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head pipes?
« on: January 08, 2010, 06:37:26 PM »

Looking to replace head pipes to remove cat from the system. I'll keep the stock pipes for reinstall if need be.

I'd like to know the best fit and finish in your opinion. I'm not really concerned with eeking out every last drop of power so performance is secondary. Would love to hear opinions on your experiences.

Also looking for a slip-on that is a tad quieter than Rineharts but sound similar if anyone can suggest.

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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 06:42:02 PM »

What you looking for??...

True duals?

Retain stock look (keep left pipe running under the bike)?

2 into 1??

Give us a little more info... I guarantee we can help you spend some $$$ :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 07:11:41 PM »

Yes more info for sure thanks.

Definitely not 2 into 1.

I could go either way when it comes to true duals or stock look.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 07:36:52 PM »

I'd look into Vance & Hines, Rinehart's, Freedom Performance, Freedom Cycles. Most all will give you the option to use different mufflers since the header pipe is a standard size at the muffler end and allows to use other brands of mufflers. Rinehart's (and possible Freedom Cycles) will tie you into using there complete system... header/mufflers. I would suggest you try to see/hear as many different setups as possible on bikes similar to yours (110ci CVO's) as some will be louder then others... this will also give you the opportunity to see fit/finish of them.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 07:44:16 PM »

After doing some research I'm beginning to lean towards the V&H power duals. It seems they've developed a design offering the best of both worlds. True duals as well as true to the original under frame design of stock for rear exhaust.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 07:51:44 PM »

After doing some research I'm beginning to lean towards the V&H power duals. It seems they've developed a design offering the best of both worlds. True duals as well as true to the original under frame design of stock for rear exhaust.
Not a bad choice... haven't heard them, but they look nice on the website. :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 07:55:48 PM »

You have lots of choices and it really depends on you budget. Sound is very subjective and what is music to someone's ears may be noise to you or vice versa.
As far as head pipes, I contacted Vance and Hines as well as S&S and they both stated that if you wanted to keep low range power and torque you should stick with stock (on my 2006 FLHTCUSE -No cat then) since it was well designed. You could save money and buy a H-D 96 ci stock headpipe (No cat in those) or send it to someone like Full Sac and let them remove your cat. Only drawback to that is if state inspection laws or EPA regulations get enforced and you have to return the bike to stock condition you won't have a headpipe with cat to use.
On my 2009 FLTRSE3 I installed the Vance & Hines power duals headpipe and they seem to be good so far.
When it comes to mufflers there are many choices from having new baffles installed in your stock mufflers either by a local shop or send them to Full Sac, you can even choose the size baffles for best performance and sound levels.
I love the deep rich sound of the S&S SPO oval mufflers on my 2006, it is not annoying and you can hear your radio but they really allow the engine to breath and have a deep sound under acceleration.
I wanted to put the S&S on my 2009 but due to the extended saddlebags the oval mufflers won't fit.
On my 2009 I went with Cobra Slip ons and they have a good quality and deep sound too. I am happy with them so far and they went on the Vance& Hines head pipes well.
You may find that going to a large bike event and listening to various bikes until you find a system you like. be aware of engine sizes though because a 110" motor will be louder than a 96 or smaller motor.
If you go with a more open air filter setup you will need a tuner as well to keep your air fuel ratio correct and the motor won't run too lean with more open pipes vs. stock. Also consider doing the air intake at the time of the pipes so you save in tuning time.
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 07:59:19 PM »

Shot of my 2009 with Power Duals headpipes and Cobra mufflers.
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 08:02:02 PM »

Shot of my 2006 with stock headpipes and S&S SPO mufflers.
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 08:18:06 PM »

After doing some research I'm beginning to lean towards the V&H power duals. It seems they've developed a design offering the best of both worlds. True duals as well as true to the original under frame design of stock for rear exhaust.

I have the Vance and Hines Power Duals on my SESG.  They perform nicely and with the Vance and Hines Classic 4" slippons, sound really nice.  Keep in mind though, the Power Duals are NOT true duals, they are actually like the stock headers, 2-into-1-into-2, but without the CAT and do provide a little better performance over the stock pipes with CAT.  If you want true duals, Vance and Hines does make a set.  I think there may have been a couple here that put those one, so if you do a search on them you will find the thread....

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 08:21:31 PM »

I installed the V&H monster oval slip-on to the standard HD cat header and was pleased with the sound.  Then I replaced the HD headpipe with the V&H power duals...still sound great.

The big difference now is when I get on her, she will make some noise..... :bananarock: :bananarock:....perhap sounds a bit to good because I find myself wanting to get on her a lot more just to hear her scream...in fact my wife has on occasion nudged me to get it up.....(the RPMs I mean)
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 08:38:58 PM »

I have the Vance and Hines Power Duals on my SESG.  They perform nicely and with the Vance and Hines Classic 4" slippons, sound really nice.  Keep in mind though, the Power Duals are NOT true duals, they are actually like the stock headers, 2-into-1-into-2, but without the CAT and do provide a little better performance over the stock pipes with CAT.  If you want true duals, Vance and Hines does make a set.  I think there may have been a couple here that put those one, so if you do a search on them you will find the thread....

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Maybe forgot to mention that they look great on his SESG....
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 08:54:32 PM »

I'm putting the Fullsac head pipe on my SESG this weekend... will post pics when done. Have done the baffle change to 2.0 and so far sounds nice, no impact on hearing the stereo. I'm looking forward to the look of the Fullsac, as they are black ceramic and use the stock heat shields... looking at the chrome on the engine and seeing the bluing in the reflection has always been a bit of a downer.... we'll see how the black ceramic looks and sounds.. Fullsac states they are seeing a few HP increase over stock with cat.
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 08:01:17 AM »

I have the Vance and Hines Power Duals on my SESG.  They perform nicely and with the Vance and Hines Classic 4" slippons, sound really nice.  Keep in mind though, the Power Duals are NOT true duals, they are actually like the stock headers, 2-into-1-into-2, but without the CAT and do provide a little better performance over the stock pipes with CAT.  If you want true duals, Vance and Hines does make a set.  I think there may have been a couple here that put those one, so if you do a search on them you will find the thread....
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Yes, I have become aware of the "power chamber" technology through my research but thanks for pointing it out in case I hadn't.

Not interested in true duals anymore since the production of these "crossover" designs by V&H and BuB's have been developed. As I do more research and contrary to my original post, I believe I do actually have a preference developing towards the stock look of the right header going under the frame. Furthermore, I'm more interested in low/mid torque than horsepower which seems to make the true dual design a little less attractive to me as far as power distribution as well as functionality (heat) goes.
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Re: head pipes?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 01:20:58 PM »

I have the Vance and Hines Power Duals on my SESG.  They perform nicely and with the Vance and Hines Classic 4" slippons, sound really nice.  Keep in mind though, the Power Duals are NOT true duals, they are actually like the stock headers, 2-into-1-into-2, but without the CAT and do provide a little better performance over the stock pipes with CAT.  If you want true duals, Vance and Hines does make a set.  I think there may have been a couple here that put those one, so if you do a search on them you will find the thread....

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RedDevil, do you mean the Basic Slipons, I didn't see the Classic slipons on their web site?
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