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[GOMO]

Just a question out of curiousity - since H-D offers the 110 as an upgrade kit in their catalog, have you heard of and/or has anybody here installed it to their 96. If so, have the kits been experiencing the same issues as the CVO 110?

Just wondering

[Hoist!]

Just a question out of curiousity - since H-D offers the 110 as an upgrade kit in their catalog, have you heard of and/or has anybody here installed it to their 96. If so, have the kits been experiencing the same issues as the CVO 110?

Just wondering

Yep and yep, and why would ya bother when you have so many other options for what it takes to build one?

Hoist!

[GOMO]

Yep and yep, and why would ya bother when you have so many other options for what it takes to build one?

Hoist!

I agree, but I imagine that there are plenty of owners out there that would only use H-D parts for their ride. I know of a few of them myself, but none ever decided on doing the 110, probably from my experience. Some have done the 103 upgrade and have had good results but I honestly think that if one did an upgrade to 103 using better proven parts, their outcome would have better numbers.

[Hoist!]

I agree, but I imagine that there are plenty of owners out there that would only use H-D parts for their ride. I know of a few of them myself, but none ever decided on doing the 110, probably from my experience. Some have done the 103 upgrade and have had good results but I honestly think that if one did an upgrade to 103 using better proven parts, their outcome would have better numbers.

You need to take the engine completely apart and bore the cases to build a 110. Why wouldn't you build a 113 if you wanna use HD parts?

Hoist!

[grc]

You need to take the engine completely apart and bore the cases to build a 110. Why wouldn't you build a 113 if you wanna use HD parts?

Hoist!

I'll answer the question, but it doesn't mean I would touch a 110 kit with a 10 foot pole.  The reason folks go with 103 kits or 110 kits (and the 95 kits on the earlier bikes) is that H-D offers them as a street legal and warrantable package.  The do it yourself approach, even the simple 103 by throwing oversize pistons in bored jugs, voids your warranty.  So does the 113 kit from Harley, which is a racing only offering.

Jerry

[Hoist!]

I'll answer the question, but it doesn't mean I would touch a 110 kit with a 10 foot pole.  The reason folks go with 103 kits or 110 kits (and the 95 kits on the earlier bikes) is that H-D offers them as a street legal and warrantable package.  The do it yourself approach, even the simple 103 by throwing oversize pistons in bored jugs, voids your warranty.  So does the 113 kit from Harley, which is a racing only offering.

Jerry

Anybody building you and engine should be giving you some sorta w.....ty! Just about everything we do to these bikes isn't street legal and voids your w.....ty theoretically. But in the real world, if you use a reputable engine builder for your work, dealer or otherwise, you'll get a w....ty with it. A w.....ty is only as good as the people that administer it anyway!!! I'd take my chances outside HD's w.....ty any day of the week! Especially on the 110. That's an exercise in futility! FTW!!!

Hoist!

[bigdave110]

I agree, but I imagine that there are plenty of owners out there that would only use H-D parts for their ride. I know of a few of them myself, but none ever decided on doing the 110, probably from my experience. Some have done the 103 upgrade and have had good results but I honestly think that if one did an upgrade to 103 using better proven parts, their outcome would have better numbers.

Why in the hake would you, or any one else insist on Harley parts.
When there are many better brands out there,  S&S for one.
Just because it says Harley on it does not mean it is a magic part, IMHO it means just the opposite.   
The money you will spend building a motor with Harley only parts will be twice that of a better name, and not near as strong.
Not to mention, you want to hot rod a motor with a chitty crank, bearing, oil pump, should I keep going.
Howie is right about 1 thing for sure, if you are going bigger, go 113, requires the same work be done, cost is about the same, power will be better.
That is until the bottom end blows out from under neath you.
Should be a fun ride til then.
Not trying to be a dk, just letting you know what you may be getting in to. 
Take care, good luck with what ever you do.
Dave

[Hoist!]

Why in the hake would you, or any one else insist on Harley parts.
When there are many better brands out there,  S&S for one.
Just because it says Harley on it does not mean it is a magic part, IMHO it means just the opposite.   
The money you will spend building a motor with Harley only parts will be twice that of a better name, and not near as strong.
Not to mention, you want to hot rod a motor with a chitty crank, bearing, oil pump, should I keep going.
Howie is right about 1 thing for sure, if you are going bigger, go 113, requires the same work be done, cost is about the same, power will be better.
That is until the bottom end blows out from under neath you.
Should be a fun ride til then.
Not trying to be a dk, just letting you know what you may be getting in to. 
Take care, good luck with what ever you do.
Dave

HeHe!!! Fully agree Dave. I'd do te HD 113 before I ever gave the HD 110 a passing thought. But I'd use my cases and build an S&S motor with them, were I starting everything from scratch! And believe me, I know very well the "going down the path of upgrading top end alone with a dealer routine"!!! Just start from scratch, build an S&S motor complete including new crank and Timken conversion, or throw a Jims motor in! To me, those are the only 2 real options. And I'd rather have the S&S than the Jim's too!

Hoist!

[grc]

Anybody building you and engine should be giving you some sorta w.....ty! Just about everything we do to these bikes isn't street legal and voids your w.....ty theoretically. But in the real world, if you use a reputable engine builder for your work, dealer or otherwise, you'll get a w....ty with it. A w.....ty is only as good as the people that administer it anyway!!! I'd take my chances outside HD's w.....ty any day of the week! Especially on the 110. That's an exercise in futility! FTW!!!

Hoist!

