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[ky street glide]

If I remove the Catalytic Converter from my 2010 SE Street Glide, does anyone know if it will it void my warranty?

[rheiner]

I wouldn't worry about it. I removed my cat from my '09 SEUC and the rear exhaust valve bent when I was on a road trip. The local harley dealer only pulled the camshaft cover to see if the cam was stock and since it was, they eneded up replacing the entire rear cylinder, piston, and head assembly under warranty.

[grc]

If I remove the Catalytic Converter from my 2010 SE Street Glide, does anyone know if it will it void my warranty?

Removing the catalytic converter on your Harley is no different than removing a catalytic converter on your car.  It voids the emissions warranty and it makes the vehicle illegal to operate on public roads.  As to what would happen to your regular warranty, that would depend on what parts failed.  Something like a defective ignition switch or other non-related part should still be covered.  However, some dealers and companies take a hard line and refuse to work on an illegally modified vehicle.  They do not want to be held accountable.

Now, in the real world it is highly unlikely you will have an issue.  Unlike an automobile, where anyone can stick their head under the car and see the cat(s), your's is hidden inside the head pipe.  To determine if it is still there would require someone to remove the muffler and look up the pipe.  It would also require the person working on the bike to know the cat was supposed to be there.  Based on conversations I've overheard, and posts here on the site, I don't think the typical dealership tech knows what bikes have them and what bikes don't.

Final word:  It's your bike, do what you want.  The odds of you ever getting nailed are slim to none, unless you live somewhere where they enact tailpipe emissions checks.  In that case, you would have to buy a new head pipe and put the ECM back to stock.  NBD

Jerry

[Highjagger]

They are not able to meassure the missing of a cst .
The difference with ( about 0.95 CO2 ) and without cat ( maybe about 1.05 CO2 ) is far below the maximum allowed number of 4.5 percent in volume of the emission control law here in germany .
Don`t worry about that .
Warranty depending on the missing of the cat should not be interestijng for any dealer and the MoCo , and i am sure that they don`t care about because they know that the bike runs cooler and better without the cat .

[Hoist!]

Well, I'll be the bad guy here! Technically, it's illegal to tamper with emission control systems on ANY motor vehicle! According to HD, if you tamper with your motor at all, you void the w.....ty. According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, they can only deny w.....ty if your alteration caused the failure. According to Hoist!, FTW!!!!!

Hoist!

[Diamondback]

 

That's true.  However, considering the 96 no California bikes and the 103 do not have cat's, I would suspect that HD would cover virtually any issue (except maybe the header itself).

I actually put a 96 nonCat header on mine.

 

[grc]

That's true.  However, considering the 96 no California bikes and the 103 do not have cat's, I would suspect that HD would cover virtually any issue (except maybe the header itself).

I actually put a 96 nonCat header on mine.

 

That was true of the '09 models.  What about the 2010 models?  I think you will find that they all have catalytic converters now, unless I got some bogus info.

Jerry

[guppytrash]

Well, I'll be the bad guy here! Technically, it's illegal to tamper with emission control systems on ANY motor vehicle! According to HD, if you tamper with your motor at all, you void the w.....ty. According to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, they can only deny w.....ty if your alteration caused the failure. According to Hoist!, FTW!!!!!

Hoist!

I agree, I think you get the warranty worshipers telling how everything you do voids your warranty.  Which technically is true.  However if you change your exhaust and your radio fails or heated grips quit working take it to the dealer and tell them to fix it.  If they give you any trouble burn the building down. Bottom line is the dealer sells, installs, tunes all for profit.  They are interested in profits and selling you another bike.  Tell me again my warranty is void because you sold me a SERT and dyno tuned it so it would not run so lean and hot???  Sure I will be back to buy my next bike from you.

[Diamondback]

 

I didn't look myself but the tech's in South Texas said the 2010's have no cat for the 96 and 103.

   

[SteveFLHTK]

Tech Specs for 2010 says they are in all touring manuals.

[Diamondback]

 

Your right one of my riding buddies said his brand new 2010 Ultra has the cat.  HD had to meet stricter requirements.

He said all of the 2-1-2 exhausts have the cat including the Fat Bob (non CVO)

 

 

[dartman]

I didn't look myself but the tech's in South Texas said the 2010's have no cat for the 96 and 103.

