Topic: Dual Exhaust ..Hooker or Rhinehardt ? (Read 12208 times)

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **on:** July 11, 2006, 08:34:10 PM »

ok OK ...I know this is a subjective question but I need some input from any of you that own or HAVE owned either of these exhaust systems ... I want to put a set of duals on my 03 SERK .... but I need some feedback to make an objective decesion so please endulge an ole rider .. I can buy a set of Rhineharts for 675.00 and the Hooker with the adjustable baffles for 718.00 and that includes shipping .... Ive heard the Rhineharts but not the Hookers ...any input would be appreciated.

Dude

bigdog257 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2006, 09:26:59 PM »

Bama,
I haven't heard the Hookers but have Rhineharts on my bikes and love them. Sound great in my opinion. You'd need to hear the Hookers if that's is what your going by, then make your decision. I have read that several people on hear have I beleive Freedom cycle pipes with a motor mod fro more power so maybe they can steer you in the right direction.

Bigdog

Fired00d · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2006, 10:08:27 PM »

I vote for Rineharts. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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purple haze · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2006, 10:08:58 PM »

they both suck, buy D&D boarzilla 10H.P i guarantee for sure but you must pay to play $750 to $800 they sound wicked!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

CVOwner · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2006, 10:15:43 AM »

I have the Freedoms. Upgrade from the Rineharts, (in my opinion) I love 'em, awesome sound, not too loud, untill you crank it, then you can be HEARD. I'm not a big fan of the Rineharts, dont like the sound.

Eqcons · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2006, 12:39:50 PM »

I have the Rineharts, don't like them for a number of reasons, not just the sound. I'd go with (and maybe I will!) Vance & Hines True Dual headers and SE Slipons.

Jim

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2006, 12:58:00 PM »

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I have the Rineharts, don't like them for a number of reasons, not just the sound. I'd go with (and maybe I will!) Vance & Hines True Dual headers and SE Slipons.

Jim

Thanks for the info but I am told that V&H header pipes are only 1 1/2 in ...and the 103 needs a 2' pipe as it needs a lot more air flow ..not sure but thats what Ive been told this week

Dude

HUBBARD · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2006, 12:58:11 PM »

I have a set of RINEHART's on Ol' Maudie, that were installed in June of '02. Weld Broke on the Rear Header, but that was my fault. I noticed the fastener was loose, and I tightened it. Bad move! Welded it up, and put it back on, with the fastener hand tight. I still have the New one, Gerald gave me to replace the broken one. No Worries! I'm a RINEHART Fan, myself. Whatever Brand of exhaust you choose, I would suggest you have them "Jett-Hot" coated, before installation. That not only eliminates the unsightly blue, black, purple, and brown reflection in your chrome, it gives you an additional 1 HP, from the Heat retension. There endeth the lesson. Later--HUBBARD

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2006, 01:09:07 PM »

Hey Hubbard,
I've been on the site for 9 months now and don't believe I've ever seen a post from you on how your ride came to be called Maudie. I'm sure inquiring minds would like to know if it's not personal. Understand if it is. As you know, my 03 SERK became Elvis because of all of the OCD items added to it.

Big B

Eqcons · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2006, 01:10:33 PM »

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Thanks for the info but I am told that V&H header pipes are only 1 1/2 in ...and the 103 needs a 2' pipe as it needs a lot more air flow ..not sure but thats what Ive been told this week

Dude

I don't think it's an essential by any means, so "needs" is maybe the wrong word.... All I can say is, my Rineharts are non-stop trouble.

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2006, 06:43:13 PM »

Well guys after some extensive research and talking with the head tech at my local HD shop this is the conclusion I've come to on my exhaust. According to the Tech he finds it much easier to tune a CVO when the original header pipes with the cross over is still on the bike and with a set of good slip on's. He tells me he can get more HP on the dyno out of this simple set up then he can out of Rhinehart True Duals ...or most any other Duals ...he says that the stock header pipes acts as a two into one ...tells me he should be able to get 95 to 100 HP out of my bike with this set up including the race tuner ...well I suppose I'll find out tomorrow evening ..

Dude

Michael · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:28:16 PM »

lol...Good Luck!

