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[1Fordman]

On 2 past HD's have run the Power Commander III USB models without any problems.  Was considering using the PC V on a 2008 SERK but have been reading less than favorable reviews on the PC V.  Has PC's quality slipped a bit?

Which unit seems to be the leading favorite of the ones on the market and what features do you like?

[hawgzilla]

Just say no to piggy back controllers.  SEPST, TTS, Power Vision are much preferred.

[Bogot001]

Running a Fuel Moto Vision on my new Road Glide Ultra, Great support.
have been running Power Commander's since 2005. You can't go wrong.
Cheers

[grc]

Running a Fuel Moto Vision on my new Road Glide Ultra, Great support.
have been running Power Commander's since 2005. You can't go wrong.
Cheers

A Power Vision is nothing like the kind of Power Commander the OP is talking about.  On a modern bike with closed loop engine management, an old fashioned Power Commander is a huge step backward, as are any of the add-on box devices.  A much better choice would be one of the flash devices that loads a new map directly to the factory ECM, such as a Power Vision, TTS MasterTune, or even the SEPST sold by Harley.

Jerry

[hrdtail78]

Running a Fuel Moto Vision on my new Road Glide Ultra, Great support.
have been running Power Commander's since 2005. You can't go wrong.
Cheers

What is a Fuel Moto Vision?

[hdguy1]

On 2 past HD's have run the Power Commander III USB models without any problems.  Was considering using the PC V on a 2008 SERK but have been reading less than favorable reviews on the PC V.  Has PC's quality slipped a bit?

Which unit seems to be the leading favorite of the ones on the market and what features do you like?

I have recently used the FP3 Fuelpak on my 2015 CVO Limited. It has decatted headers and V&H Monster Ovals.  Although I cannot say how efficient or inefficient it may be, as I don't have it hooked up to any monitors, etc.  but what  I can tell you that it has smoothed out the idle and the engine responds better and runs smoother than when stock. These improvements were immediate. Just my experience with the FP3.

[FlaHeatWave]

On 2 past HD's have run the Power Commander III USB models without any problems.  Was considering using the PC V on a 2008 SERK but have been reading less than favorable reviews on the PC V.  Has PC's quality slipped a bit?

Which unit seems to be the leading favorite of the ones on the market and what features do you like?

The V&H FuelPak was on the bike when I got it, worked fine but would not support mods other than a/c and pipes. If you're not going past that, a great, cost effective unit, especially if using V&H Pipes

Went to the SERT included in the SE Stage III Kit, hours of Dyno time, (I only paid a flat fee) worked well after a return trip to the Dyno to get a flat spot out, not every Harley Dealer has a "good" Dyno guy, Dealers are prone to use "canned" MAPs..

While there are some posting negativity about the PowerCommander V, none that I have seen, state that they have / had direct experience, what their experience is / was with the PC-V  , only touting how some of the other (mostly flash type) Tuners are so much better ( I'm sure they're out there, I just haven't seen any)...

In my Build Thread, http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=91650.0 I've tried to give objective feedback over time on the Components we selected for a "Sport Touring" Build.

The PC-V / Autotune was great for me, feeling more responsive in the 2k-3k range and better fuel mileage than the flash Tuner / Dyno Tune that I replaced it with. The PC-V / Auto was drama free for 20k miles, the opportunity was presented to check out what is going to be a "benchmark product" (the Maximus, Tuning and Diagnostics) in the developmental stage. 

Now before some start saying "It's the Dyno Operator, you need to find a "good" one." realize that Oasis Cycles supplied me with the Base Map for the PC-V / Auto, Oasis is working with TechnoResearch, The MoCo & S&S, on Tuning and Diagnostics. Oasis has a significant onsite Tuning / Diagnostic Training Center, along with the latest & greatest DynoJet Dyno. A world class operation. I got Mark (at Oasis) being one of the best Tuners in the country...
Mark did tell me that the mileage was going to drop above 85 mph (he knows how I roll, sometimes for hours on end ) and he set it there to be safe, (even though the 117 has had no Tune / heat related issues, no issues at all for that matter) he knows I'm not chasing #s, just want longevity in a "Sport Touring" Platform...

The PC-V / AutoTune was a great product for me on the '09 Build, not having to DynoTune or re-DynoTune if Component changes were required was great... check out my Thread for more details...






 

 

 

[ultrafxr]

I've not used a Power Commander in several years and never a PC V so I have not first hand experience with that particular model.  However the older version I had and a couple friends who had newer versions than I (but not PC Vs) had failures with the PC.  Anything electronic I guess can develop a malfunction due to dirt, moisture, vibration, component failure, etc.  But with a flash tuner the only component that can go bad is the ECM itself since the flash tuner actually writes new information to the ECM.  It not just a piggyback receiving, interpreting and then transmitting information.

[Unbalanced]

What is a Fuel Moto Vision?

Sounds like they Rebadged PowerVision, by putting their own Business Sticker on it     

[MC16LTD]

I went with the SERT.  I upgraded to the Fullsac header and power cores and was going to go with the TTS but haven't messed with FI motors much - all before were carb'd.  When I was having the bike setup for delivery (16 CVO Ltd) the dealer said they did not work with TTS and recommended the SERT that they could tune for my bike.  Although some may say that is just the dealer pushing MoCo parts, it is a new bike and I ride all over the states, last thing I want is to have an issue and not be able to get service at a dealer when I need it because I used a part they don't want to work on.  With the SERT when I take a trip, I can throw it in the bags and not have to worry if I am a few states away.

[CVODON]

Throw what in the bags? A CD? You lost me there. And hardly any computers have a CD drive anymore if that is what you mean.

[Unbalanced]

CVODon I believe he is referring to the SESPT Dongle and cables to throw them into the bag.   All he would need is his map on a flash stick and another dealer could work on the tune if need be.  An HD Dealer should have the software or could just open a SESPT and have it on hand

My concern is HD has been known to void warranties while on the road when they come across a situation where the motor was tuned/retuned with a SESPT even though it is an HD product.  Not always the case, but still a concern.

One nice thing about some of the other products is they can put it back to the stock trim if necessary. 

Video on the SESPT


The orange item he is holding is the Dongle that connects the laptop to the bike through cables on both sides of it.   

[MC16LTD]

Correct, from what I was told if you used any type of plug in tuner and you are going on a trip you should take it with you in case you need it for service etc.  I just went with the HD product so I don't chance it when 500 miles from home at a dealer for anything.

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

stick with a flash tuner  TTS SE or PV .