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[ultrafxr]

I am putting a Road Tech Zumo 590 on my 2017 CVO Limited and am unsure how to get power and ground to the Zumo.  I am unfamiliar with the can bus system on these bikes.  On my older bike I just tapped in to the cigar lighter connection for power.  The Zumo instructions say I need this:

69201599  Electrical Connection Update Kit

But I'm not sure.  Anyone who has installed an external GPS - how did you power it on the can bus system bike?

[CowboyBagger]

Go direct to the battery.  You can get the Garmin cradle with wiring harness on ebay for 50 bucks

Ryan

[bigchuck]

Go direct to the battery.  You can get the Garmin cradle with wiring harness on ebay for 50 bucks

Ryan

Wouldn't having it turn on and off with bike be a better idea?

[bissjim]

Any 12V power source will do, you can connect it to the Auxiliary power plug (where the cigarette lighter used to be). 12V power sources have nothing to do with Can Buss. You will need the Auxiliary audio Input connector from Harley if you want to hear the GPS thru the radio as Harley didn't put one on the Rush Less    bikes.

jim@hdbomm

[ultrafxr]

Any 12V power source will do, you can connect it to the Auxiliary power plug (where the cigarette lighter used to be). 12V power sources have nothing to do with Can Buss. You will need the Auxiliary audio Input connector from Harley if you want to hear the GPS thru the radio as Harley didn't put one on the Rush Less    bikes.

jim@hdbomm

Thanks Jim.  I got the Auxiliary audio input connector but the instructions say to connect the male 3.5mm plug to the Zumo's AUDIO IN cable.  I think it sould be AUDIO OUT from the Zumo to the Auxiliary audio input connector and then to the radio.  Am I correct?  I think the instructions are incorrect.

Jerry

[Fired00d]

Been many years since I had mine hard wired but I used the fender tip light connection. My bike didn't have that light but the connection was still in the wiring harness. This is a switched connection and comes on/off w/bike.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[skratch]

i bought my roadtech used and the po had cut the wiring so i had to buy a new mount:  https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-11270-03-Motorcycle-Mount/dp/B001PO6JD2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1475941006&sr=8-5&keywords=garmin+660

then combined it with this from iron aces: http://www.ironacesspeedshop.com/supplemental-12v-power-point/

and ran the wiring through the channel under the fuel tank and plugged it in to the plug under the seat.  it is run through the aux switch on the dash.

[bissjim]

Thanks Jim.  I got the Auxiliary audio input connector but the instructions say to connect the male 3.5mm plug to the Zumo's AUDIO IN cable.  I think it sould be AUDIO OUT from the Zumo to the Auxiliary audio input connector and then to the radio.  Am I correct?  I think the instructions are incorrect.

Jerry

You are correct. The audio output from the GPS plugs into the connector.

jim@hdbomm

[iski]

I am putting a Road Tech Zumo 590 on my 2017 CVO Limited and am unsure how to get power and ground to the Zumo.  I am unfamiliar with the can bus system on these bikes.  On my older bike I just tapped in to the cigar lighter connection for power.  The Zumo instructions say I need this:

69201599  Electrical Connection Update Kit

But I'm not sure.  Anyone who has installed an external GPS - how did you power it on the can bus system bike?

Not wanting to hijack your thread here.  Have you found the built in Infotainment GPS to be unworkable?  Or just more familiar with the Garmin Zumo as to ease of operation?  Short time owner but from reading the manual and a bit of trying out this 2017 GPS, seems to leave a lot to be desired as to ease of operation. 

[ultrafxr]

Not wanting to hijack your thread here.  Have you found the built in Infotainment GPS to be unworkable?  Or just more familiar with the Garmin Zumo as to ease of operation?  Short time owner but from reading the manual and a bit of trying out this 2017 GPS, seems to leave a lot to be desired as to ease of operation.

Yes, for me the Infotainment GPS is not acceptable.  I think it is fine for going from point A to point B on main roads.  Like many here I like to design routes taking me on roads less traveled and the bike's gps simply doesn't work well in that regard.  For instance, while running a route on some state highways and county roads it kept wanting to 'shortcut' me to the next turn.  Example:  say I had a right turn coming up in a few miles.  It would angle me off to the right through some pretty gnarly roads in order to hook me with with the next road somewhere after the right turn.  Hope that makes sense!

All in all I just cannot trust it to follow the pre-determined route.  It seems to me that using a Garmin to run routes made on a computer with the very same map set database just works better.  I have no idea what map database the moco gps has but I don't think it is the same as Garmin's. 