Garznhogs · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:40:35 PM »

Had Hooker Tuned Flow slip ons on my '96 Road King for 76,500 miles, with no trouble other than I stripped one of the adjusting nuts which I fixed with a longer screw. Sound is subjective, but everyone that heard 'em thought they sounded really good, including me. I ran them pretty well closed, in what Hooker called the "Torque" position. Wonderful low rumble, but enough bark when you twisted the wick. That, and the SE a/c was all the mods on that ride.

Garz [smiley=smoking.gif]

bigdog257 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2006, 09:47:20 PM »

Bama I find that hard to believe. If that was the case there wouldn't be all these different pipes being installed for more horsepower and torque. Everybody would use the stock pipes. I'm no motorguru but I think I'll call a BS here.

Bigdog

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2006, 10:22:28 PM »

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Bama I find that hard to believe. If that was the case there wouldn't be all these different pipes being installed for more horsepower and torque. Everybody would use the stock pipes. I'm no motorguru but I think I'll call a BS here.

Bigdog

Well Dog I suppose that could be but I was there with the intentions of buying an exhaust system ...they had incentive to lead me in that direction BUT the Tech said that on the 103 that his experience had shown what I mentioned above ..now he may be BSing ...but if he was he talked himself out of a sale ... maybe he was just being down right honest ...would'nt THAT be refreshing.. Ill know for sure after the dyno ..

Dude

HawgDoc · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2006, 12:45:01 AM »

BHD got it right. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Think logically for a second. :-/ Look at the rear head u-turn of a true dual set up and imagine how the flow can be equal to the front head... If the true dual was actually better, don't you think the moco would make it original equipment? 8-)

Ironhorse · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2006, 12:59:06 AM »

I had the Rineharts for about two months. I didn't like 'em. The left side stuck out a tad further than a short guy like me likes, and I kept burning the back of my left pant leg on them when backing up. And the sound when touring was too much for me. So I went for the Hooker true duals and was pretty satisfied. I did get tired of the sound on long tours. So when I broke some of the adjuster bolts, I dumped the Hooker slip ons and went and picked up a set of FullSac mufflers. This has been the best combo for my build and tune so far. However, I do see a set of D&D FatCats in the future.

Until then I'll stick with these cats.

kng103 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2006, 09:33:14 AM »

I have the bassani true duals with their hi output mufflers.
you can use any slip on with these pipes.
i am very happy with them.

Gettinold · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2006, 05:17:57 PM »

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Well Dog I suppose that could be but I was there with the intentions of buying an exhaust system ...they had incentive to lead me in that direction BUT the Tech said that on the 103 that his experience had shown what I mentioned above ..now he may be BSing ...but if he was he talked himself out of a sale ... maybe he was just being down right honest ...would'nt THAT be refreshing.. Ill know for sure after the dyno ..

Dude

BAMA
WAS YOUR 03 SERK UPGRADED TO A 103. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] THESE SERK'S CAME STOCK 95". [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] ALOT OF MEMBERS MADE THE SAME MISTAKE YOUR ABOUT TO MAKE, INCLUDING MYSELF, AND PURCHASED UP- GRADED SLIP-ONS TO USE WITH THE STOCK CROSS OVER HEADER. I FOUND THE RINEHARTS TO BE A MUCH BETTER STREET SYSTEM THAN ANY SLIP-ON, ON THE MARKET. LIKE HUBBARD SAYS... "THERE ENDETH LESSON".

Fired00d · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2006, 06:37:16 PM »

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BAMA
WAS YOUR 03 SERK UPGRADED TO A 103. [smiley=nixweiss.gif] THESE SERK'S CAME STOCK 95". [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif].....

'03 SERK came w/the 103 ci Motor (rode one that my buddy has and was the deciding factor in my getting my SEEG). The '02's had the 95ci motor.

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Gettinold · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2006, 07:03:08 PM »

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'03 SERK came w/the 103 ci Motor (rode one that my buddy has and was the deciding factor in my getting my SEEG). The '02's had the 95ci motor.

