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[bisounours]

So where did you get the settings for the decel mods, Horse?   Did it improve things, or make no difference?

Jim

Basic settings ....

[bisounours]

So where did you get the settings for the decel mods, Horse?   Did it improve things, or make no difference?

Jim

Decel fuel cut....

[Eqcons]

Decel fuel cut....

Thanks Jacques   , but I knew how and where to change the settings, what I don't know is where old Cheval-de-fer got the figures he used, i.e. "The Decel Fuel Cut is activated, the range is set from a high of 2500 to a low of 1280, and the Decel Post Fuel Enrichement is set at 10."  - how did he get those figures??

Jim

[bisounours]

Thanks Jacques   , but I knew how and where to change the settings, what I don't know is where old Cheval-de-fer got the figures he used, i.e. "The Decel Fuel Cut is activated, the range is set from a high of 2500 to a low of 1280, and the Decel Post Fuel Enrichement is set at 10."  - how did he get those figures??

Jim

Good question 

Jacques

[Eqcons]

I still have popping on decel. The Decel Fuel Cut is activated, the range is set from a high of 2500 to a low of 1280, and the Decel Post Fuel Enrichement is set at 10.

Ok, I tried those settings on mine too, and confirm that I still have a lot of decel popping, though I would guess that it's improved - maybe reduced 30 or 40%.

But the question remains: IRONHORSE, ARE YOU LISTENING?  WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE SETTINGS??

Jim

[Rhino]

Hey guys,  I said before, the release of Zippers firmware is not yet official. Too many bugs in it, causing problems in the testing.  The new software is out, but will NOT work with the latest firmware that was RELEASED to a select few.  If the decel mode is active while linked, you are using the BETA firmware.  Frankly, it is not a good idea, but as noted, many have NO patience.  You are on your own with that one, no support or fix is available as of this date. Now, tommorrow may be a different story, and on the 10th of October, I will be cornering Zippers to get some details. As a matter of fact, they will be at Destination Daytona, at the ZIppers Booth, during Biketoberfest here in FL.

Rhino

Ok, I tried those settings on mine too, and confirm that I still have a lot of decel popping, though I would guess that it's improved - maybe reduced 30 or 40%.

But the question remains: IRONHORSE, ARE YOU LISTENING?  WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE SETTINGS??

Jim

[rednectum]

thanks rhino, i didnt want to bust any bubbles. people jjacking with new firmware when a tuner coulda fixed problem with old firmware!!

[Ironhorse]

Guys,

My new ECM came with the software installed. That's what John Kitz told me, that it was already loaded. I did not bootleg it off another site. Zippers included it in the ECM. Everything I have, Zippers sent me. They also sent me an updated manual om CD ROM too, but I AM NOT going to post it because I don't want to get my ass chewed out again. As for the settings, well I have tried to contact Zippers for help and support, but I guess they are all busy and out of town because I'm not getting any response. Some of you may have experienced this too from Zippers on other issues. And since the factory settings were not working, I decided to try the "adjust and ride" method. I know it's "tuning in the blind" but I was without help or direction from Zippers.

So I noted where the rpm range where the decel popping was occuring, it between 2,500 and damn near idle. I reset the range for 2,500 and as close to idle as possible 1,280. The bike kind of lurched a little when the rpms got below 1,280, so I raised the lower setting back up to about 2,000, down from the original setting of 2048. I kept the upper range at 2,500, up from the original setting of 2,400. With what I considered to be reasonable range settings I decided to work with the other adjustment, Decel Post Fuel Enrichment. It can be adjusted two ways, up or down. So I decided to start incrementing it down a little at a time and riding it to see what happens. It is now down to 10 with no real change. So I will probably start incrementing it up. Like I said, I know it's tuning in the blind, but what else can be done when you can't get someone on the line or via e-mail to help out.

So I guess the answer is YES I AM LISTENING. It's just that I have a product with the new software loaded (at least that's what they told me), and no support from them on how to adjust it. So if anyone here has working knowlege on this system that is equal to Zippers, I'd be thankful for some help. If not, then I will continue to make changes and take notes until I find a combination that works.

[Eqcons]

Guys,

My new ECM came with the software installed. That's what John Kitz told me, that it was already loaded. I did not bootleg it off another site. Zippers included it in the ECM. Everything I have, Zippers sent me. They also sent me an updated manual om CD ROM too, but I AM NOT going to post it because I don't want to get my ass chewed out again. As for the settings, well I have tried to contact Zippers for help and support, but I guess they are all busy and out of town because I'm not getting any response. Some of you may have experienced this too from Zippers on other issues. And since the factory settings were not working, I decided to try the "adjust and ride" method. I know it's "tuning in the blind" but I was without help or direction from Zippers.

So I noted where the rpm range where the decel popping was occuring, it between 2,500 and damn near idle. I reset the range for 2,500 and as close to idle as possible 1,280. The bike kind of lurched a little when the rpms got below 1,280, so I raised the lower setting back up to about 2,000, down from the original setting of 2048. I kept the upper range at 2,500, up from the original setting of 2,400. With what I considered to be reasonable range settings I decided to work with the other adjustment, Decel Post Fuel Enrichment. It can be adjusted two ways, up or down. So I decided to start incrementing it down a little at a time and riding it to see what happens. It is now down to 10 with no real change. So I will probably start incrementing it up. Like I said, I know it's tuning in the blind, but what else can be done when you can't get someone on the line or via e-mail to help out.

