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HD & Spare Parts availability
« on: March 10, 2008, 01:00:04 PM »

We've all heard that HD does not built parts to be used as spares (my friend was told that on a plant tour) but actually pulls parts off the line.  All of us that have waites 1-3 weeks for a replacement cylinder have been frustrated to say the least.  Having a motor that requires maintenance involving cylinders, gaskets, etc. every 3-5K miles reuires parts that are readily available.
If it's true that parts are pulled from the line, How do they pull a black 110" cylinder off the line when the 2008 cylinders are powdered coated grey metallic?  When they put in an order for parts and specify that the bike is down, you are supposed to get the next one off the line from what I've been told.  Like I said, where do the black powder coated parts come from? , certainly not the production line.  What do they call the parts in those upgrade kits?
The constant repairs would not be so bad if the parts were readily available.
Thoughts?
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 01:07:26 PM »

We've all heard that HD does not built parts to be used as spares (my friend was told that on a plant tour) but actually pulls parts off the line.  All of us that have waites 1-3 weeks for a replacement cylinder have been frustrated to say the least.  Having a motor that requires maintenance involving cylinders, gaskets, etc. every 3-5K miles reuires parts that are readily available.
If it's true that parts are pulled from the line, How do they pull a black 110" cylinder off the line when the 2008 cylinders are powdered coated grey metallic?  When they put in an order for parts and specify that the bike is down, you are supposed to get the next one off the line from what I've been told.  Like I said, where do the black powder coated parts come from? , certainly not the production line.  What do they call the parts in those upgrade kits?
The constant repairs would not be so bad if the parts were readily available.
Thoughts?
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I don't believe the "no spare parts" story. If that were true then you couldn't get parts unless they were still being used on current models.

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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 01:45:40 PM »

I don't believe the "no spare parts" story. If that were true then you couldn't get parts unless they were still being used on current models.

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Yea, if that were the case just imagine the poor soul who still has an Evo and needs motor parts.  Fortunately, that's not entirely true.
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 01:54:29 PM »

i would guess spares are made on some kind of schedule, probally influenced by warehouse levels. they may have some built in rules about part "abc" not being made until parts "def" and "ghi" are also needed because they use the same tooling
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 05:29:25 PM »

Agreed, definitely a stupid statement from the MOCO.
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 05:29:46 PM »

Back in 2003, I had a long talk with one of old friends who has since retired from the MOCO. Neal has it pretty much correct in what he says.

The Parts & Accessories group is a separate Profit & Loss(P&L) and has to forecast, purchase and stock their items under their own plan. For parts related to warranty and service issues, these items came right off the production line, or if there was an excess in the pipeline, they were pulled from there. However, this was rare since MOCO uses what is basically a "Just In Time" method of components management which dictates that only the bare minimum of parts, be kept the absolute minimum of time, to reduce inventory costs. The quantities are tied to the master schedule for manufacturing and any requirements for P&A, warranty, service, etc. are scheduled in this plan and fall behind the normal production of units on the line. If pulled from the line, the appropriate (warranty, service, etc.) profit center is then billed back from manufacturing for the item pulled from the line. Since there are varying levels of revisions at any one time on the lines, it's possible that a mix and match situation can come up because of this system.

In a previous lifetime, I was responsible for setting up and pre-positioning field spare kits to support electronic and electro-mechanical systems worldwide. We actually used the predicted failure rates (MTBF), returns history, location, climates, and fuction of the spare itself to determine the various spares listings, pricing, and packaging requirements. Doesn't look like this is the same approach the MOCO is using.  :nixweiss:
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 05:53:32 PM »

We've all heard that HD does not built parts to be used as spares (my friend was told that on a plant tour) but actually pulls parts off the line.  All of us that have waites 1-3 weeks for a replacement cylinder have been frustrated to say the least.  Having a motor that requires maintenance involving cylinders, gaskets, etc. every 3-5K miles reuires parts that are readily available.
If it's true that parts are pulled from the line, How do they pull a black 110" cylinder off the line when the 2008 cylinders are powdered coated grey metallic?  When they put in an order for parts and specify that the bike is down, you are supposed to get the next one off the line from what I've been told.  Like I said, where do the black powder coated parts come from? , certainly not the production line.  What do they call the parts in those upgrade kits?
The constant repairs would not be so bad if the parts were readily available.
Thoughts?
 :confused5:

No way is that statement true!  I've been in the parts business for over thirty years.  There's no way Harley could support their dealers by pulling all spare parts off the assembly line.  If you think their production is slow now, that business practice would bring it to a screeching halt! 

I'm not saying that HD doesn't pull parts off the Assembly lines for dealers, they do, but only if the part isn't available form their supplier and it's a critical item.

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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 12:58:43 PM »

Perhaps Harley gets it spare parts as needed from the junk yard <grin>
Check this out http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/03/10/copart-gets-torn-apart.aspx
Why would HD sign a contract with a self-service scrap yard? Dump lemons there or get warranty parts?
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2008, 01:04:44 PM »

Prehaps it is just a case of severe cranial rectal inversion
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Re: HD & Spare Parts availability
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2008, 12:33:18 PM »

Need derby cover insert( decal that states CUBIC INCHES) dealer says they have to build it shiip date april 4th, who knows?
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