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Fired00d
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REALY
I THOUGHT I KNEW IT ALL. [smiley=confused5.gif]

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2006, 07:37:47 PM »

Ok guys just got back from having my bike dynoed .... now my bike only has a SE race tuner ... K&N air set up ...stock header pipes and Rush slip on's .... these are the final numbers .... 94.2 hp and 105.04 lbs of tourqe ..so you guys tell me ...is that good ..bad ..or about averege with my set up and how much would I stand to gain spending $500 to $600 more for a set of duals?

Bama

Fatboy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2006, 07:52:41 PM »

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Ok guys just got back from having my bike dynoed .... now my bike only has a SE race tuner ... K&N air set up ...stock header pipes and Rush slip on's .... these are the final numbers .... 94.2 hp and 105.04 lbs of tourqe ..so you guys tell me ...is that good ..bad ..or about averege with my set up and how much would I stand to gain spending $500 to $600 more for a set of duals?

Bama

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That's good! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Duals alone may not get you better number's. :-/

KentuckyHarleyDude · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:54:47 PM »

HERE IS A COPY OF THE DYNO SHEET ...HOPE YOU CAN READ IT ..

DUDE

hd-dude · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:18:09 AM »

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HERE IS A COPY OF THE DYNO SHEET ...HOPE YOU CAN READ IT ..

DUDE

Bama;
Your numbers are good but your AF is way rich at idle and at upper RPM's A good tuner should be able to get the AF line almost flat at the 13.2-13.5 area.

Bagger · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:14:33 AM »

Having had a set of Hookers............and since Rineharts are friggin' everywhere............I'd go with Hookers. I never had one problem with those pipes, but I'm always hearing of folks having problems with their Rineharts. I'm not saying they're bad.......it is just that I've "heard" of plenty of problems, and it seems like most FL touring bikes are wearing Rineharts.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2006, 11:45:54 PM »

Bama,

If you paid for that tune, I would definately be concerned over the work performed. that fuel line should be much closer to horizontal flat line or being slightly richer on the top end of the rpm scale.

The numbers you obtained are within reason given the type of day, temp, humidity. I personally like the sound of either the hooker or the rinehart the reason I went with the rinehart is the warranty, the chrome and the sound. They are also a stepped pipe which provide the power in the mid range and top end. In the case of the hooker, one of my buddies has them on his roadking and they sound fantastic and when its dark out and he backfires they shoot a blue flame out the tailpipe which is pretty cool.

When compared heads up the Rineharts have always produced better numbers on the dyno for me. Over the last 6 to 8 months with the rear pipe mount change they are having little issues with the pipes and if you happen to have an issue and call rinehart they have always been stand up and very responsive to any issues. For that Bub gets my money. In the 2 into 1 case its D&D or Bassani for the numbers.

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #27 on:** November 28, 2006, 10:04:19 PM »

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I hope I'm not too late here, but this site loves Reinharts..........they do sound good, but the Hooker True Duals sound better, perform better and are tunable (try to tune a set of brand B.....what you get is what you get, unless you buy multiple sets of baffels and tune your a$$ off). I LOVE my Hookers. Go with Hookers, squeeze those suckers off like 3/4 closed, put a PCIII on that bad boy and really piss off the guys that have $4-5K worth of mods on their bikes.........Don't believe me........come to So.Cal and try to catch me....._beagle

You're gettin obnoxious you know that don't you bro. I mean once, ok, twice yeah yeah, three times shut up already will ya, but man you just don't quit with this. It's your motorcycle do what you want with it. But shut up already ok bro ? Man some people just don't know when enough is enough, you tell em and it's a big waste of breath, they keep goin on and on and on and never really sayin anything you know what I mean. It's like they're think whatever they've got to say the world just can't wait to hear it or something. Drives me nuts you know. You'd think they invented the wheel or something the way they just keep harpin on a subject, or maybe they just like the sound of their own voice. Hey that's it brother, why don't you put your lips on that sucker and blow off some of this hot air you seem to have in endless supply and -- - - - - blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] Smiley jumping emoticon means I don't really mean any of this and actually I agree with my most of the time favorite brother [size=24]NOT ! [/size]

B B

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #28 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:20:32 PM »

Man is there an emoticon of a bull leaving a pie in the field ? Should be, because that's what the above thread was. 100% Grade A Meadow muffin. Cowpie. Road apples. [smiley=oops.gif]

B B

hd-dude · « **Reply #29 on:** November 29, 2006, 07:50:11 PM »

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Man is there an emoticon of a bull leaving a pie in the field ? Should be, because that's what the above thread was. 100% Grade A Meadow muffin. Cowpie. Road apples. [smiley=oops.gif]

B B

How's this B?

