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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 11:02:38 PM »

If there were no timing changes you should be having a very candid converstation with the dealership.   These bikes come extremely lean and very detuned.   I would take the stock map and print out the timing tables on both cylinders then print out the map the dealer made for you and use 2 highlighters one yellow for front one orange for rear and and block out to show where any timing changes were made.    If all they did was add fuel I would ask the dealership for the stepped run print out to show they did anything other than put the newer map in place and maybe tweak the fuel a tiny bit.    What number is your final run printed out like run 8 run 15?    

Looking at this lets say you did stepped runs both cylinders from 2 percent to say 20 percent that 2,5,7,10,15,20   that is 12 runs then you have sweeps from say 30 percent to 100 percent lets just say you did 4 or 5 of those on the bike each cylinder that is another 10 that is 22 runs then you have fine tuning on the bike and some runs to get rid of decel pop if there is any.   I would guess you would be anywhere from 22 --> up in runs from your dyno tune if it were a full dyno tune using a race tuner.   There is a reason that the SERT takes 4+ hours to tune, most take a lot longer.

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 11:14:42 PM »

Here's the map.  The base map/cal is 159QF001.  Very frustrating.  It runs OK, but you guys make me think it could have run much better and cooler.

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 11:44:54 PM »

This dealer took your money and did not give you what you paid for

They did not change any closed bias tables, they did not change ANY Timing,.  From 750-3000 rpm they changed the volumetrics by 1 unit across all tables other than 0 percent throttle and one or 2 changes in 2 percent throttle.   From 3500 - 7000 RPM all they changed was the volumentrics by 2 units across the entire map.   

Please see the pictures below you can easily do the comparisons table for table and see for yourself where any changes have been made. 

Happy to go over this to help you understand what I am talking about if you need it just let me know.

Sorry I edited this I am taking some meds for my back and this really set me off that dealers treat customers like this.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 11:53:14 PM »

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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2007, 11:53:54 PM »

closed bias compare
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2007, 11:54:27 PM »

front cylinder timing
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2007, 11:54:56 PM »

rear timing
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2007, 11:55:37 PM »

ve front cylinder
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 11:56:10 PM »

ve rear
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 11:56:50 PM »

front 3500 up on VE's
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 11:57:26 PM »

ve rear cylinder 3500 rpm up
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 11:58:24 PM »

please note the stock map is on the top and your map for comparison is on the bottom.

If you have any questions please let me know,

-harry
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2007, 12:13:26 AM »

Map they gave to you for your bike with the notes / constants
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2007, 12:41:34 AM »

It looks like a minimal amount of work was done.  While I have a different opinion of some of the tuning concepts outlined by unbalanced, for the most part I agree with what he has stated.
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Re: Help verifying the SERT map is actually real
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2007, 07:38:41 AM »

Map they gave to you for your bike with the notes / constants


Thanks for the time guys.  I looked at all the tables and was dissapointed to see that only VE tables were changed. 
I'm attaching the new dyno results.
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