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[tall drink of water]

Has anyone heard of replacing 110 with a Milwaukee Eight motor. I have a 2015 CVO RGU. Since Harley doesn't seem to believe CVO RGU is a bike to build.

[VaEagle]

I have not heard of this swap being done yet. My guess is it's too soon of a motor to have many donor motors available from used bikes and hard to get ahold of a factory fresh spare motor too.
My father always told me not to buy any first year vehicle with major changes such as a motor etc. so I would  not be the "test dummy". So I personally would wait until all the bugs get worked out first.......

[r0de_runr]

So I personally would wait until all the bugs get worked out first.......

Now that is funny right thar.

[ultrafxr]

Now that is funny right thar.

Doubt he meant it to be funny but it is.  Waited ten long years for the moco to work out the bugs in the 110 and even longer for the entire twinkie platform.  Guess they just gave up and said ***k it but we their loyal customers are the ones who got the shaft.

[grc]

Doubt he meant it to be funny but it is.  Waited ten long years for the moco to work out the bugs in the 110 and even longer for the entire twinkie platform.  Guess they just gave up and said ***k it but we their loyal customers are the ones who got the shaft.

     Every time someone makes a comment about waiting for Harley to get the bugs out, I either roll my eyes, quietly shake my head, or sometimes break out laughing.  There is a secret to "getting the bugs out" that Harley has never learned.  First, you have to understand you have bugs.  Then you have to actually give a chit about eliminating those bugs.  Finally, you have to spend the time and money to fix it, versus the usual "ignore it and maybe it will go away" response.  Even though I'm not from Missouri, Harley management will have to show me before I'll ever believe they care about customers.

Jerry

[VaEagle]

OK I guess I should have said "most of the bugs found" vs. all the bugs being fixed. 
Thinking back on the past I remember early problems with the EVO and over time it became a reliable motor, then first year or two problems with the Twin Cam then it became more dependable until the 110 came out and first year issues with that motor.
I do hate the attitude of "They all do that" or having to buy the Screamin Eagle upgrade kit to fix a known problem, why doesn't it come with improved parts to begin with? I know they get money on parts and service so no incentive to do it right the first time.

[KGB]

   Every time someone makes a comment about waiting for Harley to get the bugs out, I either roll my eyes, quietly shake my head, or sometimes break out laughing.  There is a secret to "getting the bugs out" that Harley has never learned.  First, you have to understand you have bugs.  Then you have to actually give a chit about eliminating those bugs.  Finally, you have to spend the time and money to fix it, versus the usual "ignore it and maybe it will go away" response.  Even though I'm not from Missouri, Harley management will have to show me before I'll ever believe they care about customers.

Jerry

You would think they would want to jump on the problem that Harleytacticalnut was having so people on this forum and others would say wow look at that customer service! But from what I have experienced and witnessed in this forum and in person, I agree they don't care, at some point in time it will catch up with them,  IMHO


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[barrhill]

ya they do make a motor for that its a S&S 124lc

[FLSTFI Dave]

My father always told me not to buy any first year vehicle with major changes such as a motor etc. so I would  not be the "test dummy". So I personally would wait until all the bugs get worked out first.......

Like they did with the 110?  Seems they still have failed lifters, 9 years into production.....

[J.D.]

Their strategy seems to be "let's find all the parts that have no significant issues and make/source them cheaper".

[HighOnHD]

Well ISKI you probably won’t come to my rescue this time, but here it goes again. My bike is in the shop getting rebuilt @35k miles for the “hard to complain about” $50 deductible. So rather than me being out riding my bike I have the pleasure of enjoying (and responding) to GRC’s posts… again.

   Every time someone makes a comment about waiting for Harley to get the bugs out, I either roll my eyes, quietly shake my head, or sometimes break out laughing.  There is a secret to "getting the bugs out" that Harley has never learned.  First, you have to understand you have bugs.  Then you have to actually give a chit about eliminating those bugs.  Finally, you have to spend the time and money to fix it, versus the usual "ignore it and maybe it will go away" response.  Even though I'm not from Missouri, Harley management will have to show me before I'll ever believe they care about customers.