SPIDERMAN · « **Reply #30 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:43:32 PM »

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How's this B?

Something new ? Or did I not scroll down far enough. Either way, those are perfect Jim

Thanks
B B

110tHunDer · « **Reply #31 on:** November 29, 2006, 09:55:42 PM »

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Man is there an emoticon of a bull leaving a pie in the field ? Should be, because that's what the above thread was. 100% Grade A Meadow muffin. Cowpie. Road apples. [smiley=oops.gif]

B B

How's 'bout this one?

rc50won · « **Reply #32 on:** December 27, 2006, 05:51:27 PM »

First post to the list (just found it after 11 months with an '06 SE Ultra). I also went the slip on route with Super Trapps, EFi Kit/Race Tuner Kit. Great sound and reasonable power after dyno work. 93hp/94tq. I am pleased and they did not cost me a fortune. Dyno chart is attached.

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RC50WON
06 FLHTCUSE
06 BMW K1200R (naked is better)
05 BMW R1200GS

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Well guys after some extensive research and talking with the head tech at my local HD shop this is the conclusion I've come to on my exhaust. According to the Tech he finds it much easier to tune a CVO when the original header pipes with the cross over is still on the bike and with a set of good slip on's. He tells me he can get more HP on the dyno out of this simple set up then he can out of Rhinehart True Duals ...or most any other Duals ...he says that the stock header pipes acts as a two into one ...tells me he should be able to get 95 to 100 HP out of my bike with this set up including the race tuner ...well I suppose I'll find out tomorrow evening ..

Dude

hd-dude · « **Reply #33 on:** December 28, 2006, 03:04:52 AM »

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First post to the list (just found it after 11 months with an '06 SE Ultra). I also went the slip on route with Super Trapps, EFi Kit/Race Tuner Kit. Great sound and reasonable power after dyno work. 93hp/94tq. I am pleased and they did not cost me a fortune. Dyno chart is attached.

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RC50WON
06 FLHTCUSE
06 BMW K1200R (naked is better)
05 BMW R1200GS

RC;
Welcome to the site! You'll be glad you found us but hand onto you wallet, we'll help you spent your hard earned $'s really quick. Why don't you go here and start a post and introduce yourself: http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=cvo_nmi
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EZRIDN · « **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2007, 12:09:11 AM »

I re-read through this thread and then went out to look up more information on the Hooker Duals...this system does have some features that are pretty impressive.

http://www.holley.com/27623HKR.asp

True Dual Slash Cut System for 96+ cubic inch engines.
1985-2005 DRESSER Part #: 27623HKR

Features

   * Proven big horsepower and torque gains.
   * [highlight]Stepped header pipes [/highlight]that produce a broad power band.
   * [highlight]Metallic Ceramic Coating inside and out on internal head pipes [/highlight]
   retain heat increasing exhaust velocity for more horsepower (Industry’s First).
   * [highlight]Tuned Flow® mufflers feature adjustable flow to allow precise tuning [/highlight]
   of performance and sound quality with no disassembly (Industry’s First).
   * Full coverage heatshields for that big tube look with no visible blueing.
   * Double wall collector that protects against blueing.
   * Tuneable, throaty [highlight]sound that is adjustable up to 40%[/highlight].
   * [highlight]Specific applications for big motors with bigger primaries and larger steps
   (Industry’s First).[/highlight]
   * Everything is provided
   * exhaust gaskets, C-clips, chromed flanges, machined brackets, nuts, bolts, and instructions for easy installation.

All the above for $680.90 at www.cyclespot.com and maybe cheaper at some other sites. I haven't heard of anyone having any fitment issues with these and those that have them seem to swear by them....especially Beags.

