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[Occam]

Well, I thought I'd chime in on a 110" noise thread.
Just took a little jaunt yesterday, over 10 hours that covered everything from mountains to valley, scorching heat to low 70's, parade speed to rolls into triple digits.

I have 1250 miles on my scoot, and I run full synthetic in all the holes from the stealership.
From 3k rpm up, maintaining speed in almost any gear, it souds as though the flying monkeys caught the Tin Man napping and gave him a blanket party - using ball bearings.
The racket sounds very much like the stock six-banger in my '55 Bel Air with solid lifters. It tends to change with engine braking, acceleration and throttle position vs rpm. 3rd gear or above at 2200 makes an altogether lower and deeper knocking which I presume to be the piston slap others refer to.
Oh, and did I mention it overheats in 15 seconds once it is at operating temperature? Roll down the road nice and sedate, stop at a light and less than halfway through the red it drops the back cylinder out. Related? Hmmm...

I'm pretty upset atm so will curtail further comment so as to keep a civil, positive  and constructive thread going.
I do not look forward to spending my own money to correct a bunch of obvious engineering gaffs. I also cannot afford to make non-sanctioned changes as I have a total of 5 years warranty, 3 of which I purchased over the first 24 months from the MoCo. I refuse to piss that money away too.
You get into 5 figures for a motorcycle, you should expect the exhaust note to be louder than the valvetrain.
 

[HDDOCFL]

09 SERG and its the quietest twin cam I have owned to date.   Doc

[grc]

Well, I thought I'd chime in on a 110" noise thread.
Just took a little jaunt yesterday, over 10 hours that covered everything from mountains to valley, scorching heat to low 70's, parade speed to rolls into triple digits.

I have 1250 miles on my scoot, and I run full synthetic in all the holes from the stealership.
From 3k rpm up, maintaining speed in almost any gear, it souds as though the flying monkeys caught the Tin Man napping and gave him a blanket party - using ball bearings.
The racket sounds very much like the stock six-banger in my '55 Bel Air with solid lifters. It tends to change with engine braking, acceleration and throttle position vs rpm. 3rd gear or above at 2200 makes an altogether lower and deeper knocking which I presume to be the piston slap others refer to.
Oh, and did I mention it overheats in 15 seconds once it is at operating temperature? Roll down the road nice and sedate, stop at a light and less than halfway through the red it drops the back cylinder out. Related? Hmmm...

I'm pretty upset atm so will curtail further comment so as to keep a civil, positive  and constructive thread going.
I do not look forward to spending my own money to correct a bunch of obvious engineering gaffs. I also cannot afford to make non-sanctioned changes as I have a total of 5 years warranty, 3 of which I purchased over the first 24 months from the MoCo. I refuse to piss that money away too.
You get into 5 figures for a motorcycle, you should expect the exhaust note to be louder than the valvetrain.
 

I fully understand your frustration, as I went through the same thing after my purchase in '05 with the lousy driveability issues that H-D wouldn't fix.  Once you calm down, however, you need to look at what it will take to at least make your bike enjoyable.  I would suggest, assuming the MoCo and the dealer have no answers for you, that while it really ticks you off to have to spend additional money on top of the ridiculous prices they charge for these things, doing so is much better than just being unhappy every time you ride the bike.  IMHO, the biggest improvement for the buck will come with the addition of a tuning device and a good tune.  It will definitely improve the overheating and detonation issues, with the added bonus of making the bike run much better and smoother.  Just don't use the SEST, which leaves a trail for them to use against you in any warranty dispute.  Stick with something that can be undone easily and won't leave evidence behind.


Jerry

[Occam]

Thanks Jerry,
I have TTS and a non- cat header & different mufflers (spares, so I keep the stock ones). My plan is totally reversible.
I am concerned now about the thing simply surviving normal usage. Metal on metal has not been a good sound for engines in my past experience.
Sure, if it fails, warranty covers it, but I'm still out of a bike and the stealership seems to take eons to repair major engine work under warranty.
My friend had his RK Classic turned 103 (warranty by dealer) and when a lifter went flat it took almost 6 weeks to get the bike back.

So far as spending more to keep happy, I get the concept, but it's been past 60 days and any work will not be warranteed by MoCo, only stealer if willing. Thus, the added 3 years warranty will be shot where it is most likely to be needed.
Wish I'd found this site BEFORE I bought LOL.

I suppose the plan of action is simply to ride, live with what sounds like the birth of a solar system between my knees, and if it breaks let the stealer repair it.
Maybe that would be a good time to slip better parts in on the DL labor dime, pay the difference in parts cost.

[HD Street Performance]

That's one approach
I had a new 81 Camaro that used a quart every 100 miles and the dealer would not fix it. They told me they had to do a certified closed crankcase oil consumption test. I lived 200 miles from the dealership so I could not even get home and back there for the test without seizing the motor. I went to a close by Circle K, sat there pissed and thought long and hard, then in the parking lot held the throttle wide open and let it rip until it hung a rod out the block. Then had it towed in. That got the car in their que at least and a month and a half later I had a new motor.

I hate this junk and feel all of your pains. It is too bad especially when the CVO bikes are marketed as a "better" exclusive type of bike. Too bad but looks like HD means "half done" besides "hundred dollars"

In the AMF days so much of this stuff flew but today we have a much different demographic of buyers and they are much more demanding, as they should be.

I hope the MOCO gets their stuff together.

[jarica]

Well, I thought I'd chime in on a 110" noise thread.
Just took a little jaunt yesterday, over 10 hours that covered everything from mountains to valley, scorching heat to low 70's, parade speed to rolls into triple digits.

