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[gunstock]

I am not a techie at all.  I had Rineharts on my Ultra before the SESG.  I have been told to go with d&d's 2-1 but I see everyone talking about the Fullsac's?  What is the best way to go.  Obviously I am wanting the best sound and performance for the money.

Suggestions? 

Thanks

[Fast FLHX]

2-1 is best performance along with a dyno tune but you will either need a ghost pipe or go without a pipe filling the left saddle bag.

[Mr D]

I am not a techie at all.  I had Rineharts on my Ultra before the SESG.  I have been told to go with d&d's 2-1 but I see everyone talking about the Fullsac's?  What is the best way to go.  Obviously I am wanting the best sound and performance for the money.Suggestions? 

Thanks

Fullsac. 

[mark]

Fullsac 2.0 baffles will give you better than stock rumble, but not as loud as Rineharts, V&H, etc.  I doubt if the Fullsac 2.25 baffles will be as loud as V&H or Rineharts...maybe someone with the 2.25's can comment.  

Baffles, TTS Mastertune, & ceramic coated header from Fullsac will run you $1,100.  You want find more bang for the buck than Fullsac.  You'll need a dremel tool, drill, and a garage mechanic's ability.  Torque wrench would be an added bonus, but not absolutely necessary.

If you run into problems/questions, this site will work you thru it.  Good luck.      

[michaelbmenaker]

Kinda' depends on your horsepower/dollar tolerance. Many dollars have been spent chasing 5hp.
I had Fullsac remove the Cat (before they made the X-pipe), use their 2.0 baffles and have a dyne tune with a ProSERT.
90hp/104 ft lbs.

If I was doing it now, I'd still use a ProSERT, use the X-pipe and go with the 1.75" baffles.

[Mr D]

Kinda' depends on your horsepower/dollar tolerance. Many dollars have been spent chasing 5hp.
I had Fullsac remove the Cat (before they made the X-pipe), use their 2.0 baffles and have a dyne tune with a ProSERT.
90hp/104 ft lbs.

If I was doing it now, I'd still use a ProSERT, use the X-pipe and go with the 1.75" baffles.

w/o engine mods, Why is that?

[michaelbmenaker]

• My dealer is familiar with it.
  It's all H-D, so no finger pointing
  I got great results ... it's really all about the AFR

[xsdbs]

I replaced the stock headpipe with a 2009 headpipe which eliminates the cat (and the HEAT!).
I replaced the cores from the stock mufflers with 2.25 cores from www.fullsac.com
I'm using a PowerCommanderV from www.fuelmotousa.com

Total cost about $500.

xsdbs
 

[Panhead_Jimmy]

Kinda' depends on your horsepower/dollar tolerance. Many dollars have been spent chasing 5hp.
I had Fullsac remove the Cat (before they made the X-pipe), use their 2.0 baffles and have a dyne tune with a ProSERT.
90hp/104 ft lbs.

If I was doing it now, I'd still use a ProSERT, use the X-pipe and go with the 1.75" baffles.

X2  I've had this exact combination on my last two bikes and never wished for anything more.  I feel comfortable out on the road at other H-D shops with the SERT since it's recognized as one of "theirs".  However, every person that I know on this site that has the TTS is completely satisfied, too.

[TheLoneWolfPack]

I have V&H power chamber (aka X chamber) headers.  Gives you 2 into 1 performance with a balanced look.  SE Pro Supert Tuner.  Dyno gives me 113 Torque.  Great throttle response and performance, and sound very nice, not too loud.  Not sure if its the best, but it works for me.

My buddy has a 103 Road Glide with a ThunderHeader, which sounds better than mine, and his bike is just as fast, though he does have a Cam and Thundermax tuner.

Personally, his sounds way better, but I'm not a big fan of a single exhaust under my saddlebags.

If looks do not matter, I would say ThunderHeader.

[SG Racer]

I have the D&D 2 into 1, with a ghost pipe. I have the SE race tuner. I love the sound and the performance.
 The Fullsac set up is great though. Have heard many of them. They have a great package deal also. The 2 into 1 will give you a couple extra horsepower, but it is not cheap either. You can put the Fullsac set up on for the price of the D&D, and you get the tuner with it. The D&D you will still have to get a tuner.
 All that said, I love the D&D. It performs great and it is a little loud. I can still hear the radio just fine, at least until I twist the throttle hard. Good luck.
 Ray

[AZ Sparky]

It's up to you and what sound you like/what you can afford.