I was thinking about going w/Freedom duals....now I may have to re-think my choices all over again. I want it all...looks, performance, sound, fitment, fuel economy and all at a price that isn't rediculous. I wish this were an easier process to decide, but given all of the options that are out there....it ain't.

grit · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2007, 04:12:05 PM »

This is my first post, on a subject near and dear ... Exhaust. I'm trying to decide what to do on my 07 FLHTCUSE2 too but here's what I've learned about exhaust. There are 3 things, sound, looks and performace. It's easy to get the first 2 but the third, performance, will drive you nutts. On my other bike, a 95ci, I've done the heads, cams, timing, 45 Mikuni etc, etc. But the first time I put it on a dyno, the operator said Grit, "your going to be real disappointed with those Rineharts." There a racing pipe!!! You'll get good high end numbers, over 112 hp was easy, but the torque will suck. It did! If I recall it was in the 80's. The baffles were too open! This was on a FLHT also so I needed torque! (We ride 2 up and tour.) I went thru 3 sets of baffles on the Rineharts. 2 1/2 inch, 2 1/4 and 2 inch. (think that's right ... it's been awhile) The 2 inch baffles producted the best torque, around 107 pds but of course the hp dropped way off and it sounded terrible. (like a metric, if you know what I mean.) I settled on the 2 1/4" to bring back the "potato, potato" sound. Even then the best sound was from the largest size baffle. Last time on the dyno it ran 105 hp and 104 torque but only after tuning the baffles with the insertion of a welded washer/bolt in each muffler. The washers are turned to adjust the exhaust flow. The more "closed" creates more back pressure and each muffler was tuned for peak dyno performance. Now I hear that Rinehart got away from those horrible springs holding the heat shield in place? I hope so because when they fly off there's no telling which state they will land in. It always happens during servicing of the bike too. I'm reading more threads before I spend any money on exhaust for the 07SE. Something tells me that this new 110's exhaust may only need individual header pipes. (to move that hot temperature away from my right thigh)

bisounours · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2007, 04:25:13 PM »

Hey Grit !

Welcome from the other border ! (FRANCE) [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Welcome on the best site for CVO's owners!

It'll be fine for the others members if you presente you in the thread " New member introduction" with a pic of your bike!

Regards
Jacques

Hoist! · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2007, 04:33:02 PM »

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This is my first post, on a subject near and dear ... Exhaust. I'm trying to decide what to do on my 07 FLHTCUSE2 too but here's what I've learned about exhaust. There are 3 things, sound, looks and performace. It's easy to get the first 2 but the third, performance, will drive you nutts. On my other bike, a 95ci, I've done the heads, cams, timing, 45 Mikuni etc, etc. But the first time I put it on a dyno, the operator said Grit, "your going to be real disappointed with those Rineharts." There a racing pipe!!! You'll get good high end numbers, over 112 hp was easy, but the torque will suck. It did! If I recall it was in the 80's. The baffles were too open! This was on a FLHT also so I needed torque! (We ride 2 up and tour.) I went thru 3 sets of baffles on the Rineharts. 2 1/2 inch, 2 1/4 and 2 inch. (think that's right ... it's been awhile) The 2 inch baffles producted the best torque, around 107 pds but of course the hp dropped way off and it sounded terrible. (like a metric, if you know what I mean.) I settled on the 2 1/4" to bring back the "potato, potato" sound. Even then the best sound was from the largest size baffle. Last time on the dyno it ran 105 hp and 104 torque but only after tuning the baffles with the insertion of a welded washer/bolt in each muffler. The washers are turned to adjust the exhaust flow. The more "closed" creates more back pressure and each muffler was tuned for peak dyno performance. Now I hear that Rinehart got away from those horrible springs holding the heat shield in place? I hope so because when they fly off there's no telling which state they will land in. It always happens during servicing of the bike too. I'm reading more threads before I spend any money on exhaust for the 07SE. Something tells me that this new 110's exhaust may only need individual header pipes. (to move that hot temperature away from my right thigh)