I have 1250 miles on my scoot, and I run full synthetic in all the holes from the stealership.
From 3k rpm up, maintaining speed in almost any gear, it souds as though the flying monkeys caught the Tin Man napping and gave him a blanket party - using ball bearings.
The racket sounds very much like the stock six-banger in my '55 Bel Air with solid lifters. It tends to change with engine braking, acceleration and throttle position vs rpm. 3rd gear or above at 2200 makes an altogether lower and deeper knocking which I presume to be the piston slap others refer to.
Oh, and did I mention it overheats in 15 seconds once it is at operating temperature? Roll down the road nice and sedate, stop at a light and less than halfway through the red it drops the back cylinder out. Related? Hmmm...

I'm pretty upset atm so will curtail further comment so as to keep a civil, positive  and constructive thread going.
I do not look forward to spending my own money to correct a bunch of obvious engineering gaffs. I also cannot afford to make non-sanctioned changes as I have a total of 5 years warranty, 3 of which I purchased over the first 24 months from the MoCo. I refuse to piss that money away too.
You get into 5 figures for a motorcycle, you should expect the exhaust note to be louder than the valvetrain.
 

The cylinder overheating problem can be caused by a defective injector that is not putting in enough fuel, thus high AFRs and overheating.  I just discovered this problem with my 2010 CVO Street Glide. I tried to get a dyno tune and couldn't tune the rear cylinder due to very high AFRs.  The dyno tuner suspected a defective rear fuel injector.  After the fuel injector was replaced, the dyno shop was able to tune the rear cylinder and sync both.  No more heat issues.

Rick

[Occam]

Thanks for the heads-up on that.
Would TTS disclose this if it were a bad injector? Doesn't it measure pulse width, or only the signal sent to produce the pulse?
Maybe load the stage one, then VTune...

[SID8D2]

After seeing the results from those wanna be mechanics at the stealership I shutter to think about ever taking mine in for service work unless it warranty work thats going to save me $$$. With 32 miles on my bike this winter made the decision to upgrade and do the work myself. Screw'em, dove in & cross my fingers and hope for the best. Better heads, better cams, better lifters, better exhaust, better tune & better tunes (better seat too). Why spend so much cashola for a CVO bike and then be afraid to make it run cause something might break....if it does, fix it and get back out there.     

[RayG]

I wish I was in a financial situation so I could just tell them to screw the warranty and have it fixed right but I paid alto more than I should have and received alto less than anticipated. I to wish I knew about this forum prior to my purchase. The site has numerous horror stories of people doing a second and a third build to get it right. I just can't put myself in that situation. With back problems and going the full Traxxion - Bitubo - True Track it's still not enough for me to not take a physical beating. I really want to love my bike but I think I will have to look into somethong that has a decent suspension and a motor that doesn't sound like I won't make it home.

I purchased many HD's, my first was a brand new 1972 XLCH, I was 18 years old. My future father in law convinced me to purchase the HD, I wanted the Norton 750 Commando. The very first day I washed & waxed it. Man I was so proud, I started it up for the second time and the SOB started on fire. I had a house call from the dealer and his comment was nice flame job on the Burgandy! Oh it's so familiar to be back in the good ole days!

Is there a reasonable fix and a place in my area that could get it right. I only know of R&R performance and they won't touch the 110. They said they did not have good enough success to continue working on them. I don't have the 8 to 9K for a 117. Even If I did when do you stop!
 
I wish I had someone local that I could trust. Although planning to move to a warmer climate next year.


Ray G.     

[jarica]

Thanks for the heads-up on that.
Would TTS disclose this if it were a bad injector? Doesn't it measure pulse width, or only the signal sent to produce the pulse?
Maybe load the stage one, then VTune...

I don't use the V-Tune feature of TTS.  And, I wouldn't rely upon V-Tune data for a conclusion that says "It's probably a fuel injector problem." That's just me.  IMHO the best diagnostic tool to figure out what's going on with a bike is a dynamometer.  And, I don't know how one would dyno a bike that has a cat in the head pipe (like the 2010 CVO). Going forward, my policy will be to dyno the bike soon after I purchase it.  And it will have a catless head pipe that will allow good AFR data collection - like Fullsac's X-pipe (b).

Also, your dealer should be able perform a borescope test to see if the rings have scored the cylinders, due to the over- heating situation.  If the cylinder has been scored, your dealer will document this so you have a case with the MoCo for a new cylinder.

Enjoy your ride!

Rick

[howtodoit]

Just had the roller on the front cylinder lifter fail, and caused holly hell, motor company shipping out new motor, had 22500, sounded like a very mad person beating a trash can with a hammer.  Only good thing is the company didn't hesitate to replace the motor, so everyone's bitching must have helped me, just wish they would get their chit together and use some quality parts and materials!

[2018_FLTRXSE]

I have just over 17K on my 09 SERG and on cold startup it sounds like a sewing machine until the OP circulates through the motor, though I would think it should go away sooner than it does....

Also... Light throttle 2700-4000 RPM, a noise louder than notmal valvetrain clatter. I HOPE its not lifters or something else.

Amsoil 20/50 Motorcycle oil since new.

Time will tell

[tennisman]

wow, 22K and you had a lifter problem...Yikes, and here I sit with 30K+...hope I'm not next.  Making me think twice about getting the extended warranty, mine runs out in June on my 08.
T

[SBB]

wow, 22K and you had a lifter problem...Yikes, and here I sit with 30K+...hope I'm not next.  Making me think twice about getting the extended warranty, mine runs out in June on my 08.
T

I have S&S lifters with travel limiters in mine after going through 2 sets of Harley lifters.
I'm at 33K miles and with 5 months of Harley warranty left I WILL buy the extended warranty.
If not for motor concerns then definitely for the electronics. (TBW, locks, radio/amp)

SBB