, 09:08:30 AM »

Oh No. Did you just say a load THUNK with turning off your motor then the compensator is bad. I had concerns but now I guess I'll be spending more green.
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2014, 09:46:50 AM »

The latest comp will still make some noise on shut down. But if the early style is banging on shut down I would suggest replacement and then adding the compensaver to protect your new parts
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Re: 103 verus 110
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2014, 10:02:05 AM »

What's a compensaver?
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