Hey grit, welcome aboard. I think you asked the question that everyone has asked, but no one has been able to answer. What one guy likes, the next guy hates. What performs with one bike, falls down on another. You already have experience with one brand, so you've got a headstart. I'm picking my SERK up this week and am using S&S SPO slip-ons and installing a PC. If the heat's still there, I'll go with the V&H TD's also. You're not gonna pull big numbers with the stock 110", with the stock cams from what I've seen. The ECM mods are more important for the heat than anything. If you're only doing exhaust, I wouldn't go too big. And you'll get better TQ than HP. If you're doing cams ond other engine mods, I'd look at the larger performance systems. But there's not one answer for this. There's a lot of good advice here. What you do has gotta work for you though. It's about the combined components and how well they are matched with each other, that's the secret. Finding that secret combo is the key! Good luck with your new ride!

Hoist!

Bagger · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:12:03 PM »

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I re-read through this thread and then went out to look up more information on the Hooker Duals...this system does have some features that are pretty impressive.

http://www.holley.com/27623HKR.asp

True Dual Slash Cut System for 96+ cubic inch engines.
1985-2005 DRESSER Part #: 27623HKR

Features

   * Proven big horsepower and torque gains.
   * [highlight]Stepped header pipes [/highlight]that produce a broad power band.
   * [highlight]Metallic Ceramic Coating inside and out on internal head pipes [/highlight]
   retain heat increasing exhaust velocity for more horsepower (Industry’s First).
   * [highlight]Tuned Flow® mufflers feature adjustable flow to allow precise tuning [/highlight]
   of performance and sound quality with no disassembly (Industry’s First).
   * Full coverage heatshields for that big tube look with no visible blueing.
   * Double wall collector that protects against blueing.
   * Tuneable, throaty [highlight]sound that is adjustable up to 40%[/highlight].
   * [highlight]Specific applications for big motors with bigger primaries and larger steps
   (Industry’s First).[/highlight]
   * Everything is provided
   * exhaust gaskets, C-clips, chromed flanges, machined brackets, nuts, bolts, and instructions for easy installation.

All the above for $680.90 at www.cyclespot.com and maybe cheaper at some other sites. I haven't heard of anyone having any fitment issues with these and those that have them seem to swear by them....especially Beags.

I was thinking about going w/Freedom duals....now I may have to re-think my choices all over again. I want it all...looks, performance, sound, fitment, fuel economy and all at a price that isn't rediculous. I wish this were an easier process to decide, but given all of the options that are out there....it ain't.

WOW! That is a great price. It would be nice to find that system for an 06 at that price.

UltraPolecat · « **Reply #39 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:22:38 PM »

What's different between these and the ones to fit the 06?

EZRIDN · « **Reply #40 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:23:17 PM »

Grit,

Good post and welcome to the site, man. A wealth of information awaits you...just go looking for it.

Speaking of information, I will pass this little tid-bit along...I spoke with James at Freedom Cycle earlier today to get some more info on their Freedom duals for my 03 SERK application and all I can say for now is just hold onto your money/buying decision til say mid-February. There are some new items coming out/being debuted at the Cincinnati show from several big players and you just may find what you are looking for. Having said this, it is my hope that people don't go running to the phone and start hounding the folks at FCC...suffice to say that they won't divulge much more than what I am telling you now. Just be patient and wait for another couple weeks or so and you will be pleasantly surprised/informed on whats coming.

Hey it's still winter anyway in most places and you can't ride...so, go chase momma around the house in the meantime.

Bagger · « **Reply #41 on:** January 16, 2007, 08:42:30 PM »

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What's different between these and the ones to fit the 06?

I haven't a clue other than Cyclespot says it fits up to 05. Of course, I haven't delved too far into it either. I'm torn between V&H and Hooker..........and I'm not in a hurry right now. I'm certain there is a system for 06.........I just wonder if it can be had for the same great price.

grc · « **Reply #42 on:** January 16, 2007, 09:03:16 PM »

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I haven't a clue other than Cyclespot says it fits up to 05. Of course, I haven't delved too far into it either. I'm torn between V&H and Hooker..........and I'm not in a hurry right now. I'm certain there is a system for 06.........I just wonder if it can be had for the same great price.

