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Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« on: March 31, 2012, 05:10:49 PM »

I bought a '12 SEUC back in February and really love the bike.  I'm and experienced rider (over 30 years) but am having a real problem with the seat height - I'm 5'7 w/ short legs.  So far the only thing I've done for it is have the shocks replaced with SG shocks (1" shorter) before I left the showroom.  I'm thinking about more drastic measures.  My wife rides with me a lot and I'm just not real comfortable coming to stops, etc.  Can you all give me some pros and cons of lower seats, lowering kits (front & rear) - which brands are best, etc.  I'm open to all suggestions.  I want to feel just as comfortable as I do on my '08 Softail Custom.  Thanks in advance for the help.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 05:41:59 PM »

An inch lower front and rear is about the most you can do, IMO.  One of the most flexible ways to approach this is to put Legend Air Ride rear shocks on the bike.  This allows the bike to drop 3.25 inches in the rear when you need to gain better footing, but also is adjustable on the fly to accomodate road conditions, load, etc.  But, it's not an inexpensive way to do it.  I've had these on two different bikes, an '06 SEUC and now on my '11 SERGU.  I have a 29" inseam and with the shocks lowered all the way down I can walk the bike around much easier when parking, etc.  The front end of my bike remains stock height.  These shocks give you stock height when fully aired up, so you maintain ground clearance for corners, etc.

You could lower the front suspension an inch with something like the Progressive Monotubes...this would help some and also improve the front suspension dramatically.  Harley makes a lowering kit for the front end, but I would not recommend it because you still have the crappy front suspension...if you're going to spend the money lowering the front, go with the Progressive. Making the seat a bit narrower in the front will also help a bit.  There are kits out there to alter the rear shock mounting position, but IMO that is not a good approach for a number of reasons.

Boots with 1/2 inch thicker soles will also help.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 06:30:11 PM »

I would start with a lower  / narrower seat first.

Lowering the suspension also lowers your ground clearance. My foot boards drag as it is when I turn, would be really bad if I also had the bike lowered.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 07:14:07 PM »


IMHO the first approach should be to alter things other than the suspension.  For instance, get some good riding boots with thick, high traction soles.  Then get your stock seat modified, or just get an aftermarket replacement, that lowers the rider and/or is narrower at the nose so you can get your feet down closer to the bike.  Only when those things don't get you where you need to be would I suggest reducing ground clearance.  You have already lowered the rear with the SESG shocks, you could lower the front an inch as well without hurting cornering clearance and ground clearance too much.  I wouldn't go any lower.


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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 07:22:00 PM »

I've lowered the rear with Legend Air Shocks... You lose no ground clearance when riding, but can lower the bike for times when you want your feet to touch the ground.  And I've installed 1" lowered Traxxion front forks...  This makes my 5'11'' body with 30" inseam comfortable on my SEUC...  

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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 12:07:12 AM »

a company called fbi makes a drop seat kit 3.5 inches keeps suspension stock, don't know how good and pretty expensive.just giving you another option.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 03:46:26 AM »

I sent my seat Mean City Cycles. The cut it down and it is great now. Had it recovered in leather.
 Just a thought. All ideas above are great. Might save you a buck or three.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 12:18:50 PM »

I have read that Mean City will not cut down the Hammock seat that comes on the SEUC... :2vrolijk_21:

If I had to replace my seat, it would be a Corbin Dual Tour w/heat and driver's backrest and a "nose job" (narrows the front of the seat as mentioned).  But that's $$$$.  Great seat though.  The Hammock seat, for me, is comfortable, but the jury is still out on that for the long term.

Harley makes a "Reach Seat"...I've sat on one, and my personal opinion is that it sucks, plus you give up the heated seat.

IF you want to kill two birds with one stone:  Lower the bike AND get rid of probably the worst suspension on a touring bike out there, then suspension changes will accomplish that goal.  You have no idea how crappy the stock suspension is until you are on a bike with good suspension.  Without fail, anyone on this site who has upgraded both the front and rear wishes they had done it sooner.  It is a night and day difference.  Yes, it costs money, but so does exhaust systems, tuners (which also need to be done)...and that does not even get into the money folks spend on cams head gaskets, etc.  IMO, it's the best money you'll ever spend on the bike.  But, it's going to cost you at least 2K to get there and get lower.

If your inseam is 29" or less, you just about have to do something to get off your toes when stopped.  The issue is only compounded when you have a BSR, or a BSR and loaded for a trip.  Boots will help, for sure, but you can only go so thick on the soles before it either looks like 70's platform disco boots, or you have trouble getting your toe under the shifter peg.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 12:59:49 PM »

I really appreciate all of the advise.  I was already looking at the Corbin seat and now I'm definitely going to consider the Progressive suspension.  I realize that it's a lot of $$, but so was the bike.  I can't see paying that much for a great MC and then trying to "get by" and settling for being uncomfortable and unstable.  I like riding as "part of" the MC not "on top" of it.  Maybe I'm just spoiled with my FXSTC.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 10:16:33 PM »

I have read that Mean City will not cut down the Hammock seat that comes on the SEUC... :2vrolijk_21:

If I had to replace my seat, it would be a Corbin Dual Tour w/heat and driver's backrest and a "nose job" (narrows the front of the seat as mentioned).  But that's $$$$.  Great seat though.  The Hammock seat, for me, is comfortable, but the jury is still out on that for the long term.

