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[CVO Limited]

well ok  , go post on that forum then, as facts are facts , and this has nothing to do with import bikes at all.. thats just silly .

Have a open mind and will look at vaild points that are facts it easy to see what can and cannot be done. its that simple you have one or dont , I dont care I look at what I can use the tool to do nothing more..

I agree! That was silly.

What I think would draw a huge following is if a shop was to spend the time and effort to do a head to head comparison with both the FP3 and any other big name tunner on the same bike. Then post the video to show it was done honestly. Like I've mentioned before I'm happy with what I have an well worth the $300.00. If there was at lease  10+ HP and TQ from the FP3 to the other tunner, then you would have a lot of us sold.

Are you up to the task!

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

Yes you supply the tuners and I will do the rest and feel free to video tape it .. I would suggest that the bike have a known ex system that has a proven track record so that in fact it can be then compared to others as well . I fully understand that bike to bike will vary but its not uncommon to have great runners poor runner and many in between..  Let me know when you want to do it ..


The issue is that most of the time when we do the tunes its not about us trying to promote any thing.. We fix it ship it and the customer is happy. SO to find the time to do this have the bike here buy the tuners then the shop time to tune both is not a small price.. In a perfect world I would love to do nothing but R&D testing , but we are swamped with engine builds time and time over. 


to take it further in some case's the tuner may work ok on that bike but on another not as well.. Its like why does one bike set a code but the next does not yet they are in fact the same set up parts etc.. bikes vary .. Just got got done with this one , 480 spring big AIm lock up and it was struggling to hold the tq down low .. This bike has no 02 sensors as it runs 13.5 at its leanest point , from there only richer , the 143 may not be for everyone but its fun ..!!!!!!   This one for what ever reason tripped the 02 code now others we have done and for that build had no 02 sensors and they never tripped a code ??  they vary and some days can make the day much longer 

yes thats 140 TQ at 2650 

[CVO Limited]

Let's see! A day and a half ride to you, at least three days in a hotel, day and a half ride home, plus I get to buy another tunner. Three days of vacation and I get to watch you run my bike to red line time and time again!

Not me!

I was just pointing out a way you can prove your point. You would only be out $300 (for the FP3) plus time if you were to do it.

I'm not trying to be rude and please forgive me if this sounds that way but as the saying goes "put up or ______". You know. 
 

[GMR-PERFORMANCE]

I can show several sheets before and after but there is no video , so that is a deal breaker based on your terms.. I know what they can and cannot do so to me its not that big of a deal , as for the put up or shut up well I will let my reputation, speak for itself..


Its all good ifs its on my dime , but I will say this I can was told one of my cams is a copy I posted the actual plot profile of my vs the other and guess what that was from the cam manufacture , guys still say well its the same .. so really I have nothing to prove per say .. I have seen it time and time again..

and its not just 1 tuner it is both as I need the bike plus two tuners , Find a bike with a PRO or TTS on it.. and have some send me a FP to test sure , but sorry I am not going to buy one as I dont use them or sell them ..

But that is only the WOT pull the mid range tuning, control of EGR, Cam timing based on what is going on with "that" bike so  many other things can be dialed in to provide a much smoother running engine. 


I am always willing to spend the time if a local guy wants to do this but I am not going to spend cash out of my pocket to prove what I already know and so many other tuners also know.. 

[Sarhan]

Some people choosing the hard way to learn $$$

[Koolero]

just installed fullsac X pipe, V&H high output slip ons & V&H fp3 programed running great. Hugh difference from stock. now working on the auto tune. no complaints .

