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Title: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: hd-dude on July 30, 2008, 12:47:46 AM
Here's a link to a PDF file for the 2009 Model Year Tech Forum (http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s)

It is a large pdf document that outlines the 2009 model changes

Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: BALIS on July 30, 2008, 02:12:58 AM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: d o g o l s on July 30, 2008, 06:53:17 AM
Here's a link to a PDF file for the 2009 Model Year Tech Forum (http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s)

It is a large pdf document that outlines the 2009 model changes



thanks  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Screamin on July 30, 2008, 07:15:22 AM
Good poop. Thanks Jim.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: sportygordy on July 30, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Here's a link to a PDF file for the 2009 Model Year Tech Forum (http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s)

It is a large pdf document that outlines the 2009 model changes



Good Post,, thanks.. This is going to keep me busy on the Pot for awhile.  :bananarock:
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: CVOJOE on August 01, 2008, 02:59:53 AM
Thanks Jim, nice to see the comparison between MOCO model lines.  :2vrolijk_21:  :2vrolijk_21:
Joe
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Chief on August 01, 2008, 05:23:50 PM
Great post Jim. Thanks.

Looking at the frame diagrams, it doesn't look like they've done anything to cure rear-steer. The swing-arm is still mounted to the tranny and hangs onto two big rubber donuts on the rear. What they have done is send every single rear stabilizer bracket manufacturer back to the drawing board since they've changed the two mounting points that everyone uses for attaching the brackets.

I guess in their eyes, it's a win-win day for them when they can make things easier on them and harder on the aftermarket.

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: skreminegul07 on August 02, 2008, 08:09:56 AM
Great post Jim. Thanks.

Looking at the frame diagrams, it doesn't look like they've done anything to cure rear-steer. The swing-arm is still mounted to the tranny and hangs onto two big rubber donuts on the rear. What they have done is send every single rear stabilizer bracket manufacturer back to the drawing board since they've changed the two mounting points that everyone uses for attaching the brackets.

I guess in their eyes, it's a win-win day for them when they can make things easier on them and harder on the aftermarket.

:indian_chief:

Chief, don't you think with an upper motor mount in the front and two lower mounts at the bottom of each down tube plus the rear mounts will eliminate or reduce the twist?
BTW, Rev Tech just announced their own version of a stabilizer inside front cover of new AIM.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Hoist! on August 02, 2008, 10:34:51 AM
Chief, don't you think with an upper motor mount in the front and two lower mounts at the bottom of each down tube plus the rear mounts will eliminate or reduce the twist?
BTW, Rev Tech just announced their own version of a stabilizer inside front cover of new AIM.

 :worthless:

Hoist! 8)
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: mrmagloo on August 02, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
Here's a link to a PDF file for the 2009 Model Year Tech Forum (http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s)

It is a large pdf document that outlines the 2009 model changes


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Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: hd-dude on August 02, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
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I can email a copy to you....
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Chief on August 02, 2008, 05:48:18 PM
Chief, don't you think with an upper motor mount in the front and two lower mounts at the bottom of each down tube plus the rear mounts will eliminate or reduce the twist?
BTW, Rev Tech just announced their own version of a stabilizer inside front cover of new AIM.

The problem is not twisting, but shifting, side to side. The rear of the motor is not located laterally with any precision and there isn't anything back there to prevent side loads on the rear tire from shoving the whole kit an kaboodle sideways. The brackets all aimed to give a rigid mount to the transmission pan to prevent any sideways shifting.

I still see two big rubber donuts in the back which tells me, more of the same.

I saw that. "Just in time for obsolescence" I thought.

:indian_chief:
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Twolanerider on August 02, 2008, 05:56:13 PM
:worthless:

Hoist! 8)

For reference here is one currently listed on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250271166161
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: skreminegul07 on August 02, 2008, 06:48:28 PM
For reference here is one currently listed on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250271166161

Looks like patent infringement to me.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: sportygordy on August 03, 2008, 12:07:16 AM
Anyone have reviews our feedback on the Glide Pro's???? I talked to a guy this morning that swears by it.. But i have a hard time thinking of the $400 bucks for a couple of bushings and shaft...


http://www.glide-pro.com/?gclid=CMrXtazl8JQCFSY1agodfw9crQ
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Sean M Cary on August 03, 2008, 09:11:41 AM
For reference here is one currently listed on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250271166161

Twolane - what's your thought of this against the True-Track?  the TT is on the top of my list of needs for the SERK...windshield, seat, gear cams and a True Track.

All I saw in searches for REVTECH were references to their motors.

Sean
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Twolanerider on August 03, 2008, 12:05:54 PM
Sean, try the eBay search by:

Revtech stabilizer

When I did that two current listings presented.


As for one device over the other for this task...  I know some of us here get a bit religous about one of these devices over the other.  I've installed one of the Alloy Art devices and a couple each of the Ride Str8 and True Track.  I've got no religion on the topic. 