   

Its amazing that the techs are always the last to know about upgrades, service bulletins Etc.

[Diamondback]

 

Just left my HD dealership and its true the 2010's have a new O2 sensor location and the now infamous cat. 

Just another challenge for the aftermarket guys.

And my buddy says the right side is hotter than his 08.

 

[factoryhdtech]

Its amazing that the techs are always the last to know about upgrades, service bulletins Etc.

FYI, the Motor Company does not share ANY emissions information with dealership staff, via service bulletins, or any other resource. In fact you will not find anything about emissions control in any literature that HD provides.

[Diamondback]

 

 

 

[grc]

FYI, the Motor Company does not share ANY emissions information with dealership staff, via service bulletins, or any other resource. In fact you will not find anything about emissions control in any literature that HD provides.

If by that comment you mean they don't label the information with a big sticker that says "Emission Control", then you're probably correct.  Otherwise, I have to disagree.  There is an entire separate manual that deals with emission control items, among other things, called the Electrical Diagnostic Manual.  All that stuff in there about sensors, ECM's, diagnostic codes, etc., is part of emission control.  It isn't necessary to label it as such, anyone who knows anything about the subject knows what it is.  Also, unless H-D has stopped it to save a few more bucks they can divert to executive compensation, they used to offer new model training that would cover these types of issues as well.  As is the case with all such training, it is up to the dealer to send his people to the training.  Maybe you should ask your service manager or dealer about that.  BTW, if you glance through the Tech Forum information from H-D, you'll find several references to catalytic converters, even in the Dyna section and the Sportster section.  So much for your contention that H-D doesn't share any info with you about emission controls.

IMHO, anyone who wants to be considered a professional can't just sit back and wait for the information to be hand delivered and spoon fed to him.  If H-D doesn't make any of this info available, how do you suppose those of us not in the business find out all about it?  If we can do it, an insider like a dealership employee can surely do it.  I don't accept the excuse that H-D didn't specifically tell you, so it's OK for you not to know and to not be able to answer a customer's question.  If you don't know, offer to find out, don't just blow the customer off.  Ask questions of the boss, who may have the info and just hasn't passed it along yet.  Or check the H-D web site for the info, or contact the tech hotline if necessary.  Or lord forbid, walk over to a few of the new bikes and look.  I think a quick visual examination might shed some light on certain items, maybe even the question about catalytic converters being on all 2010 Touring models.

Jerry

[Twolanerider]

FYI, the Motor Company does not share ANY emissions information with dealership staff, via service bulletins, or any other resource. In fact you will not find anything about emissions control in any literature that HD provides.

Oh my god.  Is there an emoticon of an ostrich with its head buried?  It is way to f&*%^g easy to be reminded why I work on my own rather than trust the damn dealership staffs.

[FNGw/08SERK]

Oh my god.  Is there an emoticon of an ostrich with its head buried?  It is way to f&*%^g easy to be reminded why I work on my own rather than trust the damn dealership staffs.

anticipating a papal visit       

[Twolanerider]

anticipating a papal visit       

Oh crap, not another Inquisition.

[dartman]

FYI, the Motor Company does not share ANY emissions information with dealership staff, via service bulletins, or any other resource. In fact you will not find anything about emissions control in any literature that HD provides.

That is a sad commentary, in my experience it also applies to ABS, Kick Stand, and ECM upgrades that I would never have known about had I relied on my dealership.

[Diamondback]

 

 

[Fullsac Performance]

Its amazing that the techs are always the last to know about upgrades, service bulletins Etc.

For some its a lifestyle. Others, just a job.

The 2010 cat info flew through this place like Katrina the same day the 2010 parts books hit the dealers hands.
The word "catalyst" right after the part number kinda gives it away.
With all due respect, the 2010 cat info did originate from an HD parts counter.

Steve George

[ky street glide]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I ordered a core bit to remove the cat on my 2010 SESG.

[Diamondback]

 


 

[Highjagger]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I ordered a core bit to remove the cat on my 2010 SESG.

Sooner or later you will remove the cat complete , send it to Stev t fullsac when you do not trust to do it on your own , or search a welding-shop where they can do it , needs half an hour for sawing , removing complete and welding together again , $50 upto $100 bucks should be the price and it is the end-solution , a cored cat will not satisfy you . ( save these bucks and work ) 

[Diamondback]

 

Remove the cat fully.