Harley makes a "Reach Seat"...I've sat on one, and my personal opinion is that it sucks, plus you give up the heated seat.

IF you want to kill two birds with one stone:  Lower the bike AND get rid of probably the worst suspension on a touring bike out there, then suspension changes will accomplish that goal.  You have no idea how crappy the stock suspension is until you are on a bike with good suspension.  Without fail, anyone on this site who has upgraded both the front and rear wishes they had done it sooner.  It is a night and day difference.  Yes, it costs money, but so does exhaust systems, tuners (which also need to be done)...and that does not even get into the money folks spend on cams head gaskets, etc.  IMO, it's the best money you'll ever spend on the bike.  But, it's going to cost you at least 2K to get there and get lower.

If your inseam is 29" or less, you just about have to do something to get off your toes when stopped.  The issue is only compounded when you have a BSR, or a BSR and loaded for a trip.  Boots will help, for sure, but you can only go so thick on the soles before it either looks like 70's platform disco boots, or you have trouble getting your toe under the shifter peg.

What suspension do you Recommend? Is there an advantage to getting away from air shocks? I am interested in lowering the front and rear for a better look and ride.  Thanks.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2012, 05:17:57 PM »

Well...lowering won't really give you a better ride.  In fact, if I didn't NEED to lower the bike for getting my feet on the ground better, I would leave it stock height, just to have the added ground clearance.  Mine is stock height in front, with Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 cartridges in the front forks.  They are the best, but also the most expensive.  The Legend Air gets the back end down enough (3+") when I need it down, but allows me to maintain stock height for riding, or anywhere in-between.  IMO, those two things are the best combination for getting lower when needed, and for versatility when two up or loaded because you can adjust the rear shocks with the on board air compressor at any time.

The stock suspension just plain sucks, front and rear.  The "air shocks" HD gives you on the bike are NO comparison to a good shock for two reasons...it's a poor shock to begin with, and all the air does is give you more preload to keep from bottoming out...the Showa front fork assembly HD gives you is probably the cheapest, low bid crap you'll find on any production motorcycle these days.  Notice how your front end dives when you apply the brakes?  It shouldn't do that to the extent it does.  In my eyes, it's a safety concern as well as a handling concern.  ABS brakes make the safety issue less of a concern, but it's still a concern to me.

These are my opinions/suggestions, depending on what you want to accomplish:

Keeping the stock (full) height:1). Traxxion Dynamics AK-20 Cartridges in the forks and either Legend Air Ride shocks on the rear, or Bitubo 330mm (stock height) shocks on the rear.  The first combo is the most expensive, but is also the most versitile, giving the ability to adjust for any load/road conditions, and being able to slam the rear end when stopped/parked, or needing to get better footing. The Bitubo shocks are excellent as well, and less expensive than the Legend system.  The down side to any "regular" shock is that you will have to adjust them manually for different loads...generally that will be three settings: one up; two up; and two up and loaded.  On the Bitubos, that means adjusting the preload spring and the compression damping knob...you can pretty much set the rebound damping and leave it alone. That will be the case for any non air adjustable rear shock.  The regular shock on the rear will not lower the bike at all.

Lowering the rear only(without adjustable air shocks):
Replace the front fork guts with either the AK-20's or the Progressive Monotubes in standard, full height. Bitubo 300mm rear shocks: that will lower the rear approximately 1".  Second choice for the rear would be Progressive 940's.  Some have used Works shocks for the rear as well, with good results.  You will need to adjust them for loads though.  The Progressive Monotubes are a much cheaper alternative to the Traxxion AK-20's, but still give good results...light years better than stock.  The AK-20's are Warp Drive.

Lowering front and rear 1":
Replace the front fork guts with AK-20's 1" lower cartridges.  Next best choice: Progressive Monotubes in the 1" lower kit.  Rear: Bitubo 300mm shocks.  Second choice: Progressive 940's or equivalent.

I personally would NEVER lower the bike more than 1" (fixed height).  You give up suspension travel; you give up significant ground clearance and may drag unforgiving parts in curves, which in turn means your ass might get on the pavement.

Arnott also makes a rear air ride suspension, but get their "best" system.  At least one or two people have used theirs with good results, from what I know.  I have no first hand experience with their system.
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 09:33:54 PM »

My .02 is if at all possible I would not lower it. Had a 99' Road King that was lowered when I bought it. HATED it being lowered, that sucker would drag on everything. Lost count how many times knocked the spring off on the jiffy stand. But the worst was late one Sunday afternoon in Helen Georgia knocked oil cooler line off on a speed hump. Place was like Mayberry, finally fellow biker had a hose clamp and quart of oil. I would say if it must be done I would go with Traxum route. Good Luck! 
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Re: Lowering the FLHTCUSE7
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 09:54:48 PM »

aftermarket seat is a good choice like others have said. i dont know about lowerin suspension. i have had 2 street glide and have scraped boards on the twistys anyway if you decide to sell your stock seat im interested. thanks terry
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