Topic: Enabling EITMS on 2011 (page 81 owners manual) (Read 12996 times)

brr5 · « **on:** January 20, 2011, 08:32:02 AM »

Has anyone tested this feature (factory default is it is disabled)? It's too cold here in Montana so I was just curious if any one has tried and liked the feature. I know when I got my bike back in October, when I sat at a red light on a warm day the engine would start to get very warm next to my legs. I thought about trying it but it got cold too quickly for me to remember to turn the feature on.
Thanks,
Bob

porkypig · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:43:22 AM »

Well, Bob, I am about like you. I have an '11 also so I too have that feature. Beings it is not hot enough just yet (I got my new bike on October 8th,) I went thru the manual and it seemed like it was disabled according to the flashing light on the dashboard. Whether it truly is disabled, only the warmer weather will tell. I know what it was like to go thru 100 degree heat waiting in a line of cars trying to get into an Elton John concert last summer. That bike was shaking and clanging (my 2010) so bad I thought it was going to blow up. I truly hope this feature will resolve that problem. I'll take the heat in my crotch over destroying the engine! ha! Pork.

Envithyx · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2011, 08:44:23 AM »

I don't know if the factory sends this on or off by default, but know that both my bikes came with it enabled. However, think the dealer sets this up. Only way to be sure of the setting is to flip it and determine where it was. Process is quick.

You'll know if it kicks in as your idle will feel funny. Personally, I don't like it. I've since removed it on the 09 when I replaced the ecm, and now that I got a tuner on the 11, plan to turn it off once I can check heat levels in the summer.

Edit: I should have noted that it kicked on this past weekend when doing parade duty looking for parking at the Easy Rider's bike show. Temps were not that high, about 60 I think, but I did have my lowers completely shut so air flow was minimal.

brr5 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2011, 10:16:27 AM »

Personally, I don't like it.

Can you tell me what you didn't like about it when it was kicked in?
Thanks

Envithyx · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2011, 03:29:45 PM »

Quote from: brr5 on January 20, 2011, 10:16:27 AM

Personally, I don't like it.

Can you tell me what you didn't like about it when it was kicked in?
Thanks

Of course, the reasons are mostly personal, much akin to one liking a color scheme or not. In my case:

1. The idle gets funny, lopsided is probably the best way to describe it. Dislike both in feel and how it sounds.
2. Seems to add a bit of a delay when you start to throttle up as it kicks cylinder 2 back in. I don't like the engine behaving differently, throws all your senses into what's wrong mode.

Guess if it were to happen regularly, one could get used to it and then it wouldn't be as big of an issue. When it has kicked in, it has only been when I have come to a stop - as I believe it is designed. I've never sat at a stop long enough for heat to become an issue. I'd rather use a richer fuel mixture to cool the engine and keep the engine responsive than deal with the delay that I perceive.

porkypig · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »

Yeah, it sounds like the engine is about to shake apart. It sounds like there isn't any lubrication. It sounds like you're about to invest a whole lot of $$ into your dearly beloved. It feels like your crotch is gonna have a big raspberry when you get home. Reality is the rear cylinder gets shut down but you do get considerable pressure coming out of the tail pipe because of the little black equalizer tube between the tailpipes. The first time it happened I thought there was truly something wrong and that it might blow up. In theory it is a good idea, I suppose, but in reality you wish you could just turn it off. On my 2010 I couldn't, on the 2011 I believe I can! Pork

Envithyx · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2011, 06:39:41 PM »

Quote from: porkypig on January 20, 2011, 06:32:07 PM

In theory it is a good idea, I suppose, but in reality you wish you could just turn it off. On my 2010 I couldn't, on the 2011 I believe I can! Pork

I'm not 100% sure on the '10, but think it can be turned off by the dealer. I'm glad they made this a user controlled setting on the '11s though.

All the service guys at the dealership nearby turn the setting on their bikes off. Don't think I've met one yet that uses it. They feel it kicks in too prematurely.

pm203 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2011, 06:54:42 PM »

What is EITMS anyway?

Envithyx · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2011, 07:20:22 PM »

Quote from: pm203 on January 20, 2011, 06:54:42 PM

What is EITMS anyway?

