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Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:56:26 PM »

I have a 2015 road Glide CVO and I am thinking of getting Power Duals  head pipes and Hi-Output slip-on. I am having a difficult time deciding on Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 or H.D. race tuner. My area dealers that have Dyno are completely against anything other than H.D. race tuner and the ones that don't have Dyno are telling me that FP3 is the only way to go.
I am very confused and need help.
Previously I had Tunder-Max and before that I had H.D. race tuner.
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Vance Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2015, 11:59:33 PM »

I have a 2015 road Glide CVO and I am thinking of getting Power Duals  head pipes and Hi-Output slip-on. I am having a difficult time deciding on Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 or H.D. race tuner. My area dealers that have Dyno are completely against anything other than H.D. race tuner and the ones that don't have Dyno are telling me that FP3 is the only way to go.
I am very confused and need help.
Previously I had Tunder-Max and before that I had H.D. race tuner.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 05:46:41 AM »

They both are pushing what they sell.  I don't know about the FP3 but if the dealer with the Dyno has a tech that knows what he is doing then that is the way I would go.  Hard to beat a good full Dyno tune no matter what software/hardware is used. 
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 07:23:52 AM »

I have a 2015 road Glide CVO and I am thinking of getting Power Duals  head pipes and Hi-Output slip-on. I am having a difficult time deciding on Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 or H.D. race tuner. My area dealers that have Dyno are completely against anything other than H.D. race tuner and the ones that don't have Dyno are telling me that FP3 is the only way to go.
I am very confused and need help.
Previously I had Tunder-Max and before that I had H.D. race tuner.

I suppose the question is: are you going to dyno it? If not you have ready made maps downloadable from V&H for that setup. I personally have no clue what if anything could be gained (for a stock engine) from dyno in todays world where we have companies such as V&H dynoing all day long and then putting the maps out. I have Street Glide CVO 2015 with Power Duals and Monster Rounds together with FP3 & as the latest add-on SE Extreme Billet Ventilator. Simple as. No snap, crackle or pop nor any other problems whatsoever.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 07:35:40 AM »

"Hard impossible to beat a good full Dyno tune no matter what software/hardware is used"

Fixed it.  ;)

Doubt a FP3 adjusts timing. I could be wrong.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 07:38:20 AM »

"Hard impossible to beat a good full Dyno tune no matter what software/hardware is used"

Fixed it.  ;)

Doubt a FP3 adjusts timing. I could be wrong.

I have no technical knowledge so I have no idea what it adjusts.  :P I just plugged it and was amazed and felt great pride for being able to "tune" my bike with a bit of tapping on iPhone.  ;D
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 08:37:51 AM »


Why limit your choices to just two?  There are better options on the market than either of those you listed, such as TTS and PowerVision.  If you are like many/most Harley riders, you may think you will be satisfied with one of the piggyback devices offered by the exhaust companies, but most eventually go on to get a full featured system, especially if they decide to do cams and other work later on.  I'm a believer in doing it right the first time, so I normally recommend going with something that has the most capabilities from the beginning.

If you have a truly good professional tuner in your area, I'd suggest talking to him before making a decision.  And do not assume that just because a Harley shop has a dyno that they are fully qualified and competent tuners.  Sadly, most are not.  The best system or device in the world won't make up for an incompetent guy doing the tune.

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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 04:23:16 PM »

The FP3 works great if do not absolutely care to have it tuned. I have the FP3 with Power Duals and Monster Rounds on a 2014 CVO RK. The map works great as long as your header/pipes combination is one of their downloadable map choices.
I have had several bikes tuned (with after market cams)  but this setup works so well (huge amount of torque and power) without even using the autotune option of the FP3 that I am not planning to do anything else to the engine. A perfect tune with a competent tuner is always best...but good luck with that!
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2015, 07:14:46 PM »

I was gonna go FP3, but I have had great luck with Fuel Moto and the Power Vision with a tune from them.  $499 for the Power Vision, mount, visor and lifetime Map support....how,could,you go wrong!?
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 06:16:05 PM »

FP3 lets you adjust timing, upper and lower limits on AFR in the closed loop, and so on and so on even a few of the clutch/jiffy stand type options can be set with it.

Its worked great for me, Power Duals, Monster Ovals, stock otherwise 2015.    If you want to change the cam, you change it in the software and auto tune it some more.   

