Topic: RE ticking lifters cvo110 oil weight ? (Read 9577 times)

Big C. · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:17:34 PM »

Quote from: Big C. on July 03, 2011, 10:51:56 AM

Try straight 50 wt. It will help a little but not a cure all.

Never did I claim this was a Magic solution nor anything else!!!!!!!!!!!! The topic is" Re: RE ticking lifters cvo110 oil weight ?" I'm sorry I was just trying To offer my experience having switched to a straight 50W oil. With my 09 110 the valve train runs a little quieter with 50W than 20-50W. These results maybe isolated to just my bike who knows but it did make a small difference.
Cory

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2011, 07:52:36 PM »

Of course it will run a little bit quieter, if viscosity and valvetrain clearance is the issue. The data sheet for the oil will tell you that

Texas 103 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2011, 10:12:09 PM »

Quote from: Dr.D on July 05, 2011, 05:44:02 PM

I doubt that heavier oil weight is any magic solution. I understand your concern but advise not to panic or get to paranoid. It is a four year old bike and not the best of years but that's what you got so relax and enjoy what you can.

I have ticking lifters in a big bore 103 kit in a 09 Road King and they have been making that noise for 20 000 miles now with no ill effects except fear on my part. I also have a Ford F250 with the 6.0 L diesel that have gone bad all over the place but not mine, yet.

Put a set of SE adj push rods in it. stroker motors tend to grow a little more because of the heat and if the lifters are almost at top of their travel they will rattle more after it's hot. Didn't take it all out of mine, sure helped . Greg

Dr.D · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2011, 01:19:46 PM »

Quote from: Texas 103 on July 05, 2011, 10:12:09 PM

Put a set of SE adj push rods in it. stroker motors tend to grow a little more because of the heat and if the lifters are almost at top of their travel they will rattle more after it's hot. Didn't take it all out of mine, sure helped . Greg

Yeh the dealer did put the perfect fit push rods in mine saying they prefferd them. oh well

Big C I was meaning no aggression with the magic solution comment, hell I'm always looking for the magic everything.

Big C. · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2011, 11:08:45 PM »

No prob, none taken.

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2011, 07:31:45 AM »

The OP could certainly have his local trusted shop(dealer MAY fall into that category) and have a nice set of S&S pushrods installed, with lifters loaded at .140-.150", along with an oil change to a top quality 50W motorcycle oil.
Bet dollars to donuts that his noise will dissappear.

Scott

hogasm · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2011, 09:32:33 AM »

Quote from: Dr.D on July 05, 2011, 05:44:02 PM

I doubt that heavier oil weight is any magic solution. I understand your concern but advise not to panic or get to paranoid. It is a four year old bike and not the best of years but that's what you got so relax and enjoy what you can.

I have ticking lifters in a big bore 103 kit in a 09 Road King and they have been making that noise for 20 000 miles now with no ill effects except fear on my part. I also have a Ford F250 with the 6.0 L diesel that have gone bad all over the place but not mine, yet.

Problems with the 6.0l are not oil related but coolant flow

Coolant is a silica based fluid that when boiled leaves behind a solid byproduct that clogs the cooler where the EGR gases that are not cooled allow a sweated tube to become unsoldered allowing hot exhaust gasses to enter the cooling system.....causing blown head gaskets.....in layman's terms

LRebel · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2011, 11:15:21 AM »

My 08 has had a top-end rattle for 20k miles. The rattle is loudest between 2400 - 2800 rpm, or pretty much right at cruising speed. Dealer said it's normal.... so it must be true

The bike runs good and doesn't use any oil. I've thought about selling the bike, but I still have a year of warranty. I may hang on to it for another year

I would like to buy a new bike, but I don't think I am interested in spending the big bucks for another 110.

May try a set of the adjustable push rods. What's the best brand out there?

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:49:03 PM »

We use nothing but S&S here, unless upon customer request.