Works the best.  ANd is not that expensive.

 

[happyman]

That's true.  However, considering the 96 no California bikes and the 103 do not have cat's, I would suspect that HD would cover virtually any issue (except maybe the header itself).

I actually put a 96 nonCat header on mine.

 

so your saying no 2010 103" have cats?

[HOGMIKE]

so your saying no 2010 103" have cats?

They have 'em.

[LarryB]

yes they have them

[Diamondback]

 

Actually, all 2-1-2 exhaust systems on the 2010's have cat's  Touring, Fat Bob's etc.

 

[happyman]

Actually, all 2-1-2 exhaust systems on the 2010's have cat's  Touring, Fat Bob's etc.

 

to bad its such a hassle to get the cat out

[Diamondback]

 

And the number of 09 non cat's is going away fast.

Going to have to go with V&H when they get them out.

Glad I have a 09 with out the cat.

Rode today.  Runs great.

 

[Highjagger]

to bad its such a hassle to get the cat out

Once started to remove the headpipe , it is just a easy job , you need a welding friend for ten minutes and another hour ( if you are not experienced ) to get the headpipe back on the bike .
 I first too hesitated , but it was really easy at the end , don`t worry , just try it . 

[LarryB]

to bad its such a hassle to get the cat out

what part of the country you in

[happyman]

And the number of 09 non cat's is going away fast.

Going to have to go with V&H when they get them out.

Glad I have a 09 with out the cat.

Rode today.  Runs great.

 

does the moco sell the header pipe without the cat that fit the 10's??

[HOGMIKE]

does the moco sell the header pipe without the cat that fit the 10's??

Part numbers show 3 versions..............all with cats.

[happyman]

Part numbers show 3 versions..............all with cats.

kinda figured that.    maybe someone will come up with a nice replacement

[Diamondback]

 

Vance and Hines, Rinehart and the rest will come up with a replacement.  Couple that with Mastertune TTS, Fuel Pak's and Power Commanders, we will be able to retro the bikes to our liking.

All at significant expense.

 

[skreminegul07]

As far as warranty, when I tried to get HD to take my lemon back, the rep they flew out to inspect the bike claimed I had done major engine mofications: true dual exhaust and high flow air filter (which was actually stock). And the rep missed the leak!  I have the letter and can show anyone.

[timo482]

thats the way it is

if the dealer will warranty a modification its all good as long as that dealer is doing the work

but if hd gets involved - change exh, air cleaner, cams etc with non street legal parts and the entire engine warranty is void

and regardless of what folks say about magnussun moss - changing pipes changes mixture and that changes temps and violates epa - so they do have the legal right to void the entire engine warranty if the pipes are changed.

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[Diamondback]

 

True.

[LarryB]

If they can prove that the changes had a direct affect on the problem

[Diamondback]

 

Would be hard to prove that an engine that's running cooler with more power and no new cams or internal components would cause a true engine failure.

A lot depends on the dealer.

 

[timo482]

that misses the point entirely.

if the dealer will fix it fine - that does NOT mean that hd will reimburse them at all.

hd does not have to PROVE anything - if its got a non numbered exhaust or a non numbered air cleaner its tampered, end of story.

the epa tampering law says that if its tampered with the warranty is void - the warranty printed with the bike says if its tampered with the warranty is void. hd wont warranty the engine if its tampered with.

tamper is a LEGAL term, has nothing to do with how it runs or not, what it means is that the engine no longer complies with the epa certification.

many folks try and confuse epa tampering with magnusson moss - why i havent a clue - magnussun moss will mean that the warranty on the radio is ok even if the engine warranty is void. it means that you can install a air filter made by any mfg as long as it has the little carb symbol on it or the epa compliance number. same with muffler if it has a carb number or a epa number its ok. if you however put a air cleaner and exh on the engine that do not have a carb number or a epa number then by law the warranty on that engine is void. its draconian and simple. it does not matter who makes the parts - if they have a number that lists that application to that engine its ok. v&h for example can mfg mufflers for a cvo ultra, get it approved, get a carb number on it and sell it to you, that numbered muffler would not void the warranty.

many dealers do extend personal dealer warranty coverage to bikes that they have put non compliant parts on. but you are relying on the DEALER to stay in biz and honor that dealer warranty - hd will not honor a dealer warranty, nor do they have to, in fact if hd did warrant a dealer non epa engine hd would get slapped with a big fine at some point, probably years later when it becomes worth the time to look through the books, add up the illegal claims and issue a fine with enough zeros on it to pay for the investigators time.

this HAS happened at a number of locations in the last 5 years. many companies have paid 6 and 7 zero fines in the last few years. that is why the new pc doesnt change the mixture in the rpm ranges that represent legal speeds but only change the mixture when "racing" and also why that company amongst others doesnt advertise like they used to - no cash on hand any more, it all went to epa to cover the fines.

