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Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« on: October 20, 2007, 12:28:33 PM »

After much discussion, the dealer gave me the SERT map for my SERK3.  I loaded the race tuner software, opened the map and it looks empty.  On top of that the date is April 07 instead of last week and the description is Rinehart, and I have V&H TD with Ovals.

Can someone walk me through a few steps to open the map and verify it is a modified map please?

Thanks

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 01:33:50 PM »

I'll send you my phone number and I would be happy to help you through it.... Now I'll see if I can figure out the message system here.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 01:37:35 PM »

I sent a PM but I am not sure if it went as I don't see a way to check it.  Let me know if you recieved it.  If not, I will try to send another one.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 08:45:52 PM »

Skreminegul,

You are looking at the map in basic mode.   Change the mode to advanced mode to see more information.   If you have questions just give me a call and I will walk you through it all.

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 09:54:36 PM »

Skreminegul,

You are looking at the map in basic mode.   Change the mode to advanced mode to see more information.   If you have questions just give me a call and I will walk you through it all.

-harry

Thanks Harry. 
New member Springer gave me his number and he spent about an hour with me on Sat.  It was a very informative call. 
He is at Bigboys (?) in Augusta, Me.  He uses a Factorypro Dyno.  They do head work as well.

From Springer:
Here is our site http://www.bigboyzheadporting.com
check out tech article section and the calculators section.  In tech rticles is a writeup called "SERT, What is it?"

Here is a link to the 08 results I mentioned ...
http://harleychatgroup.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=34602



My numbers were ok, 91/110 for basic stock I think.  Its not any cooler and the decel is crappy.  It had no decel pop before.

I'd like to make changes in that area.  Do you have experience with that?

Thanks
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 09:56:12 PM »

deleanment tables for doing that. 
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 10:22:29 PM »

deleanment tables for doing that. 

i see that it is based on temperature.  Have you done any tweaking in that area?  Does it need only slight changes?  The manual said sometimes you add fuel sometimes you remove.  Is it just a matter of trial and error?  its from 2000 -1500 rpm.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 11:09:43 PM »

On the Decel Enleanment table try dropping the 64-112C  settings about 5 clicks at 1 unit setting.

Did you hook up the SERT to the bike and read the CAL id to see if it matched the final map they gave you?
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 11:23:46 PM »

On the Decel Enleanment table try dropping the 64-112C  settings about 5 clicks at 1 unit setting.

Did you hook up the SERT to the bike and read the CAL id to see if it matched the final map they gave you?

I'll do that tomorrow. 

From the SERT Manual

   Increment increases fuel removed from the engine at a given temperature.
• Decrement decreases fuel removed from the engine at a given temperature.

So you want me to drop the number which actually adds fuel?
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 02:50:00 AM »

I have to read that everytime I make an adjustment to decel enleanment.  Add 5 to start with (increase the fuel REMOVED).  Make sure that every time you make a change you save it as a NEW file name and don't overwrite your current map.  You have to save it before it will upload.

Don't forget to check the cal id BEFORE loading a new map.

BTW, did comparing the base map to the tuned map show changes in the VE and Timing?
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 11:23:31 AM »

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2007, 01:10:34 PM »

I have to read that everytime I make an adjustment to decel enleanment.  Add 5 to start with (increase the fuel REMOVED).  Make sure that every time you make a change you save it as a NEW file name and don't overwrite your current map.  You have to save it before it will upload.

Don't forget to check the cal id BEFORE loading a new map.

BTW, did comparing the base map to the tuned map show changes in the VE and Timing?

Yes, I did connect and verify the base map was 159QF001.  I tried the change as you suggested, but no help and the idle was considerably lower.
I put the dealer map back.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 06:40:39 PM »

It was Late and I was tired when I responded last time.  I reread the thread and opened up the SERT and double checked and my first post was correct.  Drop (lower) the number about 5 clicks at 1 units.  This ADDS fuel.  See if that makes a difference.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 07:02:52 PM »

It was Late and I was tired when I responded last time.  I reread the thread and opened up the SERT and double checked and my first post was correct.  Drop (lower) the number about 5 clicks at 1 units.  This ADDS fuel.  See if that makes a difference.

I got it retuned today.  I lost about 2 HP/ 3 TQ but the popping is gone.  From what I can see, the only changes made were to the VE Tables, no timing, decel or any other tanbles/ values were changed.
Does this seem right to an experienced SERT engineer?

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 10:54:08 PM »

Are there any timing changes as compared to the 159QF001 that came on the SERT?  If the timing was not changed from the canned map it is only half tuned IMO.
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