No, its not the same as a dyno but then again I'm happy. 
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2015, 11:44:51 PM »

When I bought my 15 I decided for once, it runs OK, I am going to just ride it. Then my wife bought me a set of 1.75" Fulsac baffles for christmas. I installed them and still promised myself no more changes, it ran OK.
Over 4th of July Eastern Performance had a sale and sent me a coupon on top of that and I bought a FP3 for $279 delivered.
I am amazed at the five minute install and resulting difference in throttle response and heat I no longer feel on my right leg which I thought was not to bad anyway. I am very pleased and would buy one again.
I have had dyno tuned bikes in the past, last one with TTS, one before that with SERT and one before that with PCIII. But I do hate guys beating hell out of my bike making uneducated guesses to come to an end, which has always been a good end, just to much trial and error in this day and age and I no longer require that end. FP3 is acceptable for me.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2015, 03:20:39 AM »

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I am amazed at the five minute install and resulting difference in throttle response ...
Just noticed yesterday that it is even possible to tune the throttle response with FP3. Turned mine to "aggressive" and now the response is immediate.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2015, 04:24:52 AM »

Just noticed yesterday that it is even possible to tune the throttle response with FP3. Turned mine to "aggressive" and now the response is immediate.

Switch it to 1:1 race and it's even better ... once I tried that I never bothered with anything less. The FP3 is a good bang for the buck and I love mine. Most here swear by getting a "professional tune" like it's the bible and the only "right" way to do it. That's fine if you have time for a long road trip, spending the extra cash and watching someone hammer your bike for however long it takes to extract every last once of power from it ... no thanks. V&H knows what they're doing too and my bike runs a lot better than my old RG did with full exhaust and a Race Tuner with a canned map from the stealer. The FP3 was cheaper than a Race Tuner and you can diy vs. the stealer's canned map/dyno routine.

Don't let all the trash talk about the FP3 being a cheap canned tuner sway you from buying one if you were seriously considering it, it works great for me and many others that have it. Maybe it isn't for everyone, but it won't disappoint you for the money and what it will do for your bike. Sure, Dyno Joe Blow with his choice of tuner might get me another pony or two, but if I really wanted a race bike to bounce off the rev limiter, ride wheelies on, do burnouts and beat the snot out of every minute of the day ... I would've drove right past the HD shop and rode home on a bone stock crotch rocket that would embarrass any HD that just came out of Joe Blow's with everything under the sun done to it. To each their own ... if you want your pampered, comfy cruiser to have a little extra snap over stock like me then the FP3 won't let you down.

Not sure why a lot of guys give it such a bad rap when I haven't witnessed ANYONE even try to dyno tune with it. You can raise/lower your idle speed and rev limiter, change front/rear VE tables, spark tables and a/f ratio and a bunch of other stuff I personally wouldn't screw with. I suppose it's only downfall is it uses the factory narrow band O2 sensors unlike some of the higher end tuners that use wide band sensors. I've looked high and low for a bike tuned on a dyno with the FP3 with no such luck. Not that I actually need anymore from my bike, but I am curious to see how it stacks up against a comparable tuner on the dyno. All the good shops/tuners out there today I'm surprised nobody tried the FP3 on the dyno ... even just for chits and giggles, either way I'm happy with mine. 

 
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2015, 07:29:23 AM »

"That's fine if you have time for a long road trip,"

I do have time.....for long road trips, why I bought  a bagger, and being I'm in various altitudes, weather conditions, grades of fuel etc. is why I get mine dyno tuned. Not for a couple horsepower but for no engine damaging detonation, in all throttle positions. Good fuel mileage is just a bonus. When suggesting a dyno tune we're not putting you fuel pak down, just want others to know the joy of an excellent running bike. If your happy,  Enjoy.
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Re: Vance&Hines fuelpak FP3 vs. H.D. race tuner
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2015, 07:58:00 AM »

Same here. Want others to know that with FP3 my bike is running so excellent that it's nearly impossible to imagine how it would run any better with further tweeking. Just tuned my throttle response to "race" as it was suggested above. It took about 2 minutes via iphone.

Over here in Europe we don't know anything about miles, but what comes to fuel economy, I just filled my tank and the range jumped to +430km's. Took a short spin of 30km's and the range dropped to 427km's. I don't know how many kilometres or miles others are getting from their tanks with normal type of riding, but it doesn't sound too bad.

If someone gives proof that with dyno I can get much better economy and even more smoother running engine, I will push my bike over there asap. Hell, could even think of flying the dyno specialist for a weeks holiday in Europe to do his magic.

"That's fine if you have time for a long road trip,"

I do have time.....for long road trips, why I bought  a bagger, and being I'm in various altitudes, weather conditions, grades of fuel etc. is why I get mine dyno tuned. Not for a couple horsepower but for no engine damaging detonation, in all throttle positions. Good fuel mileage is just a bonus. When suggesting a dyno tune we're not putting you fuel pak down, just want others to know the joy of an excellent running bike. If your happy,  Enjoy.
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