So I guess the answer is YES I AM LISTENING. It's just that I have a product with the new software loaded (at least that's what they told me), and no support from them on how to adjust it. So if anyone here has working knowlege on this system that is equal to Zippers, I'd be thankful for some help. If not, then I will continue to make changes and take notes until I find a combination that works.

Thanks for that, IH!     Please let us know what the results of your Post Fuel Enrichment settings are as you go up the way, so I can try it too.

[rednectum]

wow. iron horse, spoke to zippers friday and was told the new ware was to be released soon!. we could only assume yoiu had a copy of the firmware that was leaked after sturgis.

BTW, on your decel pop, dont look at rpm where pop occurs, look at tps. usually adjustments at idle tps and a little below will help. it may be popping at around 2000 rpm, but its when closing throttle, so reference tps.  hoping that  made sense.

[Ironhorse]

on your decel pop, dont look at rpm where pop occurs, look at tps. usually adjustments at idle tps and a little below will help. it may be popping at around 2000 rpm, but its when closing throttle, so reference tps.  hoping that  made sense.

So using the "tuning in the blind method", how would I do this? Tape and mark the grip, and then note where the grip (TPS position) is during pop.
This will tell me what rpm and tps is, correct? Throttle closed, or partially closed (or whatever the degree is) at 2,500 rpm. But how does that translate as to where make changes under the basic settings? And what changes do I make? I know I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, so help me out here.

[Eqcons]

So using the "tuning in the blind method", how would I do this? Tape and mark the grip, and then note where the grip (TPS position) is during pop.
This will tell me what rpm and tps is, correct? Throttle closed, or partially closed (or whatever the degree is) at 2,500 rpm. But how does that translate as to where make changes under the basic settings? And what changes do I make? I know I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, so help me out here.

I think that the throttle position is a red herring, Horse.  First, it'll be closed - that's where it is on deceleration, that's where it pops.  Secondly, there's no real way to cut the fuel at low revs on the AFR v TPS screen for decel only, or the bike wouldn't tick over!  That's why they've introduced these new settings that your playing with.  I think you're on the right lines, but you need to play with that Decel Post fuel enrichment setting.  Interestingly, a carb motor gives decel popping when the Idle jet is too small, making the AFR too lean - maybe you need to go the other way with the enrichment setting...

Jim

[rednectum]

I think that the throttle position is a red herring, Horse.  First, it'll be closed - that's where it is on deceleration, that's where it pops.  Secondly, there's no real way to cut the fuel at low revs on the AFR v TPS screen for decel only, or the bike wouldn't tick over!  That's why they've introduced these new settings that your playing with.  I think you're on the right lines, but you need to play with that Decel Post fuel enrichment setting.  Interestingly, a carb motor gives decel popping when the Idle jet is too small, making the AFR too lean - maybe you need to go the other way with the enrichment setting...

Jim

yep, that is why i say reference throttle position, if you try and adjust at say 2500 rpm and 30 % tps, you will miss the target. because tps is at 0 or 11 or whatever the software shows at closed throttle.

you can adjust at less than idle rpm and have great results, first, engine fires off of startup fuel setting, second, if adjustments are made at less than idle, they will not affect running, butr will affect popping.

remember version 1.2? thats how you had to do it then when someone had lots of reversion from bad pipes. same reason they now have to decel cut off or whatever settings. good tune/pipes dont have popping anyway. so we have to work around, and just like adding mix screw adjustments and sometimes upping the pilot on carb bikes,  we target early rpm on efi. however, efi allows us to go below idle rpm for adjustments, this helps alot. and dont forget, timing in this low rpm area will surely help popping also.

[Eqcons]

yep, that is why i say reference throttle position, if you try and adjust at say 2500 rpm and 30 % tps, you will miss the target. because tps is at 0 or 11 or whatever the software shows at closed throttle.

you can adjust at less than idle rpm and have great results, first, engine fires off of startup fuel setting, second, if adjustments are made at less than idle, they will not affect running, butr will affect popping.

remember version 1.2? thats how you had to do it then when someone had lots of reversion from bad pipes. same reason they now have to decel cut off or whatever settings. good tune/pipes dont have popping anyway. so we have to work around, and just like adding mix screw adjustments and sometimes upping the pilot on carb bikes,  we target early rpm on efi. however, efi allows us to go below idle rpm for adjustments, this helps alot. and dont forget, timing in this low rpm area will surely help popping also.

All the things we hoped that TMAT would do automagically for us! 

[Ironhorse]

Well, after using the "tuning in the blind" method with no acceptable results I got frustrated. So I reloaded the exact same MAP into the ECM, and reintialized. I didn't even clear the IAC offsets. I just started the bike and monitored it up to 280 degrees. The IAC vs engine temp stayed where it was. Then I took the bike out for a ride. At first it popped just like before, but slowly started to go away, at least that was my perception. My time was short, so it was a short ride. I'm going to try and ride it more this week and see how it does. I'm hoping this takes care of it.