Jerry

So are you talking about the time and money that was spent paying for all of the engineering and re-tooling  necessary for the new engine? Does that count? Oh I forgot. The Engineers and the rest of the employees at HD (according to you) couldn’t possibly be paid very much because they are just idiots!
Also, why would HD spend all the time, expense, and labor on the resigned engine when according to some all they needed to do to make the 110 bullet proof was put in some better lifters and springs, and quit putting in the cheap stuff? Wow. I guess those penny pinchers at HD management really must have been sleeping on the job to allow those engineers to spend all that money!

You know maybe HD should just solve all their problems and hire you GRC! You obviously have ALL of the answers!

BTW. Don’t you think it is about time that you change your little score below your signature? How about being honest and change the current score to love 0, hate 100, bewildered 0. Someone who knows everything couldn’t possibly be bewildered.

Cheers.

[DICKW]

ya they do make a motor for that its a S&S 124lc

This 

[charles05663]

Well ISKI you probably won’t come to my rescue this time, but here it goes again. My bike is in the shop getting rebuilt @35k miles for the “hard to complain about” $50 deductible. So rather than me being out riding my bike I have the pleasure of enjoying (and responding) to GRC’s posts… again.


So are you talking about the time and money that was spent paying for all of the engineering and re-tooling  necessary for the new engine? Does that count? Oh I forgot. The Engineers and the rest of the employees at HD (according to you) couldn’t possibly be paid very much because they are just idiots!
Also, why would HD spend all the time, expense, and labor on the resigned engine when according to some all they needed to do to make the 110 bullet proof was put in some better lifters and springs, and quit putting in the cheap stuff? Wow. I guess those penny pinchers at HD management really must have been sleeping on the job to allow those engineers to spend all that money!

You know maybe HD should just solve all their problems and hire you GRC! You obviously have ALL of the answers!

BTW. Don’t you think it is about time that you change your little score below your signature? How about being honest and change the current score to love 0, hate 100, bewildered 0. Someone who knows everything couldn’t possibly be bewildered.

Cheers.

Three letters...EPA

The 110 could not meet current EPA emissions standards and needed to be redesigned to reduce emissions.  They did this by lowering the head temps to reduce pollutants.

 

I also think that it has been proven by other third party vendors that the 110 can be made reliable.  I think HD did a cost analysis and figured they could make more money by tricking customers into fixing the problems then doing it right.  I am sure they make quite a pretty penny selling the "improved" SE parts.

[HighOnHD]

Three letters...EPA

The 110 could not meet current EPA emissions standards and needed to be redesigned to reduce emissions.  They did this by lowering the head temps to reduce pollutants.

 

I also think that it has been proven by other third party vendors that the 110 can be made reliable.  I think HD did a cost analysis and figured they could make more money by tricking customers into fixing the problems then doing it right.  I am sure they make quite a pretty penny selling the "improved" SE parts.

I would not say the EPA is not a PITA for HD but sorry I don't buy the EPA "head temp" argument. In my opinion here's why. The twin cooled heads according to the very same aftermarket experts now have stable temps. So in all actuality HD who BTW actually has all of the data and stats on the head and valve train issues obviously knew they had to do a redesign! Otherwise those "all powerful bean counters" would have won out and spent the easy money on the so called simple fix of replacing lifters and springs to make it bullet proof. Instead they spent time and money and did what needed to be done.

[ultrarider123]

Has anyone heard of replacing 110 with a Milwaukee Eight motor. I have a 2015 CVO RGU. Since Harley doesn't seem to believe CVO RGU is a bike to build.

Hey Tall, with your thread going South so quickly, I'm betting you may be rethinking asking that question now, huh......

Good golly fellers, all ol' Tall wanted was to know if swapping out a twin cam to M8 has been done yet.  Y'all turned it into the MoCo ain't got no engineers or bean counters run the place or which is a better motor......

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