[FLH91]

Wish I could help Jerry but the dealership I bought my '15 at installed my 665 right to the BCU... using the wiring harness you referred to I believe.
Dave

[ultrafxr]

Wish I could help Jerry but the dealership I bought my '15 at installed my 665 right to the BCU... using the wiring harness you referred to I believe.
Dave

Thanks Dave.  I got it all buttoned up.  The moco wants you to run the line back to the accessory connector under the right side cover using the wiring harness.  I guess that's the best way to do it but I didn't feel like pulling the tank and going to all that bother so I just tapped into the connector to the 12v power outlet in the front fairing.  Got it all hooked up, dealer enabled the external audio and it is working.   

[iski]

Yes, for me the Infotainment GPS is not acceptable.  I think it is fine for going from point A to point B on main roads.  Like many here I like to design routes taking me on roads less traveled and the bike's gps simply doesn't work well in that regard.  For instance, while running a route on some state highways and county roads it kept wanting to 'shortcut' me to the next turn.  Example:  say I had a right turn coming up in a few miles.  It would angle me off to the right through some pretty gnarly roads in order to hook me with with the next road somewhere after the right turn.  Hope that makes sense!

All in all I just cannot trust it to follow the pre-determined route.  It seems to me that using a Garmin to run routes made on a computer with the very same map set database just works better.  I have no idea what map database the moco gps has but I don't think it is the same as Garmin's.

Thanks, much appreciated!  Makes perfect sense.  Had anticipated the possibility of using another GPS prior to bike purchase based on what I knew from those who have this Infotainment system.  If I end up with another GPS am familiar with Garmin (so-so to not at all  pleased with their customer service) and less so familiar with Tom-Tom.  Will try using HD Ride Planner for a few routes and figure my results will mirror yours.

Glad the 12v power source worked - did that with the old 550 on my 07. Will also add the Aux HD radio connector then if I get a GPS.

Other than this screen is a great bike, handles like a dream & very pleased with power band, etc.  Not counting the GPS have the radio figured out but not without a few "choice words."   

[ultrafxr]

Thanks, much appreciated!  Makes perfect sense.  Had anticipated the possibility of using another GPS prior to bike purchase based on what I knew from those who have this Infotainment system.  If I end up with another GPS am familiar with Garmin (so-so to not at all  pleased with their customer service) and less so familiar with Tom-Tom.  Will try using HD Ride Planner for a few routes and figure my results will mirror yours.

Glad the 12v power source worked - did that with the old 550 on my 07. Will also add the Aux HD radio connector then if I get a GPS.

Other than this screen is a great bike, handles like a dream & very pleased with power band, etc.  Not counting the GPS have the radio figured out but not without a few "choice words."   

Radio is indeed complex but it works great imo.  Much better than the H-K in my previous bikes.  Very clean, clear, crisp sound.  The display is great - including the built in gps.  Really the display is better than the Zumos.  Just a shame it isn't sophisticated enough to do the job I want.

As for mapping software I'm still a big fan of the old Garmin program MapSource.  I've also used Garmin's BaseCamp and it is OK.  I just don't like the database aspect where everything is all there together.  I'm old school in that I like the hierarchical structure of folders, files, etc.  I tried H-D's Ride Planner a few times but thought it was a bit slow and cumbersome but that may be because I've not yet mastered it.

[iski]

Radio is indeed complex but it works great imo.  Much better than the H-K in my previous bikes.  Very clean, clear, crisp sound.  The display is great - including the built in gps.  Really the display is better than the Zumos.  Just a shame it isn't sophisticated enough to do the job I want.

As for mapping software I'm still a big fan of the old Garmin program MapSource.  I've also used Garmin's BaseCamp and it is OK.  I just don't like the database aspect where everything is all there together.  I'm old school in that I like the hierarchical structure of folders, files, etc.  I tried H-D's Ride Planner a few times but thought it was a bit slow and cumbersome but that may be because I've not yet mastered it.

Agreed on the radio.  Sound is crisp, clearer, and less distortion at volume than my other 2 CVOS with the H/K radio.  Display is good, more readable & like the High Contrast option for very bright sun. After using it a few times is easy enough but is a bit cumbersome to switch music sources.

I was using Mapsource until last year, not a fan of BaseCamp.  Lately am using either Streets & Trips (out of date but very user friendly) or sharing GPX files with fellow travelers via the H/D Ride Planner.  Ride Planner has it's quirks but most of the time the shared files work ok.  Will see if that holds true for the Infotainment GPS. According to the manual, it does, but not making any bets on that.

With some hardware/software apps out there that are intuitive and very user friendly, it seems H/D took an odd non user friendly route for the Info screen as to GPS.  Agreed, a true shame it does not meet your needs.

When I was at the HD museum for the 105th I participated in a survey regarding hand controls for the Touring family.  One set I tried was very much like the controls on these bikes and in my opinion these controls are a big improvement after getting used to the multi functions.