I did the Fullsac CVO Stage 1 combo - you can get it for right around $1K - mine was a little more as Fullsac and I both are in AZ and I had to pay the sales tax.

I went with the 2.25" cores.

All in all it went pretty well - I've got some tips for the install in another post.  The worst part is that my garrage is not cooled and it topped 115 outdoors while I was working in there.  The wife just wouldn't let me bring the bike in through the patio door...

Final input - some here have said they went with a MoCo (SERT, etc) tuner so they would avoid problems with their warranty - this is an incorrect assumption on their part or their dealer is leading them astray.  Either way - the complete truth is that no matter what tuner you go with, you run the risk (however slight) of your warranty not covering problems caused by the tuner. BUT, and this is a BIG but, the MoCo MUST prove that the mods you made (including the tuner and map) were the direct cause of any problem you experience.  Otherwise, the warranty will cover you.

[michaelbmenaker]

Final input - some here have said they went with a MoCo (SERT, etc) tuner so they would avoid problems with their warranty

My reason for using a ProSERT wasn't warranty related. As others have said, it's comforting that any HD dealer is familiar with the tuner and I did get great results. If you're doing the work yourself, or if your dealer is comfortable with the TTS setup, you should have no problems. if your dealer is like mine and never heard of the TTS system, use what they're used to. You get better results if you're not the experiment...

[trahog]

TTS and D&D fat cat.love this set up.Had it on 2 of my 110's now.

[Monolyth]

Vance & Hines Power Duels (x-pipe), Monster Rounds and a SERT.  Looks great, sounds great, runs great.

Monolith

[gunstock]

I am not a techie at all.  I had Rineharts on my Ultra before the SESG.  I have been told to go with d&d's 2-1 but I see everyone talking about the Fullsac's?  What is the best way to go.  Obviously I am wanting the best sound and performance for the money.

Suggestions? 

Thanks

Fullsac stage one on the way.  tracking number in hand...can't wait!!
 

[North Georgia Hawg]

Fullsac stage one on the way.  tracking number in hand...can't wait!!
 

YA MON! You will love love love the Fullsac! Mine's on now with their 2" baffles, along with Andrews 54H cams and Black Ops lifters. Sounds and runs great... with the Wizard's TTS MasterTune tune, of course... 

[AZ Sparky]

Fullsac stage one on the way.  tracking number in hand...can't wait!!
 

Gunstock it's been about a week now since this last post of yours - did you get your order in?

When's the install or how'd it go for ya?


Sparky

[africa al]

Thundermax Autotuner, Vance & Hines, high output mufflers, 2009 head pipes to take the 18mm Bosch sensors from Thundermax...............................Job Done.

[gunstock]

Gunstock it's been about a week now since this last post of yours - did you get your order in?

When's the install or how'd it go for ya?


Sparky

Just finished the install and test ride.  Not hard at all to install.  Had to spend a few extra minutes downloading additional drivers on an old laptop since I could not do the install with a Mac   All good, I can't what to get it out on the road tomorrow.

[Jamesg]

I scrapped the stock header cat from my 2012 FLHXSE2 and replaced it with the S&S True Tune Header (hidden crossover) and replaced the OEM baffles with the Fullsac 2.25 baffles. Added the ProSERT and a dyno from local HD dealer. Got 91.2 HP and 110.23 torque.  Not happy. Replaced the Fullsac modified OEM mufflers with Rinehart 4" slipons. Second dyno at different HD dealer established baseline at 94.41 HP and 112.55 torque. If dyno report accurate, picked up 3 HP and 2 lbs of torque just from going to the Rineharts. Second dyno resulted in 99.17 HP and 120.92 torque. Sounds much better as well. Happy now.
Thanks,
Jim

[SCREMR]

 I went with the D&D fat cat and love them!  Also added the MasterTune tuner

[RedDevil]

