The PRO PAD brand gel doesn't suck at all, I have over 60,000 miles on them in two seats and two different bikes. They do not absorb heat, they do not move around, they do absorb vibration and do cut down on Hot spots. Any pad that moves is due to the installer, not the pad. If installed correctly you should never feel the pad, it should sit no different than foam, basically you should never know it is in there by feel. It just does not compress as foam does and will not absorb moisture/heat etc. I think most people expect the gel to be some major voodoo deal, they are just a more modern version of foam, they mold to you and work with the foam in the seat to make you more comfortable. Not sure how anyone could not like correctly installed gel. It works, you just have to know its makeup and understand its use.