They all accomplish tasks toward the same end and do it in similar ways.  They also seem to be similarly successful.  This Revtech offering is just another variation on the same theme.  If one seems esthetically or financially more pleasing those are probably as good as any other reason to choose between them.  I wish I could, but I can't offer any hard and fast criteria that would suggest any one is significant improvement over the other.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: skreminegul07 on August 03, 2008, 12:11:25 PM
Others van verify, but I believe True Trak is family owned and has offered us really good deals in the past.   I got one for $275 shipped 6 months ago.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Sean M Cary on August 03, 2008, 01:14:34 PM
Others van verify, but I believe True Trak is family owned and has offered us really good deals in the past.   I got one for $275 shipped 6 months ago.

yeah, there is a thread on a group buy someone put together.

That is a good price from what I have found.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: sportygordy on August 03, 2008, 07:51:39 PM
Others van verify, but I believe True Trak is family owned and has offered us really good deals in the past.   I got one for $275 shipped 6 months ago.

Wow, $275 was that a group buy cost??  Do you remember who was offering that hot deal??
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Fired00d on August 03, 2008, 08:32:02 PM
Wow, $275 was that a group buy cost??  Do you remember who was offering that hot deal??
The deal was direct from True-Track (see here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=19496.0)) however that group buy was for a limited number of units that sold out quickly. True-Track is still offering a discount to members (see here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20647.0 :oops:)).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: sportygordy on August 06, 2008, 01:33:45 AM
I've noticed there has been a lot of good group deals in the past and wondering how do we get a group buy going on the new Rev Tech Stabilizer? Or, how do the group buys get organized on CVO? Are members allowed to pursue and set up group buys? I noticed on another thread there was mention of a  CVO group buy board, can members try to set something up and get approved by the board?? Just curious how this bit works..
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: Twolanerider on August 06, 2008, 01:41:50 AM
I've noticed there has been a lot of good group deals in the past and wondering how do we get a group buy going on the new Rev Tech Stabilizer? Or, how do the group buys get organized on CVO? Are members allowed to pursue and set up group buys? I noticed on another thread there was mention of a  CVO group buy board, can members try to set something up and get approved by the board?? Just curious how this bit works..

Gordy, it's a complicated process fraught (sic :nixweiss: ) with danger and intrigue.  First off you have to have the wild hair to do it.

Ok, on second thought that's about it :drink: .



Slightly more to the point.  Do the obvious things.

If there is a product you are interested that you think others might contact the manufacturer.  Tell them you are in the process of putting together a group purchase and ask what their various levels of discount might be for different quantities.  Also find out if for that discounted price they'll only ship in bulk to you or if they'll handle individual shipping and payment from each buyer.  That makes a bit of difference in the administrative hassle for you.

Once that's all ironed and you can relay good information to the masses; do so.  See how much interest there is and move through the acquisition process.

Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: miker on August 06, 2008, 09:01:27 AM
Ride str-8
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: grc on August 06, 2008, 09:09:54 AM
The problem is not twisting, but shifting, side to side. The rear of the motor is not located laterally with any precision and there isn't anything back there to prevent side loads on the rear tire from shoving the whole kit an kaboodle sideways. The brackets all aimed to give a rigid mount to the transmission pan to prevent any sideways shifting.

I still see two big rubber donuts in the back which tells me, more of the same.

I saw that. "Just in time for obsolescence" I thought.

:indian_chief:

I tend to agree, but only time and miles will tell if the overall result of the mount changes, stiffer frame, and definitely beefier swing arm will at least reduce the rear steer and wobble.  I'm guessing it will, but the operative word is "guessing".

For the 2050 model the pool boy's girlfriend claims they plan to eliminate the rubber mounting of the swingarm when they go to shaft drive.  The engine and trans will still be rubber mounted, but a CV joint will allow for the resulting relative movement between the trans and the now rigidly mounted rear wheel.  A geriatric Willy G., after slapping himself on the back and causing a coughing fit, will look up and realize that he is still 50 years behind the times, as a Goldwing with warp drive whooshes past.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: mr_magoo on August 06, 2008, 09:17:29 AM
There is new geometry in the new frame, steering head angle is different, bike is longer or so I heard.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: grc on August 06, 2008, 09:19:55 AM
There is new geometry in the new frame, steering head angle is different, bike is longer or so I heard.

Steering head angle is still 26°, so no change there.  The trail did increase slightly.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: 2PAK on August 13, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
I just had the True-Track installed this morning on my CUSE3.  We'll see how it performs over the next few weeks.  I'm taking a trip to Vancouver Island over Labor day (two-up) so that should also provide some feedback while in the sweepers to Tofino.
Title: Re: 2009 Model Year Technical Forum
Post by: NWbiker on August 13, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
Was at the dealer today and they had a 09 Road Glide and a Road King in and I noticed that the down tubes in the front where heavier (thicker).  The salesman told me that the front upper engine mount is now a solid mount.  Would love to take one out and put it through the corners to see if its different.