I scrapped the stock header cat from my 2012 FLHXSE2 and replaced it with the S&S True Tune Header (hidden crossover) and replaced the OEM baffles with the Fullsac 2.25 baffles. Added the ProSERT and a dyno from local HD dealer. Got 91.2 HP and 110.23 torque.  Not happy. Replaced the Fullsac modified OEM mufflers with Rinehart 4" slipons. Second dyno at different HD dealer established baseline at 94.41 HP and 112.55 torque. If dyno report accurate, picked up 3 HP and 2 lbs of torque just from going to the Rineharts. Second dyno resulted in 99.17 HP and 120.92 torque. Sounds much better as well. Happy now.
Thanks,
Jim

You met up with a very generous dyno.  Unless you changed cams, those numbers are high for the setup you have.  Typical numbers for changing out the headers and mufflers, and nothing else is 90HP +or- 1 or 2 HP and around 106 lb/ft TQ.  I have de-cat'd stock headers and 4" KlockWerks Revolvers on my RUSE and it dyno'd out to 90.2 HP and 105 TQ.  I went with the Fulsac X pipe and Bassani 4" mufflers with 2" cores on my SESG3 and it dyno'd out at 90.6Hp and 106TQ.  Both bikes were tuned with the SE Super Race Tuner as my tech is more familiar with it. 

[SERK3]

Last Saturday i installed the 4th exhaust system i've had on this bike, This time i went with V&H Duals with HI-OUTPUT Slip-On's, Real deep rumble, not real loud (i can hear for the first time the engine noise in these 110's that everyone has talked about, LOL) As for the tuner i am running the Thunder-Max with Auto Tune as i have with the last two systems, Great throttle response both low and top end, as far as the numbers (hp & tq) have no idea, not really concerned but like the seat of pants feel.

[Midnight Rider]

I scrapped the stock header cat from my 2012 FLHXSE2 and replaced it with the S&S True Tune Header (hidden crossover) and replaced the OEM baffles with the Fullsac 2.25 baffles. Added the ProSERT and a dyno from local HD dealer. Got 91.2 HP and 110.23 torque.  Not happy. Replaced the Fullsac modified OEM mufflers with Rinehart 4" slipons. Second dyno at different HD dealer established baseline at 94.41 HP and 112.55 torque. If dyno report accurate, picked up 3 HP and 2 lbs of torque just from going to the Rineharts. Second dyno resulted in 99.17 HP and 120.92 torque. Sounds much better as well. Happy now.
Thanks,
Jim

I'd say you got on a really "Happy" Dyno.  Those numbers are well outside of what would normally be expected with pipes and a tune.

[xsdbs]

I replaced the stock headpipe with a 2009 headpipe which eliminates the cat (and the HEAT!).
I replaced the cores from the stock mufflers with 2.25 cores from www.fullsac.com
I'm using a PowerCommanderV from www.fuelmotousa.com

Total cost about $500.

xsdbs
 

Update:
Ordered CVO 110 Stage 1 from Fullsac (X-pipe B, 2.0 cores, TTS mastertune)
Waiting for UPS!

[TheLoneWolfPack]

I have SE Pro Super Tuner, VH X-chamber heads, and Reinhart 4" pipes.  All my friends like the sound and the look.  In theory, the X-chamber gives you 2-1 performance with the balanced look  -- i would do it again if given a second chance.  No regrets.    I also had the same set-up on my 2009 Ultra with 3.5" pipes -- i have no complaints.

[TheLoneWolfPack]

another view

[TheLoneWolfPack]

the 2009 with same set-up
my partner has a Thunderheader with a Thundermax tuner.  He bumped his 88 ci bike up to 95ci (i do not know which cam he used), and he gets his front wheel off the ground at 10 mph.  I would say that his system is the best for performance -- its loud and sounds nice --- I do not need that max peformance and I am completely satisfied with my system -- but his is definitely best performance enhancement i have see on a bike.

[2010 FLHX]

Which engine capacity?

I have a 96 in. TC -- 2 into 1 SE, SE intake, (Stage I), K&N. I'm haulin' freight, not racing. It sounds fine. I just as soon not get pulled over for disturbing the peace. We don't give a good damn if the exhaust out the back looks asymmetrical.