Bagger,

It's most likely that one of two things happened; either the description on the pipes was never updated after '05 (which I've seen on other parts), or this was the knee-jerk reaction to the tougher EPA regs which debuted for the '06 model year. There should be no actual fitment issue between the '05 and the '06 exhaust.

Jerry

FLHRSE3 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 16, 2007, 09:05:02 PM »

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Grit,

Good post and welcome to the site, man. A wealth of information awaits you...just go looking for it.

Speaking of information, I will pass this little tid-bit along...I spoke with James at Freedom Cycle earlier today to get some more info on their Freedom duals for my 03 SERK application and all I can say for now is just hold onto your money/buying decision til say mid-February. [highlight]There are some new items coming out/being debuted at the Cincinnati show from several big players and you just may find what you are looking for[/highlight]. Having said this, it is my hope that people don't go running to the phone and start hounding the folks at FCC...suffice to say that they won't divulge much more than what I am telling you now. Just be patient and wait for another couple weeks or so and you will be pleasantly surprised/informed on whats coming.

Hey it's still winter anyway in most places and you can't ride...so, go chase momma around the house in the meantime.

That is exactly what I have been anticipating (well, really hoping for anyway).

Gregg

Bagger · « **Reply #44 on:** January 16, 2007, 09:13:07 PM »

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Bagger,

It's most likely that one of two things happened; either the description on the pipes was never updated after '05 (which I've seen on other parts), or this was the knee-jerk reaction to the tougher EPA regs which debuted for the '06 model year. There should be no actual fitment issue between the '05 and the '06 exhaust.

Jerry

Thanks Jerry. I need to do my homework......it just isn't a pressing issue right now. It is further complicated by the choice. Since I've had both on other bikes, and loved them both, it is hard to make up my mind. Perhaps Hooker for the TD header.......so I get the stepping action, with V&H Ovals, which have the best sound I've ever heard. Need to do my homework.

Screamin_Beagle · « **Reply #45 on:** January 16, 2007, 09:52:03 PM »

Don't screw around.......buy the Hookers. They are infinately adjustable for what ever you have planned (or not planned in the future....may save some $$$ in the future)....they sound great (maybe a little loud for the "old farts" out there.......but make GOBBS of torque......pinch those baby's off and go like hell.......). I've been a big fan of these pipes as well as the first guy to promote the Doherty Power Pacc (other than BB who gave me mine.....thanks bro....gotta give credit where credit is due....remember the silly puddy?

???LOL)........the shtick just plain works...........Make sure you get the right pipes.....thay make a set of head pipes for 95" and less......and one for 96" and bigger....the adjustibility is up to you...or your tuner. Give it the chance, you won't be dissappointed.

_Beagle

I just had to throw my $.02 in......

Bagger · « **Reply #46 on:** January 16, 2007, 10:05:06 PM »

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Don't screw around.......buy the Hookers. They are infinately adjustable for what ever you have planned (or not planned in the future....may save some $$$ in the future)....they sound great (maybe a little loud for the "old farts" out there.......but make GOBBS of torque......pinch those baby's off and go like hell.......). I've been a big fan of these pipes as well as the first guy to promote the Doherty Power Pacc (other than BB who gave me mine.....thanks bro....gotta give credit where credit is due....remember the silly puddy????LOL)........the shtick just plain works...........Make sure you get the right pipes.....thay make a set of head pipes for 95" and less......and one for 96" and bigger....the adjustibility is up to you...or your tuner. Give it the chance, you won't be dissappointed.

_Beagle

I just had to throw my $.02 in......

Had 'em before Beags..............and LOVED them. The only problem is I've had a set of V&H Big Shots Long on the same scoot after 95" conversion, and loved them too. In other words..........I want 'em both. I know it is hard to compare the Hooker TDs to the V&H BS Longs with the Power Chamber............but they're both damn good systems. Definitely sticking with duals on both sides instead of everything running down one side like the BS Longs did. And I like Hooker's stepped headers, so I'll probably go with the Hooker headers. The real sticking point is the mufflers. Hookers or V&H Ovals. Hookers are adjustable.......and I appreciated that when I was running a PCIIIUSB. However those Ovals just do it for me. They look and sound great, and from what I've felt, they can pin my ears together behind my head when I pounce on the throttle..........and that is what I want. TORQUE! I could care less about HP. Like I said..........just doin' my homework.

