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Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« on: June 18, 2010, 03:23:21 PM »

I am sure this is all marketing (i.e. away to charge more) but, from what I understand, the Red Line V-Twin 20w50 is the same as the Motorcycle 20w50.  Is this correct?

I called a local shop (works on NAH's (not-a-harley) vs. AH (a-harley)) and the pricing for a quart of the Motorcycle 20w50 is $10/each or $9/each when purchasing a case.  The lowest price for the V-Twin 20w50 I have found is $12 or so.

With the cost difference I would rather go with the Motorcycle 20w50.
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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 04:18:56 PM »

V Twin is full synthetic.
I use V Twin 20W60.

$131.40 a case of 12 qts, shipped free

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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 05:19:56 PM »


There are two 20W50 oils on the Redline site, the regular 20W50 automotive oil, and the Motorcycle 20W50 for V-Twins.  As you noted, the price is $3 higher for the motorcycle oil.  While part of that is no doubt just extra profit, there is a definite difference in the application (water cooled automotive type engine, versus air cooled V-Twin engine).  You'll find similar pricing differences in the other oil companies products, btw.  Compare 15W50 Mobil 1 for instance to the 20W50 V-Twin product.

I think you will find, assuming you can dig up an analysis of the actual oils, that the differences are in the additive packages.  Can I state for certain that the differences are major enough to make it worth the extra cost?  Nope.

When Redline found that they had a rapidly growing market for their Shockproof Heavy gear oil and their MTL gear oil due to Harley riders, they came out with "new" products called V-Twin Transmission Oil with Shockproof and V-Twin Primary Oil.  They were priced $3 higher than the old standby's, which was noted by many including your's truly and commented on widely in the forums.  Eventually Redline admitted it was the exact same fluid, and they equalized the price.  Unfortunately, they raised the price of the old products, rather than lower the price of the V-Twin versions.  In those cases they admit the products are identical.  There is no such admission in the case of the motor oil.


To sum it all up, I can't state for a fact that the Motorcycle 20W50 is or isn't "better" in your Harley than the regular 20W50.  I guess if we have an enterprising individual with deep pockets they could submit a sample of each to an oil testing lab and see what they say. :nixweiss:


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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 10:04:11 PM »

'In those cases they admit the products are identical.  There is no such admission in the case of the motor oil."

"To sum it all up, I can't state for a fact that the Motorcycle 20W50 is or isn't "better" in your Harley than the regular 20W50.  I guess if we have an enterprising individual with deep pockets they could submit a sample of each to an oil testing lab and see what they say. "
jerry,
Is there a point here?

V Twin is clearly labeled synthetic, where did you see Redline labeled "Motorcycle 20W50"
I see "Motor Oil 20W50" not labeled "synthetic" or "Motorcycle"
Did I miss something?
Are you saying regular oil and synthetic oil are the same?

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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 10:24:13 PM »


V Twin is clearly labeled synthetic, where did you see Redline labeled "Motorcycle 20W50"
I see "Motor Oil 20W50" not labeled "synthetic" or "Motorcycle"
Did I miss something?


I use Redline Synthetic Motorcycle Oil - 20W60 in the Motor, V Twin Transmission Oil with Shockproof in the Tranny, and V Twin Primary case oil in the Primary...all synthetics...   see links...

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/RedLineMotorcycleOil20W60HD/Motorcycle_Oils

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/category/Red_Line_Motorcycle_Oils
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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 07:25:20 AM »

All Redline oils are Fully-synthetic ester based.
Here is the specs on the Auto 20w50
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=8&pcid=21
Here are specs for the motorcycle 20w50
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=110&pcid=21
They are very, very close but not the same.
Either one will serve you just fine.
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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2010, 09:22:22 AM »

Thanks for the replies.

After reviewing the posts, I realized that I was confusing the V-Twin primary oil with their Motorcycle 20w50 oil.  For some reason, I was thinking they had a "V-Twin" motor oil.  :oops:  :nixweiss:

I went to the garage and checked the oil from a power pak I bought and it was labeled Motorcycle 20w50 (part #42504).
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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2010, 04:38:34 PM »


Is there a point here?

V Twin is clearly labeled synthetic, where did you see Redline labeled "Motorcycle 20W50"
I see "Motor Oil 20W50" not labeled "synthetic" or "Motorcycle"
Did I miss something?
Are you saying regular oil and synthetic oil are the same?


Al

Sorry if I was confusing Al.  First, when I say "regular" oil, I don't mean dino oil.  All Redline products are full synthetics, and I just assumed folks knew that.  The "regular" oil is the stuff they call 20W50 Motor Oil, as opposed to the "special" 20W50 Motorcycle Oil. 

There is no motor oil product on the Redline site labeled "V-Twin".  The name of the product is 20W50 Motorcycle Oil.  The other 20W50 is just called 20W50 Motor Oil.  Go to www.redlineoil.com and click on Products, then click on Motor Oils, and you'll get a list of their products.  Click on each one and you'll get a description of each.


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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 06:58:05 AM »

We use Red Line driveline lubricants here.
A lot of Spectro, or Torco in the crankcase.
Works well. :)
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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2010, 08:33:36 AM »

Sorry if I was confusing Al.  First, when I say "regular" oil, I don't mean dino oil.  All Redline products are full synthetics, and I just assumed folks knew that.  The "regular" oil is the stuff they call 20W50 Motor Oil, as opposed to the "special" 20W50 Motorcycle Oil. 

There is no motor oil product on the Redline site labeled "V-Twin".  The name of the product is 20W50 Motorcycle Oil.  The other 20W50 is just called 20W50 Motor Oil.  Go to www.redlineoil.com and click on Products, then click on Motor Oils, and you'll get a list of their products.  Click on each one and you'll get a description of each.


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Thanks Jerry,

I stand corrected, I also assumed 20W60 was labeled VTwin.

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Re: Red Line V-Twin 20w50 vs. Motorcycle 20w50
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2010, 08:35:54 AM »

Thanks Jerry,

I stand corrected, I also assumed 20W60 was labeled VTwin.

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I'll stay with the motorcycle oil, $9 difference every 5000 miles.

I'll sacrifice somewhere else :nixweiss:

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