Engine Idle Temperature Management System

They describe it as follows:

For those riders who frequently find themselves in riding conditions where the vehicle is subjected to prolonged idle conditions or traffic congestion, the motorcycle is equipped with and Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS) to provide limited cooling of the rear cylinder.

When engine temperature reaches a pre-determined point, the EITMS will turn off the rear cylinder fuel injector. Idle speed will be maintained, however the rear cylinder will become and "air pump" which will work to cool the engine.

EITMS will activate (rear cylinder will turn off) when all of the following conditions are met:

Engine temperature is greater than 287 degrees F domestic (165 deg C international)
Twist grip opening is at idle
Vehicle speed under 1 mph (2km/h)
Engine speed under 1200 RPM

EITMS will disable (rear cylinder will again fire) if any one of the following occurs:

Engine temperature falls below 275 deg F domestic (135 deg C international)
Twist grip opening is greater than idle
Vehicle speed exceeds 2 mph (3 km/h)
Engine speed exceeds 1350 RPM
Clutch is released with vehicle in gear

When the engine is in EITMS operation, you may notice a difference in idle cadence. Additionally, there may be a unique exhaust odor. These are both considered to be normal conditions.

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OH, rereading the following sections (not going to post) shows that vehicles are delivered from the factory with EITMS disabled. However, it seems a lot of dealers turn it on when they do the setup.

Lots of info above, but rather just copy the text than paraphrase it and get something wrong.

pm203 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2011, 07:34:51 PM »

Thanks for the info. I will have to disable mine.

dcigar · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:59:04 PM »

just got off the phone with the service manager at harley city, i asked if it had been enabled on my bike and was informed he only enables it if specifically asked for, and does not advise unless consantantly in traffic congestion, so all go out in melbourne disabled

MikeV · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:26:46 PM »

It was enabled on my 2010 ConV. I can enable or disable anytime as it is a computer setting that is available in the TTS software. I plan to leave mine always enabled because it does not take much to get these 110's all hot and bothered. When you need it you NEED it and every little bit helps if you get caught in traffic.

MikeV

dayne66 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:48:06 PM »

I thought you had to turn the throttle back beyond idle to turn the back cylinder off.

SteveFLHTK · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:54:59 PM »

My understanding (and the way it works on my 2010 Limited) is you can turn EITMS on or off by rolling the throttle back beyond idle for a few seconds when stopped. It only activates when it's needed....I guess my question is, why would you ever want it off? If it's not needed it doesn't activate, if it is needed, it does.

grc · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2011, 08:56:50 PM »

Quote from: dayne66 on January 21, 2011, 08:48:06 PM

I thought you had to turn the throttle back beyond idle to turn the back cylinder off.

That method only works on bikes that have electronic throttles (no cables). And it doesn't work on demand, the trick with the throttle roll back is part of a procedure that you perform with the engine off to set the automatic system either to enabled or disabled. Once enabled, the actual shutdown of the rear cylinder is controlled by the ECM based on the criteria posted earlier (engine temp, rpm, throttle opening, etc.).

Bikes without electronic throttles require either a visit to the dealer for a download, or as noted by MikeV you can turn it on or off with the TTS MasterTune software.

Jerry

ezpgh · « **Reply #15 on:** January 22, 2011, 04:29:04 PM »

Quote from: grc on January 21, 2011, 08:56:50 PM

That method only works on bikes that have electronic throttles (no cables). And it doesn't work on demand, the trick with the throttle roll back is part of a procedure that you perform with the engine off to set the automatic system either to enabled or disabled. Once enabled, the actual shutdown of the rear cylinder is controlled by the ECM based on the criteria posted earlier (engine temp, rpm, throttle opening, etc.).

Bikes without electronic throttles require either a visit to the dealer for a download, or as noted by MikeV you can turn it on or off with the TTS MasterTune software.

Jerry

You can enable or disable anytime the bike is not moving, running or not.

LarryB · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2011, 04:34:02 PM »

read your owners manual thoroughly. its on the 09's,10's and 11's. you can enable/disable with the bike off. no need to hook up a computer or take it to dealer

Envithyx · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2011, 04:46:42 PM »

Quote from: LarryB on January 22, 2011, 04:34:02 PM

read your owners manual thoroughly. its on the 09's,10's and 11's. you can enable/disable with the bike off. no need to hook up a computer or take it to dealer

I'm sure this is more or less something that is bike year/model specific.