Scott

LRebel · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2011, 04:20:10 PM »

Quote from: Hillsidecycle.com on July 07, 2011, 02:49:03 PM

We use nothing but S&S here, unless upon customer request.
Scott

Thanks

willyB · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:53:44 PM »

I have a 2011 CVO Street Glide. Bike runs great but I to have the ticking. Typically it sounds like the "normal" HD rattle but with a minimal load running down the road at 2400-2600 RPM the ticking becomes more of a knocking. Not too bad though.

Bikes only got a little over 4000 miles on it. I just try to ride/cruise in a RPM zone that takes the knock away. Really doesn't take more than 100 rpm to make is go away. Plus cruising with minimal load at 2400 to 2600 rpm seems a little revy to me anyway. I hear people all the time mentioning their "sweet spot" of their HD. Mine seems to like 2300 or below and 2700 and above. On the open highway 2800 rpm is magical.

Regarding the S & S comment. I had an '03 Deuce with around 36000 miles on it. I had the standard HD rattle until I installed a set of S & S 510 gear driven cams and a set of S & S adjustable pushrods.

Keep us updated on "The Ticking".

cahdbiker · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2011, 04:26:02 AM »

Scott, I have posted about the lifter noise in my 09 SEUC between about 2200-2800 in the past and got a lot of good advice from the site. I asked my parts guy at the local HD dealer and he said that S&S lifters and HD tapered push rods will quiet it down based on customers who have done this at his shop. I know that one of the guys on the site installed screamin eagle lifters and used his stock pushrods with good results also. Any comments? Thanks CAHDBIKER

Quote from: Hillsidecycle.com on July 07, 2011, 07:31:45 AM

The OP could certainly have his local trusted shop(dealer MAY fall into that category) and have a nice set of S&S pushrods installed, with lifters loaded at .140-.150", along with an oil change to a top quality 50W motorcycle oil.
Bet dollars to donuts that his noise will dissappear.
Scott

HILLSIDECYCLE.COM · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2011, 06:48:18 AM »

It is not the pushrod doing it, but rather the correct pre-load on the lifter, in order to maintain "0" lash in the rocker arm cup, at full operating temps.
We have narrowed this up to loading the lifter to .140-.150", with an adjustable pushrod.
S&S is just the trusted brand we have used for many years.
George Smith Sr., began manufacturing adjustable pushrods in 1958.

Scott

harleyguynv · « **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2011, 09:34:02 AM »

Quote from: Hillsidecycle.com on July 08, 2011, 06:48:18 AM

It is not the pushrod doing it, but rather the correct pre-load on the lifter, in order to maintain "0" lash in the rocker arm cup, at full operating temps.
We have narrowed this up to loading the lifter to .140-.150", with an adjustable pushrod.
S&S is just the trusted brand we have used for many years.
George Smith Sr., began manufacturing adjustable pushrods in 1958.
Scott

Great info Scott... Can you tell me how many turns for the SE tapered adj. rods to get to .140-.150 for a SE 110 engine? Does it matter what engine you have to reach that load? I know it varies depending on which adj. pushrod you use.

grc · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2011, 01:50:03 PM »

Quote from: harleyguynv on July 08, 2011, 09:34:02 AM

Great info Scott... Can you tell me how many turns for the SE tapered adj. rods to get to .140-.150 for a SE 110 engine? Does it matter what engine you have to reach that load? I know it varies depending on which adj. pushrod you use.

The SE tapered pushrods have 24 threads per inch. The standard adjustment, which is designed to center the lifter piston in it's .200 inch available travel, is 2.5 turns (.104"). If you use 3.5 turns, that would result in .146", which is right in the middle of the range Scott recommended. If you use different rods with a different number of threads per inch, simply divide 1 by the number of threads per inch to determine how far the rod will extend per full revolution of the adjuster.

1 / 24 tpi = .0417" per revolution, or .007" per flat on the hex head adjuster.
.150 / .0417 = 3.6 turns
.140 / .0417 = 3.36 turns

Jerry

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