[Cvostu]

This topic was interesting for me.  I totally agree with everything Cvodon  said here.  I went the tuner route with TTS.  Great unit but I hated watching or knowing what he did to my bike. I have the vh power duals with stock cvo mufflers.  I hate the noise at 85 mph.  I want to enjoy my radio.  The fp3 works great for me all  around.  Bike is cooler.. Plenty of power and I still can get 40-42mpg. I did the auto tune, got rid of decel popping and set the throttle response. . That's about it.  I like knowing that if I want to change something around it's no big deal. . Mp3 has my vote.... Stuart

[pvanwagner]

This topic was interesting for me.  I totally agree with everything Cvodon  said here.  I went the tuner route with TTS.  Great unit but I hated watching or knowing what he did to my bike. I have the vh power duals with stock cvo mufflers.  I hate the noise at 85 mph.  I want to enjoy my radio.  The fp3 works great for me all  around.  Bike is cooler.. Plenty of power and I still can get 40-42mpg. I did the auto tune, got rid of decel popping and set the throttle response. . That's about it.  I like knowing that if I want to change something around it's no big deal. . Mp3 has my vote.... Stuart

I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread.  We've had 6 dyno tunes done on 4 bikes with 2 with 95" kits, ported/polished heads, and cams, two 103" bikes with cams, one with FullSac headers and one with stock headers, a variety of mixes all done with the SERT and the TTS.  They all came out great, but hated watching the way they're redlined for the tunes.  It's not how we ride our bikes.  If we were racing, it'd be a different story.

On our 2012 103" Softtail Slim we put V&H slip-ons (cats are in the stock mufflers so they got removed which opened up the exhaust) and a HD Stage 1 air cleaner kit, put on the FP3 and ran the auto-tune three times and it was like a whole new bike.  It didn't have as much performance as my Limited that had been dynoed and had new cams.  I was very happy with it and it didn't need anything else.  Could it have been tuned a little better on a dyno with a TTS?  I'm sure it could have been, but it didn't need it.  It ran great and had tons of power and performance.

I'm a FP3 fan, but if you plan on doing cams or head work I would recommend going the full route and having it dynoed with a TTS or like tuner.

[FlaHeatWave]

My 2 Cents;
For the folks just doing A/C & Pipes, I think the FP3 is hard to beat, a little fuel adjustment in the proper places is all that is required to have the Bike run smoother, cooler, adjust TBC if necessary, and get rid of decel pop,,, very easy to use,,, No Dyno Required, Bluetooth to Phone a nice feature...Used properly, the #s should be close with a Dyno Tune on an otherwise stock bike...
If you know you are going no farther than AC & Pipes, I like the fact that the FP3 is easier to tweek (by the average end user) than a "canned map" from full featured Tuner...

All things considered, Dyno Tunes can be an expen$ive pita, finding the "right" Dyno Guy, Purchasing the Tuner that he "feels comfortable with",,, Make an Appointment, Travel Time, Down Time, etc...etc...

I have personally witnessed an A/C & Pipes only Dyno Tune by a "highly respected" Dyno "guru" (only uses TTS) that had decel pop that sounded like a .22 going off ... when the Customer called him about it (3 States away) he wanted to blame it on gas,,, I was riding with him and filling up from the same pumps, the '09 was running perfect To get his tune "fixed" he had to travel back & forth from 4 States over, for several hours of test rides to try this, try that,,, No Dyno, the "guru"was "busy"...

The time for a "Full Featured" Tuner / Dyno Tune is when Cams, Displacement, Heads, come into the equation... The simpler "Auto Tune" stuff cannot compete at this point,,, there's no getting around it...

There are a lot of Dyno Operators going to Techno Research,,, just as easy (if not easier) to learn / use, more flexibility including Diagnostics and Digital Technician Capabilities... and wait,,,wait for it,,, No "Lockout Feature"

JMHO Your results may vary

[Phreakyz]

Fuelpak FP3

[Rooster]

I have had my bike tuned by a so called Guru four times and STILL have decel pop actually twice while it was a 110 and twice as a 131. Two different gurus. The second time on the 131 the torque and Hp went up and fuel mileage went up by 5. Runs fine but needs fuel adjustment in a couple areas. I have never tried FP3. So still not perfect but have certainly paid for it.

[Cvostu]

Fp3 gas just about anything I need. I can go as fast as I like.  If I want to go faster..... I turn the throttle more. .  It's all about the way you enjoy your ride. I really don't find myself needing all that speed any longer to put a smile on my face.  Getting rid of the decel pop and heat was more important to me at this stage of my life. Stuart.