UltraPolecat · « **Reply #47 on:** January 17, 2007, 07:10:19 AM »

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Bagger,

It's most likely that one of two things happened; either the description on the pipes was never updated after '05 (which I've seen on other parts), or this was the knee-jerk reaction to the tougher EPA regs which debuted for the '06 model year. There should be no actual fitment issue between the '05 and the '06 exhaust.

Jerry

Thats what I was hoping for. I could not think of a single difference between the two that would make any difference. I had never seen the Holly's before and I am interested in finding out more.

I want to get some pipes later this summer and I am making my list now.

RedDevil · « **Reply #48 on:** January 17, 2007, 10:31:58 AM »

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Had 'em before Beags..............and LOVED them. The only problem is I've had a set of V&H Big Shots Long on the same scoot after 95" conversion, and loved them too. In other words..........I want 'em both. I know it is hard to compare the Hooker TDs to the V&H BS Longs with the Power Chamber............but they're both damn good systems. Definitely sticking with duals on both sides instead of everything running down one side like the BS Longs did. And I like Hooker's stepped headers, so I'll probably go with the Hooker headers. The real sticking point is the mufflers. Hookers or V&H Ovals. Hookers are adjustable.......and I appreciated that when I was running a PCIIIUSB. However those Ovals just do it for me. They look and sound great, and from what I've felt, they can pin my ears together behind my head when I pounce on the throttle..........and that is what I want. TORQUE! I could care less about HP. Like I said..........just doin' my homework.

Bagger,
Torque is what you'll get with the V&H ovals. I paired those up with the V&H true duals and although my HP was only a tad over 86 at 5500rpm, my torque jumped up from 92 stock, to over 107 lbft at around 3000-3500 rpm...right where torque is really nice to have. Seat of the pants feel is nice when you roll the throttle on.
Cheers [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif],
Red

Midnight Rider · « **Reply #49 on:** January 17, 2007, 11:19:45 AM »

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Bagger,
Torque is what you'll get with the V&H ovals. I paired those up with the V&H true duals and although my HP was only a tad over 86 at 5500rpm, my torque jumped up from 92 stock, to over 107 lbft at around 3000-3500 rpm...right where torque is really nice to have. Seat of the pants feel is nice when you roll the throttle on.
Cheers [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif],
Red

You guys with the 07's have a bit of an advantage in the TQ department...bigger motor for one thing, but equally or more important is that it comes in earlier (lower RPM). I think the cam is slightly different than the 103's. Good tq numbers though, Red...

Screamin_Beagle · « **Reply #50 on:** January 17, 2007, 07:42:25 PM »

OH Sh$t!! Do I gotta buy a new set of pipes now?

?......The Hookers are the best I've seen (first hand)....now I gotta go buy a freakin' set of VH and try em out........ I do have to tell you that I had a White Bro's E series on my old softail.....same concept as the VH?

With the flow plates?

? Teach the newbie?

? and they were great. That was a 2 into 1 though. I think in either case, you're not gonna be off more than 2 or 3 lbs either way. Go with the look you like best. In the end, if they both perform +/- the same......go for the best look. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

_Beagle

Bagger · « **Reply #51 on:** January 17, 2007, 11:07:13 PM »

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OH Sh$t!! Do I gotta buy a new set of pipes now??......The Hookers are the best I've seen (first hand)....now I gotta go buy a freakin' set of VH and try em out........ I do have to tell you that I had a White Bro's E series on my old softail.....same concept as the VH? With the flow plates?? Teach the newbie?? and they were great. That was a 2 into 1 though. I think in either case, you're not gonna be off more than 2 or 3 lbs either way. Go with the look you like best. In the end, if they both perform +/- the same......go for the best look. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

_Beagle

Workin' on it, Beags. Here's a question: Have you noticed any yellowing on on your Hooker mufflers? I had that problem near the point at which they connected to the headers, and about midway back. I've never heard of the Ovals doing that...........Yeah, I know it is a tuning challenge, but just about every set of Hookers I've seen has the yellowing.

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