I didn't say I agreed Howie, I just pointed out the way it really is out there.  Most folks don't know diddly about building an engine, don't know any reputable engine builders, and fall for the easy approach offered by the MoCo.  Do you have any idea how much money the MoCo and the dealers made between 1999 and 2007 just on 95" kits?  And the whole thing was BS, new jugs when all you needed to do was bore the originals and install the pistons of your choice for less money.  The new 103 kit is the same situation.

Considering all the complaints I've read around here on various aftermarket products and services, I don't think the so-called warranty you get with most aftermarket companies is any more compelling than the one you get from the MoCo.  And getting the repairs handled could get a little tricky if the custom engine builder you used is 1000 miles away.  Sure, I could crate up my engine and ship it off to one of the nationally known places (none of which is anywhere close to where I live, btw), and if it blows up a few thousand miles later I get to pull it all out, crate it back up, and ship it back for warranty consideration.  The average owner isn't ready to deal with all of that, and that's another reason why they just buy the kits from the MoCo.  They are being screwed when you consider how little they actually get for the price, but they think that MoCo warranty security blanket makes it worth it.  

I would personally prefer to buy a motorcycle that doesn't require $10k infusions of cash for aftermarket parts and labor to make it perform as well as the competition and be as reliable as the competition.  Let me know when the MoCo decides to provide a machine that meets my requirements, and as long as Wall Street and Uncle Sam haven't totally destroyed my net worth I will consider a purchase.  In the meantime, they can keep their stock crap and their CVO crap and their accessory kit crap.

Jerry

[Hoist!]

I didn't say I agreed Howie, I just pointed out the way it really is out there.  Most folks don't know diddly about building an engine, don't know any reputable engine builders, and fall for the easy approach offered by the MoCo.  Do you have any idea how much money the MoCo and the dealers made between 1999 and 2007 just on 95" kits?  And the whole thing was BS, new jugs when all you needed to do was bore the originals and install the pistons of your choice for less money.  The new 103 kit is the same situation.

Considering all the complaints I've read around here on various aftermarket products and services, I don't think the so-called warranty you get with most aftermarket companies is any more compelling than the one you get from the MoCo.  And getting the repairs handled could get a little tricky if the custom engine builder you used is 1000 miles away.  Sure, I could crate up my engine and ship it off to one of the nationally known places (none of which is anywhere close to where I live, btw), and if it blows up a few thousand miles later I get to pull it all out, crate it back up, and ship it back for warranty consideration.  The average owner isn't ready to deal with all of that, and that's another reason why they just buy the kits from the MoCo.  They are being screwed when you consider how little they actually get for the price, but they think that MoCo warranty security blanket makes it worth it.  

I would personally prefer to buy a motorcycle that doesn't require $10k infusions of cash for aftermarket parts and labor to make it perform as well as the competition and be as reliable as the competition.  Let me know when the MoCo decides to provide a machine that meets my requirements, and as long as Wall Street and Uncle Sam haven't totally destroyed my net worth I will consider a purchase.  In the meantime, they can keep their stock crap and their CVO crap and their accessory kit crap.

Jerry

HeHe!!! That's the Jerry we know and love!!!

Hoist!

[chaos901]

To answer your original question.  I have a friend that upgraded his 96 to a 110 prior to taking delivery.  Has about 20K miles on an 08, has been in the shop several times and is leaking right now waiting to be fixed again.

[OILCAN1]

I have an 07 ultra classic. I bought it as a dealer demo bike. It has a dealer installed 110 in it. I bought it with 6000 miles on it it now has 28000 on it. It has had one set of head gaskets at 17000. I would agree with every one else do a 103 or a 113. If you insist on a 110 I would not buy the street legal version I would get the SE Pro Race Kit in the 09 parts catalouge come complete with TB, Sert, bigger injectors, the whole shooting match.

[brwk]

Guess I'm the odd ball.
This is my second catolog upgrade.  First one was the 103 upgrade on my 04 FLHTCUI and I rode it for 75K miles.  I changed to duals, V&H, even changed the cams later.  The little warranty work was always approved.
Now I have the 110 upgrade on my 08 FLHTCUI.  Presently 10K miles and the "recall" work performed at 5K however it never showed signs of any issues.  I usually screw up when I do additional upgrades so this time I will only change the pipes for more sound. 

[skyhook]

problem with screamin' eagle builds is that so few of them can be just bolted together and make good power...bear with me this may be a long post...

they all come with the wrong head gaskets

EXCEPTION:   103 stage 2...stock heads, 103 pistons and cylinders, 255 cams...works great assuming oil cooler and good tuning

htcc heads:  require a lot of machining to set the quench, cnc ported have huge valves and ports that make for weak lowrange torque, expensive...non cnc ported are actually pretty good with a little cleanup and quench machining, but then again, why pay so much for heads and have to pay someone else to fix them?

103+ heads are similar to cvo 103 heads, outdated no-quench hemi, yet somehow we've seen a few good charts of these heads on 113 motors

mcr/performance heads are a fair value, have the good bathtub chambers but are as-cast, need cleanup, sometimes port-to-valve seat transition is ugly, ports need a little reshaping for optimal performance, again why buy and then pay again for cleanup?

acr, cvo110, 110+, mva are similar, modified bathtub, need more quench, ports and valves too big for good lowrange tq, some of these are very expensive, might work well on 117, 120, 124, 127, 131 but who wants to be the guinea pig?

verdict: choose a good head porter and have your stock heads rubbed

now for some pure bench racing:  frankenstein build form s.e. catalog...113 bigger bore cylinders and flattop +.005 pistons(from h-q)...mcr heads (cleaned up)...se258 cams, se 58mm two-piece t/body...se injectors...d&d boarzilla exhaust, tuning device of your preference