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[HOGMIKE]

I think this topic has been discussed awhile back, but, I just noticed on EGlide goodies site that they offer the screen oil filter setup that looks pretty nice.
Anyone running one???

They also claim:

OFR-10: Independent testing by Hot Bike Magazine indicated torque gains of 8-10 ft. lb. are achievable by simply using this high-flow oil filter.  It works by reducing the drag that paper filter elements place on engines.  Clleanable, reusable direct spin-on replacement for OEM oil filters. Fits '84 to current.

Like my daddy used to say: "If it smells like a skunk...."

Just wondering.

[Fired00d]

I think this topic has been discussed awhile back, but, I just noticed on EGlide goodies site that they offer the screen oil filter setup that looks pretty nice.
Anyone running one???

They also claim:

OFR-10: Independent testing by Hot Bike Magazine indicated torque gains of 8-10 ft. lb. are achievable by simply using this high-flow oil filter.  It works by reducing the drag that paper filter elements place on engines.  Clleanable, reusable direct spin-on replacement for OEM oil filters. Fits '84 to current.

Like my daddy used to say: "If it smells like a skunk...."

Just wondering.

Your Dad was a wise man I don't use this product but I would be reluctant to believe that statement.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Twolanerider]

"Independent testing by" a magazine .


Testing comes from a lab. 

Advertising and circulation generation come from a magazine.

... and never the twain shall meet.


(proper citation to Rudyard Kipling!)

[grc]

"Independent testing by" a magazine .


Testing comes from a lab.  

Advertising and circulation generation come from a magazine.

... and never the twain shall meet.


(proper citation to Rudyard Kipling!)

   

I've gotten to the point of skipping over any magazine articles that purport to be a "test" of a product that just happens to have a full page ad (or two) in the same mag.  And in the case of all the magazines I've read specifically directed at Harley riders, the staff of the magazine isn't technically competent enough to describe a valid test, much less perform one.  They usually just take the bike and device to be tested to a convenient dealership nearby, or even better to the folks selling the product, and have them do the install and a dyno run or two.  The one's I love the most, however, are the so-called "road tests" of new Harley models.  Once again, no technical explanations or actual performance numbers like acceleration, braking, etc., just a regurgitation of the sales blurb put out by the MoCo, usually limited to one page or less of actual text.

As for the mesh filter and the performance improvement, the only way a filter can improve engine output is by reducing the resistance to flow, thus reducing the amount of power consumed by the oil pump.  The way a filter reduces resistance is by using less restrictive filtering media (bigger holes) and less of it.  If you prefer a comparison from a HVAC system, take a cheap standard furnace filter and compare it to a pleated filter like the 3M Filtrete line of filters.  The cheap filter flows more air and places less drag on the blower, but it doesn't filter out anything smaller than a chunk of gravel and quickly allows the blower and ducts to be filled with dust particles.  The Filtrete version filters much smaller particles, but the better filtration does cost a little more in terms of air flow.  Which would you prefer, lower drag or cleaner air (or oil in the case of the engine)?  As a wise person once said, there is no free lunch, and you don't get anything for nothing.  When people try to sell you a product that promises something for nothing, a wise person walks away.

Jerry

PS.   If you think it's really worth it to go with a less effective filter just to gain a couple foot pounds of torque, let me offer up another idea that will expand on that performance gain.  Remembering that it's all about reduction of the resistance to oil flow, just think how much more you will gain if you use a thinner fluid that will also reduce the resistance to flow.  The ultimate system would be to eliminate the filter completely and also run 10 weight oil.  Just make sure you don't try to sell that bike to me after you do this.

[DESERTBEAR54]

 

[akultra]

I have seen this on other fourms. Most say not me, I guess the strongest case for there use is made in  aviation  it is my understanding that
there use is pretty much standard military also. The up front cost is what hangs me up. As to hp gains I have no clue.

[Talon]

Like many have said before if you could get thet kind of gain for so few bucks, the factory would jump all over it!!

[Gecko]

Yup, if there was a 10 hp sparkplug (anybody see Split-fires anymore?), a magnet that gave 5 more mpg (gasoline isn't magnetic), an 8-10 lb-ft oil filter, or a little metal blade you stick in your intake to give you all three - every vehicle made would have them.

