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BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« on: February 22, 2013, 11:45:53 AM »

Over the years, I've read with great interest the posts from some of our resident BBQ experts.  While I've had a Weber Summit grill for many years that I do pretty good with, I just got a Weber Smokey Mountain Smoker in the 22" and this is a whole new ball game.  I sure could use some pointers!

Following the some of the internet posts I saw, I did all of the usual mods with getting that Cajun Stainless door, installed a grommet for probes, installed wheels, handles on the grates, etc.  I also got a DigitQ DX2 to maintain the temps, and a Maverick to monitor, to avoid fluctuations.  I guess like my motorcycles and cars, you just get that mod itch!

So far, I've done a couple of cooks, ribs a couple of times, pork sirlion tips, and a brisket, and while not bad, there's certainly plenty of room for improvement.

On the ribs, I've been using the Costco three packs, and running them for about 3 hours at 275 (no water inthe bowl), then foiling for round 1-1/2 hours upside down with brown sugar, parkay, and honey, and then remove from the foil right side up for the last 30-45 minutes with sauce. They come out OK, but it's like the fat underneath the top layer of meat doesn't render, and I'm not sure if it's the quality of the ribs or what. And the very top layer of meat seems a little hard, which is tripping me up. Somehow it seems the outside is getting over cooked, but in between the ribs or under the top lay isn't getting done enough? Makes me wonder if I should be cooking at a lower temp, or simply not turning them upside down in the foil?  I was thinking maybe the hard top was a function of being upside down?  They do get a nice smoke ring and I use a little oak and apple, but they come out pretty strong, and the rub is too much too. I only use two chunks of each with the Kingsford charcoal, so I think I'll cut to one chunk of each next time.

I will say that before I got this smoker, I have been cooking these same ribs in the oven for about 5 hours at 275, with just a little olive oil, salt & pepper, then I grill them top side up with a little sauce to finish, and they always come out great, so I'm just not understanding why the smoker versions are failing so miserably?  I was expecting them to come out way better?  They look great, but that's about it.

On the brisket, it was a 7 lbs'er and I ran it at 225 with water for about 6 hours to 160. It got a nice bark and looked great. I foiled it as a read elsewhere that I should, and ran it another 4-5 hours until it hit 198 in the middle. Took the foiled brisket wrapped it in a towel and stuck it in a cooler for about an hour, then pulled it out. I was shocked to see the beautiful bark had disappeared into a soup the brisket was now floating in.  I sliced it up and it was just OK - Seemed a little rubbery, and the rub was overpowering.

I also get confused about the rub. All of the things I see out there, and on shows like Pitmaster, these guys are absolutely coating the hell out of the meat with the rub. However, when I did that with the brisket, it was ridiculously over seasoned. Couldn't even taste the beef.  I wonder if it's just the crappy rub I found at the supermarket?  I see alot of rub receipes out there but have no clue which ones are worth trying?

The pork sirloin tips were the 4 packs you get from Costco, and I know they are way leaner than butt, but that was all they had. I ran those only for about 2 hours at 250, then wrapped them with apple juice, until they got to around 190. They came out OK, but never could get them tender enough to shred. Just chopped them up and they were OK for sandwiches, but nothing spectacular. But again, the nice bark disappeared?

I just don't understand how these guys on TV keep the nice bark after foiling? Everytime I do that, the bark turns into soup??

Anyway, if any of you experts wouldn't mind helping me get started with some tips, my wife would sure appreciate taste testing something a little more edible! She's now getting to the point where she's not such a willing participant anymore, which will put a quick halt to my training, if you get my drift!

Thanks alot!

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 06:42:58 PM »

I'm no expert by any means, so I'll be looking forward to the replies to your thread.  

I was always taught that beef should be taken off the grill or oven at 120 degrees and to leave it sit for 30 more minutes covered with aluminum foil and it will gain another 10 degrees to 130, which I think is medium rare.  I know you want brisket to be more done than medium rare.  I have no idea if I'm right but it appears that 198 would be pretty hot or overdone.  I always thought that you couldn't put enought rub on, I guess I'm doing something wrong too.

We need to hear from the experts!

I know a couple of guys that bought the "Big Green Egg" and they swear by the quality of that somker.  I have no first hand experience with it but I'm considering the investment.

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 06:48:11 PM »

I don't profess to be an expert at all. Briskets, shoulders and boston butts are harder for me than Chinese arithmetic! I have better luck with ribs. Low and slow. We found with our cooker if we can time the heat so the ribs are done in 6 hours. Generally 210-225 degrees. Never tried on something as small as a weber though. Would think it would be tough to maintain 225. We've tried all types of rubs and sauces. Some were ok. We felt the best ribs were cooked with salt, pepper and a whole lotta love bayyyyybee.
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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 06:50:55 PM »

Oh, and toss the foil
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 08:18:09 PM »

Oh, and toss the foil

Never toss the foil!!!! Not on that kind of smoker!!!! I wrap everything!!!! It's all in the timing!!!!

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 08:24:08 PM »

I'm an eater not a cooker....  ::)
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 08:25:40 PM »

Magoo you are on the right track. I am going to PM you my number. I think I can help you out just a little!!!!!

