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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1590 on: September 14, 2019, 03:35:20 PM »

Hope so too. Good luck with it.

I'm also wondering if I could use the Fullsack cores in the Khrome Werks mufflers? Once I get my takeoff parts back to my house I'm thinking I might pull the cores on my CVO mufflers and compare them to the ones from the Khrome Werks. If they are close that could be an option. If not then I'll keep my Power Duals and run the CVO cans with Fullsack cores.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1591 on: September 14, 2019, 07:13:38 PM »

Steve from Fullsack is a very nice guy and may pipe up here or give them a call.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1592 on: September 14, 2019, 07:25:04 PM »

Well I just got done going for a short 50-60 mile scoot and now that I was able to get on it some I can really feel that lag under 3K RPM's so it is going to have to be fixed. If that means I need to change my slip-ons then that is what I am going to do. I'll see how it feels once I get the new KW baffles first and then if that doesn't help I'll go from there.

I had really hoped to have this done back in June or July so I could have gotten so good seat time but as it is now I'm going to run out of riding season in the next month.
I think I'm going to cancel the ESP come spring since I really think I'll be pulling the heads and jugs and bring them over to you HD. We'll do the work we talked about on the phone and then I'll get a different tuner and see if that will help.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1593 on: September 14, 2019, 11:13:28 PM »

 Wild, What cam did you go with, also I have been down this road and can say once you get this lined out you’ll be out some bucks but the end result should be good.... listen to the pros
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1594 on: September 15, 2019, 12:41:40 AM »

Wild, What cam did you go with, also I have been down this road and can say once you get this lined out you’ll be out some bucks but the end result should be good.... listen to the pros

I went with the SE259e cam. I think from everything I have read here and from talking to HD Performance the next logical step is for him to do the head work and cut the jugs for me. In a lot of ways I hate to do this right after I just had the kit installed but the lag it has below 3K rpm just sucks. It doesn't like to run very well below that and I'm going to guess part of it is the tune. And with the SESPT I'm sure that doesn't help any. My biggest issue is my closest shops are 2+ hours away if not longer.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1595 on: September 15, 2019, 09:07:44 AM »

Install the se585 with that 117 kit compression and your done!
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1596 on: September 15, 2019, 01:25:59 PM »

Install the se585 with that 117 kit compression and your done!

Yes that is an option. Might be the easiest but I would still like to get some headwork done by HD Performance also. The big question right now is if my head pipes and mufflers are what is causing the huge dip or if it is the SE tuner. Or is it the dyno operator who didn't know how to tune it properly? If I need an aftermarket tuner so be it and I'll cancel my ESP. I'll find out more next week when I take the bike back to the dealer to have some more work done to it.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1597 on: September 15, 2019, 06:58:27 PM »

My thought is both a pipe and tune issue. The SE legal tuner is very limited. Just not using the prescribed pipe from hd is enough to blow the tune. Couple that to a less than great tune to fix that and low relative compression and this us what happens. Everything must work together. The shorter cam would not help.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1598 on: September 15, 2019, 11:17:55 PM »

If you had real tuning devise (TTS recommended) and some one that knows how to use it, you would be amazed !! and even better if you set compression. What muffler do you have?
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1599 on: September 16, 2019, 10:04:11 AM »

My thought is both a pipe and tune issue. The SE legal tuner is very limited. Just not using the prescribed pipe from hd is enough to blow the tune. Couple that to a less than great tune to fix that and low relative compression and this us what happens. Everything must work together. The shorter cam would not help.

Okay so it's time to say goodbye to the SEPST and get a aftermarket tuner. You say pipe also? I thought the V&H Power Duals was a good head pipe? I understand the Fullsack is better but I was under the impression it was OK?

If you had real tuning devise (TTS recommended) and some one that knows how to use it, you would be amazed !! and even better if you set compression. What muffler do you have?

I have the Khrome Werks HP Plus 4.5". Love the sound of them but not sure if they are creating enough backpressure for what I need.
This is off of KW website so take it for what it is and these numbers are from a M8. 
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Engineered for performance, style and sound. These mufflers have been dyno tested and show 12% increase in torque and 7% increase in power.
Yes TTS is on the top of my list & PV is my next choice.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1600 on: September 16, 2019, 10:13:13 AM »

You really should go with the TTS it is the best. You just have to find a good Dyno place that knows how to use it.

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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1601 on: September 16, 2019, 10:28:37 AM »

 I've had very good results with the thundermax system. Every change I've made on my bike including the 117 kit works fine. Just follow the simple instructions and YOU are the tuner.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1602 on: September 16, 2019, 12:31:39 PM »

Give me ring, I can help.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1603 on: September 16, 2019, 03:34:12 PM »

Give me ring, I can help.
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Thanks for the conversation Don. I think we have a course of action and I'll go from there with it. The new baffles will be here by Tuesday next week so I'll get a chance to have a little seat time before I tare the bike back down for the winter. And then come spring I'll haul the bike over and have a proper tune put on it. Then if the KW mufflers are still the problem I'll replace them with something else like the Cobras or Fullsack cores for my stock cans. But at least I have a course of action.
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Re: Harley 117 Kit
« Reply #1604 on: September 16, 2019, 10:23:34 PM »

Good deal keep us/me posted up  :2vrolijk_21:
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