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[Diamondback]

 

I agree that HD could do that.  However, HD replaced my 07 SEUC 110 three time, all under warranty and for sure they could have denied all three times.  The last one was on a global recall for the 110 engine.  The engine they replaced (although all of the parts were purchased and installed by the dealer) clearly did not meet the "official" warranty standard.  D&D pipes, Thundermax Fuel management etc.

I have yet to see one denied engine claim at my dealership via HD for pipes or AC or even fuel management.  However, I'm sure it has happened.

Best top leave them alone and not risk it.

 

[rickcohen]

I was having lots of issues because of the converter or so I was told by my local Harley Shop (pay stupid amount for a bike and it keeps stalling out because of pipes!!)..they wanted to place a new header on bike for about a thousand bucks more (whats wrong with this picture?)...did not mention voiding the warranty. I have a 2009 CVO Road Glide anyone know where you can get a set of inexpensive header pipes? And what I should get? Feel free to email me awpc@shaw.ca! Also thanks to I think his name was Derreck or Dexter in Reno for this site info!!! Hope your 5 thousand mile went painlessly! Thanks!
Rick

[Fired00d]

I was having lots of issues because of the converter or so I was told by my local Harley Shop (pay stupid amount for a bike and it keeps stalling out because of pipes!!)..they wanted to place a new header on bike for about a thousand bucks more (whats wrong with this picture?)...did not mention voiding the warranty. I have a 2009 CVO Road Glide anyone know where you can get a set of inexpensive header pipes? And what I should get? Feel free to email me awpc@shaw.ca! Also thanks to I think his name was Derreck or Dexter in Reno for this site info!!! Hope your 5 thousand mile went painlessly! Thanks!
Rick

Here is a set - 09 Catless Header that already has the cat removed.

Also welcome to the site when you get a chance you should go to this board - New Member Introduction and start a thread to introduce yourself.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[HOGMIKE]

I was having lots of issues because of the converter or so I was told by my local Harley Shop (pay stupid amount for a bike and it keeps stalling out because of pipes!!)..they wanted to place a new header on bike for about a thousand bucks more (whats wrong with this picture?)...did not mention voiding the warranty. I have a 2009 CVO Road Glide anyone know where you can get a set of inexpensive header pipes? And what I should get? Feel free to email me awpc@shaw.ca! Also thanks to I think his name was Derreck or Dexter in Reno for this site info!!! Hope your 5 thousand mile went painlessly! Thanks!
Rick

Find another dealer!
There should be no "issues" on a new bike IMO.

[Diamondback]

 

 

get another dealer.

 

[ak]

I was having lots of issues because of the converter or so I was told by my local Harley Shop (pay stupid amount for a bike and it keeps stalling out because of pipes!!)..they wanted to place a new header on bike for about a thousand bucks more (whats wrong with this picture?)...did not mention voiding the warranty. I have a 2009 CVO Road Glide anyone know where you can get a set of inexpensive header pipes? And what I should get? Feel free to email me awpc@shaw.ca! Also thanks to I think his name was Derreck or Dexter in Reno for this site info!!! Hope your 5 thousand mile went painlessly! Thanks!
Ric

  Look at event section meet and great 8pm lot,s of 09 serg owner there , YOU GOT NO PROBLEM  don,t stress--AK

[ak]

I,m burning my way to 1,000 post,s  break neck speed . look out i,ll get there only been on since 2003.  Ironic I,m in 1000 plus photo,s ---AK

[dartman]

Your bike should run just fine with the convertor, What issues are you having?I would run not walk to another dealer.

[Diamondback]

 

Yes, the bike should run fine stock.  Might be a little short on power, run damned hot and run quiet, but it should run without question.

If not, get to another dealer and if all else fails use the "lemon law" and a lawyer.