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 09:32:16 PM »

I have a Traeger pellet smoker. Thinking about doing a brisket. I rub brisket down in olive oil and then put the rub on. Cook it fat side up in foil for 18-24 hours on the lowest setting. Slice of the layer of fat that is left and grab some bbq sauce. I usually go for Stubb's sauce. Its a damn good bbq joint in Austin, TX but they sell their sauce in most grocery stores and Wal Mart.
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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 08:38:00 AM »

I have a large BGE but haven't done a brisket yet, but when I do this is the technique I'll use
http://www.thesmokerking.com/butcherpaperbrisket.html :D
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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 12:14:18 PM »

Magoo you are on the right track. I am going to PM you my number. I think I can help you out just a little!!!!!

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 10:47:59 PM »

I have a Traeger pellet smoker. Thinking about doing a brisket. I rub brisket down in olive oil and then put the rub on. Cook it fat side up in foil for 18-24 hours on the lowest setting. Slice of the layer of fat that is left and grab some bbq sauce. I usually go for Stubb's sauce. Its a damn good bbq joint in Austin, TX but they sell their sauce in most grocery stores and Wal Mart.

Try cooking till your "POINT" reaches 165 then wrap. I always trim the fat cap from the brisket before cooking, but it would depend what kind of brisket and the amount of marbling in the meat. Stubbs is a good product. They sponsored my Competition Team a couple of years ago, You might want to try some cheap old Kraft honey BBQ Sauce. It actually isn't a bad sauce for around the house!!!

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 10:53:05 PM »

I have a large BGE but haven't done a brisket yet, but when I do this is the technique I'll use
http://www.thesmokerking.com/butcherpaperbrisket.html :D


I read the link, but I have a BIG problem with what was said. I have never seen paper used to wrap. That does not mean that it isn't a good idea. But the writer said they do it so the meat will still absorb "SMOKE" Well I don't wrap till the "POINT" reaches 165 degrees. Meat stops absorbing "SMOKE" at 140 degrees. So I am out on the paper idea. I wrap with foil at 165 and cook tlll the brisket is done.

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2013, 07:36:21 PM »

I have need grilling great ribs for 20 years now while living in St.Louis, Kansas City and now Houston, all known for good BBQ. You should be embarrassed to mention three things while grilling ribs...
1)Aluminum Foil
2)Oven Baking
3)Boiling

Low & Slow, 225 to 250 degrees for 4 hours with Hickory wood...Fat Side Up, Season To Your family's taste and favorite rub with salt and pepper... Spray with apple, orange, cherry, pineapple or favorite juice every hour to keep moist....Sam Adams, Sky, Bloody Mary, and Jack should always be around to help.Very Easy
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2013, 08:59:18 PM »

I have need grilling great ribs for 20 years now while living in St.Louis, Kansas City and now Houston, all known for good BBQ. You should be embarrassed to mention three things while grilling ribs...
1)Aluminum Foil2)Oven Baking
3)Boiling

Low & Slow, 225 to 250 degrees for 4 hours with Hickory wood...Fat Side Up, Season To Your family's taste and favorite rub with salt and pepper... Spray with apple, orange, cherry, pineapple or favorite juice every hour to keep moist....Sam Adams, Sky, Bloody Mary, and Jack should always be around to help.Very Easy

You my friend don't know me and you might not know a lot about BBQing!!!! Smoking is not Grilling BTW!!!!

Foil is a must for CHAMPIONSHIP BBQ!!!!!

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Re: BBQ Experts Amongst us...
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 07:19:12 PM »

I've used the 3-2-1 method of smoking baby backs with our electric Masterbuilt smoker. They come out great. Most times we skip the last 1 hour of uncovered baking and just eat them. His BBQ sauce is my favorite and his rub is awsome too.



http://www.smoking-meat.com/february-28-2013-how-to-master-smoked-pork-ribs


Smoking the Ribs

This is where it seems like folks seem to have the most trouble and I get questions almost daily from folks asking me how to get the ribs to be "fall off the bone" tender. I know that many of you do not want them falling off the bone but there are many of you who DO like them this way, you've had them this way in restaurants and such and you'd like to reproduce this amazing phenomenon at home in your smoker.

I also get asked a lot about how to smoke the ribs so that they end up juicy instead of dry..

The answer to both of these questions is the 3-2-1 method of smoking ribs. If you have not tried this method then you really should. The numbers relate to steps in the process. The following will show the 3-2-1 method for spares followed by the 2-2-1 method for baby backs. Both yield the same results while taking into account that baby backs usually do not require as much cooking time as the spare ribs.

3-2-1 for Spare Ribs

Step 1: Place the ribs on the smoker grate unwrapped and let them smoke for about 3 hours at 225 degrees.

Step 2: Wrap the ribs in foil or better yet, place them into a foil pan and cover with foil over the top. Place about 1/4 inch of apple juice or other liquid in the bottom just before closing them up. Leave them this way for about 2 hours.

Step 3: Remove the foil from around the ribs or simply remove the foil from the top of the foil pan that holds the ribs. (it is fine to leave the ribs in the pan as long as the top is open). Continue to cook the ribs this way for about 1 hour with or without smoke depending on what type of smoker you have.
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