I can guarantee you that there are no provisions in my manual to flip this setting on my 09 FXSTSSE3. I would have had to take her into the dealer.

grc · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:08:11 PM »

Here's a suggestion: Someone with a current model Touring bike or Convertible scan and post the instructions from your manual detailing how to enable or disable the system. Cuts out all the who shot John misinformation.

For those who don't have rider controlled EITMS, it can still be either turned off or turned on by the dealership or through the use of software packages like TTS MasterTune.

Jerry

Oh, and btw, ezpgh is correct, Harley changed the system so that now you don't have to have the engine shut off to do the enable or disable routine, you just have to be at idle sitting still. However, that just enables or disables the ability of the system to work automatically, it doesn't mean you can shut down the rear cylinder at will by rolling back the throttle. The other conditions must still be present for the system to shut down the rear cylinder, ie. cylinder head temp, rpm, sitting still, throttle position, etc.

Enable/Disable EITMS
1. Turn the ignition ON with the bike at idle and not moving (the bike may be running or not running).
2. Push the throttle to roll-off position and hold.
3. After approximately 3 seconds, the cruise indicator will flash either red (disabled) or green (enabled).
4. Repeat procedure to change.

Envithyx · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:41:12 PM »

Quote from: grc on January 22, 2011, 07:08:11 PM

Here's a suggestion: Someone with a current model Touring bike or Convertible scan and post the instructions from your manual detailing how to enable or disable the system. Cuts out all the who shot John misinformation.

Great idea. Here the pics come, sorry for the quality (although still readable) used my phone and too sick to get up and fetch my real camera. I just happen to keep my user manuals close to where I sleep. You never know when you'll wake up with a question in your head that needs answering.

5 Pics in all.

Envithyx · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:41:36 PM »

Envithyx · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:41:57 PM »

Envithyx · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:42:39 PM »

2009 Cabled Throttle variety.

Envithyx · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:44:27 PM »

grc · « **Reply #24 on:** January 22, 2011, 10:25:22 PM »

Thank you. Glad to see I haven't lost my mind and that the "bible" corresponds to what I've been telling people.

Jerry

Mount'nman · « **Reply #25 on:** January 23, 2011, 12:01:49 AM »

EITMS on my FLSTSE2 has activated several times when stopped in traffic... I can tell mostly be the change in sound.. idle is still smooth and the back cylinder comes alive at the slightest throttle up.. I leave the feature enabled...

ezpgh · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2011, 07:57:48 PM »

Quote from: LarryB on January 22, 2011, 04:34:02 PM

read your owners manual thoroughly. its on the 09's,10's and 11's. you can enable/disable with the bike off. no need to hook up a computer or take it to dealer

You can only disable/enable via throttle on fly by wire bikes, and it does not need to be off. I've had one and changed at lights or any time I was still.

hogsty · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2011, 11:16:09 PM »

Quote from: grc on January 22, 2011, 10:25:22 PM

Thank you. Glad to see I haven't lost my mind and that the "bible" corresponds to what I've been telling people.

Jerry

Are you sure?

kraut · « **Reply #28 on:** January 26, 2011, 05:30:39 AM »

Quote from: Mount'nman on January 23, 2011, 12:01:49 AM

EITMS on my FLSTSE2 has activated several times when stopped in traffic... I can tell mostly be the change in sound.. idle is still smooth and the back cylinder comes alive at the slightest throttle up.. I leave the feature enabled...

it's very usefull indeed as an early warning. I would never disable it.

PierceEye · « **Reply #29 on:** January 29, 2011, 01:04:26 PM »

LOL Hell I just learned soemthing new about my 2010 Conv
I thought the EITMS was only on the new non-cable systems.
Now it all makes sense.........I live in Tampa and right after I bought it i went on a poker run and we were stop and go all day and a couple of times I thought the idle changed at a stop and then I did smell this wierd smell like something was hot...i.e. the manual says you could have a "unique odor" LOL

Yup I missed that somehow when I "thought" I read the freaking manual inside and out! Dealer never said a damn thing to me about it on mine; but when I was there last week he was showing me the system on a 2011 on the floor

FYI everyone...it is that red color and they have a 2011SEUCEG in he Red/Black....Tampa Harley...see Gary or Josh...good guys

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