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[bhtko]

I chose the Drago's S/C/S-4 for my bike several months ago. I am very pleased with this pipe, and everyone I ride with loves the sound - it has a nice deep rumble with NO tinniness, and it really barks when I get on it. Throttle blipps sound pretty awesome, too. It is loud, but probably not quite as loud as the D&D Fat Cats. It is also considerably less expensive than other 2-1 pipes, and it has a left-side ghost pipe available, which I got. I got the slant-cut tips that fit perfectly in line with the line of the extended saddlebags. You can see where I start discussing the Drago's S/C/S-4 in my mods thread here:  http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=66236.270

I went with the S/C/S-4 rather than the Dragula because it has straight headers vs. the stepped headers on the Dragula. Frank told me that the S/C/S-4 is a little better for low-end torque than the Dragula, and was engineered for heavy baggers. It also has a different collector than the Dragula, that is designed for low- and mid-range torque rather than high-end HP. The Dragula is suitable for really built, high-HP engines - whereas the S/C/S-4 is more suitable for stock or mildly-modded engines like mine.

One thing I had to do when I went to the S/C/S-4 was to change out my Andrews 54H cams to SE 259e cams. The 238/238 duration of the 54H cams ran great with the Fullsac X-Pipe and Fullsac 2" baffles I had on the bike previously - but they just could not feed the S/C/S-4 pipe sufficiently. The much-longer 246/250 duration of the SE 259e cams make for a much happier match with this big 2-1 pipe. The big dips in the VE tables are much less with the SE 259e cams than they were with the 54H cams, and performance is much better. 2-1 pipes have dips in the VE tables that 2-1-2 pipes simply do not... this makes tuning with a 2-1 pipe more involved than with a 2-1-2 pipe. Working with the EGR tables to get the VE table numbers up in the low RPM ranges will help a lot.

I am very pleased with the fit, finish, and performance of the Drago's S/C/S-4 on my bike. Drago's pipes are manufactured by Rush, and they are ceramic coated inside and out.

Thanks for the info.  I already have S&S 570 cams, a CP .010 Piston Kit, ported heads and a hi-volume oil pump in my bike.  The bike pulls like a fiend in the mid-range and I am going to a 2:1 pipe to get increased performance on the low end.  High end hp is not my number one priority.

You menitoned that Drago's pipes are manufacturerd by Rush.  Is there a difference between their pipes and the pipe systems that Rush sells??

[North Georgia Hawg]

Thanks for the info.  I already have S&S 570 cams, a CP .010 Piston Kit, ported heads and a hi-volume oil pump in my bike.  The bike pulls like a fiend in the mid-range and I am going to a 2:1 pipe to get increased performance on the low end.  High end hp is not my number one priority.

You menitoned that Drago's pipes are manufacturerd by Rush.  Is there a difference between their pipes and the pipe systems that Rush sells??

Yes. Drago's pips are their own design, and are manufactured under contract by Rush. The Rush pipes are a different design. You would need to contact Frank at Drago's for details on that. I don't want to even try to speak for Drago's! Frank is a great guy who really knows his stuff. They build 200 HP blower motors!

[lilcoot]

I have the Bassani B4 2-1, and am very happy with it.  It's similar to NGH's Drago, in that it has a stepped headers that work better for mild builds, and is made for better low end torque.  Bassani also has the B1 exhaust, which has more radically stepped headers for bigger/highly modified motors.  More high end power, but less low end torque than the B4.  Bassani sells a left sided pseudo pipe that I just recently installed, so I don't have any pics yet with the pseudo pipe installed.  The B1 and B4 look identical.  The muffler end caps are black with contrast cut.  Nice...

As far as sound, I've ridden in groups with D&Ds and Thunderheaders, and they are much louder than mine, and more "blatty".  My Bassanis sound deeper, too, which I really like.  The only other pipes I have compared side by side are the Fullsac 2-1-2s.  The Bassanis are a lot louder and a little deeper.  At full throttle, the Bassanis are louder than I'd like personally, but are not bad at all cruising.

Bassani is a well established exhaust maker, and the quality has been excellent so far.

The looks are unique.  I think they're the best looking 2-1, hands down.  Just IMHO.  Most 2-1s are straight through from the floorboard to the collector.  The Bassanis have a couple more curves that follow the lines of the motor, kind of framing the transmission housing.  Sexy.

Whatever exhaust you choose, make sure you have access to oil and tranny fluid caps!  I've read about people changing exhausts because they couldn't get to their dipstick.  The Bassanis leave good access to oil/tranny holes.

Personally, I think all these exhausts are within a few ft/lbs and HP of each other, performance wise.  It depends on the look and sound you want.

Good luck, hope you find what you are looking for!

Dan

I'll try to attach some pics:

[lilcoot]

Another photo of Bassani B4s

[lilcoot]

One more

[bhtko]

I have the Bassani B4 2-1, and am very happy with it.  It's similar to NGH's Drago, in that it has a stepped headers that work better for mild builds, and is made for better low end torque.  Bassani also has the B1 exhaust, which has more radically stepped headers for bigger/highly modified motors.  More high end power, but less low end torque than the B4.  Bassani sells a left sided pseudo pipe that I just recently installed, so I don't have any pics yet with the pseudo pipe installed.  The B1 and B4 look identical.  The muffler end caps are black with contrast cut.  Nice...