[grc]

I have seen this on other fourms. Most say not me, I guess the strongest case for there use is made in  aviation  it is my understanding that
there use is pretty much standard military also. The up front cost is what hangs me up. As to hp gains I have no clue.

Not so sure about that.  Being approved for aviation use, as claimed in their ad, doesn't automatically mean that everyone uses this filter.

If you want a similar cannister/filter element setup that cleans the oil as well as the spin-on filters, look at the H-D system with the disposable elements.  No power increase claims, but for those who enjoy cleaning out cannisters instead of just tossing the entire filter, at least that one will clean the oil.  Awfully pricy for something that requires more work to get the same result, however.

BTW, for those old enough to remember, there was a time when cars had a reuseable metal filter.  VW comes to mind, and that "screen" that you cleaned at each oil change was good for keeping nuts, bolts, and large rocks out of the oil pump.  Speaking from experience, that system helped keep a lot of VW mechanics employed, rebuilding engines every 30k miles.

I personally believe someone should buy up the rights to this filter, the X-Wing thing, the magnet thing, the Plasma spark plug thing, etc., and come out with a complete kit or "bundle".  Just think how much power and improved mileage you could get with just one purchase.

Jerry

[Gecko]

Not so sure about that.  Being approved for aviation use, as claimed in their ad, doesn't automatically mean that everyone uses this filter.

If you want a similar cannister/filter element setup that cleans the oil as well as the spin-on filters, look at the H-D system with the disposable elements.  No power increase claims, but for those who enjoy cleaning out cannisters instead of just tossing the entire filter, at least that one will clean the oil.  Awfully pricy for something that requires more work to get the same result, however.

BTW, for those old enough to remember, there was a time when cars had a reuseable metal filter.  VW comes to mind, and that "screen" that you cleaned at each oil change was good for keeping nuts, bolts, and large rocks out of the oil pump.  Speaking from experience, that system helped keep a lot of VW mechanics employed, rebuilding engines every 30k miles.

I personally believe someone should buy up the rights to this filter, the X-Wing thing, the magnet thing, the Plasma spark plug thing, etc., and come out with a complete kit or "bundle".  Just think how much power and improved mileage you could get with just one purchase.

Jerry

I remember doing oil changes on VWs with the screen.  It was like something you'd see on a kitchen sink.  I don't remember ever seeing anything that it had trapped, however.  Still we dutifully washed it in kerosene and put it back in.

And I like the snake oil packaging idea.  Stage 1 gets you the first level fuel upgrades with a magnet, little thing you drop in your gas tank, maybe a couple moth balls.  Stage 2 is the Tesla package and adds the capacitor wires, cork screw spark plugs and other physics-defying bits.  Stage 3 really gets things moving with the turbulator intake fan, oxygen in a pop-top can, and a 120-octane racing fuel because it's so "volatile".  You have to spring for the whole shebang to get into oil additives.

[Twolanerider]

I remember doing oil changes on VWs with the screen.  It was like something you'd see on a kitchen sink.  I don't remember ever seeing anything that it had trapped, however.  Still we dutifully washed it in kerosene and put it back in.

And I like the snake oil packaging idea.  Stage 1 gets you the first level fuel upgrades with a magnet, little thing you drop in your gas tank, maybe a couple moth balls.  Stage 2 is the Tesla package and adds the capacitor wires, cork screw spark plugs and other physics-defying bits.  Stage 3 really gets things moving with the turbulator intake fan, oxygen in a pop-top can, and a 120-octane racing fuel because it's so "volatile".  You have to spring for the whole shebang to get into oil additives.

Don't forget the drag-coefficient lessening Hyper-Wax.  Increases speed and improves fuel economy 65%!

[DESERTBEAR54]

That's like the New Harley Aero Dynamic front tires that have new high speed grooves that increase your Miles Per gallon. I think somehow they give you more Horsepower if you fill them up to max load.

[Twolanerider]

That's like the New Harley Aero Dynamic front tires that have new high speed grooves that increase your Miles Per gallon. I think somehow they give you more Horsepower if you fill them up to max load.

And use nitrogen.  Nitrogen helps the wax too.  Actually nitrogen makes everything better.  Nitrogen narcosis inside your helmet even makes the ride more fun.  Especially if the helmet is Hyper-Waxed.