As far as sound, I've ridden in groups with D&Ds and Thunderheaders, and they are much louder than mine, and more "blatty".  My Bassanis sound deeper, too, which I really like.  The only other pipes I have compared side by side are the Fullsac 2-1-2s.  The Bassanis are a lot louder and a little deeper.  At full throttle, the Bassanis are louder than I'd like personally, but are not bad at all cruising.

Bassani is a well established exhaust maker, and the quality has been excellent so far.

The looks are unique.  I think they're the best looking 2-1, hands down.  Just IMHO.  Most 2-1s are straight through from the floorboard to the collector.  The Bassanis have a couple more curves that follow the lines of the motor, kind of framing the transmission housing.  Sexy.

Whatever exhaust you choose, make sure you have access to oil and tranny fluid caps!  I've read about people changing exhausts because they couldn't get to their dipstick.  The Bassanis leave good access to oil/tranny holes.

Personally, I think all these exhausts are within a few ft/lbs and HP of each other, performance wise.  It depends on the look and sound you want.

Good luck, hope you find what you are looking for!

Dan

I'll try to attach some pics:

Thank you for the info and the pictures.  Are the Bassani exhausts ceramic coated inside and out?

[DRAGO B W]

With the new Baggers we do not change our design around the swing arm No bends no loss of power.
All Dragulas Come with Cermaic coating inside and out 4mls.. 18mm and 12mm are std, So your tuning guy will love that with new bikes he can plug his 18mm 02 into the pipe for AFR. Will your still using your 12mm on the new bikes with a falsh tuner.

Here is our web site and dont for get we give 10% to cvo members when you call and tell us....


http://dragosbikeworks.com/dragula_21_exhaust

And under Vendor listings I posted a dyno sheet with the Dragula on a stock cvo with SEPRO tuner 2.55 baffle.

[2006ULTRA]

I wish I would have known about the 10% when I ordered my Dragula.

I have had both D&D FatCat and I now have the Dragula.  I like the pipe a lot.  The placement of the rear head pipe on the Dragula is pretty much the same as the D&D.  If you are short legged you need to pay attention when you put you right foot down, at least I do.  I'm 5'10 so I don't have the longest legs.

My opinion is the Dragula sounds better.  It has more of a Harley sound to it than the D&D.  The D&D is more tinty if you know what I mean.  That's why I wanted to change pipes this time.  I was tired of the sound of the D&D.  At that time the D&D was the best performer so that's why I chose it for my 98" build.

If you are wanting a ghost pipe with a Dragula you better check with Frank.  He has a new design coming out (for the ghost pipe) and I have been waiting for several months to get mine.  If I didn't like the pipe so much I would of sold it and moved on to something else so I could have the ghost pipe.  I have a 2011 SESG so it looks funny the way it is now with one empty hole in the rear.

For the money you can't beat Frank's pipes.  Just wish he would get the ghost pipes done.

[CowboyBagger]

I put the Drago S/C/S 4 2 into 1 pipe on in May.  I also put on the ghost pipe at the same time.  Frank Drago does a great job and is very knowledgeable.  Have they or are they in the process of changing the ghost pipe?

The set up sounds real good and the bike runs great.  At the time, Frank recommended the Thundermax Auto Tuner which I installed with his map.  The bike runs really strong and I have never had it on the dyno.  My only complaint is that the Thundermax could be a little better at idle.

[SDCVO]

Just an FYI, I have never noticed excessive heat from the Fatcats..

[2006ULTRA]

I put the Drago S/C/S 4 2 into 1 pipe on in May.  I also put on the ghost pipe at the same time.  Frank Drago does a great job and is very knowledgeable.  Have they or are they in the process of changing the ghost pipe?

The set up sounds real good and the bike runs great.  At the time, Frank recommended the Thundermax Auto Tuner which I installed with his map.  The bike runs really strong and I have never had it on the dyno.  My only complaint is that the Thundermax could be a little better at idle.

Yes they are changing the ghost pipe.  Something to do with the front mount.  Gives more clearance for lowering the bike.

I also have the TMax.  Have you ran an automap to see how you bike is tuning?  You can also let the bike idle and record it from a laptop then send it to Thundermax and they can make changes to help with your problem.  Just a thought.

[Rooster]

Just an FYI, I have never noticed excessive heat from the Fatcats..

If you are short on legs, the inside of your right knee is very close to the bend in the pipe of the rear cylinder which is where the hot spot is. I have a few pairs of jeans with a burn spot because of this. Mine is a Boarzilla but still about the same. I just try to keep my right leg out of the way to get around this. This is only while sitting at stop lights the rest of the time no issue. And I do love this pipe.

[Gearheadfmc]

Well..... just to stir the pot......


I recently put on the RB Racing "ProStock- Spyder" on my CVO-SE6 and it is KILLER.  I still need to update the tune, but for just slapping it on -- as compared to the V&H HI-Output with V&H Header -- there is no low end slop, bog, shortfall and the upper end screams.  SOP is much better than the VH option.

No Ghost pipe.... but who cares when I can smoke the tire!

I did have a D&D on my previous bike (2 yrs ago) and also loved that pipe.

I am sold on the RB pipe and the guy (who everyone complains about) is eccentric but knowledgeable and the workmanship is excellent.

For whatever it is worth ...

Gearheadfmc

[ob1]

Never had any heat issues on my Fat Cat's...love the unique sound, especially when you roll it...